[quote author=brocab post=65210236][/quote]You are copying and pasting an entire homepage of EWTN website. That's not what I asked you to do.
Example: 1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture: You believe Calling the Priests "Father" is forbidden because of Matt. 23:9.
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2): Read the explanations in number 2 and also (2 Kings 6:21) and explain how they contradict Matt. 23:9 on the issue of calling a priest or a parent father.
brocab: Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 2:18pm On Feb 15 Open any of the links, search for any topic you desire, for example bowing to statues and paste the teachings you find here so we can criticize the teachings together. You have to understand THE REASON WHY the Church believes or practices whatever it believes or practices. The reasons you can find here. Copy and paste any of them here and criticize it: Sound Hypocritical, coming from a Catholic-so you prefer me to criticize these sites-so you can laugh with me? Why criticize your Church, together we could search the scriptures to find the truth where your Church began? History First Christians-According to Catholic Church tradition, Saint Peter established the church in Antioch, and was the city's first bishop. before going to Rome to found the Church there. But was it Peter? "It was in the city of Antioch (modern day Antakya in southeast Turkey) that Christians were first so called {Acts 11:26} "After having gone to Tarsus to get the new convert Saul, only recently a persecutor of the church himself, Barnabas returns with Saul and they work with the church at Antioch for a year. What an encouragement he must have been to Saul, for most believers were still afraid of him. Later, Barnabas and Saul (soon to be known as Paul) will travel through Asia Minor together establishing many churches in many different cities. Antioch would become their "headquarters" from where they would launch their missions and return after completing them.
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):
brocab: So you would like me to criticize the Catholic's-I have a better idea, lets start with lining up your doctrines of traditions and how Paul actually had interpreted it in the scriptures. {2 Thessalonians 3:6}Has nothing to do with the "Sacred Tradition" claimed by the Roman Catholic Church. It is about not being idle and failing to work. But that hasn't stopped the Roman Catholic church from reading into the scripture the idea that "tradition" means apostolic pronouncements that were orally deposited to the Roman Catholic Church which then releases them over time. They should stick with what the text actually says, and not what it does not. In the New Testament, the word "tradition" also has reference to that which has been passed down. In some contexts, it is clear that some things (doctrines, rituals) passed down by man are contrary to the Word of God, and should be forsaken see {Mark 7:13} The fact something is passed down from one time to another does not mean it must be forsaken. But if it is contrary to the Word of God (whether traditional or contemporary), it should be forsaken {Colossians 2:8} In other contexts, there are traditions we ought to hold and perpetuate. Paul wrote to the Thessalonians and said, "Stand fast and hold the traditions,"{2 Thessalonians 2:15} Here, traditions are those ordinances, precepts and teachings transmitted through the apostles of Christ, and intended for all future generations. Remember what Jesus said to His men when He sent them out after His resurrection? "... teach them to observe all things that I have commanded you," {Matt. 28:20}As an apostle of Christ, Paul taught what Christ commanded, and this body of instruction transmitted through the apostles is now preserved in the New Testament. Our obligation is to learn these instructions, then "stand fast" and "hold" them against all threats and temptations. In the next chapter, Paul adds this: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received from us." {2 Thessalonians 3:6} Not only must I stand fast and hold the traditions {New Testament} I'm also obligated to join with others in the local church to take action against those who rebel and refuse to keep these sacred traditions. It is the teachings (paradoseis, 'traditions'). Paradosis means truth which, having been received, must be faithfully handed on. In this case it is Paul's own teaching, which he had received from God{1 Thessalonians 2:13} and which subsequently, he writes, we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth (his oral instruction when present with them) or by letter (his written instruction when absent). So these paradoseis are not the later 'traditions of the church,' but the original teachings or traditions of the apostles. It is vital to preserve this distinction between the two kinds of tradition. The apostolic traditions are the foundation of Christian faith and life, while subsequent ecclesiastical traditions are the superstructure which 'the church' has erected on it. The primary traditions, to which we should hold fast, are those which the apostles received from Christ {either the historic Christ or the living Spirit of Christ} which they taught the early church by word or letter, and which are now preserved in the New Testament. To 'stand firm and hold to the teachings' means in our case to be ... uncompromisingly loyal to the teaching of Christ and his apostles. This is the road to stability. The only way to resist false teaching is to cling to the true teaching that is written in the bible."
