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Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Nadanbata: 2:17am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Katsumoto: How about the innocent killings by Armed robbers, That means people cant travel freely around Nigeria? If Hausa go will that stop ? All i want people to see is that this is not the main problem bothering Nigeria. Fix the CORRUPTION you fix all of Naijas problems like JUJU or GEJ's Magics numbers . PDP + Elites = the Nigerian mans enemy. The sooner people realise the better. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by ektbear: 2:17am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Nadanbata:No, it isn't that hard. Chekoslovakia split up pretty easily and amicably. Follow the same template that they used. Or the Soviet Union used. They negotiated a split in under one year. It isn't as hard as you say. Again, corruption is not the only reason to split the country. There are plenty of other good reasons. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Nadanbata: 2:26am On Apr 21, 2011 |
@ ekt_bear -List your reasons for splitting the country please. -Sorting out the problem Collectively is better because as we are now we have all the resources, man power, brains to make us the the real beacon of Africa. - With regards to splitting what if we CANT agree or half dont want to split? Igbo man can say to Yoruba man "No i dont recgonise Yorubaland I want Nigeria" And Nigeria is what is recgonised for everything. or If all the Hausas vote for seperation but Southeners say no, will that cause friction ? etc etc ill say again its not abracadabra just cause Yoruba may want to go doesnt mean you can any time you want for if the rest dont agree theres a problem. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Nobody: 2:28am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Nairaland is represented predominantly by southerners and so a lot of the comments about hausas lately are very negative and I wanted to use this thread as an avenue to let hausa members (esp. those living in the north) to air their own views and opinion on the current affairs in Nigeria. there was a liberian guy with a hausa mother [or so he claimed] who used to defend hausas here, but he said he was going to serve in congo or something, and has been mia since then. hausas in general are very laidback [outside of the rioting problem], and might consider it beneath them to reply the kind of posts and accusations on nairaland. just my opinion. not saying there are none who would do so. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by kcjazz(m): 2:32am On Apr 21, 2011 |
@Nadanbata Thank you for your time to defend your people. There are definitely good Hausa people out there. Splitting doesn't solve this problem; education, good governance at all levels and true federalism will solve violence long term. Any other measure is temporary. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by naijaking1: 2:34am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Nadanbata: You can never claim to be serious in sorting out this countries problems if you don't address some basic and natural inequites such as depriving the Niger Delta of their oil in the name of federal ownership, lopsided creation of states and local government to favour the north, and the criminal falsification of the census to diminish one tribe against the others. The list goes on, and on. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Nadanbata: 2:45am On Apr 21, 2011 |
naijaking1: That 'favouring' of the North is it not carried out by the PDP Elites of Nigeria? Or are you saying the Elites are only Hausa. For i dont see no Aboki as governor of Rivers state. Since 1999 Was it Not Obasanjo as president and now GEJ ? or are they secretley Hausawa? The elites it dont matter Igbo/Yoruba/IJAW/Hausa/Tiv are all eating from Nigeria where as all their people are struggling. Almajari are not the one pollute your land in the Delta and stealing the oil. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by ektbear: 2:46am On Apr 21, 2011 |
@Nadanbata: 1. I don't want to spend too much time debating the merits of splitting for reasons X, Y, and Z. Long story short, if the constituent components of Nigeria feel the need to part ways, they don't really owe anyone an explanation for their feelings. 2. I believe in taking large problems and breaking them down into smaller, more manageable chunks. There is no economy of scale, greater efficiency we get from being one country. Nothing is really gained. It is really just a game for sharing the Niger Delta's oil wealth, really. 3. Already, Nigeria has been logically split up into 6 zones. At least in theory (ignoring oil wealth, the glue that binds the country together), I don't see why Zone A should be able to block Zone B from leaving Nigeria, if they so desire. Territorial integrity is important. . . but the current system is not working, and needs to be revisited. Really, if there was no money at stake, we'd all have split up already. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Nadanbata: 2:58am On Apr 21, 2011 |
