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Eku iyanju lori ero ikanni yi,

Bi o tile ti je wipe nko kundun lati maa wo sinima tobe ju bee lo, mo se sadankata fun ise opolo ti e lo lati fi ewa ede agbede-gbeyo gbe erongba yin lori sinima yin kale lati fi ise opolo ti e ti se naa han fun mutumuwa. O dara lati ni asiko fun idaraya ati ituraka pelu awon ebi laarin kan tabi omiran, Nitori naa, mo gb'osuba fun yin.

Igbagbo mi ni wipe bi aba ns'akitiyan lori sinima pelu ewa ede wa, ko nii rorubn ki ise ati asa wa pare leyinwa ola. Eleyi a je "moriwu" fun awon ti won nfe ki asa ati ise wa ni idagbasoke ni sanmoni taa wa bayi.

Lai dena penu, emi naa yoo nife si sinima naa lati wo, bolouwa bafe.

Eseun l'opolopo.

Being black is natural, but becoming black is a different 'issue'. I am not a subject of my skin pigment, I am a mankind.

I do not have reservation for being black, nor do I have anything against being called a black man or African man or man.

Perfect world is just an ideal, it does not exist. Also, people who look down on others have inferiority complex too, you know?

First, they are worthless in their own race and it feels good to come across someone they can call "worthless" as a worthless souls.

Meanwhile, some people always want to blame their failure in life on "the boogeyman" that is white or witch so they might appear blameless.
Albeit, nobody stops anybody from being great be it people of colour or Caucasian or a man from the east and the aborigines of this world.

The stereotypes that people carry about limit them to their shells and hamlets.

The black is blessed beyond the curse of religious propaganda of their exploiters these days.

But that does not guarantee that you will find yourself among top echelon of the society if you don't try.

The world stand aside for the man who know his path to pass.

Race is not the issue, who you are is the issue.

yes that true.

Fulaman198: Bigotry won't be accepted on this forum. If you guys have negative things to say about the Igbo people, you risk being banned by me.

Please don't violate the following rules:

2. Don't abuse, bully, deliberately insult/provoke, fight, or wish harm to any Nairaland member.
3. Don't advocate or encourage violent actions against any person, tribe, race, animals, or group of people.

Thank you and have a nice day

The Igbos always attract attention from their "admirers"?

#Nigeriagosurvive.

Happy Igbo anniversary here on this thread ooo, it is the Igbo day on nairaland, We left the Igbos out and they make a thread of their own and it was a sellout. But we should let the Igbos be for God sake, why persecuting one another since forever to forever in this country?

the storm is over now.

amor4ce: Ashe.

But do you have any disagreement with any part of it?

No broda, I'm not better than you on this and should we disagree, we wont learn anything. It would be rants all over. I'm talking from experience.
But for peer review, I can't conceal what will be useful to all of us that I think I know, that oblige me to share.

The Ifa quote
Brother, I am happy that you have step up in this respect and ready to speak in the words of the ancestors themselves more than you will speak from your own concepts, its good that way, so we do not bend issues to our diverse opinions and lose focus.

However, the Ifa verse you quoted was succinct, but my reservation is that this verse is not "Oju Odu" but "Omo Odu" or "Amulu Odu". This happens when one Ifa verse combines with another Ifa verse and a new offspring verse emerge.

Oju Odu are the main entry in Ifa, numbering sixteen. And these are called omo Oloja merindinlogun. But when two odu combines and form covalent bonding, you have amulu-odu. To me, such is somewhat distance from Oju Odu, it is like feedback *(ayinipada) to the main Odu designated as "Oju Odu".

Oyeku-se is an instance of amulu Odu, which is created when Oyeku bonds with Ose. Oyeku is about salvage or salvation, or saving someone from death, while Ose is from the inception. Now as omo Odu, it is second level Ifa verse, you must look for the primal verse. Oju Odu.

Then this can be reviewed as the closest to what the ancestors may have uphold in their time as to life and death. Now do you see that for classification, what has to do with death was classified under a fitting title? I think that is awesome.

For all that has shared, its a good attempt from us all anyway.

Good evening.

thus far we have come as a people, there is no place like home, sweet home. I love the beauty of our languages and the wisdom of our fathers in their proverbs and mantra. May the lord God cause his face to shine on his people and restore the country to her path of greatness. God bless the makers of this wonderful thread and the great people of this country.

This is my home.
My place of delight.