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:
brocab: Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters.
One at a time. The apparition of Mary to St. Dominic or the Perpetual Virginity of Mary
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):
brocab: [s]Catholics believe that truth is found in the Bible, as interpreted by the Catholic church only, but also found in Catholic church tradition. Catholics give honor to statues and images as symbolic of the individual saints.[/s]
I said state or quote the INTERPRETATION from Catholic source. You only restated a belief of the Catholic Church, but then what is the whole teaching behind that to support the practice or belief? And by the way, this has nothing to do with Catholic interpretation of your number 1 above. Open any of the links, search for any topic you desire, for example bowing to statues and paste the teachings you find here so we can criticize the teachings together. You have to understand THE REASON WHY the Church believes or practices whatever it believes or practices. The reasons you can find here. Copy and paste any of them here and criticize it: https://www.catholic.com/all http://www.ewtn.com/search.asp
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):
brocab: [s]{Matthew 6:7} "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters. The Pope teaches that Mary is the mediator between God and man. Catholics also engage in more praising of Mary than Jesus Christ himself and actually pray to her to have their prayers answered. Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are "Hail Marys", but only 6 beads are "Our Father". The Rosary most often ends with a "Hail, Holy Queen" prayer to Mary, not God. But whom do we believe/the Catholic's/or do we believe the Word of God?[/s]
Number 3 says criticize the teaching in number 2. This segment is for you to find faults in the teachings and interpretations from Catholic sources in number 2.
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:
brocab: Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters.
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):
brocab: Catholics believe that truth is found in the Bible, as interpreted by the Catholic church only, but also found in Catholic church tradition. Catholics give honor to statues and images as symbolic of the individual saints.
This has nothing to do with Catholic interpretation of your number 1 above. Open any of the links, search for any topic you desire, for example bowing to statues and paste the teachings you find here so we can criticize the teachings together. You have to understand the
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):
brocab: {Matthew 6:7} "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters. The Pope teaches that Mary is the mediator between God and man. Catholics also engage in more praising of Mary than Jesus Christ himself and actually pray to her to have their prayers answered. Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are "Hail Marys", but only 6 beads are "Our Father". The Rosary most often ends with a "Hail, Holy Queen" prayer to Mary, not God. But whom do we believe/the Catholic's/or do we believe the Word of God?
brocab: Is this you final answer-this is what you have finally come up with-why do the Catholic's always turn to this sort of rubbish-it took One man to save the world-but it wasn't this unbelieving so called protestant man, he was never a protestant-he's Catholic, like most Catholic's that never read their bibles-this man is a lazy believer-Just like you-he doesn't believe-he didn't know God, he was brought up as a another bum sitting in Church. Why try to give me this kind of rubbish-This man wasn't a born again believer-this man's Catholic, he never knew Christ from the beginning, visa versa. Believers don't turn their backs on Christ, and if this man was ever a protestant-someone else wrote this rubbish-and planted a photo of this man-maybe he is a priest-true protestant believers don't lie against the Holy spirit-they don't turn their backs against Christ, if not this man, someone is lying-and allow me to guess who that will be.
You know the man well enough, right? How old are you again?
brocab: I am so glad you believe me-because the world believes me too-and I believe Jesus believes me, because I believe-your doctrine does not stand concerning the Word of God.
brocab: I am so glad you believe me-because the world believes me too-and I believe Jesus believes me, because I believe-your doctrine does not stand concerning the Word of God.
