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Kophschmerzen:
You are a brainless nematode, the Russians made the hash tag trend on twitter. Which of that's difficult for your non functional head.

Only a fledgling pig like you would call legitimate memos obtained from DOJ "junk promoted by Russian bots." You need to kill yourself, waste of seminal fluid.

brocab:
You are right

You're welcome!

This is for protestants like you who may desire to seek the truth and know God more: https://chnetwork.org/converts/

brocab:
Is the unbiblical teaching, pray to Mary-pray to the saints, is this unbibical? Do we make idols and place them in church buildings is this unbiblical?
Or is this biblical because the Catholic Church claims it to be? Or you believe the Catholic Church holds the secrets of God under lock and key?
DO YOU NOT KNOW ITS THE SPIRIT WHO TEACHES US THE WORD OF GOD-ITS THE SPIRIT WHO HOLDS THE SECRETS OF GOD. FLESH CAN NOT HOLD THESE SECRETS?

You are off the topic here. The point is, teaching bible only doctrine is unbiblical. God condemns those who cause divisions in the church because they do so without his approval. (I Cor. 11:18-19). Even the Ephesian church was warned that savage wolves would tear people away from the church (Acts. 20:28-29).

brocab:
[color=#000099]NO" Martin Luther discredited the Catholic Church this is what I know, Martin Luther led us to Christ through the written Word of God.
1500 years after Christ, and still Christ finds men of great faith, The bible was written by the apostles who were filled with the Holy Spirit. Preaching the Word of God is biblical, Martin Luther preached the bible..

Between the Early Christians including the Apostles preached written and unwritten Word of God while your founder Martin Luther preached written Word alone. Even a mentally challenged person would know the difference here: Luther was led away by the devil. One of the vilest devices of satan warned against in Scripture is raise up people who will cause divisions and strife in the Church. This in turn will tear the Church to pieces, harm as many as possible, and utterly ruin the peace and unity of the Body of Christ. Paul warned us of this wicked device in 2 Cor. 2:11; 1 Cor. 1:10; 3:1-3; 11:17-19; 2 Cor. 11:20).

The peace and unity of the Church is a divine mandate of the highest priority: Psa. 133:1-3; Mat. 5:9; Rom. 12:18-21; 1 Cor. 7:15; 14:33; 2 Cor. 13:11; Eph. 4:1-6; 1 Thess. 5:12-15; Heb. 13:1; James 3:13-18; 1 Pet. 3:8-12.

So, don't ever equate Early Christians with Martin Luther. He separated himself from The Body of Christ, His Church. Same with his followers, although his followers (including you) are not aware of this.

brocab:
No I am not admitting against Martin Luther, nor against the Word of God-Ask yourself this, are you not a child of God, that not even the Holy Spirit can convict you, over your conviction you have against Martin Luther.
Are you a child of the law, or are you a child of Christ? Are you free, or are you in bondage..
Did Martin Luther sin against the Catholic Church-or did he sin against Christ?
Do you know Christ? Do you know Christ speaks through the written Word of God, as Martin Luther taught? Have you ever heard from Christ in Word? If yes, then why do you Judge your brother Martin Luther in Christ?

I repeat, judgement is of God alone. What you and I both know is that Martin Luther discredited and rejected the unwritten word of God. The apostles of Jesus preached both the written and unwritten Word of God, and Christianity has been that way until the devil deceived Martin Luther to start teaching 'bible alone'. Bible (written word) alone doctrine is man-made by Martin Luther, it's not in line with what the bible says. Preaching the bible alone as a rule of faith is unbiblical.

Kophschmerzen:
Illiterate it's at the prerogatives of the drumpf to declassify. Loan your brain for a piece of morsel.

It has to be voted on by the committee first, dimwit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvNKtUTjhTI

Kophschmerzen:
Illiterate it's at the prerogatives of the drumpf to declassify. Loan your brain for a piece of morsel.