Fulaman198: Thank you brother remain blessed as well.

welcome my brother.

Fulaman198: In Fulfulde language (Fulani language) God is 'Geno'

That sound so beautiful pal. Another awesome and divine name to my collection of ethnic vocab.

God bless the great fulani people
God bless our native Africa.
Cheers.

tpia1: You invited him to shrine, seems you are not sure exactly where you want to go?

My answer is not enough for you? Keep to the usual hunts.

@tpia, church, but fulaman is self-confessed 'unreadable man' and going by his pro-culture-carnival sentiments, will ask him to enjoy his 'safari', but it is the mandate of a christian to politely invite a neighbour to Christ.

adebayor1490: Obasi, Chineke, Olorun, Osanobua... et al. Most of this name start with 'O'

Yes beloved, we are one people under God. Language is manmade, and so is culture. But God is constance, caring for mankind and hordes of His creations.

I'm a christian and its Sunday. Glory be to the Lord God in the Highest, Olodumare. Thats one of the names of the Creator with the Yorubas. Its the holy day or rest day, thanks to Xtianity, if not we wont have Britain to spread such ''rest-day uniformity'' abroad. Before, it used to be: 'Ojo Ose' with the Yoruba, meaning "the inception day"

Ojo-Ose-Ibile is akin to 'sabbath day' (not 'Saturn day'=saturday as it is in medieval pagan Celtic culture for the seventh-day of the week).

We know God by His names and wonderful attributes before the advent of the universal religions that has come to us here in 9ja in our various tongues, so, let us invoke and appreciate HIM this morning as ever. Thanks and God bless.

Thanks for this @fulaman, old pal. God bless our native Africa. The throngs are on their way. Happy sunday and make sure you go to church/shrine this morning: Christ love you (as much as em, the ancestors) Peace.

Everybody should know EBOLA is trending now.

argon500: Think what a remarkable, unduplicatable, and miraculous thing it is to be you! Of all the people who have come and gone on the earth, since the beginning of time, not ONE of them is like YOU!

No one who has ever lived or is to come has had your combination of abilities, talents, appearance, friends, acquaintances, burdens, sorrows and opportunities.

No one’s hair grows exactly the way yours does. No one’s finger prints are like yours. No one has the same combination of secret inside jokes and family expressions that you know.

The few people who laugh at all the same things you do, don’t sneeze the way you do. No one prays about exactly the same concerns as you do. No one is loved by the same combination of people that love you – NO ONE!

No one before, no one to come. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE!

Enjoy that uniqueness. You do not have to pretend in order to seem more like someone else. You weren’t meant to be like someone else. You do not have to lie to conceal the parts of you that are not like what you see in anyone else.

You were meant to be different. Nowhere ever in all of history will the same things be going on in anyone’s mind, soul and spirit as are going on in yours right now.

If you did not exist, there would be a hole in creation, a gap in history, something missing from the plan for humankind.

Treasure your uniqueness. It is a gift given only to you. Enjoy it and share it!

No one can reach out to others in the same way that you can. No one can speak your words. No one can convey your meanings. No one can comfort with your kind of comfort. No one can bring your kind of understanding to another person.

No one can be cheerful and lighthearted and joyous in your way. No one can smile your smile. No one else can bring the whole unique impact of you to another human being.

Share your uniqueness. Let it be free to flow out among your family and friends and people you meet in the rush and clutter of living wherever you are. That gift of yourself was given you to enjoy and share. Give yourself away!

See it! Receive it! Let it tickle you! Let it inform you and nudge you and inspire you! YOU ARE UNIQUE!

So true,
You are unique too.
There is beauty in diversity.
It's the way our Creator made us.

beautiful piece @amo4ce.
May you grow from strength to strength,
Both in knowledge and understanding o, Ase.

talk2dre: Wow! I will check it out ...thanks! Уσυ seem to have read a lot back in †ђ℮ days!

Don't mind me, I used to pour out my life on those literature like my life depend on it. As such, I have vivid fragment -recollection from the books I've read.

talk2dre: @2prexios, I don't know if you can help me out. When I was a kid, I read a book about two villages. The two villages are battling ƒσя supremacy over each other. Then one village got to know of a tunnel that leads to a world of knowledge. They ended up sending some of their kinsmen there who later came back with great knowledge in different fields. Due to this level of supremacy, they succeeded in subduing the other village.
So many pages of the book (including †ђ℮ front and back pages) were already torn when I read it, and I don't know †ђ℮ title. I don't know if Уσυ have read a book like that. I have asked around αη∂ no one seem to have read such a book. Αll I want is †ђ℮ title. Please, kindly help out.

