brocab: It is not an insult-you only see it this way, why? because you know you yourself don't preach the Word of God, so in your own eye's anybody that preachers the Word of God in this day and age is an insult to you. And if Paul was watching over us, he will be in his joying moment knowing what he had preached about Christ, had spread across the nations. We have great preaches that preach the Word of God-preaches that stands up on the pulpit speaking to thousands of believers daily, and we have believers that love the Lord so much they can't wait unto Sunday to talk about Him, they talk about Christ everyday. We have believers, that obey the commandments of God ones that have fellowship with God all year round, believers that worship God, and talk with God 365 days per year. Which of course this draws us closer to God-we search the scriptures daily we seek after His teaching, we find preachers that spreads the Word of God across the nations, we learn and we listen to every Word-Christians finding Christians who love God with all their heart soul and mind and strength, Christians who have a passion to love their neighbours as themselves. This is the Word of God-Love one another... Plus you won't know what Paul Washer preachers until you here him out-you are only guessing what he preaches, try listening one time in your life, spread those wings of yours and know the truth in your heart.
I admire how you are making things up in your imagination. Attributing to me statements I did not make only to counter the statements thinking you countered my own statements. I posed you a challenge:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture 2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?) 3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.
brocab: I am only seeking after the Word of God. All scriptures nothing else..
Like I said, if you are willing to learn. Students don't set rules on how their teachers teach them. A good student pays attention to the teacher and asks questions if need be.
brocab: 1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture Show as in bible knowledge where are we to make images of statues-to bow down to, and pray to them, also add to this where in the written Word of God does it say we are to pray to Mary and the dead saints, show us, where does the bible line up with paganism belief?
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source
brocab: [s]Thru shall not make any graven images of above on earth and under the earth.[/s]
What you are supposed to do here is state or quote what the Catholic Church teaches about images/statues and praying to Mary. Get the information from an authentic Catholic source.
brocab: FACT: Catholics are taught to call their priest, "Father", as a religious title of respect. Christians in the first century never called their leaders, "father". This first happened hundreds of years later. Question #1: Does Jesus approve of calling the leaders of the church, "Father"? Answer: {Matthew 23:9}YES/NO? "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. {Matthew 23:9} FACT: Catholics pray repetitive words with Rosary Beads that were first invented in 1090 AD, by "Peter the Hermit" and made popular by St. Dominic in 1208 AD.Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in1208 AD,at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. From this time, Catholics prayed 15 sets of 10 consecutive "hail Marys" in a row (150 times), in the Rosary. However, in 2003 AD, Pope John Paul added a new set of Mysteries, so now it is 20 sets of 10 "Hail Marys",(200 times in the Rosary, in total.) Catholics will vainly appeal to {Psalm 136} that alternates the same phrase 26 times with 26 different blessings God gives us. It is not 26 in a row as with the rosary! This is also a song, not a prayer. {Revelation 4:8} has "angels singing" not "men praying". Historical note: Roman Catholics borrowed the idea of praying with beads from the pagan religions who were already using them hundreds of years before: In 456 AD, Hindus are thought to have introduced the concept of praying with beads to the world. The earliest reference to a rosary (boberkhas) is in their "Jain Canon" (456 AD) These boberkhas had various numbers of beads 6,9,12,18,36 (any sub-multiple of 108) Islam (610 AD) uses a rosary of 99 beads, one for each of the names of God. Buddhists have 108 prayer beads on the string. The Rosary is of pagan origin and no Christian prior to 1000 AD used beads to pray. Question #1: Did Jesus forbid repetitive prayer using Rosary Beads? Answer: {Matthew 6:7} YES/NO "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. {Matthew 6:7} Would you be able to explain why this is not written in the bible, and why do the Catholic's practice these traditions, when Paul never taught them? And the list continual's forever, and as sad at it is, all the above is twisted scriptures the Catholic's had made up over time through the traditions of men..
Don't pack everything. Let's take them one after another.
