ibkayee:

Let's be honest. Black men are at the bottom of the socio economic ladder on average, why would the group of women with the highest social currency (white privilege plays in here because I'm not even saying they deserve it, but that's just how things are) be chasing after the men with the lowest? White woman average are not rushing after black men for anything serious. Are there are a portion oyibo women who go for them despite this? Sure, but definitely not the majority or even that many in the grand scheme of things. I’d also like to clarify that there’s a difference between being open to dating someone and coveting them as whole, the latter just isn’t true, we can agree to disagree lol.

And black women are at the top... Calm down nah...

ibkayee:

Skimmed the article, one of the links doesn’t work, as for the one that does…a study done in the US found that 22% of all black male newlyweds in 2008 married outside their race.

I don’t find this number farfetched, but I didn’t see anything about how much of this percentage involves oyibos. Let’s assume they account for 15%, this isn’t really disproving anything I said.

15% isn’t painting a picture of white women generally rushing black men. I didn’t say white women and black men do not have long term relationships at all, a potion of white women marrying black men is not necessarily the same thing as average white women as a collective coveting the black man for a serious relationship. I think you’re mixing up points.


We’re talking about what the average white woman goes after, not the black/african man’s preference so this is irrelevant.


I didn’t say black men only fulfil fantasies, I said that for the most part, black men are not generally on the average oyibo woman’s radar, they may not be averse to you but unless they’re trying to satisfy a fantasy because of stereotypes, you are not first on their lists for someone to be claiming they’re rushing you lol, as far as a serious relationship.

Lol I don’t know anything about your personal life, but you telling me they’re hitting on you isn’t really disproving what I’m saying either, I don’t know what their intent was but I know hitting on someone usually means someone’s trying to make sexual advances.


Lol for the last time, I’m not saying no white woman digs black men. They just aren’t necessarily rushing them for any serious on average.

Your article referenced an okcupid study so I’ll do the same for a similar year, this is one from 2009. Picture is attached and as you can see it is not supporting this rushing black man narrative, from 2009 to 2014. (Admittedly black men are not a monolith so this is not a great representation of all black men but since you referenced it first...)

"Five years ago, the basics of race and attraction on OkCupid looked like this:
men
— non-black men were less likely to start conversations with black women
— while black men showed little racial preference either way
women
— all women preferred men of their own race
— but they otherwise were less likely to start conversations with both Asian and black men
Here’s how the exact person-to-person numbers looked:"

Also, ‘black men’ in the context of the article is most likely referring to an African American majority, not ‘Nigerians’, lool you may technically be black but you are still very different groups of people, so I cannot just ‘change black to Nigerian’ because they aren't interchangeable as simply as that, the article does not represent Nigerians lool. Oyibo women are NOT rushing for Naija men lmao, stop it.

Link to reference theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060

You're confusing black men and NIGERIAN MEN... Clearly I explained Nigerian men.... But was too tired last night to edit post

ibkayee:

Lol it's not a competition though, I don't see Nigerian women clenching onto white men's 'approval' the way I've seen Nigerian men do it

No one is even approving black women though..

SIRTee15:


Trust me I'm not here to throw banter against women or denigrate women folks.....
I don't do that...I respect black women......

I just wanted a honest answer to the rampant population of mixed race in UK...

B4 I arrived here, I used to think inter racial marriage is just a one off thing, used by desperate immigrants to attain settlements....
But result on ground shows otherwise....
I don't think white women drools over black male, but I think they are very much open to dating black men....

Go to youtube and watch public videos seeking women opinion on which nationality has the pengest boys..
most women- black, white, yellow, brown, Arabs etc all voted for Jamaican guyz- black male.....

However, I disagree black men are the bottom of socio economic ladder....
Recent statistics show nigerian Americans are among most successful and top 10 percentile high income earners in usa....more than whites....
The narrative is also changing in UK....we are no longer the lowest income earners....
And with the influx of African professionals into NHS, IT industry and financial sectors....
The future trajectory looks good....