The name of that wonderful book is "Gift to troubled tribes" Very good literature for civic instructions.

Davo93: Oh... thank you. Unfortunately, i am not in Lagos.

We had almost thesame experience. When I was in primary school, i use to have one smart teacher then that will tell us to contribute money together to buy Coke and biscuit for him so that he can read those novels to us. It was a daily routine then and we find it so interesting then that many of us would prefer to use our money for food during the break to buy Coke for Uncle Niyi, just for him to read a chapter of the book to us daily.

thats wonderful, childhood is part of our most treasured memory, I wish I can be a kid again, but its impossible. Where are you if I may help you? I can ring some friends to parcel the books to you, it should be around 500naira or so, then DHL or EMS Speedpost or Nipost.

Somewhere up there we come about the luminary.

Who was the luminary of Yoruba history? Well in the past, I spoke of "ayinike and ayinipada". Maybe we would get to that in time to come. I promised Starflux that in the old nairaland. But of a truth, this concept permeate the Yoruba history a lot. The ancestors not only employed preciosity, they created words as alternatives for each one they coin.

The reason? So that 'the decryptor' will confirm his work with other alternatives that abound in the historical vocabulary. So when the Yoruba says Agba letu, omode L'awo, they were invariably saying that as we grow up, we get to decode or untie some knotty words, but as kids, these are 'awo', words-set shrouded in mystery. We are such adults now.

Our fathers before us have great challenges breaking the same wordset. It got them mesmerized. But they have a way around it. Now Ijesha oridi Isana is one of such wordset. Our fathers went for ayinipada "ile ni won tii muna roko". Sorry, its a lie. Thats not what that sentence mean to say. I do not enjoy being wistleblower on the fathers mistake.

Ijesha oridi Isana simply means (Ijesha) Oridi Braided Head, Isana: luminary. The matriarch was a sex symbol to her generation, but our father got the information about her confused, thinking their fathers before them were saying Ijesha did not get to the root of making fire.

Eni ti koye,
won mi gbodi itan.
Erelu Ile lo sewa si,

Iya onitanna
To j'oye kalu d'owa
Koto waje aromire Ake.

Salute to you the luminary, the sparkling woman. the matriarch of Yoruba race. the Queen regent, my ancestor. I love you old mama, Ajibola abeni Olotufe, Eye rere tii waje fawo. To some you are seen as an evil woman, but you are my ancestor, Olokiki Oru. The fame of nightfall.









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10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.

14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.

15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.

16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.

17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.

19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.

20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.

21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.

22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.

23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.

24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.

25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.

26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.

28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.

30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the Lord, she shall be praised.

31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.

Davo93: Sorry, do you know where online that i can get that book? Ireke Onibudo and Igbo Olodunmare

I'm not quite sure one can get it online.

The last time I needed Fagunwa's books, I went to Spectrum books Plc.
You can get the four classics there, it's opposite Eleganza plaza at Ikeja.

You can access the company through Alausa or Motorway, Ikeja, Lagos.

the book is one of the ways to relive nostalgic feelings of childhood.
Can't forget that a friend always read it to me as I listen as a boy.

Welcome.

Tolexander: These names are burrowed from the arab(larubawa) and it is very obvious to those with standard and real yoruba heritage.

The names were changed as a result of yoruba's preference for short names and are modified using the rules guiding 'òrò àyálò' in Yoruba.

i refuse to take this.

How about MO[color=crimson]SUNMOLA[/color] translated to 'i'm close to wealth', and ADE[color=crimson]SUNMOLA[/color] translated to 'crown is close to wealth'?
Are they arabic?

the op is right about sunmola.
I have an uncle call Ismoila, but his mum call him sunmola /dmd/
I was thinking she meant another child of hers until I got to know.

meanwhile, sunmola happen to rhyme with sleeping on wealth in Yoruba.

MetaPhysical: Amor4ce, Prexious, it's nice to converge with you enlightened souls again.

This is a nice topic to use in exploring the hidden messages in a number of documented Yoruba myths, classics and tales: Igbo Olodumare, Ogboju Ode ninu Igbo Irunmale, Ireke Onibudo, The Myths of Ife, and so on..