ekt_bear: 1) still have not answered the need 2) lol thats why we appoint governors who get allocated money to put in the work in their own region. But they are corruput. Just cause you name it Yorubaland dont mean anything if the same people are heading tings. I agree things need to be decentralized but you need good leaders to do so, splitting doesnt make them appear like that. 3) Bros all that HausaLand and YorubaLand stuff was centuries ago, we are now Nigeria and have to live with the laws and consitution now. not then. Theres only the terrotial integrity of Nigeria. All that Business in Lagos is done under the Federal Republic of Nigeria and a Yoruba man is just as Nigerian as a Hausa man. Thats the cold facts bros. I agree if there was no money the elites wouldnt have an intrest in keeping Nigeria one. But the fact is there is one and they want to loot and keep the money for themselves. So they will keep us by force Igbo elite wont give two shits if his people want to leave same as Hausa and Yoruba cuase they are enjoying. We need focus on how we overturn them instead of blame ethnicity in Nigerias problems. For the record I dont mind splitting but they wont let it nor will it change anything, for our problem is leaders of Arewa (North) not Igbo or Yoruba people. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Nadanbata: 3:02am On Apr 21, 2011 |
kcjazz: I dey try bros. I agree 100% the sooner people realise we have a common enemy the better. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Beaf: 3:04am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Nadanbata: Yes, after ruling the country for 38 years most are bound to be Hausa or Fulani. Your PDP excuse is very lame and annoying and only goes to show that you prefer to live in denial of the facts that are as obvious as daylight. Are Southern youth corpers PDP people, or are churches PDP members? There is a culture of murder and arson in Northern Nigeria that needs to be put down with equal or overwhelming violence; the tradition of murdering Southerners must stop. For your information, PDP was formed mainly by Northern elite, so why not kill yourselves up there when the thirst for blood arises and leave it at that? Why kill Southerners and the children they have suffered to bring up with love and sacrifice? I feel so angry. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Nadanbata: 3:16am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Beaf: Everbody has their point of view, If you feel common Almajari is the reason theres no developemnt in your village so be it. If you think its an Hausa mans blood to kill so be it. If you think its solely Islam that kills so be it. If you think Its the Emirs that run SS/SE so be it. I have condemed those that have targetted Christians, but i refuse to let the actions of a few taint the image for all. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Onlytruth(m): 3:21am On Apr 21, 2011 |
I'm laughing at thought of seeking the perspective of murderers. It is like a thief breaks into your house, steal all your property, ra -pe your wife, kill all your kids, and escapes. Next day you see the same thief sitting somewhere jeje sipping a champagne, and you go to ask him why he did what he did. Some southerners indirectly encourage these northerner I swear. I would really like for there to be a first time anywhere in southern Nigeria where indigenes wake up one day to target these northerners and kill as many as possible. That alone will change northern thinking. Nonsense. Abeg keep your yeye opinions to yourselves. A young national youth copper is missing in Bauchi. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Onlytruth(m): 3:21am On Apr 21, 2011 |
I'm laughing at thought of seeking the perspective of murderers. It is like a thief breaks into your house, steal all your property, ra -pe your wife, kill all your kids, and escapes. Next day you see the same thief sitting somewhere jeje sipping a champagne, and you go to ask him why he did what he did. Some southerners indirectly encourage these northerner I swear. I would really like for there to be a first time anywhere in southern Nigeria where indigenes wake up one day to target these northerners and kill as many as possible. That alone will change northern thinking. Nonsense. Abeg keep your yeye opinions to yourselves. A young national youth copper is missing in Bauchi. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Jenifa1: 3:37am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Crude Oil: what do you mean by "they"? you mean the 25 million hausa population or a couple of disgruntled rioters? MEND had their own violent outbursts too. why aren't Niger Deltans labelled as barbaric? obviously there is ethnic sentiments involved and we are not thinking rationally. let us try to reason logically and understand our issues other wise, free free to find another thread (there are tons of them already) to express your angry emotions. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by ektbear: 3:48am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Nadanbata: I'm starting to think that the elites are not really the problem. They are a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself. If these elites are defeated, new elites will rise up to take their spots. It is Animal Farm-type sh1t. The elites are not the problem, the system is. The British for the most part designed Nigeria properly. Three independent states meeting together at the middle in a weak federation. Unfortunately, the mistake they made is that they did not go far enough. They simply should have granted independence to three separate nations rather than one. Independent nations is the correct model for Nigeria, not the current setup. