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KingEbukasBlog:
Some people are predestined to make heaven but no one is predestined for hell . The truth is not everyone has free will . Some people must follow a particular course for God's divine purpose . That' s my opinion . Objections are welcomed though .

Why do u say some people are not predestined for hell?

4everGod:
The otemanuduno fellow is a monumental embarrassment to all things sensible.

Says Einstein.
Mtcheew

KingEbukasBlog:
So where's your evidence that your God is anthropomorphic ?

Based on reason

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro , read the OP on why I reject evolution . Plus macro evolution is impossible , no evidence remember ?

Ok

Kingebukasblog kilo4sure winner01 and all
What do u think?

KingEbukasBlog:
you got that from religion right ?

You are annoying
U knw DAT right

honourhim:
Not exactly. The way i see it is this-
God wants to create a world where beings who will have the ability to make choices will inhabit. The choice they will make is between good and
evil. Whatever choice anyone makes, he faces the consequences. From the inception of your life he forsees you and how you will make your choice.
The part of the warning is- why will he warn us if he has already structured us to make a particular choice?
Where i think both of us have different ideologies is the part of God structuring us to make the choices that we will make.

Anyway you ve made some good points in your submissions so far and might be right.

Ok.
Let me see the outcome of your thread.
Its been a nice convo.

honourhim:
So man should do whatever he likes and he doesnt care?

Precisely

KingEbukasBlog:
You are now incorporating religious views about the creator to yours . Is your God anthropomorphic ?

Yep.

KingEbukasBlog:
Fossil fuels - the purpose of creating those life forms millions of years ago . .

lol
Just accept its evolution already.
Since Yahweh, is a God of purpose.
Also you Christians say Yahweh is not a magician, and faith requires process or time, then why won't u accept the fact that the process here is\mightbe evolution.

urchcoded:
Hey peeps, I've never posted anything on NL but reading my bible open mindedly yesterday i came across the account of creation in Genesis... My question now is how come there was an evening and morning from day 1.... Since the sun, moon and stars were created only on the fourth day... ##confused##

According to the bible:
God made the light, separated it from the darkness. He called the light Day and Darkness Night. (Morning and Evening)

On the fourth day he just created the sun and moon to rule the day and night.

honourhim:
It seems you ve forgotten some of the areas we touched in this discussion.

Predestination is one of the things you raised and i explained to you my views about predestination and gave instances of my biblical reasons for it.
I talked about God's foreknowledge and you gave me instances of Moses and Abraham and his children as predestination. I explained to you how the instances you gave falls under foreknowledge. I also have maintained that we have freedom of choice but we cant choose not to suffer the consequences of our chosen act. I mentioned the case of lucifer and God's foreknowledge about his fall and that of man. I'm wondering what i said here that is different from my position about God having foreknowledge about us or my position about our freedom of choice.
God having foreknowledge of our life from beginning to the end does not mean he planned it to be as it is. Except you are telling me that predestination and foreknowledge means the same thing to you.
Foreknowledge of our beginning to the end of course means that he knows how we will end but it doesnt mean that he planned it to be so since he already gave us the freedom to make our choices. This means he knows the redeemed.
Again you tried to clarify me that predestination may not apply to everything about a person of which i said i dont rule you out.

Let's analyse this: according to you, **Foreknowledge of our beginning to the end of course means that HE KNOWS how we will END but it doesnt mean that he PLANNED it to be so since he already gave us the FREEDOM to make our CHOICES. This means HE KNOWS the redeemed.**

Yahweh has foreknowledge: this means he has THOUGHT about it, right?
Then he ACTUALISES his THOUGHT, by creating the universe and all its inhabitants.
We have also established the fact that he has foreknowledge of the END, 'HE KNOWS how we will END' - according to you.
Predestination simply means assigning for a particular use or purpose. Now the purpose here is his 'thought' and the assignment is his 'actualisation of this thought', not so?

It seems u are concentrating on the warnings and promises he gave to men, but with what I've said we can establish also that 'it is part of his purpose', because he has THOUGHT of it beforehand. You dig?

honourhim:
No conversion intended but we need to discuss this your God. Except you dont have confidence in him yet to be out to discuss about him.