I told her... Before you see a white couple in London, you'll see 10 half and half... And when you eventually see a white couple, they're over 60 years...

ibkayee:

Lool I usually make a distinction between homebased Africans, those who are ethnically African but raised abroad (2nd gens will come under this, though technically British they still have parents who were born in their homeland so their upbringing will reflect this which is why I wanted to make a distinction between them and a Black Brit) and then the Black Brit/Others (could be carribean, mixed etc, maybe even some third gens etc) black people.

Difference to me is not necessarily the names (although this can sometimes be an indicator) or even physical appearance. It's usually culture, ideologies, upbringing, identification etc. They may all originate from the same place but they were socialised/raised in different ways, there are certain ways that a homebased may think and act that a guy raised abroad may not and vice versa.

Also, in the context of this discussion, an Oyibo’s experience with ‘black people’ is generally more likely going to be with the ‘abroad’ black community, rather than say a community that is more representative of those who are homebased, the same could even be said between two different countries in Africa for example, but I digress.

So if they’re referring to ‘black people’ (since people have a habit of clumping all black together even though there are so many distinct groups within it with our own unique differences), they are more than likely referring to the ones they live in close proximity to, they are not thinking about Nigerians, Kenyans, Egyptians etc.

I made this distinction people folks on here were acting like when there’s a discussion about black people as a whole, Naija is who they particularly have in mind, when it’s not that straightforward. They may be a part of the conversation merely by skin association, but folks on here were acting like they were at the forefront.

One question, when did you move to England...? You're raking up all these numbers and your just an immigrant as well...

iPopAlomo:



And black women are at the top... Calm down nah...

Lol I dunno if this is just you deflecting but nobody said we were, we aren’t claiming to be getting rushed like naija men. Black womenswear have absolutely nothing to do with this convo lol

iPopAlomo:



One question, when did you move to England...? You're raking up all these numbers and your just an immigrant as well...

Lmao I was born and bred in England, I’ve hever actually lived in Nigeria

iPopAlomo:



You're confusing black men and NIGERIAN MEN... Clearly I explained Nigerian men.... But was too tired last night to edit post

If we swap black men for ‘Nigerian’ men the ‘stats’ you post actually become more redundant since it was based on a majority black American population. Not ‘Nigerians’. And I’ve clearly noted the differences between them

chic2pimp:


To summarize, in your opinion a Black Brit is an individual whose ancestry goes all the way back(you'll have to trace it really)or those that have fully acclimated to the british way of life? That means there would only be a handful of them then as most Black British Families came in during the wind rush era or the 70s/80s and the majority of them still live in small communities scattered all over the country. You'd have to go way back to the Slave trade Era to find Real True Black Brits. IMO second Generation Black people of African/Carribean descent fall under the Black British category. You and I for example.



I hear that and I 100% agree. For instance I can more often than not tell the difference between a Second Gen Ghanian and say a Second Gen Trini.



Whilst I agree that an Oyinbo person's experience with Black people is generally going to be from the perspective of an "Abroad Based" community, by your definition, that still falls under the British African/Carribean category not the Black British one. Upward Social Mobility is the Main reason why Black Families move into White areas and seeing that upward mobility is more prevalent amongst 1st and 2 Gen Afro/Carribean Migrants,they are likely to meet their fair share of people from these Sub Group.



There is a reason why I tend not to get myself involved in this sort of debate. As you can see I specifically asked for the difference between a "Black Brit" and a "British Nigerian" not a "British Nigerian" and a "Nigerian Freshie". There is a whole world of difference between the Latter subgroups I mentioned. Anyone that thinks otherwise is simply fooling Him/Herself. The White Girls amongst them that only date Nigerians(using that in context of this debate) are referring to the Likes of AJ,Tinie Tempah and Maro Itoje not some Fresh off the Boat Aff Uncle. Sorry Mr but no one is looking in your direction.

Nairaland bore me these days... I for type plenty... You don't need to be Santan Dave before you get a spec in London...

There's a difference between a Lagos soji boy way enter London today and regular Ibadan boy way enter London and time...

But at all at all... Game is different... If the Ibadan boy get game... He'll definitely score more chicks than a 2nd gen immigrant...

Yes and yes again... We get rushed in the 'abroad'

iPopAlomo:



No one is even approving black women though..

