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felixomor:
LMAO
You are not ok
Who told you archeology has not discovered Jesus Christ engraved conins before.?

Please can you provide a source for this?

You are dull sha.
Chaii....

Even at that, so only coins is the reason for your argument......
KingEbukasblog, come and see .......

LOL

From my reply, it should have been apparent that i just wanted to use those coins and sculptures to show you how silly your argument was.
I don't think you know much about history, because of the rubbish you said so i won't waste my time arguing with you on this.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its funny how you call Eusebius a con man because a few historians told you so . But reject the other side who say that the things are valid and true . The truth is skepticism is all about questioning things that don't appeal to us; if something no longer appeals to you then one questions it . You only see what you want to see .

4kings 4kings aka The right hand man of Eusebius . The man who dined with Eusebius and saw him for what he truly is .

I'm making deductions from historical pieces.
I know you won't understand this, just like you can't fathom naijadeyhia's case, or the absurdity behind Pastor Lord chosen miracles.

felixomor:
Do you know what facts are?
No you don't.
If u did u will know that there are multiple certified and confirmed secular historian accounts of Jesus Christ.
There is even more of him than that of Emperor Caesar of Ancient Rome.

Thats fact.
Dig boy?

Is this guy OK at all...
Just the engraving on the roman coins and sculptures of him done by his "CONTEMPORARIES" should show you how silly your argument is.

You better go learn some history, before you start talking nonsense.
If you had mentioned Alexander the Great, you PROBABLY would have had a chance with the point you were trying to make.

pcguru1:
I think there's no need why not just rely on 3rd part system nairaland is a forum. There are tools out there to use , also the concept is nice but in terms of cost and returns it will be a nightmare seun would have to bother about optimizing this as it means additional code and resources used for no gains in return. Hope you get my drift

Ya, i get you..
That's why i said "i hope", cos it would have been a very nice feature.

But the programming spirit here is kinda dead.

felixomor:
Oh good,
So there is no reason to take you or any of your claims seriously.
Finito.

My claims!
These are not claims, there are facts.
I'm telling you facts.

KingEbukasBlog:
This is now an argument by repetition . Repeating Paul was a Gnostic upandan doesn't automatically make him one

Na you sabi, denying the Truth doesn't change the Facts.

felixomor:
u have come too?

Please do have evidence that u r not a con person yourself?
Please give me that evidence

I don't have evidence for that...

So do you

KingEbukasBlog:
This is Arianism you are peddling my dear . Arianism is considered heretical .

Na you sabi.
Paul was a Gnostic, you are the heretic one.

Muafrika2:
Not in my understanding..

~ One is the father
~ Who gives the Kingdom to whoever he wills, and has given it to his son.
~ Even in reference to his death, the scripture say that he struck HIS son.
~ He Sent his only begotten son in John 3:16
~ Christ referred many times to God as His authority in all he did. If you read the life of Christ, he was limited many times by people, circumstances, God. He even fled persecution. Would God?

Hmmm, this is surprising coming from you.
But at least more logical than others.

Na wa for this felixomor guy sef.

BTW,the earliest copy of Testimonium Flavianum(the passage where it is believed Jesus was referenced by Josephus), was from Eusebius(the popular con man).
This should answer the OP question.

Cool, hope Oga Seun can implement this.

Muafrika2:
Good question.

It was a moment of great darkness, which I don't think the bible adequately covered. But you can also notice from the verse that as much as they are one, they are also two definitive entities. Like two parts of the same body. One with more control over the other.

@bolded, So they don't have equal authority?

KingEbukasBlog:
Like I told Kay17 , there are two known theories of time : A and B theory of time . The B theory of time sees time like an illusion - no past , present or future , just timelessness . So from the B-theory of time , this is not a conundrum .

But if you insist that it is then the logical answer is that God become temporal after creating the universe and is timeless without it . I have said this so many times . The creation of the universe is an event that initiated time - I don't see this as a problem though .

Correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i've read about this B-theory so far, i don't see how it support your point as the theory leans towards eternalism.
The cosmological argument first postulation is that: Everything that begins to exist has a cause, right?
Going by the concept of the B-theory, the universe never began to exist, rather past, present and future events are tied together at the same "time".
Though I've not read extensively on this theory, but i think this theory is more philosophical than scientific since there is no way its postulations can be tested empirically unless it is observed outside of time and space.