brocab: To be honest I haven't been trying-and the sites you have shared with me-really doesn't make a difference-every time I have search for Catholic sites, there's always some news that go's against it, nothing good come's out of the Catholic Church-nothing to be so highly proud of anyway, you are a faithful believer in the Catholic Church, I have shared the Word of God to you, and still you have refused it with a passion, but that is your choice. "Just talking about official teaching of the Church' isn't the problem, what is, none of you practice it, nor do you truly believe it. Anybody can claim they are christian-Jesus said: by their fruit we will know them, and if you practiced such bible teachings as you say the Church obeys, then I suppose we wouldn't hear of the many stories of wrongs that happens in the Catholic Church, back in the past and still today, and with no justice served-the Church turns a blind eye-leaving their victims standing alone-without a trial against the perpetrator, a priest who forced themselves upon a innocent Child, and still have the expectancy to be called a priest your father after he had broken all the rules. Or had he broken the rules? Of course we don't know about the hidden agenda's of the secret society, with these hidden teachings? If you were to believe the teachings of the Catholic Church, as you say you do, than you must fellowship with these monsters, but if you said to me, you believed in the written Word of God-then with evidence it would prove God had separated you, taken you out from a murderous Church that have caused crimes against God and humanity. "And plus you haven't shared nothing about anything."But as we can see-your fruit tells the story. News travel's-but the problem is, you bow down to your Church as if it were made of previous Jewel's, you haven't given anything that is positive, nothing to help me to understand, that God had removed you out from the flock, and Christ is actually working in your life. You would like me to think how great your Church stands above all man kind-and you want us to believe how faithful you are towards the Catholic Church, but the fact is, where is Jesus's name-and whereabouts does He stand in the building you believe will save the world.
I can't read all these. Make use of the format below. 1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):
brocab: You mean this is what you teach-and you expect us to believe the Catholic's actually believe this? And thanks for your site, because this is what the Catholic's say they believe, but in the hearts of many-the opposite to this, is what many of them truly believe. D. Sexual Sterilization. E. Eugenics. F. Homosexuality. 1. The homosexual orientation is intrinsically disordered. It is a well known fact the priest molest boys.. 2. No Bishop or priest may in any way support pro-homosexual organizations that call themselves "Catholic." {Matthew 18:6} "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. So why do priest claim they are Catholic still, after they had coursed one of these little ones to stubble? G. Other Matters Concerning Sexual Morality. 1. Cohabitation ("shacking up" is entirely contrary to God's law and can never be justified. When did the Catholic Church ever agreed on God's law, the Vatican and all those who swear by it, are guilty of these Crimes against humanity. 2. Masturbation ("self-abuse" is an intrinsically disordered act. {Corinthians 7:9}But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. If the Vatican of priest had done the above-and kept their hands to themselves-how many in the worlds population, would be with Christ now saved. 3. Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo. Respect and dignity, come-on who are you trying to fool? Further Reading is Required. It must be noted that the excerpts quoted in this chapter focus narrowly on what kinds of sexual behavior are and are not considered licit by the Catholic Church. As such, they are most suited for use in debates to rebut statements by dissidents or those who are ignorant of Church teachings and who are attempting to give the impression that the Church is more "diverse" in its instruction on sexual morality than it really is. In order to comprehend the beauty, richness, and wisdom of the quoted Church documents, it is necessary for the reader to take the time to sit down, read them, and contemplate their messages, and beware of the false literature the Catholic's try and teach the world about whom their true god really is.. Eyewitnesses Testify: Pope Francis Raped and Killed Children; Sealed Vatican Documents Expose Their Satanic Rituals Last month I was reporting that Pope Francis, the Jesuits and the Church of England will be prosecuted for child trafficking and genocide. The Queen of England was already found guilty by a previous trial. Here is how the trial is unfolding: This article was based on today's exclusive interview with Kevin Annett of the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State on this week's litigation in the Brussels Common Law Court of Justice. 1 Five judges and 27 jury members from six countries including the USA, considered evidence on over 50,000 missing Canadian, US, Argentine and European children who were suspected victims of an international child sacrificial cult referred to as the Ninth Circle. Two adolescent women claimed that Pope Francis raped them while participating in child sacrifices. Eight eyewitnesses confirmed the allegations according to evidence presented this week at a Brussels Common Law Court of Justice. The Ninth Circle Satanic child sacrifice rituals were said to take place during the Springs of 2009 and 2010 in rural Holland and Belgium. Pope Francis was also a perpetrator in satanic child sacrifice rites while acting as an Argentine priest and Bishop according to records obtained from the Vatican archives. A prominent Vatican official and former Vatican Curia employee obtained the sealed documents for use by the court. This was not the first time satanic activities were suspected to be at the Vatican according to this ABC news story. (2) Another witness was set to testify that they were present during Pope Francis' meetings with the military Junta during Argentine's 1970's Dirty War. According to the witness, Pope Francis helped traffic children of missing political prisoners into an international child exploitation ring run by an office at the Vatican. Evidence of a Catholic Jesuit Order document called the “Magisterial Privilege" was presented in court by the Chief Prosecutor. The record dated Dec. 25 1967 was said to show that every new Pope was required to participate in Ninth Circle Satanic ritual sacrifices of newborn children, including drinking their blood.http://humansarefree.com But when the world keeps on repeating the same old stories, time and time again, someone should investigate.
