cornelboy:


If Jesus spirit or soul went there, does that mean hell is a bad place?

Hell is a place of torment for sinners.

cornelboy:

Think think think.
Lake of fire represent eternal destruction.
That's hell/grave and death will be no more. They won't exist again. Likewise Satan, his angels, false prophet and wicked people will be destroyed eternally, eternal death.

They won't keep living in hell fire.

Lake of fire and Gehenna illustrates the same thing, eternal destruction/death.
Gehenna was (mis)translated to hell. Also Hadēs which means the grave was translated to hell.

Your watchtower has done you strong thing. When the Bible talks about the lake of fire it isn't being metaphorical. This is where God has caught you. You are able to wave off the doctrine of hell by saying that Jesus was being metaphorical when He taught about it and I can understand that.

But you can't use the same metric for the lake of fire because the Bible never talks about it from a metaphorical standpoint.

Also, spirits can't die. Think deeply about that. Annihilation-ism is never taught in scripture.

LordReed:


I gave 6 reasons why I think hell doesn't make sense which of them indicated I diidn't understand this point? And by the way your point is another reason hell doesn't make sense, just so you know.

How doesn't it make sense? God is not at fault for hell. People go there because of the choices they make.

Maynman:


Yes it is a parable, even your fellow Christians will be disappointed in you. Don’t take it literally, word for word..

Lol.. aiit. Peace to you!!

Hismasterpiece:


Lol.. aiit. Peace to you!!

Taking parables as real life events when it clearly says “parables”.. this religion do you strong thing.
Peace to you too believer.

Maynman:


Taking parables as real life events when it clearly says “parables”.. this religion do you strong thing.
Peace to you too believer.

Okay. One last question. Do you believe man is a spirit and not merely a material being?

Hismasterpiece:


Okay. One last question. Do you believe man is a spirit and not merely a material being?

I know that man has a soul, spirit and flesh.

Hismasterpiece:


How doesn't it make sense? God is not at fault for hell. People go there because of the choices they make.

Is it people that made hell or the god? Is it people that set the conditions for who goes to hell or the god?

LordReed:


Is it people that made hell or the god? Is it people that set the conditions for who goes to hell or the god?

God did create hell. But He has made it clear that He doesn't want any descendant of Adam to end up there. So, no God is not at fault.

Maynman:


I know that man has a soul, spirit and flesh.

Do you believe that Christians go to heaven when they die? If yes, then why do find it so hard to believe that non-christians go to hell when they die?

Hismasterpiece:


Do you believe that Christians go to heaven when they die? If yes, then why do find it so hard to believe that non-christians go to hell when they die?

lol, I don’t believe the former or latter. I know that there’s no such thing.

Maynman:


lol, I don’t believe the former or latter. I know that there’s no such thing.

And are you sure that scripture is CLEAR on the subject that HEAVEN AND HELL DON'T EXIST?

Hismasterpiece:


And are you sure that scripture is CLEAR on the subject that HEAVEN AND HELL DON'T EXIST?

Which scripture, a story book?
Do you know the origin of this scriptures?

Hismasterpiece:


God did create hell. But He has made it clear that He doesn't want any descendant of Adam to end up there. So, no God is not at fault.

Where did I mention anything about fault? Hell is entirely your god's idea according to your mythology. If your god didn't create it nobody would be going there.

Hismasterpiece:


Do you believe that Christians go to heaven when they die? If yes, then why do find it so hard to believe that non-christians go to hell when they die?

All Christians go to hell. Pick one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell

LordReed:


Where did I mention anything about fault? Hell is entirely your god's idea according to your mythology. If your god didn't create it nobody would be going there.

He did create it but He didn't have humans in mind when He did create it. And Scripture is clear that He doesn't want anyone to go there and is completely sad about the people that are there.

Maynman:


Which scripture, a story book?
Do you know the origin of this scriptures?

Wait.. are you even a believer sef?

Hismasterpiece:


Wait.. are you even a believer sef?

A believer shouldn’t know the origin of the book he reads?

Hismasterpiece:


He did create it but He didn't have humans in mind when He did create it. And Scripture is clear that He doesn't want anyone to go there and is completely sad about the people that are there.

But according to your beliefs he made the rules so I dunno what you are defending.

LordReed:


But according to your beliefs he made the rules so I dunno what you are defending.

So are you saying the government is at fault for everyone in prison? After all they did build prisons and set the rules for who goes there and who doesn't.

Does that mean that the government enjoys seeing people in prison?

Aren't the people in prison there because it is just and right for them to be there because they deserve it?

This is the angle from which I see things.

Maynman:


A believer shouldn’t know the origin of the book he reads?

So you are a Christian but you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God but you believe it is merely a work of fiction?

Hismasterpiece:


So you are a Christian but you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God but you believe it is merely a work of fiction?

A believer shouldn’t know the origin of the book he is reading? He should just remain ignorant of it? If the word of god is true, why is word of good afraid of clarity?

Hismasterpiece:


So are you saying the government is at fault for everyone in prison? After all they did build prisons and set the rules for who goes there and who doesn't.

Does that mean that the government enjoys seeing people in prison?

Aren't the people in prison there because it is just and right for them to be there because they deserve it?

This is the angle from which I see things.

When governments become all seeing and all knowing then this analogy would apply.

BTW do you know of any jurisdiction where all crimes carry the same sentence? That's limited humans able to make distinctions but your all wise god cannot. Hell doesn't make sense.

LordReed:


When governments become all seeing and all knowing then this analogy would apply.

BTW do you know of any jurisdiction where all crimes carry the same sentence? That's limited humans able to make distinctions but your all wise god cannot. Hell doesn't make sense.

So you read from the Bible that crimes carry the same sentence? Don't you ever learn anything in church?

LordReed:


When governments become all seeing and all knowing then this analogy would apply.

BTW do you know of any jurisdiction where all crimes carry the same sentence? That's limited humans able to make distinctions but your all wise god cannot. Hell doesn't make sense.

Hmm... So your argument against hell is it's perceived unfairness?

Maynman:


A believer shouldn’t know the origin of the book he is reading? He should just remain ignorant of it? If the word of god is true, why is word of good afraid of clarity?

You didn't answer my question. Do you believe the Bible is a work of fiction?

Hismasterpiece:


You didn't answer my question. Do you believe the Bible is a work of fiction?

Absolutely with Quran too. Read about the Semitic god, where Allah was coined from.

Maynman:


Absolutely with Quran too. Read about the Semitic god, where Allah was coined from.

So why are you then a Christian if you believe such about the Bible?

Hismasterpiece:


So why are you then a Christian if you believe such about the Bible?

I said I was?

Maynman:


I said I was?

Oh so you're not a Christian. What is our discussion even about sef?

Hismasterpiece:


Oh so you're not a Christian. What is our discussion even about sef?

Track back, it was you that deviated.

Hismasterpiece:


Hmm... So your argument against hell is it's perceived unfairness?

That is one of them. I can't imagine that a so called all wise god would choose to punish all types of wrongdoing with the same punishment when even we humans don't do that.