sonofluc1fer:
Should be fun. I will be theist.

GrizzlyBear:
I don't think my rational mind would be able to conjure a tenable argument in favor of theism that wouldn't be patently irrational and reeking with logical flaws and rankling sentiments, but I'll try.

krattoss:
As per logic, no being can prove gods existence... Thy all depend on faith to prove his existence

KingEbukasBlog:



Your arguments are usually poor so I don't expect anything less when you switch to theism . But first ,you really need to understand how diversified theism is .


Beginning your sentence with "As per logic " doesn't necessarily mean that whatever follows suit makes any sense

CoolUsername:


Man can you not do this? You're completely missing the point of the thread. But don't worry, any time prehistoric interdimensional portals are brought up, I'm sure you'll have some insight.

CoolUsername:


Man can you not do this? You're completely missing the point of the thread.

But don't worry, any time prehistoric interdimensional portals are brought up, I'm sure you'll have some insight.

johnydon22:


Hahahahaha Tower of Babel level. . . . Anyway simply ignore and get on with the business of the thread.

KingEbukasBlog:


I understand the point of the thread and I've made a germane response , counter it if you can , it'd be fun though . See first page

femzysticks:
To them that do not believe, no proof is possible...

You are not asking to learn
You just want to argue

My only question...

What happened to your faith

4kings:

You are to argue in favor of atheism not attack it.

4kings:

You are to argue in favor of atheism not attack it.

johnydon22:


Faith is basically something you apply in order to believe something you know you'd ordinarily not believe..

johnydon22:


No you may either choose to switch or remain where you are, again "attacking atheism" is not an argument for God(s) existence. . . Personal attacks on atheists or mockery is not an argument.

wiegraf:
Do you believe this universe can be modeled as a computer program?

If not, why not?

wiegraf:
Do you believe this universe can be modeled as a computer program?

If not, why not?

wiegraf:
Do you believe this universe can be modeled as a computer program?

If not, why not?

KingEbukasBlog:


Exactly ! Same with attacking salvation , prayer , creation story in the bible or in other religious texts , schisms in religion , faith , religious practices and other strawman arguments you and your ilk make are not arguments against God's existence . The deists who also acknowledge the existence of God can make those arguments too and even fellow Christians can . See ? This is why I always say you guys have very ludicrous arguments . You guys don't even understand what exactly you are arguing against !

4kings:

Simulation requires knowledge and understanding of the environment.
If the totality of processes and workings of the universe is known then it can be modeled or simulated as a computer program.

CoolUsername:


I believe that atheists use it as a way of diminishing the power of God. They want to show that there isn't any noticeable difference between atheists and theists.

They are right to some extent.

But the people that they attack are just religious people.

Religion is limited but Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

I hope they repent before judgment comes.

Soooooo, how did I do?

wiegraf:


Do you believe they can be known?

Perhaps a better question would be "what would stop them from being known?", as if they can't be understood then that would imply something supernatural, yes? Sone thing that natural laws cannot explain, yes?

4kings:

Nope. Something that cant be explained yet doesn't make it supernatural. Just like how the primitive men thought rain or famine came about.
Laws are derived from observations and understanding made on phenomenon with verifiable facts. Lack of understanding does not equate 'Supernatural'.

wiegraf:


Then we are in agreement. All must follow some natural law, else they'd be truly supernatural, and that would be impossible, no?

If they follow natural laws then that would mean they could be modeled, correct?

Goot

So, for instance, this universe could be modeled as a computer program. If this is correct, exactly why would you choose to believe that this universe isn't a simulation?

Put another way, in the future we've built machines capable of simulating galaxies and whatnot, and people are playing around with them for whatever reason. Projects, maybe even fun and games like the Sims 3030, whatever. My question is if that's possible, then exactly why wouldn't you believe this universe is a simulation as well. Thinking otherwise would plenty shortsighted and self centered, no?

Just as a religious would be plenty selfish to assume this universe was created just for him, it would be plenty self centered to assume all other universes are simulations save for this one, no?

4kings:
johnydon22, what's your opinion on the universe being a simulation.

4kings:

I don't think this can be known for sure, except we finally discover the origin of the universe.

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wiegraf:


If the universe were a simulation it could be rigged in a way that we'd never be able to determine its origin, but that's besides the (immediate) point

Simply: wouldn't it be illogical to assume this universe isn't a simulation given the odds in the scenario I gave above?

4kings:

I said it can't be known for sure.

LordNislaz:
Another dumb thread. I wouldn't expect anything else from someone who believes he shares ancestry with apelike beings