You are trying but you are still not sticking to the script. We are talking about official teaching of the Church, not what people chose to do in their lives. 1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture:
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?):
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture (criticize the teaching in number 2):
brocab: I suppose I can't read anything you have written either, maybe because you haven't written it yet.. I know you find the bible-a little hard for you to read-but hey, I have asked you to prove some facts about the Catholic Church, and still nothing.
Use the format and I'll answer and prove everything you want.
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture 2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?) 3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.
brocab: The Beloved Disciple and His Book, this is way of track but I would like to say, it just shows why the bible was written, and how necessarily it was to spread the gospel of Christ.. {John 21:20-25} {20] Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following, who also had leaned on His breast at the supper, and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” {21} Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?” {22} Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.” {23} Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?” {24} This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true. {25}And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen. But of course the Catholic Church have always claimed they hold all these missing secrets, the unknown miracles that Jesus done, and of course just by word of mouth no-one had written anything down for safe keeping, but from priest to priest you have always kept these hidden secrets throughout the centuries, without twisting nor turning the missing links, just the same way, the disciple, have said them at the beginning, the Catholic Church had remembered them word for word-just as Peter had told them? And since the Word of God isn't just written in the bible, then it must be only in the minds of the true priesthood believers, and the Holy Spirit wasn't needed as planned by God to teach us all things.. "Plus since I came up with the rightful answer for "number 3" then at least with flying colours you finish it with evidence this actually does exist, and where in scripture does it apply to bible knowledge, everything the Holy spirit revealed to the disciples it was written down.
I can't read this, it's quite clustered. Apply the format I asked you to use.
kolawoleibukun: are u stupid for asking her 2 break her relatnship becos she asked you a question? WEtin day make una feel say una holy pass thou sef? All these catholics girls way I don fork tire fork nonsense comot for their brains go come here day come act like say dem dem sense
He has neither mentioned holiness nor claimed to be holy. You are making things up, like a straw man argument.
brocab: I found this-What does it mean to be a woman today? Is there a one-size-fits-all answer? How can a woman be truly Catholic and truly feminine, hard-working and creative, and yet be at peace within? How does she nurture life at home, at school, on the job or in the culture? In this profound yet practical guide, Genevieve Kineke invites women to consider the Church, the Bride of Christ, as the model for authentic Catholic womanhood. "The mission of women is inscribed in the mystery of the Church," Pope John Paul II said. The author explores facets of this mystery—the Church as mother, bride, spouse and teacher, as sacramental, as font of wisdom, source of culture, and life-giving sanctuary—and reveals how women mirror the Church in their core identity. Faithful to this authentic identity, women will play a critical role in rebuilding a civilization of love and life. And I suppose these are the super women the Catholic Church expects them to be women without the Spirit of the Lord, who can do the impossible in the flesh-I suppose these are the women who also carry the mark of their God, on their right hand and on their foreheads.
Keep on "supposing." Use the format and ALL your questions will be answered.
brocab: Here we go again-to much winching, not enough evidence..Again you are expecting me to come up with Catholic knowledge, question are you having trouble finding any truth-matter of fact do you own a bible? I have found what I needed to answer your questionnaire, show me where I went wrong-or even better maybe you should give me the answers-only if you know them of course.. And who said I wanted to be a student-I learn from the Lord-the bible is my tools of wisdom and knowledge. 1 2 3 were answered with flying colours-maybe you should be the student and ask the Lord to spell "bible" out for you..
You are not answering (2). That is the main issue.
brocab: Now it is my ages fault now-you have asked me to back up my theories, and I do as a crime against humanity of the Catholic Church, and still you have disagreed with Catholic knowledge.
I had to ask because you keep going round in your baseless argument. See, if you want to argue or counter someone's argument or claims, you should state exactly what that person's argument and point of view is, and NOT WHAT YOU THINK the person's argument is. That falls into number (2) of the format I asked you to use. Don't start criticizing or even condemning what you have no idea about.
brocab: I have given you heaps of information that proves the Catholic Church is teaching a false doctrine.