Before i go on can you explain what you mean by this, so i don't get the wrong idea:

God become temporal after creating the universe and is timeless without it .

otemdomino:
I'm back. Let's continue the controversy. Wilgrea7 what's the proof that I am Kirstyn?

Otem, can you post the screen-shot of your email conversation with Kirstyn?

annnikky:
wrong
Try again

7

hahn:
Is kirstyn's profile still up? I can't seem to find it anymore

Ya, here it is: https://www.nairaland.com/kirstyn
She was last seen at 7:51am this morning.

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U sef dey observe ba.

KingEbukasBlog:
Of course why not ?



According to Hawking , the physical laws predict the universe had a beginning why is he wrong ? Hawking also mentioned reasons why there universe does not existing from an infinite past , can you state why the reasons he gave are wrong ?



I never said I rejected Hawking view that the universe was formed from nothing

Do you know the implication is that the universe could have not been as a result of a contingent action or a causal entity as posited by the kalam cosmological argument for God, because Time began at singularity and there is no time before it.

mrmrmister:
Now you're using "relation" as in "family".
But that wasn't what I asked, I asked what relationship you had with the child, to which you answered: none

True.

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By the way, otemdomino, can you send a screen-shot of your conversation with kirstyn, i'm sure dates and time would also appear, to know if you're indeed innocent of the accusation.

shadeyinka:
If God were to speak to you directly how should He do it; since He isn't fixed by mass, time and space. If He used nature, you will find a scientific explanation against it. If He used Prophets, you will say they speak unscientifically. If He spoke to men before you were born, you will say unless He speaks directly to you too.

Jesus said, "even if someone from the dead will resurrect to preach to them, they would not listen....they have prophets and teachers, let them listen to them!".

It is funny when all negative things in the world is attributed to God...like why didn't God stop the second world war!

If God were to speak to me directly, he should come down reveal himself for the whole world to see and speak.
If the creator of the universe wishes to speak to his creation, then scientific explanation won't be any problem here.
But if someone was to encounter some strange phenomenon and attribute it to God talking to him, if it's explainable then there's a possibility that's it's not God indeed.
God should reveal himself to the whole world at a time and speak his mind, that way everyone will see and believe that there is a conscious higher being.

shadeyinka:
Miracles are products of mortals asking the devine for what is humanly impossible.

He who doesn't know is judged according to his conscience. He who knows and does His will is helped even when he isn't perfect. He who knows His will however and chooses to kill his conscience will be asked some serious questions. LoL

How are we expected to know his will when he never communicated them to us directly?

So the reasons for the starved ones in countries like Mozambique not receiving divine help, is because they don't know his will, right?

shadeyinka:
He doesn't usually and seldoms interfere with the activities of men. It is actually an aberration for Him to interfere. Whenever He does, it is called a Miracle!

If He interferes at will, then He probably can be blamed for all events in the world.

Man decides whether or not he want to start the Third world war: not God

The miracle, is his will, isn't?
He is not meant to interfere even with a single tribe, and abandon the rests, and still assess their actions for judgment(based on what he thinks is right but not well communicated to everyone). That's not just.

shadeyinka:
You know that God seldom interferes: when He does, it is called miracles. Since you have never witnessed any miracles and infact don't believe they exist, let's take it that God never interferes.

Back to the question:
Its a simple question Sir. Would God be guilty of mans actions if He doesn't have a foreknowledge?

Either he completely interferes or not.
If he doesn't then he is not guilty of man's actions.

shadeyinka:
For me to understand you, I need to ask this question:

If God didnt have foreknowledge, but he created everything as it is today, would he still be guilty of the sometimes good and several times wicked actions of men?

That depends on his interference with the universe.

KingEbukasBlog :
According to Stephen Hawking , a renowned cosmologist , physical laws predict the universe had a beginning . He also gave his reasons why the universe indeed has a beginning . I expect you to give your reasons why his reasons for a finite universe are false . Enough of the red herrings .

The same renowned cosmologist, thinks there was nothing before the universe and that time began with the universe at big bang and progressed with expansion.
Do you also agree with this?

