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Zikdik:
No need for the philosophical discourse. I wasn't insulting anyone or anything. I simply was commenting on the inability of this god to protect it's worshippers.

Then you still believe he exists.

Zikdik:
Rest on, O Deceased!
This doG can't even protect his worshippers. It's a crying shame.

I think you are more tyranical than dog or god if you have to insult the belief and comiserate with the dead at the same time. We always resemble our worst enemy, because we will be worst if we are in their stead.

Oh what a loss! God. I dont know what to say: how are the mighty fallen.

MetaPhysical:
Let's dial back the hand of time. The take is that Yoruba is synonymous with Oyo.

1. Who founded Oyo?

IleIfe is much older than Oyo.
2. What were the people of Ife called?

There is no criteria to prove that Ife is older than Oyo other than that, that is how Yoruba want it. Ile Ife is so called Ife Oodaye. This means Ife pertains with the Creator/founders of Aye, i.e. Yoruba world. Ife was founded by Yoruba ancestors that gave us the saying 'omode gbon, agba gbon lafi dale Ife'. Both places were founded at the same time by the same set of people, hence Ife has Opa Oranyan, while Oyo look up to Oranyan as founder. Oranyan was the leader of omode, (Iganmode: youth leader). Oduduwa was the regent leader of awon (omode ati) Agba, that is, head of the elders. Both Oyo and Ife have long been involved in 'omode gbon agba gbon' politics from inception because the youth came (to Yorubaland) first before the elders, and the rule is: Eni aba l'aba ni baba.

MetaPhysical:
Let's dial back the hand of time. The take is that Yoruba is synonymous with Oyo. Who founded Oyo?

The way I used to go about this is 'Genesis-precept': that is, 'places are named after historical events in Yorubaland'. Oyo was founded by Oyo, a forgotten heroin. O-yo means a-spy (infilterator, sneaker). Do we have a spy in Yoruba history? Yes we do. And who was that? None but Moremi. But Moremi was said to be a native of Ofa. Okay, 'Oyo' is ayinike; (a word in circulation projecting an original idea), 'Ofa' is ayinipada (a word in circulation projecting an original idea as feedback). If the term Oyo fails, Ofa will not, vice-versa. Both names mean the same thing, courtessy Moremi. Oyo, slippery; Ofa, slippery, (the two words often combine as 'yofa' or 'fayo'). Oyo however became more glorious. That America is world power today does not mean it exist long before China or Inca civilization.

MetaPhysical:
Prexios,

On this topic, finding the origin of the name Yoruba is parallel with the quest to find the first Yoruba society.
If we can locate the first Yoruba society, we will find the origin of the name.

What names have Yorubas call themselves in the past?
Also, is there any record of any ancient society with the YRB root word?

They have been called Ayonu by their Dahomeyian neigbours to the west,
And Lukumi especially in the Carribean sea and the new world, and as well, em, Yoruba was earlier called Eyo by bishop Crowther in his episcopal correspondence with London mission of Anglican church. Crowther has the priviledge of reciting the Lord's Prayer in Yoruba (from his Yoruba translation of the English bible) before Her Majesty Queen Victoria, who listened with rapt attention and commented that Yoruba language is sweet to hear and sounds like music.

Our salvation as a people will come from intelligent synagy of handiwork and collegial certifications, thats what I was told.We cannot run away from needs begging to be met on daily basis in form of services or improvement on some, which may require manual efforts or machineries, nor can we have a country with hordes f unskilled or semi skilled labour.

In the past, several individuals has transverse the human society, coming frm nowhere with minimal educations, but who left behind an indelible footprint on the sand of time. A hordes of them make our present civilization possible in their own respect. A name quickly comes to mind. I dont really know the numbers of patent the man alone has to his name: more than two thousand inventions.

He was not trained in a college, but he was trained on the street, on the job. He was not jinxed by certification or prediction of his teacher that harsh and cruel fate await him in the futre to come as a hearig impaired pupil. Thanks to his mum anyway. Well that was then, but Hstory often repeat itself from time to time, and I pray it will do likewise with you for good.

