tctrills:
Thank you Templee333 for your well-told story. I wish we all could be as calm and cool-headed as you have been despite the name-calling and provocation.
You have a beautiful story that tells the imperfections of men and their organizations. Good men, Yes. But when humans depend on their wisdom to comprehend eternal truths, they build walls that would crack.
Your story shed light on the cracks of the JW organization. It also told their good side, Their commitment to belief, and the way they introduce their kids early to their gospel.
I wish other Christians do not view this as a declaration of war against the JW. He without sin should cast the first stone.

Courz:


I have never seen this happen. COs can shout and be rude to JWs and JWs will be quiet and say nothing. After the CO is gone, they can open their mouth. But if that happens, I believe the JW that talks back will be disfellowshiped because that is regarded as Brazen conduct. Anyone is free to correct me if I am wrong.

Templee333:

one problem with JW is that they claim to be better than everyone else & know everything.

tctrills:
This stories are very revealing.
Question: What happens if a CO is rude to you and you insult him back?

Templee333:

even when a CO talked disrespectfuly to a brother who's older than him,he'd be afraid of offending the CO & never retaliate. We took him like a god which must always be pleased & not be offended.Even when he's clearly at fault,we took the blame.

Templee333:

we dared not insult a CO. I remember once we travelled a very long distance to rehearsal at Ass.Hall. We had a demonstration & bro Tony condemned all our presentation over & over again.Finally, he got angry & told us to come again next week. The brother (an elder) who sponsored the demonstration tried to explain that our distance is far & he'd be busy next week.Bro Tony cut in & scolded the elder. The elder pleaded with him. But later on our way back,the elder complained of how rude the CO is & never considered all his labour to transport this crew here. "Must he be insulting people anyhow just because he's a CO?",he mumured. But he didn't respond when the CO insulted him.

tctrills:

To me, that is bondage. But if the JW people would not complain, let me not complain for them.

Courz:


At the bolded, That is what a sane person should think. But in JW Land, it is Love. There is nothing like freedom of speech there. You are told how to act, how to speak like a JW, how to feel or what emotions to display at certain times, how to think, who to make friends with, who to marry, how to spend your alone time, the list is endless. You will need to act like a Robot and assume everything is fine with a big smile on your face. Many scandals, squabbles, rifts, in fact everything that happens elsewhere happens amongst them but to them, everything is fine and they are way better than others from other religions. Strong delusion. They are taught how to be Narcissistic and delusional They say they are in a Paradise. Spiritual Paradise. Have you watched Dystopian movies? Foreign Movies about Cults or about people in an enclosed space with several restrictions governing them with no freedom of speech? That's the JW Land.

This is why they are regarded as a Cult.

tctrills:
Is it really that bad

Courz:


I wish I could tell you No but only someone that has lived that life or was born into it will be able to explain it to you. I was born into this religion. It's not what you can see as an observer looking from outside. You have to be a member to understand what I am saying.

Google Combating Cult Mind Control. or Steve Hassan's BITE MODEL of Authoritarian Control. Then you will understand.

tctrills:
Interesting

tctrills:
Is it really that bad

Templee333:

you might not really understand JW except u pass through it. Even JW who aren't faithful members of the organization still hardly understand it.Only most devoted members know how terribly bad it is when they are honest enough to admit it. But unfortunately, an active member often closes his reasoning ability & deny reality in other to continue his race for life in the one & only true religion.

tctrills:

To me, that is bondage. But if the JW people would not complain, let me not complain for them.

Templee333:

you might not really understand JW except u pass through it. Even JW who aren't faithful members of the organization still hardly understand it.Only most devoted members know how terribly bad it is when they are honest enough to admit it. But unfortunately, an active member often closes his reasoning ability & deny reality in other to continue his race for life in the one & only true religion.

Courz:


At the bolded, That is what a sane person should think. But in JW Land, it is Love. There is nothing like freedom of speech there. You are told how to act, how to speak like a JW, how to feel or what emotions to display at certain times, how to think, who to make friends with, who to marry, how to spend your alone time, the list is endless. You will need to act like a Robot and assume everything is fine with a big smile on your face. Many scandals, squabbles, rifts, in fact everything that happens elsewhere happens amongst them but to them, everything is fine and they are way better than others from other religions. Strong delusion. They are taught how to be Narcissistic and delusional They say they are in a Paradise. Spiritual Paradise. Have you watched Dystopian movies? Foreign Movies about Cults or about people in an enclosed space with several restrictions governing them with no freedom of speech? That's the JW Land.

