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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw74: 12:40am On Jun 29, 2017 |
achorladey: ^^^ Same repeated confusion from one of your previous posts to someone else, copied and pasted here. Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Yes before God there was no God formed: Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. God is one, what are you trying to say ac hor ladey? and yes again Jehovah is Saviour: Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. also this one Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Besides YAHOVAH there is no Saviour, Isa 43:11 There is Salvation in none other than Jesus, Act 4:12 These two verses alone show that YAHOVAH is God, that Jesus is God Not two God's though ac as you believe in, a mighty god jesus, and a almighty god jehovah, there is but one God, which you don't and cannot possibly understand, listening to fallen angels through your elders. Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. No good reposting old mumbo jumbo ac, get into a Bible and believe, and know, of course you have to believe, and not change God's word, very dangerous. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw74: 5:39am On Jun 29, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR: When being the Word of God, Jesus is equal to Father: Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by CAPTIVATOR: 6:04am On Jun 29, 2017 |
saintmark88: A woman is not equal in authority with a man, She is under the authority of a man. likewise: saintmark88 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw74: 6:10am On Jun 29, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR: The grave is only one meaning, one place, of hell: hell G86 ᾅδης hadēs hah'-dace From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell. Total KJV occurrences: 11 hell H7585 שְׁאֹל שְׁאוֹל she'ôl she'ôl sheh-ole', sheh-ole' From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit. Total KJV occurrences: 65 hell G1067 γέεννα geenna gheh'-en-nah Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell. Total KJV occurrences: 12 ταρταρόω tartaroō tar-tar-o'-o From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell. Then there is the Lake of Fire: Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Rev_20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. verse 14 means death and hell(the grave) will no longer exist, and all persons since creation who were not found written in the book of life are thrown into the Lake Of Fire, their first death was the grave, their second death is the Lake Of Fire, and now is the beginning of eternity. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by CAPTIVATOR: 6:11am On Jun 29, 2017 |
johnw74: Read something you can understand and stop wasting your time. English Standard Version who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, - Phil 2:6 Christ did not think of Such thing as equality with God. thats the message of this verse 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw74: 7:45am On Jun 29, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR: ha ha, cap, you don't understand your own posted verse, oh false accusing one English Standard Version who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, - Phil 2:6 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[a] being born in the likeness of men. though Jesus was in the form of God, He did not, yes that's right, did not, count equality with God a thing to be grasped - held onto, but emptied Himself and became a man KJV Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and here's another for you to disbelieve cap, there are many verses that are clear, in fact they all are, but not to you : GOD'S WORD Php 2:6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality. Php 2:7 Instead, he emptied himself by taking on the form of a servant, by becoming like other humans, by having a human appearance. You also disbelieved this verse which backed up the KJV verse I posted about Jesus being equal to God. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. You such a denier of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, you must be a false jw Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by saintmark88(m): 9:34am On Jun 29, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR: How about n terms of nature?? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 7:17pm On Jun 29, 2017 |
johnw74:You don't know what am saying, how will you know when you are only concerned and your vigorous energy are concentrated on how the JWs will burn in lake of fire that means second death. Until you get the sense of it, don't comeback and tell me the Trinity consist of three persons. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 7:36pm On Jun 29, 2017 |
johnw74:What is the mind of christ? Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Who was in God's form and in a way robbed God? Who did Jesus fail to imitate in this aspect? From the following statement who did you think you are Johnw74 when you equate God(Jehovah) with Jesus christ(the firstborn of Jehovah’s creation) Yes oooo and of course, na person wey born you, you go resemble abi no be so? but not equal with that person meaning he was indeed in God's form but not equal to Jehovah. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 8:02pm On Jun 29, 2017 |
johnw74:You said on this same thread Jesus is the one God, Right or wrong? Let see how correct whatever you chose fits this: Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of Jehovah , thought it not robbery to be equal with Jehovah: Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of Jesus, thought it not robbery to be equal with Jesus: Is Jesus trying to steal from himself? Or if it were to be Jehovah, Is Jehovah trying to steal from himself? Is this statement of apostle Paul valid any longer if it were to be in this new format. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 8:43pm On Jun 29, 2017 |
achorladey: Why do you take verses out of the context in which they are used? Read phillipians chapter 2 and see why Paul made that statement Wouldn't have been pride for Jesus when he was on earth to equate himself to God even when They were of thesame nature? Jws are looking for the verse where Jesus Christ said He is God. Isn't it wanting Jesus to be proud? They called Jesus God in the bible Jesus didnt complain they gave Jesus Christ accolades given to God yet He didn't kill, curse or say they will not have eternal life so why should it be wrong to call Jesus Christ God. Like I said ask the Holy Spirit for guidance and understanding of the bible He will lead you. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 8:46pm On Jun 29, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR: Is a woman a lesser human being than a man? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw74: 12:07am On Jun 30, 2017 |
achorladey: Ha ha that's your weak reply to this: johnw74: you have no answers at all, Just your denial of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and your running away from the issue. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw74: 12:22am On Jun 30, 2017 |
achorladey: That's really laughable, like cap, you don't understand scriptures and their meanings duh, the word was in God's form as in John 1:1, was with and was God ha ha, confused ac, the verse doesn't say Jesus robbed God, but that Jesus didn't think it robbery to be equal to God, in other words Jesus considered Himself equal to God, wow you so duh, no understanding whatsoever. I would explain more to you but you couldn't possibly understand and you wouldn't believe if you could you are hooked in the false jw sect. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw74: 12:32am On Jun 30, 2017 |