Yes those men made names for themselves, but there were great hurdles for all attainment, maybe to attain the height or to maintain the momentum. To attain the height on the other hand require fresight and faight that is not easily broken. There are many inventions hat is still unavailable to this present age, it has not come to foreknowledge of man.

just this last century, at the beginning of it, Eistein postulated his relativity theory, and on the mass energy equivalence, (e = mc^2) the world has a formula that is the forerunner of the atomic age. Sequentially, "in 1911, Ernest Rutherford proposed a model of the atom in which a very small, dense and positively charged nucleus of protons (the neutron had not yet been discovered) was surrounded by orbiting, negatively charged electrons (the Rutherford model).

"Niels Bohr improved upon this in 1913 by reconciling the quantum behavior of electrons (the Bohr model). Work by Henri Becquerel, Marie Curie, Pierre Curie, and Rutherford further elaborated that the nucleus, though tightly bound, could undergo different forms of radioactive decay, and thereby transmute into other elements. (For example, by alpha decay: the emission of an alpha particle—two protons and two neutrons bound together into a particle identical to a helium nucleus.)" -wiki.

From this is the humble beginning of the Atomic age, and the birth of all it has to offer in atomic fission. What am I saying? Even chemistry itself began from Alchemy, and as a result of continual renewal of its place and essence in human society, it has done us good as much as evil as it is with all affairs of man.

The purpose of this thread is not surreal: education or not, some wondrous discovery are waiting to come to the knowledge of light. It would be so great if this discovery are not sweep under the carpet by the need of its possessors to get the next good job as a graduate so as not to rut in poverty.

As a country, we still need our own Estein, we need our home grown Galileo, we need a Thomas Edisons that would give us constant light and rural electrification. we need men like Socrates and Plato among our youths to unlock new secrets to the world. But that can't be possible with graduates that have to keep looking for what to eat and other transient needs.

Thank you.

hahn:
Its hard to believe that you're a graduate. Your composition of sentences is even too shameful for a 3 year old. I'd advice you hustle hard and raise enough money to repay your parents for all your school fees before its considered a waste.

If you really want to know what street smart is all about, stop collecting pocket money from your parents and venture into the streets to find out for yourself.

thanks for cheering

PAGAN9JA:
hmm i feel this has something to do with the anglicization of ethnic names.

the actually pronunciation might be different from the English spelling.

Very well, the people of that period the name Yoruba was adopted call the fulanis, felata.

But then Crowther was part of the elite of the time and Henry Townsend and other returnee saros,

they definitely know how the true pronunciation goes.

Moreso, Crowther consult widely on the issue of Yoruba traditions, he met with Islamic scholars of his time to learn more on semantic integrity of the Oyo Yoruba language and vocabulary.

http://www.dacb.org/stories/nigeria/legacy_crowther.html

PAGAN9JA:
does Yoruba have to be a foreign word?

Why cant it just be an indigenous word describing the said ethnic group?

In that sense are you stating that all these names: Hausa, Igbo, Jukun, Nupe, etc., came from foreign words?

that's true pagan9ja, sometimes some words are used by a people and it becomes area-code, they may later drop it but their neighbours may still hold on to it, we can research and find out more about it: my believe is, the Yoruba is like bariba and like borgu and so on.

But the Yoruba people were not answering that because every Yoruba tribe has its name as her identity, then when Clapperton came, he got the Hausa version of it, and when he traveled through Yorubaland, he confirmed its indigenous version and uphold it.

If the names are hard to find, the same should apply to all other Yoruba neighbours and there should be some conspiracy theories around every ethnic names. But Yoruba has always been pronounced Yoba, which is like queen mother, Iye Oba.

Who knows if it pertains with a queen mother of historical repute in annal of Yoruba history and as fate will have it, it was plucked from repertoire of antique phrases to serve as eponymous name?

similar sounding words:

Yeye, matriarch,
Yewa, our matriarch.
Ayaba, kings wife.

macof:
50miles from where?
Definitely if you want answers about Oyo ur best bet is to speak to an Oyo man who was born and trained in the traditions
I haven't seen anybody say "Yoruba" is originally a word from Yoruba language before this thread

We are not going to digress to Oyo history on this, so let it go, better resource are in written by the best hands that can do it for the needs on Oyo or Yoruba history. The question is the name now. Since you haven't got it from any one does not mean the implied is impossible.