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture 2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?) 3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.
brocab: The reasons is, if you just listened to Paul Washer he actually preachers so much like the apostle Paul-you can refuse to watch him, but then you also refuse the biblical Word of God, and if you so much believed in Paul's preaching, you wouldn't be rejecting the bible so much as you do. From Jesus, He sent the Holy Spirit, and from there He always had good preachers, preachers that listened to the Spirit of God, preachers that believed in one truth-and what is that truth Christ is the truth. But hey if you are not opened to listen to that truth, then stay believing in the lies the Catholic Church have been teaching you from the beginning. Pay your indulgence and your purgatory monies, so you will pass go, Jesus said: the truth will set you free, but if you chose to believe the lie, then God will give you the lies you deserve.. {2 Thessalonians 2:9-12} The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
It's insult to the Apostle Paul to equate Washer to him. They do not believe and preach the same message. Paul Washer preaches Martin Luther doctrine which is different from what Paul the Apostle preached.
brocab: Actually Jesus said: I am a priest, but I can-not forgive you 'your sins, I can preach the truth to you, but no-man is God on earth.. Who is my pastor, look up Paul Washer on you tube, and listen to this man preach the gospel, he speaks only bible truth, the truth you haven't yet recognised.
brocab: How hypocritical, is this, you claim I am not Christian because I believe in the written Word of God, when it is you that refuses to believe in the written Word of God, but rather you obey the traditions of men. You believe you are Christian because you obey the Catholic Church. The KJV bible teaches us about miracles, it teaches us the disciples preached the gospel before the bible was written, the bible is written so we will believe, Jesus said: to Thomas you believe because you have seen Me, but bless is he that believes without seeing Me. You say you have read the bible from top to bottom and still you disbelieve praying for the living-the bible is clear whom we are to pray too, the living God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, I pray to the living God our Father, you pray to the dead saints expecting the dead to ask the living God-to save you from condemnation. Don't you realise God is the God of the Living, He is not the God of the dead. But you are taught to pray to the dead, you are taught to worship to the dead, and who is dead among you, the dead in spirit, are the blind leading the blind, condemnation comes to the unbeliever. {John 3:18} “He that believe in Him is not condemned; but He that believe not is condemned already, because he have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. You may confess Christ with your mouth, but your heart is far from Him, you actions tells us your story-but the truth is, you are taught a different doctrine, a doctrine that had been added traditions of men, these traditions alone have caused humanity to stray away from the Lord-such traditions against the bible-teaching that priest can forgive sins, when in the bible-Only God can forgive?
You have shown you don't believe in the Word of God.
brocab: Everything about the Catholic Church contradicts the bible, matter of fact, none of you know Christ and the scriptures, thru shall not make any graven images, from above, on earth and under the earth, you have made and bowed down to all three of these. You claim you have read the bible from top to bottom and still you are denying the written Word of God, that does not mention Purgatory, nor does it mention indulgence, these are the traditions of men preached to the world by the Catholic Church, a lie against humanity-priest forgive sins, and the Pope is God on earth. Everything the Catholic Church preaches is a twisted verbal doctrine, everything that does not line up with the Word of God is a lie. Your traditions teaches you, your mediators, who stands before God and Humanity-are Mary and the saints, you have been taught to pray through idol's such as the rosaries, you bow or nod your head down to statues, some even pray to them, you have been taught you are saved and baptised as an infant only through the Catholic Church, you believe you are saved in Peter-you refuse to believe every other Church that is outside the Catholic Church are saved in Christ. Pope Francis said: universal Church means all man kind that lives and believes anything-are one in Christ-and yet the Muslims don't believe, nor the Hindi's, nor the artiest believe, Pope Francis teachers, by their good works you will be with Christ, at the end of this age to come. "Pope Francis is god on earth, leading people further away from the truth. Another traditional lie. We are criticized everyday by you, the world criticizes the believers, we just need to watch the news to see which Christians are loosing their heads because of their own faith they have for Jesus. {Not by works only, but by faith we are saved in Christ}.. How hypocritical, is this, when the above is not mentioned in the bible, and you claim I am not Christian because I believe in the written Word of God, and you believe in the traditional doctrines that could be only written by the Catholic Church.
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture 2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source 3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.
brocab: One thing for sure you are not my brother in the Lord, but believers do care for those like you, who refuses the Word of God. Anybody can call themselves Christian, but without the Spirit of the Lord, your resources to gain eternal life is nil.. Someone without love, wouldn't waste his time trying to help you with understanding who God is. If someone didn't love you, they wouldn't waste their time trying to save your soul before you end up in hell fire with your father the devil.