First, people need to know who and what Irunmale is and what incarnation is. Likewise, we need enlightenement on the concept of birth and death, without which a reincarnation is meaningless.

I see also that you attributed "IWA" as Eniyan, Oduduwa and Oluiwa. We should discuss Iwa in a different context so as not to derail the subject of Irunmole and Reincarnation.

In summary,

1. What is birth, what is death?
2. What does it mean to be reincarnated?
3. What is the nature of Irunmale/Irunmole?
4. What is the nature of Orisha?
5. Can mankind come as Orisha or not?
6. Can mankind become Irunmole or not?
7. Can Orisha become Irunmole or not?

In fact, who is mankind?

Great metaphysical, Amo4ce et al, the bearers of the Yoruba touch of enlightenment. I salute you o, Iba o gbodo hunmo. Its not about the best argument, but about the refinement of thought, and you have exhibited great refinement that has got across to me all along, I am blessed to have rub minds with you and others, meta.

Mo yo fun e, mo yo funra mi.

1. What is birth, what is death?

From what I have learnt in my life as a Yorubaman, birth is one of the three things that the Yoruba believe that humanity seek after:

oun meta l'eda nwa,
Eda nwowo, eda nwomo,
Eda nwa'tunbotan aye.

This are the three things: owo, (money), omo, (offspring), Atunbotan-aye, (the rebirth of the earth). What more can I say? The fathers have said it. It is either one go with the ancestors or concoct his or her own opinion from various popular frames.

3. What is the nature of Irunmale/Irunmole?

As for me, the Irunmole are the Yoruba ancestors that arrived at Yoruba land, they were 'ore-imule' that is, friends (loyal to an oath of allegiance that border on) securing the landmass. They were the first generation of the migrants that entered Yorubaland.

4. What is the nature of Orisha?

Orisa were the main ancestors who left the Yoruba well spring. These were men from various walks of life who make the list of the head of the chosen people (eniyan). Orisa is a variant of Eniyan, meaning "a personality of choice", so to say.

Orisa is "selected by the head" (of State) literally.

7. Can Orisha become Irunmole or not?

Orisha is like someone from the senate, while Irumole is like Honorable. Orisha were the people that were given the mandate to establish Yoruba civilization, but they did not discover Yorubaland, they first settle towards the north.

But the Irumole began searching for a new land and came southward. Irumole were the relayed explorers who took the exploration baton from Orisha people. Now a hint is given us in journey system that Yoruba employed in this place-name: IJESHA. What this mean is "the oddysey of the choosen"

Irumole on the other hands, means iru: sprout, mole: light, i.e. kindred of light or kindred of the luminary. So who was the luminnary? Ijesha, oridi, isana. ISANA is another way round to highlight the LUMINARY again.

Observe that they always attach numbers to Irumole, this was the number of young merchant navy that first navigate Yorubaland. They don't attach numbers to Orisha. Now there is a way to verify all this assertions, let's peruse Ifa corpus for some insight: ODU OSE....

Konu-nkoho nii sawo ewi Alado,
Orun mu dede ija kanle, awo Ode Ijesha,
Alakan tii gbeti do, ti t'ega iya pepepe,
Awo Oluweri.

Adifa fun igba irumole ojukotun,
Abu fun igba irumole, ojukosi,
Nijo ti won nt'ikole orun
Bo wa kole aye

Won la gbo oro won lagbo opa,
won lana won la bi ese nto,
won pee gun, egun o gbo,
won pe oro, oro ogba,

won gbera, won to Olodumare lo,
Olodumare ni Obinrin aarin yin nko?
won lawon o fi tobinre se!..........

This gives you the idea of the Irumole-number I earlier talked about. It did not just drop from the winds, it has its historical significance. The above Ifa verse is set to Odu Ose, which means the precept of the founders.

amor4ce: Sorry all about the way I acted on that Canaaland connection thread; I was going through a lot at that time.

MetaPhysical, IWA here is in reference to the personality, not that other context. My Baba Awo confirmed that IWA is OLUIWA, more proof can be seen in the names of other divinities like Olosa who is also known as Osa.

How about we start with contributions of relevant Ifa stanzas concerning reincarnation-death-rebirth. In that creation story about the creation of Ninibinini, it is mentioned that Olodumare created her at location X bringing her to earth, confirming that our journey starts in heaven - orun n'ile, aye l'oja.

No dear brother, we all have the time to groan and hurt on this course. There is no precedence for this deep quest that has captivated us, we are different from promoters of culture, maybe we are researchers of culture.