People all over the world get to be known by the names others call them...so there's nothing degrading in a Hausa turned Yoruba origin of our ethnic nomenclature

That's one of the possibilities to explore, but if the Yoruba language is resourceful enough in terms of semiology or semantics, its not a crime if a name of an ethnic group turn on a scholarly quest.

another funny thing is, it might not be Hausa but Bariba, nupe or Kanuri language. All that is sure is that it came from some northern people- which everyone these days tag as Hausa

Since these place names can be invoke, the root of the name weather Bariba, Nupe, Kanuri language is no longer secured, it will give its meaning, where its hiding notwithstanding.

All we need is thinkers that knows no limitations.

hahn:
Seun and other super mods! Una anti spam bot no go ban this kind dumb post abi?

@op, your parents should have given you the money they used to send you to school to start a business for you instead. They shouldn't complain.

Just keep trying. Never give up. If you can't get a job, create one.

That's exactly what I am saying, thinking response without getting issues with the problem, I create this problem in hope of diverse opinion and not because I have angry parents. Pls forget about my parents. Let's tackle issues and solve problems and stop blaming the parents and the past. The problem is in our hands.

macof:
Look to oyo you say? no Oyo man would tell u anything different from this
"the name Yoruba was derived from wat the Hausa speakers called the Oyo empire"

no one said "oyo" so don't twist things here. Oyo was coined by Oranmiyan himself
But we talking "Yoruba"

Old Oyo-ile was in Oyo state along the boarders of Kwara state not Niger state

Hello macof pal, tis been a while chatting with you, cute intellectual. Alright no bribing: please check where Oyo was before Aole, record has it that its 50 miles? to present site {will update this later} its across the Niger. Yoruba is not an Hausa word: Clapperton got Yarba from sultan Bello, then he got Yorrouba? tranversing Yorubaland with Denham and Richard Lander in 1825. Because a man can answer a question on the street of Oyo about the name Yoruba does not make them an authority. At Ado, we have ABIYO (a bi yo: Oyo camp) so I dont worship Oyo or Ife.

Thats the thinking, Mom&Pop thinking when as a graduate you don't seems to be able to fend for yourself yet. Share your experience as a bullied, jobless graduate or an unemployable youth that never give up: and how about street smart versus school smart? Times were when pop start pointing to your siblings or that guy at blocks away as smart guy and you: clueless and headstrong forever.

MetaPhysical:
Hausa will refer to Kanuri person as Beriberi or Babur.
Hausa refer to Nupe as Banupe or Banufi.
Hausa will also call Borgu person a Bariba.
Hausa call the highlanders of Plateau Bachama.
These are people with whom the Hausa culture and civilization share history and frontiers.

Why would they then single out the Oyo people, with whom they likewise share civilization and customs, and append to them a YA or YO, instead of a BA as they traditionally do with the rest?

On point meta, its like saying 'look to Arewa to decode Oyo'. Why not look to Oyo instead? Cos you already have element of 'Yo' serving as prefix and sufix both in Yoruba and Oyo. Ancient Yoruba says 'a gbede gb'eyo' to mean a very versatile person on the job, but agbede-gbeyo literally means 'one who understand codes and Eyo tongue'. So which is Ede, which is EYO? The term Oyo is like landmark to measure the frontiers of old Yoruba as starting out at old Oyo (Niger state) to Eyo (Lagos).

MetaPhysical:
Alaye mi, how u dey?

The people saying Hausa donated the name have tunnell vision....I will broaden their sight and mind.

Baba O! Mo wa pa! Ibi to le lanbokunrin. Toju o ba teyin-igbeti (Ein Gedi) oju oni t'Eko (the resistants). Knowing that there's someone out there saying yes to my dreams has kept me going when it wax dark, lonely and cold over here. I hold da reins for ya, aha! You are the man meta. Not many understand the mysterious connection in Yoruba spoken word and the Asia minor of old like you wit Ayinike & Ayinipada. One day, I was playing with Ekoro, (from Ara 'resa, omo badu Elekoro) I checked on Ikoro, Ekuro and just then that 'Ikraw' jump into it too. The payoff of that day was, I decoded the story behind the dark saying: Ekuro lala baku Ewa o. So beautiful unionism. Aha! Yorubaland is an extention of the old world, not a pariah civilization. How we gat to do? We'll rock this generation, with amazing & convincing discoveries, I pray.