I hope you become a Christian some day. As of now, you don't know your left from your right. Who is your pastor, or are you pastor yourself?
brocab: The apostles may know the truth, but what is sad you don't know? And by the looks of this below, neither does the Catholic Church know the truth in Christ. Everything about the Catholic Church contradicts the bible, matter of fact, none of you know Christ and the scriptures, thru shall not make any graven images, from above, on earth and under the earth, you have made and bowed down to all three. The Word of God was giving to us by God, Do you realise the Bible makes claims about the creation of the universe, the nature of the God who created the universe and reigns supremely over it, and the fate of mankind. {You do realise the Catholic Church refuses to teach this bible knowledge, matter of fact they teach other doctrines that doesn't line up with the scriptures.} If these claims are true, then the Bible is the most important book in the history of mankind. If the Bible is true, then it holds the answers to life’s biggest questions: “From where did I come?” “Why am I here?” and “What happens to me when I die?” The importance of the Bible’s message demands it receive fair consideration, and the truthfulness of its message is observable, testable, and able to withstand scrutiny. The writers of the Bible claim that the Bible is God’s very Word. The apostle Paul writes that “all Scripture is God-breathed” {2 Timothy 3:16} That is to say, all the words recorded in the original writing of Scripture originated from the mouth of God before ever reaching the minds and pens of the biblical writers. The apostle Peter also writes that “prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” {2 Peter 1:21} The phrase “carried along” is indicative of a sail being propelled by the wind. That is, the writing of Scripture was directed by the Holy Spirit. The Bible does not originate with man and is, then, a product of God and carries the authority of God. When it is put to the test, the Bible is proved true in every area. Its truth extends to the spiritual, as well. That means that when the Bible says the Hittite nation existed, then we can believe that there were Hittites, and when the Bible teaches that “all have sinned” {Romans 3:23} and the “wages of sin is death” {Romans 6:23} then we need to believe that, too. And, when the Bible tells us that “God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us” {Romans 5:8} and that “whoever believes in [Jesus] shall not perish but have eternal life” {John 3:16} then we can and should believe that, also. The bible may not be enough for you, and the only reason to this is, you haven't studied the bible enough the understand It, the blind can only lead the blind, and since the bible isn't worthy to you, I suppose you will never understand nor believe the unseen God. It is the dead in spirit, that makes images of things that are seen by men, In the bible-Jesus said:blessed are those who don't see and believed. So now you have the input about the bible, and why the bible teaches us to believe. {John 20:28-29} Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen, and yet have believed.”
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture 2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source 3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.
brocab: You are not ignorant of the scriptures, we have written the truth to you-we have showing you the written Word of God {John 14:23-24} “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him. Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me.… {John 8:51} Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death." {John 15:10, John 16:27, John 14:15,21} If you love me, keep my commandments…
Again you are not ignorant, we have written the truth to you-we have showing you the written Word of God-verse after verse, you have refused these Words with a passion, you have claimed the bible is not the only traditional Word of God, you won't accept God speaks to us through His Word, nor will you allow your heart to swallow up your pride. You believe in other traditions that the Spirit of God did not teach you, you bow down to paganism praying "to" martial things that are seen, idol's of the rosaries, statues of a dead souls-instead you alter to pray directly to the unseen God the Father Jesus and the Holy Spirit, as the written Word of God {bible} have directed us to do.. You have refuse to recognise the scriptures, and your arguments are about your traditional Church and how great it stands.
Again, you keep saying what I did not say. The Catholic Church covers the whole bible from Genesis to Revelation every 3 years. This means that if you are a 30 years old Catholic man who goes to church everyday, you have read the entire 73 books of the bible at least 10 times. The Catholic Church believes that in addition to the Bible, we need oral Tradition to know what the Bible teaches and to know the doctrines of the Christian faith that are not in the Bible, such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary.
Quoting the bible to me as your argument is irrelevant and won't make your point because as a Catholic I believe every word of the bible and also know that the Church has no single teaching that contradicts the bible. Your problem is you neither understand the bible you are quoting nor the teaching of the Catholic Church.
If you want to tell me about Catholic teachings that contradicts the bible, do it the following way: 1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture 2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source 3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.
solite3: In other word what is written can not be the only truth right? The Christians do not know more than what was written, that catholic religion false teaching. The bible contain the mind of God because all scripture was inspired by God himself not man made traditions. Traditions do not supersede God's inspired words. God's inspiration is the sole rule of determining truth, of which only the scripture is inspired.
I don't know what you call man-made traditions, however, I understand your choice to limit your understanding of the Scripture to the Scripture alone. That is called the bible alone or sola scriptura doctrine which was formulated in 1517 by no other than Martin Luther who was a Catholic priest and monk. For over 14 centuries, Christians have been learning BOTH what was written in the scripture as well as what they were taught orally by their predecessors in faith.