achorladey: Php 2:6 is about Jesus being in the form of God, being equal to God you ac in your confusion make up a verse about Jesus being in the form of Jesus and being equal to Jesus such confusion achorladey: 1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. the Churches of the Saints have peace, the church of false jw has confusion you still changing the subject at every oportunity, and running away from the subject that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Saviour you ac cannot say it Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw74: 1:00am On Jun 30, 2017 |
achorladey: @bold, but it's true ac hor ladey, the LOF is the second death for death and hell, which means they will no longer exist: Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. But is it the second death for the fallen angels, is it the second death for humanity that denied the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ satan is thrown into the LOF, not to die but for eternal torment: Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. ^^^ that verse refers to false jw among others of course. you still changing the subject, running away from the issue that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Saviour. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw74: 2:02am On Jun 30, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR: Jesus calling His Father " MY GOD " proved the Father is Jesus God, nothing more, you read and add into scriptures things that are not there, typical of false jw by your reckoning Father calling Jesus " O GOD " would prove Jesus superior it doesn't, it has been shown that Father and the Word, who became Jesus Christ are equal. Father calls the shots and the Word Jesus Christ performs them, that is their way, it is also the way on earth with man, one is foreman, the other carries out his instructions, with two men calling the shots, there would be confusion as in the false jw org. How can the Word have been created, when there is nothing that has been created that He(the Word) didn't create. Joh 1:3 Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists, was made without him. so if Jesus was created as you and ac wrongly say, then Jesus either created Himself or he doesn't exist. you are both so confused, but then you are both false jw. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw74: 8:00am On Jun 30, 2017 |
For those with eyes to see: Hairyrapunzel, OLAADEGBU etc. Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. and those blind to it: acholadey, captivator 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by CAPTIVATOR: 11:00am On Jun 30, 2017 |
saintmark88: They are not equal considering your own hypostatic union, Jesus still has a Body of flesh nature .. Whereas the Almighty Father doesn't have such weak nature ; So you can see both are not the same with Nature /// The nature of God is Spirit, Same with the angels . Using that part is illogical since it would mean angels are equal to God Almighty. practical nonsense Truth has been established, God is Greater in Authority than Christ ( 1 Cor 11:3) 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by CAPTIVATOR: 11:11am On Jun 30, 2017 |
johnw74: So I am addding to the scripture if I said My God is superior to me . if not Superior, Why Call him MY God then ? You need to be reasonable. calling someone MY GOD makes the Person Superior to you. Use your thinking faculty bro ( Proverb 2:11) 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by CAPTIVATOR: 11:36am On Jun 30, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: the context here is " Authority " . Neither are you a lesser human being than The Governor of your state . By Virtue of Authority, he is greater than You , thats the point. ( 1 Cor 11:3) 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by CAPTIVATOR: 11:45am On Jun 30, 2017 |
johnw74: Have you forgotten that Philipians 2:3 Tell each Christian to "regard others as better than and superior to himself"! , Then in verse 5 it says this attitude was in Christ Jesus too and we SHOULD IMITATE his Example. Are you now telling me Christ whose example we want to follow, didnt regard his God has better than , Above and Superior to himself ? 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 2:02pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR: By virtue of nature they are equal |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 2:09pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR: Jesus was not proud. when people called him God or gave him accolades given to God he never cursed them or said they sinned. He even ascribed honour given to only God to Himself read your bible alone and ask the Holy Spirit to give you understanding of the scripture. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 2:12pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR: Jesus is God |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 2:19pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR: The governor and myself are both human beings |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 5:28pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
johnw74:I can easily predict who you are, I know you will run back to your John 1:1 once I typed the post you replied to. The last straw you are hanging onto. Keep it up!!!!!!!! 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 5:38pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR:Johnw74 make do with the advice given by captivator? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by saintmark88(m): 6:07pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
CAPTIVATOR: In authority yes I agree with u.....just as a man in terms if authority is the head of his house.... But by nature nkor.....y r u dodging that part?? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 6:11pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
johnw74: GOD'S WORD Php 2:6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality. Why will Jesus take advantage of what he has already attained since Jesus is the one God? KJV Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Why would a thought of not robbing the position of equality he has already attained come to Jesus mind if indeed he has already attained it. Or perhaps you need a better translation, English Standard Version who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, - Phil 2:6 . The simplest of Jesus mental attitude, The simplest of Jesus mind you are not ready to follow. Haba Johnw74 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 6:20pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
saintmark88:Do you read his response at all. Please do well to define nature let us see how far you can go about that. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 6:36pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:You could have asked yourself, Paul statement, was it made when Jesus was on earth? or was Paul through inspiration was talking about what the mind of Christ was long before he came to the earth to carry out the purpose his father sent him for? When you answer that question you know the context you are referring to. Please define ''mind of Christ'' according to that scriptures. 1 Like |
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