They don't know o, the name Yoruba originated with Yoruba people. It is one of the antique terms plucked to identify Yoruba from the 1830s.

You guys failed to defend your business at the hot seat. I doff my cap 2prexios www.nairaland.com/1981095/what-happened-me-scam-job/2#27776519

Christeety:
Truth be told, the only issue most peeps have with GNLD is that they are not straight. Y deceive pple with numerous sms calling 4 interviews. If its such a lucrative business, people should be the one rushing after it.
They need to come out plain. So that only people who actually have interest in networking stuff can participate. Imagine someone travelling down to Lagos all the way from Benin with high hopes only 2 get there and be dissappointed. Its really not fair.#My tot#

Thats true, nothing but the truth. But the gimmick is, they are targeting the ripe workforce available in the labour market, other than experienced hands because, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Meanwhile most people that are always baited by gnld are boys and girls looking for clark & janitorial jobs or sales rep. They don't have option but to do what they were offered at that crossroad of life as the best. I give it to them, they tried to do something with their time.

I have decided not to fetch you fresh issues.

Dapo777:
I have to speak their language for them to understand, a typical Yoruba man needs to add insult to pass across a message,So I have to use insult too before you and other typical yorubas can understand.

That is, leading by example. Sure, you have what you see in others in abundance. Then endless love (passion: love+hate) forced you to acknowledge it under a comfortable mask. If not, this wont be.

birdman:
o mean e ? subscribing.

based on the fact that this is still on page one, i think a lot of the cultural heavyweights are now off nairaland

Kawifunni kagbo, mebi ounniyi omoluabi? Baaba fo funni, kagba. I don't pray those frontpage huntas on Nairaland hijack this.

This tallies 75% with what I have. @peterkbaba, good that we can look up to indeginous lingua symphony for an etymology of our ethnic name. One of the ruling house of Ado is Idobarun (Ido Oba Orun: camp of the king from heaven). Their quarter is called Oloparun, 'the terminators' so to say. Orun can be heaven or hell. The last king is from here, untij the Ados revolted against him. At Ife we have Orun Oba Ado: just compare the contrast, don't punch. Also at Ota, you have a quarter called Oruba. These words coaligate. But on coming from heaven to introduce kingship to the world , I have not come across any indeginous thougth like it.

mkpakanaodogwu:
Cheeck that yam very well,the name of a god in a middle east tongue may be somewhere in front or back

ALLAHU YAHWEH YAM. I suspect this may have come from the garden of fill in the gap.

obinna002:
Your very lucky I don't know you in person, could have dealt with you,

Why? Is that how you go about dealing with people?

Anyi3:
2prexios

I have no problems with any man's hustle. Everybody should be free to chase their dreams. However your freedom ends where another person's starts. My only problem is when you tell someone lies to get the person involved. If the business is legitimately lucrative, why don't you stick to the truth and let people decide?

That's exactly what I do preach. It might take time, but one will definitely get there. Presently, I am helping a retiree build his business. He bought into the hype and was at a loss as to how to dispose his products. So I am putting him thru. The two of us are involve from within, so nobody is deceiving another. He met me because he did not give up even when the person that enrolled him has abandon him. The person that enrol me has abandon me now, but I hang on to understand the business, and now I have connected good people from within. What my upline told me is half-full truth, it takes me to make it true or false. Thanks bruv.

^^This response shows that you are an alternate- example of what you mean, 'typical Yoruba'. Your op concerns the direct-examples from your worldview, of which you are sub~real. I am a typical Yoruba man, but not subjective to your sociology.