I believe in a creator who doesn't interfere in man's action (Deism)

adoyi8:
it's just like having a father who abandoned you, telling people you dont have a father or insulting him wont have a consequence because he cant stop paying your school fees and cant stop feeding you since he doesnt do it in the first place. having a father who abandoned you= having no father. I hate it when i explain basic things to theists.

According to ur explanation, we still have a father.
But in this case he doesn't interfere in man's actions.

KingEbukasBlog:
ummm ...all right ... cool



Alright then ... let's go on

Why have you ruled out the possibility of your God being prescient ? He could have foreknowledge of the future but that it not mean he intervenes in the universe . You dig ?

Yeah, I considered that too.
But if I believe in a creator, then I believe based on the attributes of what he created(4rm concept of bible God's image), that he also has emotions, feelings, ...., meaning he also anticipate and get excited about things.

After considering all this, I just came to the conclusion that he can't be that boring and that he created the universe to stir up emotions, anticipate or cause excitement.
I am not ruling out the possibility that he can't predestine or have foreknowledge if he wants to, but that he chooses not to. [My own philosophical thought].

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro that means you are trying to incorporate panentheistic views about God into yours . Panentheism asserts that God is the soul of the universe and what happens when the soul dies ? The universe dies . In your case , the demise of your God will lead to the cessation of universe's existence because God is its source .

You are a panendeist . Lol

But bro remember . You said you don't agree that

1. God is omnipotent . Doesn't it make him vulnerable to any form of attack ? That makes I could kill your God if I decipher what keeps him alive

2. God is omniscient : There is a possibility I could outwit him

I know I incorporated pantheism ideology, but that is my view to address the result of his nonexistence to the existence of the universe.
Remember (all this are my opinions not assertion s), I said 'like' equating it to his mind(which I said I can't comprehend).
I not sure how to put this but, here; God has his own separate thought(deistic), which means separate from the universe, but the existence of the universe is dependent(pantheistic) on his existence(again my opinion)

Addressing the other stuff:
Omniscience: you can't outsmart what u've and cannot meet, but I said he is not omniscience to go against the theistic view of foreknowledge, predestination and all those other theistic views.

Omnipotent: I'm not sure and therefore can't make any assertion cos I can't comprehend this being, [remember the omnipotent paradox].



Note that in previous convo I told u I was giving my opinion, and not making assertions of things I can't comprehend.

mcemmy0z:
His name is yakub,also known has Yahweh, Yahweh means the bringer of light race, or the god of light race.
They were all alone in this world then and they never experience what's call evil, we all believe god knows good and eveil, for them to know it more they have to experience it, that's what bring about the creation of the white race.
6000 elders which Yahweh was there leader decide to create them out of the black body, it took them 7 generations to complete this work which lastest for 7000 years.
Free will was given to them, we taught them what they know today, you know, no matter how much you try to please a man he will always bring out his nature in later end.
Are we not experiencing the evil today, they are doing what we created them for.

The white race have one mind all together which is the mind of Yahweh.
But we as a black have our own mind, out Of the 1b8m Gods.

For you to connect to the first self, is not an easy journey, there are lot of rituals and initiation you have to do, starting from your young age. You have to gain a knowledge about this world, ...try and know your self first.
It was possible those period when we live up to 700 years even more than that, but know we die at an infant stage, 90,100,120,..
You have to connect with your ancestors memory first, with this you are just a step ahead.

I don't have to mention names, blacks are waking up now, and people are coming out, we are many but one together. When you see them you will know them.

Wowww!
Is Yahweh(yakub) and the elders same as God & angels or humans. If there are humans, then who created them?

What rituals and initiation do u have to do?, is this similar to Chi.

Do u have any idea how the whites(there were obviously not more in numbers than blacks during creation from ur explanation), dominated the blacks?

Sharaaaaaap

KingEbukasBlog:
Then this incongruous with the definition . Because deism says God does not intervene with the universe that is after creation there is no relationship he has with the universe . So the corollary of your God's demise shouldn't be the cessation of the universe . What I'm saying is that the existence of the universe is independent of the existence of your God . Am I wrong ? If I am , show me . Thanks .

Well, some deist believe God is completely separate from the universe, but I don't agree. I believe God 'IS', and the universe is just like equating it to his Mind.
Just like Descartes said, I think therefore I am, the mind of God(which I can't comprehend, though) is the source of reality.
Therefore no God, no universe.
I don't know if I've explained myself well, but I think you get.

excellencyabia1:
When romans 12:1-2 have been applied

'Not conformed to this world' - meaning....?
'Renewing of mind'.....how?