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Ystranger: 3:59am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Jenifa_: That statement proves that you 'aint' Nigerian. Sorry I just have to point it out. You call MEND's agitation for resource control 'violent outbursts?' You are really daft indeed. Maybe its time for you to go back to Latvia, where you really belong. Your understanding of Nigeria is very limited, almost Zero frankly. The internet is not Nigeria. If you really want to understand Nigeria, you need to go live there, at least for a day. Just because your BF is Nigerian, does not give you the audacity to make bold erroneous assertions, borne out of ignorance and the desire to be regarded as an authority, on Nigerian issues. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Ystranger: 4:01am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by ektbear: 4:08am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Relative to the centralized, top-down presidential system we have now, yes. The center needs to be weak (or possibly nonexistent), not strong. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Jenifa1: 4:10am On Apr 21, 2011 |
For me its simple. Dont blame the Almajari (homeless/beggers etc). They are a Product of the (knowing) faliure of Naija leadership (PDP). Blame PDP with ther $1000 suits. SMH. Nadanbata, you know I wish there were more hausas on nairaland. your comments are definitely welcome. hausas live in the worst poverty in nigeria so it makes sense that this is about resources. besides poverty, what else do you think is a problem? hausas are much more conservative than the rest of nigeria and very protective of their culture. Even the british were barred from bringing chrsitian missionaries to the north talkless of them tolerating southern christians. i'm assuming you are muslim. what is your opinion of southern christians in the north? |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by OAM4J: 4:12am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Breaking apart to me is not the solution. decentralization, resource control and true federalism will solve more than 70% of our problems. I like this piece from Sanusi, it is an interesting read for those of you who have not read it before.
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Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Ystranger: 4:15am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Jenifa_: So Yorubas and Igbos are not proud of their culture, in your opinion, that is why they embraced western education? So being close minded and lacking foresight = Being more conservative? Interesting indeed. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by ektbear: 4:22am On Apr 21, 2011 |
OAM4J:What practical difference is there between that and splitting up? Why not just divide? They are the same thing. . . except you have to deal with an additional layer of bureaucracy at the center. Why not cut out that additional layer? The above federation you propose, why wouldn't it be better to just have a customs union of some sort instead? NAFTA, essentially? |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Ystranger: 4:25am On Apr 21, 2011 |
ekt_bear: I agree. Lets wait for OAM4J to defend himself. Maybe he would post another article by Sanusi to defend himself. :::SMH::: Sanusi ko, Lamido ni |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Nadanbata: 4:33am On Apr 21, 2011 |
ekt_bear: Bro I understand what you are saying, But we have to work with what we have now. Splitting is impossible who will let the split happen? The only way a split could happen is 1) Civil war 2) GOOD leaders grant it. In the case of 1) I doubt that will happen. When 2) happens Naijas problems will be solved and all that decentralize stuff will be implemented and there would be no reason for a split anyway. Do you understand what im saying ? The elites will never ever let there be a split peacfully so we might as well work with what we have. Stop with the ethnic rubbish, Analyse these elections, create an opposition campaign and lobby the people, they dont do what they said vote them out. No more rigging of our elections, espicially Governor elections for they are the key to sucess in each little piece of the jigsaw called Nigeria. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by ektbear: 4:36am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Imo, Economic Community of the Niger and Benue Rivers >>>> Nigeria. Everyone keeps what he earns, and we negotiate a free trade zone of some sort. Common currency is fine. Separate governments, separate police forces, no ability for one state to shake down another for cash. This is true federalism. In fact, a federalism so pure and true, it is indistinguishable from having separate nations |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by OAM4J: 4:43am On Apr 21, 2011 |
