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annnikky:
Yea.... Missed u guyz

Missed ya too

annnikky:
Hw many fingers did u c there?

Yayyyyy, u back

KingEbukasBlog:
You are working on presumptions - you felt you had the Holy Spirit . So after your transition to deism , did ever think "what if I never had the Holy Spirit and I was only inveigled to question my faith by the devil ? " I think all you needed was spiritual guidance from the Church or Chaplaincy. And you failed to get that .

Ya, "the devil", i always considered that, but i let it go eventually.
Probably i didn't get enough spiritual guidance, but i still haven't gotten anything reasonable.
Still read my bible though, from the Gnostic point of view.

The point is that when the time comes, it turns out to be true every time .

I will get back on this, after u've completed that other research i told you to.

To a deist , morality is intrinsic - ingrained by God . So God still remains the source .

Ok.
The fact that atheists don't believe life has a purpose, does not mean that they don't have conscience or reason in the path of morality. An atheist can't butcher his kid simply because life has no purpose. You dig?

KingEbukasBlog:
You've been no where bro . If you have had the Holy Spirit , no modicum of doubt will come to mind because there is that divine assurance .

At first i had no doubt.
But when i kept listening to messages and doing some personal study, (still having a christian view then,) i found out that most of the doctrines i accepted as right were inconsistent or i get fresh "rhema" (like on universalism, purpose, or the other thread currently goin on about speaking in tongues and so on).
Consequently, i would think (1corinthians 2:9-10) was taking effect in my life and i would sometimes tell myself, "4kings, you were wrong, and the holyspirit is making his words clearer to you and having a deeper relationship with you", but the thought of me having conviction on a previous subject matter and also considering the fact that i thought i was inspired by the holyspirit, was hugely part of what made me later start questioning christian doctrines(testing the spirit) and eventually not accepting the core christian beliefs.

Another wonderful thing about having the Holy Spirit is clairvoyance , sometimes .

Faith sometimes makes u see what is not there, no matter your religion.

Its gratuitous to ask for his opinion since he fails to acknowledge the source of morality which is God . The atheist believes life has no purpose , no meaning and that good and evil do not exist in reality and they are just human constructs that can evolve as time goes on .

The source of morality to a deist is not God.
So wetin u dey yarn?

This is redolent of that popular project fame video .

*Singing : I dont wana go there

I thought u wont get it

KingEbukasBlog:
The best way to understand what it means to have the Holy Spirit is to actually have the Holy Spirit . When you experience the Holy Spirit yourself then you can have the best understanding of how He works .

Been there, but i still had that question in mind, but i let it slide cos of "Faith".
And u still haven't given a reasonable answer.

Didn't I just ask you to explain what good and evil is to a deist . You don forget

I'm still waiting for Sarrassin to explain what good and evil is to a pantheist

Freethinkers would most likely subscribe to secular morality

So why don't you ask an atheist on his opinion of good and evil?

You asked for my opinion and this is your response ? Anyway , the intelligent robot has freewill , and the creator isn't culpable for the robot's actions because freewill is not concerned with the consequence of your actions . So if the robot does something bad , it is not flagitious to deactivate the robot forever .

Right, not torture.

The same way God gave humans freewill and shouldn't be blamed for the evil man does . And is right to punish the errant human for his aberration .

I don't wanna go down there

So why did Jesus commit suicide ?

Anyway , Jesus is the best example of predestination . Jesus' death was predestined as to recourse to save man from the wrath of God .

Finally, this was why he committed SUICIDE

KingEbukasBlog:
With the Holy Spirit , there is divine guidance , there is the conviction of sin , you abominate sin or immoral life, enthusiasm in doing God's work etc .

This is not satisfactory. Every christian(even most irreligious guys) should know this.
Stop being evasive, do u seriousy not understand what i'm getting at?

Atheism blatantly rejects the nature of good and evil because it believes the source of morality which is God does not exist . So they let authorities to decide what's good or evil (societal laws/secular morality ) or decide themselves (subjective morality )

Before i go further on this, what would u say about deism, pantheism or freethinking in general.

Freewill is not concerned with the consequence of one's actions . Freewill is about having choices , like an untrammeled life . You are free to do whatever you want but you should be ready to face the consequence of your actions be it good or bad .

God's sovereignty comes into play in cases of predestination .

How exactly did Jesus commit sin

Suicide!!!

So you decided to stress me , well done oo

KingEbukasBlog:
Yeaahhh , true . Ok , outline all the questions you want to me answer , excluding the search - I'll get back to you specially on that one .

https://www.nairaland.com/3220590/questions-god-bible-christianity-bring/25#50934995

https://www.nairaland.com/3220590/questions-god-bible-christianity-bring/26#50949382

Your opinion on this too; https://www.nairaland.com/3220590/questions-god-bible-christianity-bring/21#48907190

https://www.nairaland.com/3220590/questions-god-bible-christianity-bring/22#49190168

Outline not

KingEbukasBlog:
Androgyny is related to sexes involving humans

U've not answered my questions, including the feedback of the search u were supposed to do

KingEbukasBlog:
The Supreme Being is genderless and cannot have any sexual urge since It does not have biological compositions .

Na u sabi
It could be androgynous

promise10:
is this not deceit?

I know that it may be discovered. but what do you think in a case where the something is contradicting our currently discovered physical laws like what happenned before big bang. because for it to be discovered in the future, it will be discovered with the basis of the laws we have now.

now, how do you think that for example what happened before big bang will be Discovered by a basic contradicting scientific law?