Hanging somewhere at Efunyela hall is the saying, "only the deep calleth to the deep". That's Awo's line of thought, He apparently picked that from the scriptures. Life is good when a man find purpose in it, good purpose.

Let me get to metaphysical and be back...

igbodefender: Ife was founded by Igbos aboriginal to that area. Then the Yorubas took over, via Oduduwa and Queen Moremi. If the Igbo King of Ife hadn't fallen for Moremi, the secret of his warriors would not have been known to the Yorubas. Well, the rest is history.

Papilo,

I know say one day, you will make us proud.
But stop reading too much apocrypha now my dear.

This your Yoruba-heretic in the name of "history" na, ehn-ehn.
Your courage impress me though, but the beating here na waya.

You have receive sege response from various quarters on this,
Your post is complete banza post, take this wanka to simmer.

See you in the evil forest soon,
Please enjoy your deportation.

#MostQuotedPostOnThread

MetaPhysical: whatssup my brother.
Long time, happy to see you!

happy to see you too.

D.O. Fagunwa's epic compares with 'The pilgrim progress.' How I loved 'Ireke Onibudo', it was my best thriller of all. Amo4ce, karaole o, I miss you quite much, cheers.

kingston277: It was actually founded in 300BCE. Nice try though.
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=008915


Ok.


A beauty isn't it.


I never said anything about evolution let alone who is more evolved than who. That and the biological race notion as we see it today is a myth scientists have debunked several times over. Please, it's time to focus on ways to develop Nigeria, not silly eugenics practices.

I concur. Backward never, forward ever. All that the ancestors ask from us is to make our world more beautiful than they left it: 'e saye e re kodara.' Spiting, whining, wimpy comparism or embracing developed worlds, and apparent-denial of areas begging for improvements does not change our predicament.

Well I did not want to start season 2 of old nairaland, but it behooves on me to answer my friend, @kingston, so I put this forth.

Here are his question as I can recall from the old nairaland....

you know your history, so ...

1. When was Ile Ife founded?

2. What are stand-in for Yoruba oral records?

3. What is sugbo Eredo?

4. Could the people who developed these be said to be less evolved?


1. When was Ile Ife founded?

Ife was founded at year zero, day one, Yoruba ancestors era. To convert to Greco-Roman time, one needs to rely on Ife archeological specimen, which means we have to take the oldest sample of such specimen and determine its half life or carbon date. Whatever that is can be put in either BCE or AD, which is our (modern history) chronological time frame.

2. What are stand-in for Yoruba oral records?

There are several stand-in for Yoruba oral records that have survive to our time, if what you mean are oral record system of the Yorubas. the list at my disposal includes and not limited to the following


1. Oriki,

2. Ayajo,

3. Ogede,

4. Ofo,

5. Ijala,

6. Aroko,

7. Oro- Ile,

8. Ifa oracular dicta.

The above are oral historical instruments that the Yoruba ancestors devised to preserve their history and enable the same permeate their progeny's lifestyle beliefs and and culture till it get to our age in modern times.

3. What is sugbo Eredo?

The first record of Sugbo Eredo came from the colonial periods, as early as 1910 thereabout. It was said to have been the work of Sugbo, an ancient woman claimed to be barren and was said to have erected the site for her remembrance. You can read more about Sugbo Eredo at Wikipedia as much as recent archeological findings around the monument.

4. Could the people who developed these be said to be less evolved?

These are unique achievements that has been accomplished by the Yoruba ancestors, but wonders of monumental proportion litters every culture, hence the old world compiled her seven wonders of the world. Have we found or credited the builders of Stonehenge? how about the sphinx and the hanging garden of babylon and the wall of china?

If the above make us more evolve than others, then we are people before our time, and if we are hooked to the past glory and praise the ancestors, what will the ancestors praise about us, that we don't care to put up a new world wonder may mean we are retrogressing, on backward-spiral.

Guess why I'm now the happiest of men? My metaphysical is back! I love you my brother, please don't go. You know how much I miss U. Without "U" there's no "US"

zeemoore: You need to stop dreaming and snap back to reality

Reality stink baby sister,
Nothing is real in this transient world.
Only the constant motion of the universe.

But as for the affairs of men,
No one's reality match that of another.
I don't need reality to be Emir of New York.

I have a tall dream, you see?
I kept dreaming and dreaming all day.
Live it is, but a piece of dream that snaps.