ekt_bear: You are forgetting a fact that our population size is still a plus for us. For instance, our market size attracts foreign investments. Besides there is beauty in our diversity. Tell me, will you prefer US as it is or do you think each state will fair better on its own? |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by adconline(m): 4:44am On Apr 21, 2011 |
I dey try bros. I agree 100% the sooner people realise we have a common enemy the better Going by the above statement, are corp members enemies or members of PDP? Do your so called common enemies reside in churches and shops owned by southerners? How about the fact that Northerners controlled power in Nigerian for about 38 years and these rioters never considered those in power their common enemy? What do you have to say about the same PDP that rigged Yar'dua into office by manipulating election results in 2007? What do you have to say about some northern governors who are ANPP members , yet they are as corrupt as PDP governors and we dont see these rioters demonstrating against them? What do you have to say about IBB, a northerner who cancelled 1993 elections in which a southerner -MKO won? What do you have to say about MKO who died while in custody when a northerner- Abacha was the head of state? Where was northern outrage when these events occured in Nigeria? |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by nduchucks: 4:48am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Dredge the Niger river, work out a very amicable sharing formula for offshore oil, for the next 300years, and you people can go in peace. I'm pretty sure we may have to come and rescue you from annihilating yourselves with 2 years of your separation. Truth is, when your common enemy, the boogey man, the North, is no longer in the equation, you will start killing each other off. I know it sounds weird, but its true. Why do you think their are more Igbo living in the North than in the SE? When all of ya'all are repatriated back to the SE, the Abriba type battles of old will be child's play. It may be the same story all across the SW You southerners have colluded with the so-called leaders of the North long enough and you are co conspirators, perpetrating all types of attrocities upon the masses, ensuring that we remain uneducated. We'll we are on to you, note how the so-called leaders are being targeted. Insha Allah, we shall chase them all the way to the south where you people can keep them. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Nadanbata: 4:51am On Apr 21, 2011 |
@ Jenifa Same as Nigerians really but worse in some cases. Lack of education, zero opportunity, terrible healthcare, zero security. Lack of electricty has killed of all manufacturing, Agricultue sector is shocking, Roads are shocking. Thats why when you come North you see Boys and Men "a bakin titi" (by the roadside) chilling. This what makes me laugh when i hear people saying 'they' (Hausa) have taken our money and what not. For 'they' is a select few of individuals who include most of Nigerias ethnicities but yet they want to say its Hausa man fault when your own chief dey steal from the pot to! You think if Hausa go your chief wont continue to steal from the pot? Or is it you want more for him and zero for our chiefs ? Southern Chritians are cool of course have many of them as friends. Somebody ask me where im from I give same answer as them. Thats where i learn my small small pidegon English from . Ethnicity is used to hold us back as a nation, but us educated ones know thats not an issue but the problem is theres millions of our brothers who arent so lucky to know that due to the state that the country is in. |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by ektbear: 4:53am On Apr 21, 2011 |
OAM4J:Wouldn't the market size of the Economic Community of the Niger and Benue Rivers be exactly equal to that of the Nigerian Federation? Err, what Beauty, ke? What does that have to do with what we are talking about? But. . . we are very happy with the status quo in the US. There aren't really separatist movements. It isn't one size fits all. That Nigeria is better off splitting doesn't mean the US is too. Or if you think Nigeria should stay one, does that mean the US and Canada should merge into one country? The US and Canada have FAAAAR more cultural and ethnic similarity than say Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa. Yet they are happy as two separate countries. Why is it by force for Nigeria to remain one? |
Re: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by Jenifa1: 4:54am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Ystranger: yorubas and igbos are less protective/defensive of their traditional culture. yes and if you re-read my post you will see that I didn't make any moral value judgements on the comment. I'm not sure if you deliberately chose a clownish personality for yourself on NL. but I think you ought to have a little bit of self-respect. OAM4J: I'm in favor of staying united as well. I support the idea of federalism but I don't think it should be too strict otherwise, I fear that government in the three regions will be radically different it will be very hard to work together as a nation. then we might as well break into three separate countries. how do you mean by resource control? |
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