KingEbukasBlog:
Will his end lead to the cessation of the universe ?

Hypothetically, yes as he is the source of all reality

KingEbukasBlog:
Wait oo ... Do you think your supernatural creator will have an end . No beginning but an end . You get ?

Nope, no end.

Mckayce:
PLEASE guys what is API
.
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..// Pardon my ignorance
please i do cone across this term API , what is it .. please explain like as if you are explaining to a learner..
STating examples to JAVA and PHP...
THANKS in advance

I don't really know java or anything abt php, I am a Python guy.
API is like an intermediary that links two softwares.
Just like your Samsung phone getting info from a GPS company, through the GPS app.
Or u reaching out to nairaland through Google.
I hope that's simple enough.

KingEtienneSky:
Kindly refer to the above.

Kindly refer to ebuka's comment

KingEtienneSky:
Except I was talking about there being no difference in consequences...

The consequences will be; no universe, no you, no realm.

KingEtienneSky:
The existence of a non-interventionist creator God MAKES NO DIFFERENCE..... It's of the same consequence as there being no God. You might as well believe in No God at all.....

Did u read what u wrote, how can a noninterventionist Creator equate 'there is no God'?

KingEtienneSky:
Deism is superflous....

Explain what u mean

mcemmy0z:
To remind us who we are...the white race came out from us, many didn't know that,
To remind us that we are god, the 1billion8million gods that create this world.
To remind black people how long they have lost.
To give us hope, to show use how to love one another, we ain't many we are just one all of us in unity
To remind us a lot of things..any part that won't favour the non black won't be count,
The truth are coming out small small..their reigning period is over, ours just began.

OK

mcemmy0z:
Yes, there own Messiah is yaweh, he created them some hundred of years ago, but they don't know who he is, if they know they will never accept the truth.. it depend on yaweh to save them or not, they are his creatures.

*some hundred of years ago*, woww, who is this Yahweh, and why did he create them?

mcemmy0z:
You don't need prove to know that if someone is in his sate of his mind, fully aware of him self, connected with his first self which is the true god, he will do more than miracle, many of then walked in our mist for thousand years, they have record of them in all culture and tribe in Africa, people like sango, abatala, etc.

Woww, so u are Gnostic, that's interesting.

mcemmy0z:
Is not the non black that paint magic as something evil and wicked, it would have been common around us, is part of science our ancestors practice then… all black man /women are gods and we are all powerful people but the process of life we live today dis-power us. Until you connect back to your first self with is the true God then you can be like Jesus or yaweh

How do u connect to ur 'first self', is this similar to Chi Energy?
Can't the white also connect back to their 'first self'?, if not why?, if so then we are all gods(white or black), right?

In this modern era, can u mention some names that follow this ideology(I.e those that are connected to their 'first self')
Also how did we loose this 'first self'?.

hopefulLandlord:
Bros, I'm not saying you're tryna win

But its hard if not impossible to separate predestination from foreknowledge

That's the point, nobody "knows"

NB: the verse ain't false, but since I can't remember it specifically, I'll let that slide

Enjoy

I think the verse might be proverbs25:2:
'It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but the honour of kings to search out a matter'

honourhim:
Nope. like i said when we started this discussion, it is the world that is predestined to be a place of good and evil. Man is not predestined for good or for bad rather he is given the ability to choose which side of the divide to be..The redemption plan is there for those who may CHOOSE to be redeemed back to good(righteousness) from bad. Thats the point i ve been making

Haaaaa, you said that an omin-potent\science god knew Lucifer will fall, which has caused the nature of the story from Genesis to Jesus death(redemption plan), is it not rational to also say that the redeemed are already known, just like Lucifer ?
Damnn, I hope I'm not d confused one, please reread the discussion so far.

honourhim:
Yea, thats what is also contained in the scripture. And of course no one can create with the sole aim of pleasing what he will create. The very first interest that brings up the idea for you to create is not to please what you will create. So God's very first interest for creating us cannot be to please us first rather to please himself first, then us.

Damnn, if u say now that the sole aim of the creator is to first please himself, then how can u be so sure that his creations have not been predestined, for his purpose ?

honourhim:
Maybe or may not be. And if it is, then thats it. Mine is to always choose the good side(righteousness).