What you have been posting are practices, not teachings. Before any doctor, engineer, carpenter, driver, tailor, etc starts practicing, there must be teaching. Teaching comes before practice.
So, I expect from now, you will state the teachings behind any Catholic practice are going to mention. I will give you where to get Catholic teachings on everything including the bible.
brocab: So I failed number 2-and then I gained 2 as the right answer, number 1 past with flying colours-now it's number 3. Just looking at number 1 and number 2, this should bring to light the truth about the Catholic Church, if you had failed two commandment, you have failed them all. You expect me to search through the Catholic site, but yet when I have found things in the catholic sites you have disagreed with me, it seems not even the Catholic's agree with you.. Catholics believe that Peter is the foundation of the church. Christ is the foundation: {1 Cor 3:11} Number 3>Catholics are taught that only the priests can understand the Bible and the common man cannot; But the scriptures say that when anyone reads they can understand, {Eph 3:4, Romans 15:4} Catholics will not personally defend their faith from the Bible but will instead refer to what the priest teaches. Yet every Christian must be able to defend the faith themselves: {1 Peter 3:15} Why do Catholics Oppose Bible? The reason Catholics oppose the Bible is because it opposes them. Following is a list of twenty two passages which condemn various teachings and practices of the Catholic Church.
1. Ex. 20:4 5 (Images)
2. Ezek. 18:20 (Original sin)
3. Matt. 20:20 28 (Hierarchy)
4. Matt. 23:5 6 (Clerical dress)
5. Matt. 23:9 ("Father"
6. Matt. 26:28 (Withholding cup)
7. Matt. 28:19 (Infant baptism)
8. Mark 7:8, 13 (Tradition)
9. Luke 11:27 28 (Adoration of Mary)
10. Luke 16:26 (Purgatory)
11. Luke 22:24 27 (Primacy of Peter)
12. Rom. 6:4 (Pouring)
13. I Cor. 1:2 ("Saints"
14. Gal. 4:9 11 (Special days)
15. 11 Thess. 2:4 (Pope has place of God)
16. I Tim. 2:5 (Many Mediators)
17. I Tim. 3:2 (Unmarried bishops)
18. I Tim. 4:3 (Forbid marriage)
19. 11 Tim. 3:16 17 (Many authorities)
20. Heb. 8:12 (Indulgence)
21. James 5:16 (Confess to priest)
22. I Pet. 2:5, 9 ("Priesthood"
No religious institution on earth has as much to fear about its members reading the Bible as the Catholic Church' When Catholics study the Bible they learn that in order to please God, they must discard the many false doctrines which their church has accumulated over the centuries. Following is an excerpt from an address given by the Cardinals to Pope Pius III, and is preserved in the National Library of Paris, Folio No. 1068, Vol. 2, pp. 650 651: "Of all the advice that we can offer your holiness we must open your eyes well and use all possible force in the matter, namely to permit the reading of the gospel as little as possible in all the countries under your jurisdiction. Let the very little part of the gospel suffice which is usually read in mass, and let no one be permitted to read more. So long as people will be content with the small amount, your interest will prosper; but as soon as the people want to read more, your interest will fail. The Bible is a book, which more than any other, has raised against us the tumults and tempests by which we have almost perished. In fact, if one compares the teaching of the Bible with what takes place in our churches, he will soon find discord, and will realize that our teachings are often different from the Bible, and oftener still, contrary to it."
How old are you? I just told you anytime you claim Catholic Church does this or Catholic Church believes this, you should be able to back up such claims with an authentic Catholic source.
You don't know any single teaching of the Catholic Church, the Church that compiled and authenticated the bible you are claiming you know. You only say what you think you know but you really don't know anything. Your very poor biblical knowledge alone is showing and worrisome.
brocab: I only know what History tells me who and what the Catholic Church is, and through interpretation I find my answers, I am not asking you to like the things I have written down, I don't expect you to agree on such true evidence, how the world understands the Catholic Church, and how the Catholic Church shows themselves to the world. It's your choice-I have come to you in love-you don't know Him, nor does He know you, I plead with you in love-cry out unto the Lord and repent and turn from your sinful ways. If you disagree then you should be worrying-the time has began, it's coming to pass-when Christ returns. You have no idea whom you worship-and your doctrine doesn't belong to Christ, you will burn in hell for eternity, and no-one will be able to pay indulgence nor purgatory monies to bail you out of your prison you have created for yourself.