First of all, there are alternatives to the Big bang theory like the 'Quasi-Steady State theory', 'Conformal Cyclic Cosmology theory', Simulation and many others.

We dont know for sure if the laws behind the origin of the universe is incompatible with what we know now.

sukkot:
the story of adam and eve is an allegorical story. its true to an extent. but if you asking me if the world started 6000 years ago with adam and eve as the first created beings ? nah thats not true. even the bible tells you so. there is world history dating back to 10,000 years and beyond

I want to see your explanation of the object of this allegory.

sukkot:
oh the word comes before the man. hence why you are instructed not to make any graven images

I wanted you to state it explicitly.

Anyway, do u also think that the story of "Adam and Eve" is also a state of consciousness like other gnostics?

lordnicklaus:
All gods are man made and this is known from the fact that all deities assume attributes dictated by people who revere them.

The jewish for example, were portrayed miserable and stubborn in scriptures of their own god, while would sane people dictate ill-will for themselves?

I could easily make up a god and call it a god of hail and fire.

Sure, a god can be a perceived supernatural being worshiped
That does not make it have supernatural powers, its/his actions does. So you can always encounter scams, that does not rule out the existence of supernatural beings.

That a god exists should be seen in the fact that it is independent of people's dictatorship.

Sure, that's why u are to strive for higher consciousness to know that which the creator desire of you.

If we feel that gods created this complex cosmos by only basing our arguments on its incomprehensible complexity, then we must remember that gods are beings of complex nature and this should compel us to question the origin of gods. cc johnydon22 valentinemary 4kings

You just made valid statements(@bolded), so why do u intend to comprehend the incomprehensible?

sukkot:
well Jesus is the word of God so yes it is a point of understanding. and then when that word takes over your life is it said that the word became man. so yeah its a point of understanding. a celestial point of understanding

Therefore Jesus is a state of Gnosis or consciousness.
Meaning an Historical figure is irrelevant, right?

sukkot:
multidimensional is someone who sees the spiritual world just as well as they see the physical world. paradigm change is a new way of doing things on earth. like a new age. the age of pisces or the age of aquarius etc. age of pisces will be a righteous era when the laws statutes and commandments of GOD is controlling the world and morality is very high. thats one paradigm. right now ? the world is in decadence. thats another paradigm. get rich or die trying. people worship money. morality is at an all time low. women have lost total control of their divine purpose etc

Hmmm,
As a gnostic what do u believe about the role of Jesus.
Is he just a point of understanding or more.

sukkot:
gnostic ? meaning possessing esoteric knowledge of spiritual matters ? yes I am gnostic. do i know joshua tilgman ? nah never heard of him

Now i get u, Joshua tilgman also talks more on esoteric knowledge. http://www.spiritofthescripture.com/

But what do u mean by multidimensional beings and paradigm change?

sukkot:
ahhh escathology. gotta tell you bro, the manifestation of the christ energy is the existence of multidimensional beings who can exist in parallel dimensions simultaneously. meaning their spiritual eye is open. thats what the return of Christ looks like and not some white guy coming down from the sky. i wouldnt call it eschatology, more like a running commentary on the different dimensions of events taking place. escathology points to a final point. there are no final points. life goes on forever. what some term as the end of the world is simply a paradigm change. the fall of one empire and the rise of another. the introduction of a new paradigm

I'm not quite clear, are u Gnostic?
Do u know Joshua Tilgman?

sukkot:
and what are your conclusions my kind Sir

I don't subscribe to eschatology but have an open mind.

LabaekaAdesoji:
If God is responsible for the actions of men, then its unfair to punish men for there sins.

Exactly

Sweet

hahn:
I can already predict his response

Let me see what he comes up with

wiegraf:
You've just admitted there most likely is a designer. You may choose to name it such, but I would use a much more forward term: god

So, as you can see, likely thereisgodoh

Ya, i never dispute that point

Subscribe to video tutorials, that's easier as you can see what your tutor is doing while he explains, if u dont go well with pdfs.

What language do u intend to start with?, if u dont really have any in mind, i would reccommend "Python", as it syntax are easily readable

KingEbukaNaija:
Its the truth brother . And how is that pathetic

What did u mean by this; "According to their atheistic views , there is no good , there is no evil"
What would you say for deism, pantheism and other unbelievers?


Atheism is simply the disbelief in God, what does it have to do with good or bad?

wiegraf:
Goot

Now, if you accept that this is likely a simulation, then what would the being who's running the simulation qualify as?

A Designer

sukkot:
simply put ? the election was a charade and a facade. obama is not leaving office. he will do a third term. this election was a ritual

I've been observing your posts.
Still Observing ... ... ...

@KingEbukaNaija

This was one of the most pathetic answers;

https://www.nairaland.com/3220590/questions-god-bible-christianity-bring/4#47586030

KingEbukaNaija:


As a deist , what is nature of good and evil , what is good and what is evil ?

Dependent on individual or societal reasoning.

klassykute:
Shae if u teach her dey will kill u ni? or AF all d adult schools relocated to American

Succint

KingEbukaNaija:
Scroll up

I saw it already, that's why i didn't refute your claim. But it's not absolute.

Amen!!!

KingEbukaNaija:
Animals can give consent .

Hmmm