Againnn, if ur reply to this is 'maybe or maybe not', why then are u certain about his purpose?

honourhim:
Ok thats your opinion. My position is different.

Yea, and my opinion is only logical.

honourhim:
Yea you said it . Now tell me about this your God.

Haba!, shey u no like Yahweh again abi, u won covert ?

Abeg it be like say u won confuse me, so b4 replying, please read again the convo so far .

honourhim:
Infact lets start from Lucifer period. God knew before hand that lucifer will fall and still went ahead to create him. God also knew that man will fall and still went ahead to create him. The scripture talked about Christ as the lamb of God slain from the FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
The shows that the redemption plan for man was made from the Beginning of the creation of this world.
For him to have gone ahead to allow things go on despite foreseeing it shows he wants it that way for some reasons we may quess.

Which means the fate of every being has already taken place(technically), no matter their actions it leads them to their fate, which is what i've been saying since.

honourhim:
What if God being a creator possesses the attribute to create both what he likes and what he hates- i.e. good and evil, positive and negative, strong and weak etc. as it appears to be?
And if we should be shocked at the above poser, then the next question willl be- who defines what God should posses and what he should not possess in order to be God? is it we the created? I mean do we have the right to say because Gof allowed so and so things he doesnt qualofy to be God?
Does God even want us to see him as one who will not allow evil on us because he loves us? If he wanted that he wouldnt have created any being that will bring evil into the world in the first place.

Exactly, from my understanding of the bible, this is how i see your God, one who does as he pleases(no offence).

honourhim:
And in line with his attributes to create good and evil, what if one of his attribute include creating a place of total punishment for beings who ends up in evil and a place of total comfort for beings who end up good?
These are some of the questions i do ponder in my hearts. Kindly share you opinion.

I am glad u are openminded, based on that, this life is just like an entertainment to Yahweh.

I really don't have any more opinion on Yahweh than the ones you already know, which is:
Since he is omni-potent\science, then fates have already been decided, and freewill is an illusion.

But hey, i don't believe in Yahweh

mcemmy0z:
Everything already change before he came, most of the knowledge were already gone then. The knowledge of ourselves, for thousand of years people have rose up like Jesus, both in Muslims case too, Moses was one of them. And some are still rising today to show the world the secret that has been kept away for years.

OK

mcemmy0z:
During those period, the non black were already with us, and they v been in charge since, Egypt was just like what America is today, people all over the world came there to learn and gain more knowledge and before the downfall the non black were already dominating.

So the reminder was......?

mcemmy0z:
Yes, they ain't part of the plan, the non black,
It was manipulation, not all were changed, some part were coined to suit their purpose, … Jesus wasn't in his lowest form which we are today that's why he could do all those things he did.
When you fully discover yourself and set yourself from religious and mental slavery then your journey begins.
Am still learning, and I will keep learning until I get to that stage. That stage that I will be fully in charge of my self.

So does the white have their own Messiah(s), or are they out of God's plan?
Again if the information was manipulated, how can u know for sure that this man performed miracles, what if it was about a different thing entirely?

Are u Gnostic?

mcemmy0z:
Yes he came, the bible painted him the messiah, he's not even the first to come and he won't be the last.
Just for the non black to controll us they edit and re-edit the truth, even the bible confirm his black. Revelation 1:15

What do u mean by he is not the first and won't be the last to come?

mcemmy0z:
He cam for the black people to remind them who they are., all these knowledge are lost today but most are still kept save with our elders.

*to remind the black people who they are*, but during those days, the Egyptians and Hebrews were all blacks, so what's reminder?

mcemmy0z:
Yes he perfromed a lot of miracles, because he was with his higher self, you too can do more than that cause you are a black man. We are not bound or hold my any natural laws.

Are the whites exempted?
If u say that the information of this man was manipulated, then how can u know for sure that he performed miracles?
Have u done more than he did since you are not bound by natural laws?

mcemmy0z:
Op... you will never find any evidence about Jesus expect the bible. Jesus did exist both not as the Bible claim. His name was change to Jesus, he was just somebody like you and I.
.... the Bible as been modify many times to fit their need [those in charge of religious ].
Every record in that Bible is true but it has been mixed with lies.
Jesus was a black man, not that thing they claim he was.

So was he the promised Messiah and did the black man perform miracles?
Besides what makes u think he existed at all.