Lool but we aren’t talking about black women, we did not claim to be coveted, I don’t understand why you’re using us to deflect

ibkayee:

If we swap black men for ‘Nigerian’ men the ‘stats’ you post actually become more redundant since it was based on a majority black American population. Not ‘Nigerians’. And I’ve clearly noted the differences between them

How many Nigerians are in the USA.... And how many girls are available compared to the number of Nigerians guys present...?


Simple answer, enough to go around 20 different times for each Nigerian...

Freshie or not... As long as you're not looking for papers... Girls is in the surplusity and this is excluding black girls...

iPopAlomo:



How many Nigerians are in the USA.... And how many girls are available compared to the number of Nigerians guys present...?


Simple answer, enough to go around 20 different times for each Nigerian...

Freshie or not... As long as you're not looking for papers... Girls is in the surplusity and this is excluding black girls...

Sigh. I’m tired, let’s just agree to disagree. You win, white woman as a collective on average are rushing naija men

ibkayee:

Lol I dunno if this is just you deflecting but nobody said we were, we aren’t claiming to be getting rushed like naija men. Black womenswear have absolutely nothing to do with this convo lol

Aunty.... You said we have no social standing... That's why I asked you... So black women have...?

Who broke your heart like this...

iPopAlomo:



Aunty.... You said we have no social standing... That's why I asked you... So black women have...?

Who broke your heart like this...

Someone needs to have broken my heart for me to know black men are the lowest on the socioeconomic ladder?

It’s pretty common knowledge, and it wasn’t me trying to insult them, it doesn’t mean everybody is but if you average it out it’s fact. Try not to be so touchy this guy lol

iPopAlomo:



I told her... Before you see a white couple in London, you'll see 10 half and half... And when you eventually see a white couple, they're over 60 years...

This is simply not true. Not one jot. What part of London are we referring to here? Let's start with that.

chic2pimp:


This is simply not true. Not one jot. What part of London are we referring to here? Let's start with that.

Charlton brother...

Plenty half and half where my wife lives...


Same sceneries plays out in Toronto, Canada... Nah only Singhs dey marry themselves here...

ibkayee:

Someone needs to have broken my heart for me to know black men are the lowest on the socioeconomic ladder?

It’s pretty common knowledge, and it wasn’t me trying to insult them, it doesn’t mean everybody is but if you average it out it’s fact. Try not to be so touchy this guy lol

If you say black men... Which I'm not disputing... What makes black women not the lowest on the socio-economic ladder...

How do you measure the socio-economic ladder...?

This is what we should discuss now....

iPopAlomo:



Nairaland bore me these days... I for type plenty... You don't need to be Santan Dave before you get a spec in London...

There's a difference between a Lagos soji boy way enter London today and regular Ibadan boy way enter London and time...

But at all at all... Game is different... If the Ibadan boy get game... He'll definitely score more chicks than a 2nd gen immigrant...

Yes and yes again... We get rushed in the 'abroad'

Who are we kidding here? There might be a difference between a Lagos and an Ibadan boy in Nigeria but in the UK, you guys are on the same Level playing field.

If a Dude from Ibadan goes up against a 2nd Gen Immigrant with no game whatsoever, then He might score more Chics. Keyword Here Might.

Nah you don't get rushed abroad. That is simply not true.

chic2pimp:


Who are we kidding here? There might be a difference between a Lagos and an Ibadan boy in Nigeria but in the UK, you guys are on the same Level playing field.

If a Dude from Ibadan goes up against a 2nd Gen Immigrant with no game whatsoever, then He might score more Chics. Keyword Here Might.

Nah you don't get rushed abroad. That is simply not true.

Bro... I don't believe know about you ooo... But... All the males in my family are rushed... In fact... If you're not rushed being an Olo****...


Walahi... Something is wrong...

My uncle went to China... He was rushed... Me... I shuttle UK, Canada and Nigeria... I'm fucking rushed...


Even my wife knows this...

iPopAlomo:



Charlton brother...

Plenty half and half where my wife lives...


Same sceneries plays out in Toronto, Canada... Nah only Singhs dey marry themselves here...