M0r0n, why the need to declassify "junk promoted by Russian bots?" Why hasn't 'Leaky' Adam Schiff done his usual leaking on this?

brocab:
I have been saying it all along-Paul knew the Word of God-either by Word, by letter, or he wrote, everything Paul did-he didn't do it for himself he did it for God, Paul believed everything God had en-stored for him, these Word Paul spoke of, were directed from God.

Are you now admitting that Martin Luther misled his followers by giving them only one part (written) instead of both parts (written and unwritten) of the Word of God?

brocab:
Listen we all sin, and we all fall sort of the glory of God, {"No one is good} but we have a loving God, who can forgive us, do we not walk according to God's will, then why do you find it hard to forgive Martin Luther, to forgive the protestants, to forgive the Judge? [/color]

God forgives a sinner who has repented and turn from his sinful ways. Martin Luther appeared about 1400 years after Christ and rejected the unwritten word of God after becoming a priest. By preaching to protestants that they ONLY need the bible, he misled many souls and has continued to do so till today. Unfortunately, he did not repent and change from his ways. Only God can judge him, not me.

Kophschmerzen:
Devin Nunes put together junk promoted by Russian bots. You have the IQ of a woodpecker.

Why did Democrats vote to not release it? Do you have any brain at all?

Lucasbalo:
The Bottomline is that 99% of The brainstems licking the racist orange a*s here don't even have a clue how things work in US. With their line of thoughts, you wonder why their leaders turn them to Zombies.

#ReleaseTheMemo is trending on twitter. Obama/Clinton admin has been busted bigly

brocab:
I am not arguing with you-maybe it's time you come up with the answers, I have no-idea what traditions you are preferring too. And how do you follow these traditions if they aren't written in the Word of God? And what traditions do you follow? explain them to me, like I said if it isn't written it isn't there. Plus in what name did these traditions came, who gave you the authority to follow these traditions?

Good. I'm sure I got your mind working hard to figure that out. But to answer your question, the traditions are passed down from generation to generation, to our present generation. And will continue until the end of time.

To make this more clear to you, take Apostle Paul for example. He obviously know a lot more than he wrote in his letters. Paul did not intend these letters to be kept for posterity. He wrote them to communicate with distant churches, to encourage, to cajole, to inform, and to respond to events that he had heard about. The reason they have been kept is because they are full of timeless wisdom, as well as being the earliest writings of the Church. The early Church members or early Christians obviously know more than just the written tradition because they were preached to orally and directly by the apostles who of course have most of the knowledge about Christ and His teachings.

So, this knowledge they possess has been passed down through ages and it remains within the Church. Now if one of the members of the Church (Martin Luther) decides to secede from the Church and limit his teachings ONLY to the written tradition (bible), such a person can no longer teach all he he was taught because he has limited his scope only to the written (bible). Don't forget that Martin Luther was a priest and monk and had full knowledge of the teachings. But then, after he was excommunicated by the Church, he limited his Christianity to bible only (sola scriptura).

Now you understand why protestants like you were shortchanged by Luther. He had access to the complete teaching, both written and unwritten, but he gave his followers (including you) only the written (bible).

According to Paul's letter to Timothy (1 Timothy 3:15), The Church is the pillar and ground of truth; the Apostles and consequently their successors have the right to impose their doctrine; whosoever refuses to believe them shall be condemned, whosoever rejects anything is shipwrecked in the Faith. The content of the faith handed to the Church by Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit are Sacred Scripture (Bible) and Sacred or Apostolic Tradition. Both come from the one source - the word of God. This authority is therefore infallible. And this infallibility is guaranteed implicitly but directly by the promise of the Saviour in the Great Commission of the Church: "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

brocab:
It seems you are looking for the answers-in no way have you produced your interpretation, how you see these verses..
{2 Thessalonians 2:13-15} But we should and are [morally] obligated [as debtors] always to give thanks to God for you, believers beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through the sanctifying work of the Spirit [that sets you apart for God’s purpose] and by your faith in the truth [of God’s word that leads you to spiritual maturity].
Again I say it-the traditions are the traditions of God-either by teaching, either by word, and either by letter, we now call the bible.
It was to this end that He called you through our gospel [the good news of Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection] so that you may obtain and share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold [tightly] to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.