This is one of the reasons why they are regarded as a Cult.

Templee333:

we dared not insult a CO. I remember once we travelled a very long distance to rehearsal at Ass.Hall. We had a demonstration & bro Tony condemned all our presentation over & over again.Finally, he got angry & told us to come again next week. The brother (an elder) who sponsored the demonstration tried to explain that our distance is far & he'd be busy next week.Bro Tony cut in & scolded the elder. The elder pleaded with him. But later on our way back,the elder complained of how rude the CO is & never considered all his labour to transport this crew here. "Must he be insulting people anyhow just because he's a CO?",he mumured. But he didn't respond when the CO insulted him.

Ask your supporters who of them dey shout at their Daddy G.O's & pastorpreneurs who annoyed them?
In your Bible did Paul and Barnabas disagree?
In your Bible, did Paul and Peter disagree?

You are just throwing tantrums.

Janosky:

It is bondage to your deluded mind because in your own Bible, the disciples had disagreements and disputes, not once not twice.
That matter would be settled when my brothers meet again, the OP won't tell you the matter was settled because he has a motive for throwing that tantrum.

Have you never been angered or annoyed by your pastor ,fellowship member or colleagues?

Cast the first stone,Hypocrite!.

Janosky:

It is bondage to your deluded mind because in your own Bible, the disciples had disagreements and disputes, not once not twice.
That matter would be settled when my brothers meet again, the OP won't tell you the matter was settled because he has a motive for throwing that tantrum.

Have you never been angered or annoyed by your pastor ,fellowship member or colleagues?

Cast the first stone,Hypocrite!.

tctrills:

Let me ask you a question and I need a sincere answer. JW members always speak of the great love they share among themselves. I know you have spoken of the bad examples of the leaders but in general, would you say they have great love among themselves? I tend to believe this because they always end up getting married to themselves.

Would this DUBIOUS Courz who use my moniker & Max moniker to post his GIBBERISH , give you an honest answer?

Will a scorned, furious DUBIOUS man tell you the truth about his ex?
You will hear what you desire to hear, not the truth. .

Janosky:

Would this DUBIOUS Courz who use my moniker & Max moniker to post his GIBBERISH , give you an honest answer?

Will a scorned, furious DUBIOUS man tell you the truth about his ex?
You will hear what you desire to hear, not the truth. .

tctrills:

Let me ask you a question and I need a sincere answer. JW members always speak of the great love they share among themselves. I know you have spoken of the bad examples of the leaders but in general, would you say they have great love among themselves? I tend to believe this because they always end up getting married to themselves.

Janosky:

It is bondage to your deluded mind because in your own Bible, the disciples had disagreements and disputes, not once not twice.
That matter would be settled when my brothers meet again, the OP won't tell you the matter was settled because he has a motive for throwing that tantrum.

Have you never been angered or annoyed by your pastor ,fellowship member or colleagues?

Cast the first stone,Hypocrite!.

zoer:

Is there a better replacement for JW?

zoer:

MaxinDhouse will come for you if only he won't derail the topic

tctrills:

I am learning from Templee333 to be calm and not to take offense. I don't how he does it but that guy is showing great love and respect. He refuses to be provoked while telling his story. He states the good, the bad, and the ugly without ill feelings. I am not promising anything but in my future discussions with you, I would try to be more loving and forgiving.

Janosky:

Would this DUBIOUS Courz who use my moniker & Max moniker to post his GIBBERISH , give you an honest answer?

Will a scorned, furious DUBIOUS man tell you the truth about his ex?
You will hear what you desire to hear, not the truth. .

Janosky:

You are not learning anything.
If you were indeed learning from him, would you FALSELY assert that your claim of "bondage"?

In your Bible,when Paul disagreed with Barnabas was that "bondage"?
What crime did a JW brother commit for a disagreement with his fellow JW?

I say it as it is !

tctrills:

I don't like being deceived hence I am happy you are contributing to this thread to bring about balance. I am sure you would correct any false impression.

Janosky:


The furious, DUBIOUS Courz made claims of Freemason & JWs, did Templee333 ever said he saw anything Masonic in our kingdom Halls or places of worship?

NEVER !
Courz is infinitely connected to delusion than reality.