In Charlton, White Brits make up almost 53% of the population with White people from other countries making up another 10% of the Population.

60%+ WHITE
30% - 40% BME.

I'm sure you can see where I am heading right? You'd be hardpressed seeing a Ratio of 1:1(interracial:White Couples) nevermind 10:1

chic2pimp:


In Charlton, White Brits make up almost 53% of the population with White people from other countries making up another 10% of the Population.

60%+ WHITE
30% - 40% BME.

I'm sure you can see where I am heading right? You'd be hardpressed seeing a Ratio of 1:1(interracial:White Couples) nevermind 10:1

Did you factor in age bro...?

And like in said... The WHITE couple you'll see are couples that are clearly over 60... Which brings us back to half and half...

I sha know say... No be only b me dey dis London and I'm not as popular as Skepta... So what narratives are you guys using again...?

In the clubs, there's clearly half and half... In the streets and in malls...

Apart from the singhs... Every other person is interracialling... You can even tell by the number of mixed kids everywhere...

iPopAlomo:



Bro... I don't believe know about you ooo... But... All the males in my family are rushed... In fact... If you're not rushed being an Olo****...


Walahi... Something is wrong...

This is all Hearsay though. I argue with Facts on the Ground not hearsay.

iPopAlomo:

My uncle went to China... He was rushed... Me... I shuttle UK, Canada and Nigeria... I'm fucking rushed...


Even my wife knows this...

Rushed by the somewhat Racist Chinese? Why Do I find it hard to believe that? You'll obviously get a few interested in dating Blackmen but they ain't rushing you lot. Stop it!

iPopAlomo:



Did you factor in age bro...?

And like in said... The WHITE couple you'll see are couples that are clearly over 60... Which brings us back to half and half...

I sha know say... No be only b me dey dis London and I'm not as popular as Skepta... So what narratives are you guys using again...?

In the clubs, there's clearly half and half... In the streets and in malls...

Apart from the singhs... Every other person is interracialling... You can even tell by the number of mixed kids everywhere...

Absolutely!. Age is included too Bro.

The White Couples are not just couples in their 60s. The Vast Majority are in their 20s-40s. Unless those are now referred to as "OLD" now?

No narrative being pushed Here Donny. Whether you are being Rushed or not is what we are trying to ascertain here.

What clubs? What Malls? You need to come with receipts not just throw things out there G.

Again No one saying Racial Mixing is not becoming more and more prevalent in today' Society. The Bone of contention here is whether you are being rushed or not.

africanpride1:
Yes, I am. Are you?

Yes i'm too. i'm from rivers state and reside there, worship there too. nice meeting u here too.

chic2pimp:


This is all Hearsay though. I argue with Facts on the Ground not hearsay.



Rushed by the somewhat Racist Chinese? Why Do I find it hard to believe that? You'll obviously get a few interested in dating Blackmen but they ain't rushing you lot. Stop it!

42.95% of people in the ward were aged 20–44.[27] *wikipedia*

That's from where you pulled your stats from people living in Charlton...

Now if 42% of the people living in Charlton are 20-44... That's leaves of with 58% remaining... For fairness sake... I'll split 58% into 2... 29% are older folks and 29% are youngings...

Logically... You should agree with me now that on the streets of CHARLTON oooooooooo... You'll come across 10 half and half couple before you meet a white couple and they'll clearly be in there 60's...

Then if 42% of us are just the right age to go boozing... Don't you think the clubs will be half and half as well... Unfortunately... I don't take pictures... So... When all this Corona shii dies down... I'll take a picture of myself and le boo club crawling Charlton with background pictures of mix races...




Baba... Racist Chinese...? From the men... 100% absolutely... But from the women... That's a complete fallacy...

If things are not happening for you... Don't lampoon all of us in your boat...

Modified:

I no dey like make person dey pad stats... I clearly asked if you considered the age... You said yes... Meanwhile... You didn't... And that stats is from 2011... in that respect... Be a big man... And apologise that you got shit wrong and you just wanted to feed a narrative.

ibkayee:

Sigh. I’m tired, let’s just agree to disagree. You win, white woman as a collective on average are rushing naija men

If you watch blacked

ibkayee:

Lmao fam

iPopAlomo:



Nairaland bore me these days... I for type plenty... You don't need to be Santan Dave before you get a spec in London...