Are both the word (oral tradition) and the letter (written tradition) included in the bible?

{2 Thessalonians 2:14-16} To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter.

@brocab, what did Apostle Paul mean by 'traditions taught by speech?'

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Happy bed day is advice

Mall-ywood. What's the title of the movie?

Is she a vurgen?

Please send all stats including body count to 9inches@gmail.com. My people will review and get back to you. Thanks.

Op I have one kweshun for you, why evilz?

No need, people will vote in the election.

brocab:
So I am supporting my brother in Christ? Don't you support your fellow comrades?

I didn't ask him any question, so your support wasn't needed.

brocab:
Both was your answer to this question-meaning we live by the traditions of man and God-We can get this speech from God Himself..Peter speech it, but you are not agreeable with the bible verses on that..

You are the one obsessed with the traditions of man. I haven't mentioned such a thing because I don't believe in it; maybe you do, which is ok by me.
Now can you answer the question below?

{2 Thessalonians 2:14-16} To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter.

Where can we find the highlighted teaching today? Noting that this letter was written before 70 AD, and we are in 2018, how and where can we get this "speech" since we already have the "letter"?

brocab:
Easy you believe we are to obey both man and God's traditions?
But what does the bible say?

I did not say that. If that's what you believe, good for you.

9inches:
Where can we find the highlighted teaching? Note the book was written before 70 AD, and we are in 2018, how and where can one get this "speech" since we already have the "letter"?

Can you answer the above question now without deflecting?

brocab:
As a Catholic-have you ever heard from God? all is it something you believe the priest are the ones that hear from God?
{Romans 13:13} convicted and converted the immoral Augustine. For Martin Luther, a miserable monk, the light broke in through
{Romans 1:17} He said, Night and day I pondered until I saw the connection between the justice of God and the statement that "the just shall live by his faith.
Why has the Bible had this abiding relevance and power? I believe the answer is found in our text.
{2 Peter 1:20–21} "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
This passage teaches that when you read Scripture, what you are reading does not merely come from a man but also from God.
The Bible is the writing of many different men. But it is also far more than that. Yes, men spoke. They spoke with their own language and style.
But Peter mentions two other dimensions of their speaking. Speaking from God, Moved by the Holy Spirit, First, they spoke from God. What they have to say is not merely from their own limited perspective. They are not the origin of the truth they speak; they are the channel. The truth is God's truth. Their meaning is God's meaning.

The reply was meant for Solite3, not you.

brocab:
{Acts 5:29–32} But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins…
The Gospel Preaching in Acts” here on the Apostle Peter’s sermons in the book of Acts.
The content of these speeches shows the absence of the fear of human rejection, which paralyzed him earlier and caused him to disown Jesus–by saying “I do not know [him]
(Matthew 26:69-75, Mark 14:66-72, Luke 24:54-62, John 18:25-27) The content of these speeches show that Holy Spirit empowered witness to the facts of Jesus’ life, death and resurrection have no substitute, and that the methods and the message are God ordained..
{Acts 2:14–39} But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.…
(Acts 3:11-4:4, Acts 4:8-12, Acts 10:34-43)

9inches:
Where can we find the highlighted teaching? Note the book was written before 70 AD, and we are in 2018, how and where can one get this "speech" since we already have the "letter"?

Can't you answer the question? It's bible passage o, not made up. Please explain.

solite3:
if the bible is not the sole rule of the Christian faith, then what is?