Listen carefully to what Paul said to the Thessalonians (2 Thess 2:15): "So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter." Now, don't you think the Thessalonians have more in-depth understanding of the overall message of Paul more than you? My answer is YES because you have only one aspect of his teaching- his letters; the other aspect he conveyed by the word of mouth, you do not have. That whole body of knowledge they passed on to the Churches and their descendants up till this moment, and will never stop as long as there is continuity in life and direct generational ties. And so it happens that only one group or sect of Christians still maintains that direct unbroken link to the apostles and Christ Himself. Martin Luther was in that loop but later broke off and passed down his own new doctrine to the disadvantage of his followers.
solite3: Unlike catholicism that teaches that scripture alone is not sufficient to to perfect a believer, the bible teaches otherwise. If I have time I would post catholic false teaching.
If you cite me any verse in the bible where it says the scripture is "sufficient"...., I will leave the Catholic Church and I will denounce the Pope on this forum.
I am waiting for the false catholic teaching.
Remember: 1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture 2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source 3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.
solite3: if I dont care about your soul I would not have told you to search out the scriptures. As a catholic don't you know your doctrines? Compare it with scriptures and see if it is inline with it. Even if God loves you he wouldn't force himself on you. The choice is yours, Jesus didn't come to establish a religion he simply came to save sinners like me.
Like I said, I have done so multiple times but haven't seen any contradictions. Everything doctrine of the Catholic Church is inline with the Scripture. The main issue I observed is:
1. People's understanding of the Scripture. 2. People's understanding of Catholic doctrines.
I would assume before you critic someone's beliefs, you will have to restate exactly what that person believes, and not what you think he believes
In that regard, let's do it this way:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture 2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source 3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.
Happy Sunday!
solite3: Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matthew 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken.
By this Jesus clearly told you his stand as regards this issue.
The first issue about the roman catholic church is that they exualts traditions the same way or even more than scriptures that is why the word have no effect on the members.
Placing traditions on same level or even above the commandment of God is plain heresy.
This would be true if the bible is the only rule of faith, but it's not. If you have really studied and understand the bible well, you would've known that it is not the only rule of faith. The apostles and the early Christians know way more than what is contained in the bible.
brocab: This is why Christ said: {John 18:36} His kingdom is not of this world. But you believe obeying the traditions of the earthly Catholic Church, will lead you to Christ; you believe everybody outside the Catholic Church, and refuses the traditions of the Catholic Church are not saved, so of course with your own understanding the Word of God is not enough knowledge to even come close to spend eternity with Christ, you believe the Catholic Church, is the only Church that knows God. You believe the Catholic Church and through it's verbal teachings the Church has all the answers, as long as you fellowship with the Catholic's, and stay with the traditions of the Catholic Church, you are saved by the Catholic Church, you believe, it is they, who know Christ, through Mary and the saints, that they hold the keys to life eternal in heaven. I had asked you "Do you believe, are you saved, I don't believe you even know what this means-you were saved in the Catholic Church, only to your knowledge, you don't need anybody telling you, are you saved, because you are part of the body through the Catholic Church, saved and baptised through them, this had given you insurance, as long as you serve the Catholic Church, you are already written in the book of life. The truth is, its all unbiblical-simple, but you will never know, until you cry out unto God and repent-with your own understanding the darkness that is in you, refusing and rejecting Christ "won't give you light-if you say you have light-then "How bright is that light that shines from you, you don't recognise the bible, nor the author of the bible "God, because you don't have fellowship with Him, to know Him.. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then the Lord will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness! I have asked you are you saved, you are not saved no more then the atheist that claim they don't know God "Your Jesus is based on tradition, your mediators are based around the Queen of heaven-Mother of God, and the saints, believing the lie, can only send you to be with your great grand fathers that nailed Christ on the tree, and to spend eternity with your father in hell..
I haven't said all the things you alluded here. I am not the one to judge who gets into heaven or not. The main topic of discussion here is about who knows the Word of God and who does not. God does not send an individual to hell for the sin he is ignorant of. But as soon as you've heard it and refuse to heed to it, only then you are culpable.
Now that you have realized your bible tells you to know not only the written Word of God but also the unwritten, you are now responsible for what next you do with that information.
solite3: you couldn't find any contradiction because you do not know what the scriptures. I wouldn't do that for you. But my advice is take a KJV bible open study it prayerfully and you eyes would be open. Also do a little research to the origin of roman catholic religion and you will find out there is nothing christian about it. The roman catholic religion is there to mislead millions of souls to hell. Roman catholicism exalts the goddess seramis as their queen in the name of Mary. The roman catholicism is full of blasphemy against God and filled with hatered against true christian. Do a research don't be fooled because on judgement day you would have no excuse. Shallom
Why wouldn't you do that? You don't care about my soul, do you? Like I have said, I've studied the bible multiple times over. Maybe you should point the contradictions out and let's have a discussion on them.
brocab: Do you believe, are you saved, and which body are you from, were you baptised in Christ, if you know the answer to this-then it doesn't matter which Church building you enter, because, once you have accepted Christ as your Lord and savour-you will keep His commandments, you will have enough discernment, to know which doctrine is true, and which doctrines are false.