There's a difference between a Lagos soji boy way enter London today and regular Ibadan boy way enter London and time...

But at all at all... Game is different... If the Ibadan boy get game... He'll definitely score more chicks than a 2nd gen immigrant...

Yes and yes again... We get rushed in the 'abroad'

It takes time for the Nigeria freshies to jack the swag and accent of the British,American or Canadian blacks and start pulling. That strong Akwa Ibom and Onitsha accent does not do the job, they find it difficult to understand most Nigerians

iPopAlomo:

Now if 42% of the people living in Charlton are 20-44... That's leaves of with 58% remaining... For fairness sake... I'll split 58% into 2... 29% are older folks and 29% are youngings...

Logically... You should agree with me now that on the streets of CHARLTON oooooooooo... You'll come across 10 half and half couple before you meet a white couple and they'll clearly be in there 60's...

That's not How it works Bro. Now Let's delve into these figures further.

Since We have both firmly established that over 60% of Charlton's Population are White, let's look at the Resident of Charlton by Age group.

Age 0 to 4 8.2
Age 5 to 9 6.4%
Age 10 to14 5.9%
Age 15 to 17 3.5%
Age 18 to 24 10.6%
Age 25 to 29 8.7%
Age 30 to 44 25.8%
Age 45 to 59 16.6%
Age 60 to 64 4%
Age 65 to 74 5.4%
Age 75 to 84 3.4%
Age 85 and over 1.5%
Mean Age 34.6

I could use the Mean Age to drive Home my point but to make this debate fair, I'll use another Stat. Let's use the Age Most couples in the UK tend to form Relationships. That is around the ages of 18-40. The percentage of Charlton's Resident that falls into that category is 43-44%. Combining point 1 and 2, We can say quite a chunk of Charlton's Population are in the Young category.

Finally Let's have a look at Interracial Relationships in the UK. The rate of Interracial relationships amongst the General population in the UK is 9% with white People the least likely to be involved in an one(4%). In other words, only 4-9% of Charlton's White Population are likely to be an Interracial relationship. If that is the case, where do you get your 10:1 ration in favour of interracial relationship?

iPopAlomo:



Baba... Racist Chinese...? From the men... 100% absolutely... But from the women... That's a complete fallacy...

If things are not happening for you... Don't lampoon all of us in your boat...

Modified:

I no dey like make person dey pad stats... I clearly asked if you considered the age... You said yes... Meanwhile... You didn't... And that stats is from 2011... in that respect... Be a big man... And apologise that you got shit wrong and you just wanted to feed a narrative.

Bro the Only Set of Men Chinese women are rushing are those of European Descents(Westerners to be Precise). Amongst those interested in Relationships with Black Men, Nigerians are not at the Top of their Wish List. Black Westerners top that list too(Black Brits,African Americans, Black French dudes etc)

We are not in the same boat though. I was Born and Partially[mostly] raised in the UK(I say partially as I spent a good few years in Naij). The mostly certainly are not falling over themelves to have you. The term "Aff Uncles" is rampant for a good reason.

ibkayee:

Sigh. I’m tired, let’s just agree to disagree. You win, white woman as a collective on average are rushing naija men

iPopAlomo:



If you say black men... Which I'm not disputing... What makes black women not the lowest on the socio-economic ladder...

How do you measure the socio-economic ladder...?

This is what we should discuss now....

It’s a measure of your positioning in the overall social hierarchy. Think of it as how much weight we carry in the world as a community economically and socially. The average black person (male and female) is low on the totem pole, I did not dispute that females also occupy a low position on the hierarchy. But this discussion is not. about. black. females…because we. are. not. claiming. that. anyone. is. rushing. or. drooling. after. us. So I can only assume this is just you getting yourself a bit worked up and deflecting in response.

Anyway, I have agreed with you, white women dey rush naija guys and chic2pimp and I are not cool and hotcake enough to see it. Have a nice night

I like you sha so no hard feelings, agree to disagree.

ornicus:


If you watch blacked

Never watched it