The cosmological argument is just a theory, because there is no proof the universe has a beginning for a fact.
Even if you want to go by this logic, then why are you rejecting Hawking's view on time before the universe and accepting only his view on the beginning of the universe. Or do you have a valid reason for this?

shadeyinka:
It is you who who do not understand simply because it doesn't align with the strict physical worldview. I do.

I believe I have explained to you that the creator need a certain trait from His final selection. A worthy creation may have to be born by a wicked parent, hence the wicked parent has to exist for the worthy to manifest.

@bolded, defeats your arguments so far.
I wonder why u don't get it.

No Sir!
The time traveler did NOT create the events. His creatures created events. In other words, The Time Traveller Created people, and people made choices. I have been consistent about this all along.

Creations and Events are different.
Creations are objects events are actions and reactions of these creations.

The Producers of BBNigeria chose Efe, Bisola, TTT and others out of millions of Nigeria. They set the house rules, but the Events were generated by the Housemates.

And YES!
God saw the particular fission of Ovum and Spermatozoa even before the great grand parent were conceived.

Without an initial creation will there be a manifestation of those events?
If no, then the cause of the creation is the cause of the manifestation of the events, simple logic.

And the producers of BBNaija does not have foreknowledge of the outcome of their production, so stop using that example.

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I really think this will still get no where, so i'll let you be with your belief.

AnonyNymous:
Lots of stuff lol. Music, or something that has to do with Tourism, anything lol. Music especially though

Ya, i knew it would be Music.

AnonyNymous:
Sucks as much as accounting does for you lol. Ok, maybe not as much because I still find a few aspects interesting. But I'd rather be doing something else with my time/life lol

like?

AnonyNymous:
I feel you. Funny thing is, in the end its your passion that'll eventually earn you a living

Hw is civil engineering?

shadeyinka:
Its almost impossible for both of us to agree on this, simply because our frame of reference are totally different.

You have a single frame of reference: the physical
And for you, nothing exists outside the physical

I have two frame of references: the physical AND the spiritual

I do not deny Physical laws BUT I also understand the rhelm of the spirit. For me, the spiritual is as real as the physical is real.

Usually, you want me to prove the spiritual with the physical: an impossibility. For the physical is a trinity of mass, space and time but the spiritual is a complex conjugate.

You want to define God in terms of mass, space and time, BUT my God exists outside mass, space and time. Like, the creator/inventor of a computer must exist outside the computer.

I guess the limitlessness of God with reference to time (foreknowledge), is unacceptable to you: but then, your world view is strictly physical, hence you cannot understand. Just like it is impossible for a human being to visualize a space of more than 3 dimensions.

So you choose to believe in what you can't understand and what's an impossibility in your physical existence.
I don't really have a problem with this, you are free to choose.

But why is there judgment for people that choose to reject what they don't understand, is that not unjust?

In other words, if I can travel to the year 2030 and playback the movie of your life till today 28/04/2017. Then, I shadeyinka have a complete foreknowledge of every decision you will ever take up to 2030. And, it is impossible for you to confuse me:why? I have even seen your attempt of confusing me and I know what you will end up doing. Scarry?

That is the meaning of foreknowledge of God.

The fact that I could travel to 2030 did not in anyway in far that I Predestined your activities.

I do not expect you to agree with this nor to believe. No! But understand what I believe. QED. (Like I understand that Hindus see the cow as their mother).

You keep cherry picking points.
You've excluded the fact that the time traveler is also the Creator of these events.

So, God saw that particular fusion even before the parents were born.

Yes.

AnonyNymous:
Wise thing to do

Why 'unfortunately' though? Btw I was expecting you to say something like computer science/engineering based on the posts you share

Ya, i'm into computer programming and 3d design.

I don't like Accounting because it's boring.

AnonyNymous:
Lol must be hard being an atheist-deist and having to cringe through night vigils of people rolling on the floor, praying and screaming their lungs out what course/program btw?

Well, no compulsory church for us but we have our own issues as well, lol.

I'm used to it already.
I just keep my mouth shut and talk to the right people, so i won't enter wahala.

I'm in Accounting department unfortunately.

AnonyNymous:
Whooaa, are you in CU?

Yep.

I know you are in Afe babalola.
You guys don't experience this bs.