The Bible (written books) and Divine tradition (written traditions)

New Testament:
Christ gave His disciples no specific command to write, but only to teach: "going therefore, teach ye all nations, . . . teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you" (Matthew 28:19-20). "As the Father hath sent me, I also send you" (John 20:21). And in accordance with this, the Church is everywhere presented to us as a living and undying society composed of the teachers and the taught. Christ is in the Church, and is its Head; and He promised that the Holy Spirit should be with it and abide in it. "He will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you" (John 14:26). Hence St. Paul calls the Church "the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15; cf. Mark 16:16; Romans 10:17; Acts 15:28).

Tradition:
The same doctrine appears in the writings of the Fathers of every age; thus St. Ignatius (Letter to the Trallians 7) "Keep yourselves from heretics. You will be able to do this if you are not puffed up with pride, and (so) separated from (our) God, Jesus Christ, and from the bishop, and from the precepts of the Apostles. He who is within the altar is clean, he who is without is not clean; that is, he who acts any way without the bishop, the priestly body, and the deacons, is not clean in conscience". And St. Irenæus ("Adv. Haer.", III, ii) says, of heretics, that "not one of them but feels no shame in preaching himself, and thus depraving the rule of faith" (ton tes aletheias kanona); and again (III, iv), "it is not right to seek from others that truth which it is easy to get from the Church, since the Apostles poured into it in fullest measure, as into a rich treasury, all that belongs to the truth, so that whosoever desires may drink thence the draught of life". A little further on, he speaks (V, xx) of the "true and sound preaching of the Church, which offers to the whole world one and the same way of salvation"

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05766b.htm

brocab:
{2 Thessalonians 2:14-16} To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter.
Are you lost about the word speech-when your priest preachers to you, he is doing it in speech. One tradition one gospel, one God, one Lord and one Spirit..How do you find two traditions?

Where can we find the highlighted teaching? Note the book was written before 70 AD, and we are in 2018, how and where can one get this "speech" since we already have the "letter"?

brocab:
{2 Thessalonians 2:14-16} To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter.
{They preached and they wrote the Word of God, and nothing in it has anything to do with the traditions of men}

We both agree the "letter" part is compiled in the bible. Where can we find the "speech" part? Remember, it says "stand firm and cling" to BOTH.

LordReed:
Religious liberty? So muslims will be allowed right?

Of course.

brocab:
Because you prefer to seek to live by the traditions of men, then maybe you should be focusing on these two verses, you don't like my information, haven't you worked it out yet-we all learn of each other, it wouldn't matter how or where I retrieved my information on
scripture, you will always find fault with the Word of God, the bible which is spiritual is never enough!
{Mark 7:8} You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and you do many things like that.
{Colossians 2:8} See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
I have never read great faith among the Catholic Church, it's always about how great your Church stands, denying the Word of God-you have used Peter us a stumbling block, using his very own fleshly foundations to build the Church in Rome.
{Titus 1:15-16} To the pure, all things are pure; but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Indeed, both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny Him by their actions. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for any good deed.
I don't follow the Catholic Church-reason you are not in line with the Word of God-you worship god's-and like any other cult-claiming to know God, but they deny Him by their actions.

You are all over the place with your comments. I have no issue with the verses you quoted above. They are not debatable and in line with Catholic teaching. However, it seems you have issues with 2 Thessalonians 2:15, you chose to believe only a part of it. Am I wrong?

brocab:
[color=#000099]Have we decided to change the topic, couldn't you come up with any of the answers? http://www.truthontheweb.org/sola.htm

You are all over the place, copying and pasting from websites. Most of what you post are not even under contention and has no bearing in this argument. I would think you should know what you are talking about instead of argument of copy and paste.

I quoted 3 verses from the bible which you should have zeroed in on. Please explain the verses and in context.

LordReed:
How is someone who is not godly going to restore a country to godliness? By their fruits you shall know them, an apple tree does not bear oranges. Trump is not godly and will not restore any godliness,don't kid yourself.

Again, the context matters. He meant restoring and promoting religious liberty.