hornipipe:

@op i wish u a safe delivery, i hope u give birth to a bouncing hermaphrodite, nonsense!!

claremont:

So you mean it is perfectly okay for spontaneous abortions to occur, but it is a sin for someone to deliberately induce abortions?! In other words, according to your own way of thinking, it is perfectly okay for a foetus to die on its own, than for it to be extinguished in favour of its mother.

claremont:
I believe everyone can now see the reason why I say religion does make supposedly good people say/do bad things. I rest my case.

claremont:

So you mean it is perfectly okay for spontaneous abortions to occur, but it is a sin for someone to deliberately induce abortions?! In other words, according to your own way of thinking, it is perfectly okay for a foetus to die on its own, than for it to be extinguished in favour of its mother.

I believe everyone can now see the reason why I say religion does make supposedly good people say/do bad things. I rest my case.

seedord247:

LOck your Brain.

naijababe:

Jisox   . Na you go first be atheist?! Spontaneous abortion aka miscarriage is not the same as deliberate abortion. They usually occur due to an anomaly in the gestation process.

~Killz~:

If it is a matter of life and death, where the survival of a foetus will result in the loss of your life, then you can proceed and extinguish it, save yourself! But deliberately killing a foetus to serve your own selfish interest and to pay for your own stupidity, is nothing short of wicked! Especially when you are very healthy and at no risk if you allow the foetus live!
Atheism makes people feel like Demi Gods, and believe they can take selfish decisions to suit their selfish needs! No morals, No conscience. . . WTH!

hornipipe:

after u

claremont:

We are talking about the rationale behind a baseless and unfounded statement like "abortion is a sin". If some people can say that abortion is a sin, then it is safe to conclude that ALL abortions are sinful, irrespective of whether they are spontaneous or induced. We can't pick and choose the one that we deem to be sinful at the expense of the other. Who  do we hold responsible for spontaneous abortions then?!

claremont:


Someone whose source of morals is vicarious redemption via human sacrifice, and burning bushes should keep sealed lips when the subject of morality is been discussed IMHO.

seedord247:

maybe when you remove your own from archived.

~Killz~:

My question still stands, and WTH is Positive confessions? Are people on Nairaland that dumb that she cant get a positive reply from them?

Whether they are atheists or not is out of the question! They have come to Nairaland where there are non atheists for help! Why the fcck will atheists come to non atheists for help, and then ask non atheists to reply like atheists? That's some serious inconsequential bullshit! If you do not want religious answers, stay the fcck outta a forum predominantly dominated by religious folks, and go look for some gawddam atheist forum and seek help!

hornipipe:

maybe whn u must have unbarred urz

naijababe:

So rational thinking is to compare a miscarriage with an abortion just because the foetus is eliminated and the mother lives? Talk about a parochial and pedantic thought process!!!

One does not need to be  religiously inclined to be pro-life and that is the huge fact that is lost on you.  Thank God not all atheists think like this.

talina:

@poster,   Nobody can have s$x for 2 weeks and not know that pregnancy is very possible .It cannot be called a safe time for that long! On some level they both knew that it was possible to concieve,sadly. Your friend must live with herself at the end of the day so only she can decide what to do. The answer is there for her to find,I think, if she listens to that voice inside. After she decides, wouldnt it be right to inform the man, so at least he can learn something from this too? What a terrible mistake to throw caution to the wind! Im sorry for your friends dilema now and Im sure she has learned a very tough lesson.

seedord247:

You know your brain was sent to you as a "GIFT CARD". It will soon expire.

Mrs, Chima:

I was wondering that as well because I was like how can she assumed she is safe from pregnancy for two weeks and maybe she miscalculated her cycle.  Sometimes women spots before the actual period even if it is two weeks later.  It is unknown why women spots before actual menses and some women who doesn't know her cycle precisely can misconstrued spotting with actual menstruation.  

Depending on a woman's cycle, she can be "Safe" 7 to 14 days before she needs to wear a condom, but it is not common.  

Although it is both responsibilities, she is ultimately the one that will suffer the most.  She should be cognizant in protecting herself especially if this is a one meet, one fluck session.

claremont:

It has nothing to do with Atheism, it has everything to do with common sense. The fact of the matter is that in both cases a foetus has been eliminated. The main issue is that in one case, some people say it is a sin for the foetus to be eliminated; whilst in the other case, it is perfectly normal for the foetus to be eliminated. The question which everyone seems to be dodging is who do we hold responsible for the "sin" that occurs in spontaneous abortions?! Surely, if abortion is a sin, then someone must be held responsible when spontaneous abortions occur on its own.

hornipipe:

urs was packaged wit a time bomb it will soon explode

naijababe:

For the last time quit running around in circles.  A woman who suffers a miscarriage will be sad and probably have feeling close to regret because she'll think it was due to something did wrong. Even the most rational woman will experience a huge sense of loss at having lost an unborn child, that feeling is not dissimilar to someone who deliberately kills a life and the guilt aka feeling of having committed a sin that ensues.

claremont:

In other words, according to you, no one is to be held responsible when abortion occurs on its own; but if it is induced, it becomes a sin.

You see this is the very thing I find confusing about this whole issue. On the one hand, I'm told that abortion is a sin against god and man; on the other hand, I'm told that there are some types of abortion which is not a sin. What makes these propositions very dodgy is that the people who tout them can't even properly explain them so a lay man can understand. Therefore, it is safe for us to conclude that they tout religious principles that they themselves do not understand either.

claremont:

In other words, according to you, no one is to be held responsible when abortion occurs on its own; but if it is induced, it becomes a sin.

You see this is the very thing I find confusing about this whole issue. On the one hand, I'm told that abortion is a sin against god and man; on the other hand, I'm told that there are some types of abortion which is not a sin. What makes these propositions very dodgy is that the people who tout them can't even properly explain them so a lay man can understand. Therefore, it is safe for us to conclude that they tout religious principles that they themselves do not understand either.

talina:

I think the point is, when abortion occurs on its own, it happened for a reason because something is wrong. When abortion is induced, we make the choice whether is lives or dies,and that is the issue that causes all the debates and problems. I understand the contradictions youre talking about though.

donguutti:

Onions and tomato join together for Pot(UK), come make stew , now tomato friend dey ask us, should we tell onions say stew done ready
or should we pour the stew away?
She has to decide if the she wants the baby, its a personal choice, telling the onions father may or may not lead to acceptance of responsiblity,
if she can handle the rejection that might follow, nd brace up to be a single mum, then she should keep it if not then  the baby could be aborted
or giving up for adoption.