brocab: Try this for size this is where the Catholic Church came from, I got these verses from the bible, and it proves the Pharisees back then are the priest in today's Catholic Church.. {John 11:45-54} Things Jesus did, believed in Him. 46 But some of them went away to the Pharisees and told them the things Jesus did. 47 Then the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered a council and said, “What shall we do? For this Man works many signs. 48 If we let Him alone like this, everyone will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and nation.”[color=#000099] {Other words-the Catholic Church came out of Rome} 49 And one of them,[/color] Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, 50 nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.” 51 Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad. 53 Then, from that day on, they plotted to put Him to death. 54 Therefore Jesus no longer walked openly among the Jews, but went from there into the country near the wilderness, to a city called Ephraim, and there remained with His disciples.
brocab: As I had said: as long it is the Word of God you are teaching, I am all ears, but as usual you are buffing your away out from the Word of God once again. Plus how many times have I have asked many questions from liars-people who don't use the Word God as their back up tool, but interpret their own brainwashed teachings, and since we have written to each other, I am still waiting for your knowledge, Question:where about's is it written in the bible that you truly believe? It seems you have only mentioned what you have been taught through the Catholic Church, how you believe, I am still waiting to receive the correct answers from somebody, I search and I study and I find my evidence through history, and usually I then end up reading the interpretations, about my search, so if you are not prepared to answer the truth, then I will find my answers elsewhere.
You are not helping your ignorance at all by recognizing that you don't know, yet still not desiring to learn. You don't question your professor on why he did not come to class with a textbook. As a student, your role is to pay attention, ask questions if anything he teaches remains unclear to you. You can of course read your textbooks after lectures to see whether what you have been taught is accurate or not.
If you want to learn, follow the 3 simple format I have posted several times.
brocab: As I had said: as long it is the Word of God you are teaching, I am all ears, but as usual you are buffing your away out from the Word of God once again. Plus how many times have I have asked many questions from liars-people who don't use the Word God as their back up tool, but interpret their own brainwashed teachings, and since we have written to each other, I am still waiting for your knowledge, Question:where about's is it written in the bible that you truly believe? It seems you have only mentioned what you have been taught through the Catholic Church, how you believe, I am still waiting to receive the correct answers from somebody, I search and I study and I find my evidence through history, and usually I then end up reading the interpretations, about my search, so if you are not prepared to answer the truth, then I will find my answers elsewhere.
You can't criticize anything the Church teaches because you don't know what it teaches in the first place. You only know what you think it teaches. You abysmal understanding of the Scripture is also not helping you.
brocab: My second time explaining these same verses-maybe you are looking for the wrong answers, and not the truth.
FACT: Catholics are taught to call their priest, "Father", as a religious title of respect. Christians in the first century never called their leaders, "father". This first happened hundreds of years later.
Catholics try to prove the infallibility of the Catholic Church by stating that the Catholic Church is the infallible interpreter of the Bible. Their claim makes the church equal, if not superior, to the Bible and is another of their efforts to present the Catholic Church as an authority in religion instead of the Bible only. Please notice the following from Catholic sources: "To make it in any sense an infallible revelation, or in other words a revelation at all to us, we need a power to interpret the testament that shall have equal authority with that testament itself." (The Question Box, p. 95) "An infallible Bible is no use without an infallible interpreter..." (My Catholic Faith, p. 145). "The Scriptures can never serve as a complete Rule of Faith and a complete guide to heaven independently of an authorized, living interpreter." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 68). "The Church is the only divinely constituted teacher of Revelation. Now, the Scripture is the great depository of the Word of God. Therefore, the Church is the divinely appointed Custodian and Interpreter of the Bible. For, her office of infallible Guide were superfluous if each individual could interpret the Bible for himself...God never intended the Bible to be the Christians' rule of faith independently of the living authority of the Church." (Ibid., p. 77). There are no passages in the Bible which state that Christ made His church the infallible interpreter of His Word. There are none that mention an infallible interpreter and none that hint or remotely imply that Christ wanted one. How, then, do the Catholic officials go about proving their tremendous claims? First they try to do so by implying that the Bible cannot be understood. Notice the following: "For the Scripture is not like other books, dictated by the Holy Ghost, it contains things of deepest importance, which in many instances are very difficult and obscure. To understand and explain such things there is always required the coming of the same Holy Ghost." (The Great encyclical Letters of Leo XII, p. 227). "We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith...because they are not of themselves clear and intelligible even in matters of the highest importance..." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 73). "Is it possible to misunderstand the Bible? Yes, even the Bible itself says so. 'In these epistles there are certain things difficult to understand, which the unlearned and the unstable distort, just as they do the rest of the Scriptures also, to their own destruction' (2nd Peter 3:16)." (A Catechism for Adults, p. 10) Catholic officials follow up this claim by stating that one can get the true meaning only from the Catholic Church. As we said before, the Catholics have no passages which mention an official interpreter and, thus, they try to support their claim through human logic and reasoning. Anytime men do such, it amounts to nothing more than human philosophy rather than Scriptural proof. The Bible says, "Let God be true, but every man a liar..." (Rom. 3:4) It also warns, "See to it that no one deceives you by philosophy and vain deceit, according to human traditions, according to the elements of the world and not according to Christ." (Col. 2: The inspired writers taught that we most certainly can understand the Scriptures. "For we write nothing to you that you do not read and understand." (2 Cor. 1:13) "Therefore do not become foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is." (Eph. 5:17)
FACT: Catholics pray repetitive words with Rosary Beads that were first invented in 1090 AD, by "Peter the Hermit" and made popular by St. Dominic in 1208 AD. Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. From this time, Catholics prayed 15 sets of 10 consecutive "hail Marys" in a row (150 times), in the Rosary. However, in 2003 AD, Pope John Paul added a new set of Mysteries, so now it is 20 sets of 10 "Hail Marys", (200 times in the Rosary, in total.) Catholics will vainly appeal to Psalm 136 that alternates the same phrase 26 times with 26 different blessings God gives us. It is not 26 in a row as with the rosary! This is also a song, not a prayer. {Revelation 4:8} has "angels singing" not "men praying".One of the great wonders of the world to me is how anyone could claim to be a Catholic and still believe the Bible is God's Word. Even the Catholic Douay version of the Bible condemns the Catholic faith repeatedly. The honest truth is that Catholics have been brainwashed to accept the traditional teachings of the Vatican as superior to whatever the Word of God actually says. Jesus plainly condemned placing the traditions of religion over the Word of God (Mark 7:6-13, Psalm 118:8 ) admonishes, "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man." I'll give you several examples of how the Catholic religion contradicts the Bible, placing man's tradition over God's Word. Bowing to Mary is Idolatry! There is absolutely NOTHING in the Bible leading Christians to recognize Mary, adore Mary, or talk to Mary. Although most Catholics deny worshipping Mary, a picture is worth 1,000 words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vl1n__bbY Pope John Paul II adoring Our Lady of Fatima, are clear irrefutable evidences of idolatry. Look up the word "worship" in any dictionary and you'll find that Catholics do indeed WORSHIP Mary and other hordes of dead saints. Those who want to fellowship with the Roman Catholic Church and accept it as a true "church" are ignoring its blasphemous teachings concerning Mary. The Catholic religion is straight out of the pits of Hell! "Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols" {Psalm 97:7} The Vatican II Council and the New Catholic Catechism reaffirmed that Mary is the sinless Mother of God, that she ascended bodily to Glory (i.e., the Assumption of Mary) and was crowned as the Queen of Heaven, that she can hear and answer prayer. Of course, no such teachings are found ANYWHERE in the Bible. Mary is NOT the queen of heaven, she did NOT ascend bodily, and Mary certainly is NOT sinless! The mother of Jesus was a sinner! Where in the world did anyone ever get the twisted idea that Mary was sinless? No such teaching is taught in the Word of God. The Bible is clear in {Romans 3:23}... "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." That includes Mary! The ONLY sinless being who ever walked this earth was the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ (2nd Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15) {Exodus 20:4,5}"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God In state of all this, if the traditions were verbally said among the apostles, it would have been written in the bible, but as strange as it seems none of what the Catholic Church believes men should do, isn't mentioned..
Again,you failed number 2. Your argument or input is not required in number 2. Just state or at best quote what the Catholic Church teaches on that particular topic. That means you must read or copy it from somewhere, for example a catholic website. Your input or argument is required only in number 3.