I am more informed of this industry than you, very well, cause I have the patience to learn to understand and not to rejoice with prejudice. Patience is a virtue, prejudice is fooly. It is by choice to construct or condemn. Initially, you are the one who want my attention by first calling me names just to disgrace me with your campaign of calumny, making generalizations and thinking I will cower at your rants. Did I? I believe in what I am doing, I don't need you to believe me. My place is at the front joor. I dont trivialize or trample on the aspirations of others once its legit before the law of the land, I am not your kind who hunt about for whom to disgrace, rather I add value to any issue that appeals to me. Money exchange hand with MLM products daily, you can package your frustration about the industry as ebook and sell it or for free. With or without your campaign of calumny, MLM thrives. You are the loser, no one know what you do.

Interesting post, the more the woods the merrier. I like to suggest a name for Nigeria film industry: nairaframe. Thank me later. D;

Interesting post, the more the woods the merrier. I like to suggest a name for Nigeria film industry: nairaframe. Thank me later.

bolorunfem:
I am Aya Awori, my husband is from Egan, Lasgidi. Gbogbo omo olu ewu, mo ki yin, ki ti gbe o

A dara fun e o Ayaba...

E ki ogboni ni 'okun nile o.

Omo Olu we wun ngbo tile toko.

TheCode:
Lolzz... well, I am going to give up on trying to make you see the error of the ways of you and your people. Birds of a feather flock together so your lack of coherence and basic intelligence do not surprise me.

You all claim it is a crime of the highest order to seek paid employment: is 'greenword' your father's company? You take a common marketing job that is not paying its disciples enough to even outdress a motor park tout and paint it as some glorious self-employment opportunity. Is that not a horrible form of self-deceit?


I will say this again with the hope that you would have enough common sense to get the message now: I do not hate you (I dont have the time), I am only filled with disgust at what you and your people do, at the way you scam people into coming to your seminars (yeah, thats the spelling; not seminals). Read the posts on this thread and you shall discover everyone feels the same. In a more civilised part of the world, you all could be arrested and sued for this nonsense.

By the way, bitterness, pain, sorrow, agony, etc best describe you and your people who descend to a despicable level of unethical practices to lure unsuspecting citizens into becoming your marketers.

TheCode, you come across as a loser. You are in the business before, you fail woefully and your anger now know no bounds. There is no truth in you, so you can never take the simplest truth from a stranger. You have twisted the greenword episode as if it happen to you, what kind of human being is this?

When did I told you paid employment is bad?SMH can marketing replace every form of employment in this world? Is the internet mlm? Is Education sector mlm? Is transportation sector mlm? Everyone is bashing MLM here now which is normal, because average Nigerians enjoy condemning than constructive arguments, its the path of least resistance.

But you chose to come after me even when I bless you at the start, trying to avoid confrontations, but the love for mocking others is too rooted in you, so you are here fighting and twisting my point as if I am the cause of your pain for excelling where you are condemning.

I'm thinking you are a loser, you once fail but never blame your stupidity for your failure, you are still wrathful after many years, looking for whom to devour. MLM is voluntary choice, you are not compel into it. I did not enroll you into it, deal with the institution and your weakness, not me.

Meanwhile, you are a very mean and callous soul for describing those young people trying to do the little they know as at the time to better their lot in life as wretched soul. Is your own soul not wretched with that picture in mind? You have only see them for a moment, not for all lifetime.

You do not know what the future hold for them yet, perhaps in MLM or elsewhere, but you mock them in their trying time as wretched x34, as such, may the good God reward you.

Dude I currently run a small-scale private enterprise on the side, and everyone on my team look healthier and dress way better than your 'millionaire networkers'.

I have no problem with those who chose networking as a form of business, but they should BE HONEST about what they do. Simple.

job scammer plc.

I pity whoever does business with your kind, if all the story-twisting and tirade is your interpretation of simple information from a total stranger. You are a killjoy any day an all knowing, "hard to deal with" and perfect and HONEST fellow. But, what you do cannot come to the open.

I can assure you, if you have difference with a partner, you have potential to kill the person or change all dealing records, kill off witness, re-interpret MOU depending on what is at stake after delivery. You can destroy others' reputation in a rage just for fun.

So this may pray against your own success in your "small business world of dainty people" except you change.