AlanTuringAI: How do you expect me or him to give you answers to number 2 when we are not Catholics. How do you expect me to know authentic Catholic sources from fake ones, and what they say about those questions raised in number 1 when we are not Catholics? Our source is the Bible and we felt those doctrines contradict the Bible. Tell us proofs from the same Bible that those doctrines do not contradict the Bible. That's not too much to ask.
I expect you to search for it; you have internet and a brain for a reason. However, i would indulge you just because I have free time today and I'm in a good mood.
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture: bowing and praying to graven images
2. What does the Church teach about this?: The Church absolutely recognizes and condemns the sin of idolatry. What anti-Catholics fail to recognize is the distinction between thinking a piece of stone or plaster is a god and desiring to visually remember Christ and the saints in heaven by making statues in their honor. The making and use of religious statues is a thoroughly biblical practice. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know his Bible.
The Catechism of the Council of Trent (1566) taught that idolatry is committed "by worshipping idols and images as God, or believing that they possess any divinity or virtue entitling them to our worship, by praying to, or reposing confidence in them" (374).
"Idolatry is a perversion of man’s innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who ‘transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God’" (CCC 2114).
God doesn’t prohibit the making of statues or images of various creatures for religious purposes (cf. 1 Kgs. 6:29–32, 8:6–66; 2 Chr. 3:7–14). But what about statues or images that represent God? Many Protestants would say that’s wrong because Deuteronomy 4 says the Israelites did not see God under any form when he made the covenant with them, therefore we should not make symbolic representations of God either. But does Deuteronomy 4 forbid such representations?
The Answer Is No. Early in its history, Israel was forbidden to make any depictions of God because he had not revealed himself in a visible form. Given the pagan culture surrounding them, the Israelites might have been tempted to worship God in the form of an animal or some natural object (e.g., a bull or the sun).
But later God did reveal himself under visible forms, such as in Daniel 7:9: "As I looked, thrones were placed and one that was Ancient of Days took his seat; his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, its wheels were burning fire." Protestants make depictions of the Father under this form when they do illustrations of Old Testament prophecies.
The Holy Spirit revealed himself under at least two visible forms—that of a dove, at the baptism of Jesus (Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32), and as tongues of fire, on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4). Protestants use these images when drawing or painting these biblical episodes and when they wear Holy Spirit lapel pins or place dove emblems on their cars.
But, more important, in the Incarnation of Christ his Son, God showed mankind an icon of himself. Paul said, "He is the image (Greek: ikon) of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." Christ is the tangible, divine "icon" of the unseen, infinite God.
We read that when the magi were "going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshipped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold, frankincense, and myrrh" (Matt. 2:11). Though God did not reveal a form for himself on Mount Horeb, he did reveal one in the house in Bethlehem.
The bottom line is, when God made the New Covenant with us, he did reveal himself under a visible form in Jesus Christ. For that reason, we can make representations of God in Christ. Even Protestants use all sorts of religious images: Pictures of Jesus and other biblical persons appear on a myriad of Bibles, picture books, T-shirts, jewelry, bumper stickers, greeting cards, compact discs, and manger scenes. Christ is even symbolically represented through the Icthus or "fish emblem."
Common sense tells us that, since God has revealed himself in various images, most especially in the incarnate Jesus Christ, it’s not wrong for us to use images of these forms to deepen our knowledge and love of God. That’s why God revealed himself in these visible forms, and that’s why statues and pictures are made of them.
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.: Ask your questions based on my above explanation. Be careful to not to mis-characterize my statements. Instead of doing that, you can quote me verbatim and ask me to explain.
AlanTuringAI: He has listed some of those doctrines he thinks contradicts the Bible like bowing and praying to graven images, praying with rosary, purgatory teaching, making confessions to a fellow man-Rev Father, Preaching of Mary being a virgin all through her life, Just to mention a few. You've not responded to any of them but repeating the same questions which he has given you answers to. I'm interested in learning about these two, cos the Catholics around me I've asked become angry and combative when I ask them for biblical clarifications of their doctrines, instead of enlightening me.
That's pertaining to number 1 only.
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
He is yet to fill number 2 (very important)
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?)
Number 2 should then segway him into (3), where he should critic (2) and expose the contradictions or the false teachings therein.
Since you are interested, you can fill in (2) and (3) and I will weigh in.
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is entirely contrary to God's law and can never be justified.