How can you accept Christ and reject His Word? And how can you discern which doctrines are false when your knowledge of the whole Word of God is limited only to the written Word?
brocab: First you have agreed the body of Christ is the people, again you have changed your plead, The Church one attends makes a big difference?
Yes, it makes a big difference. Many churches teach wrong doctrines like the bible only doctrine. Bible only doctrine is against the Word of God.
brocab: Your competition who's Church stood the longest, will make no difference to me, my concerns are, do you believe, are you saved, and which body are you from, were you baptised into Christ, or were you baptised into the Catholic Church?[/color]
The Church one attends makes a big difference. A wrong church will have wrong teaching. Christ was not silly when He established a Church.
brocab: I was motivated as a young man to read early Christian writers. As a Protestant involved in what can be called the "Free Church" model, I had been taught certain things about the early Church and the Catholic Church; as I studied and became more familiar with early Christianity in my Ph.D studies I began to realize that I had been taught something like a conspiracy theory, and history completes itself. I found there are many other "myths," but I want to comment on three: {1} The Early Christian Church was the model of following Christ, {2} Constantine was evil and used the Christian faith for political reasons. He made Christianity the official religion and influenced the Church to adopt pagan beliefs. {3} The Catholic Church started under Constantine and continually became more worldly. Its the same old story-the Catholic's believe they are the Church, the only Church and nothing but the Church.
If the Catholic Church obeyed God, if they knew God, if they knew the apostles, and knew the Word of God-then why do they preach another pagan Jesus? Why do they pray through Mary and the saints, and why do they disobey the commandments of God the apostles had preached verbally, in Word or by letter? {Acts 2:1-4} When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. So if the Catholic Church were the first Church of Christ-shouldn't they be called the protestants instead of the Catholic Church? The Holy spirit fell on Pentecost.
Why should you be a protest_ant? Why not follow the original and the authentic?
The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107AD to Christians in Smyrna. Exhorting Christians to remain closely united with their bishop, he wrote: "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." - Wikipedia.
Protestantism started in 1517 when Martin Luther decided to separate from the Body of Christ, His Holy Church..
brocab: {Acts 7:51-53} “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it. ”Nor did you keep the tradition from the apostles, nor you do you obey the Word of God..
Exactly! Unfortunately, protestants chose not to keep the tradition of the apostles and the Word of God.
brocab: The Catholic Church claims Peter built the Catholic Church. Peter was a sinner, and somehow Peter became Pope according the the Catholic's, and somehow you have this idea Peter built the Catholic Church. I suppose Peter is like Mary-Peter didn't sin either, because Popes who become Popes, are supposedly by the Catholic's are sinless.. {Matthew 16:15-17} “But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. ”Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven, and Jesus spoke about the Church, that was to be built on the Words God had given to Peter to repeat.. So which was it, was your Church built upon Peter's own words, or was it built upon God's Words, God had spoken through Peter?
You are not making any coherent sense. Do you know what a 'Straw man' argument is? That's what you are pulling off right now.
brocab: What is my doctrine? Is it the Word of God, you have quietly removed from your scriptures of the Catholic Church, is the traditions more important to you, that because Martin Luther disqualified them, you believe everyone walked in Martin Luther-what you don't understand is, we don't walk in Martin Luther-we walk in Christ..
Your doctrine is sola scriptura (bible only), and No, it's unbiblical meaning it's not the Word of God or original Christian doctrine. All Sacred Scripture and tradition were approved by God and no individual should remove or distort any part of both.
brocab: Finally we have come to an agreement, the body of the believers is the Church.. So what made you believe, it was the Catholic Church Christ was preferring too, the Words Peter spoke weren't words that came out if sinful flesh, these Word's were God's Words, God had spoken through Peter. Jesus said: these Words you speak 'Simon Peter, didn't come from your flesh, it come straight from My Father in heaven, Christ built His Church on the Word, Christ didn't build His Church upon sin. Sin can not build the Church of God, and you built your Church upon the sinful nature of Peter a sinner..
May God have mercy on you for posting the rubbish highlighted above. How can God build His Church on a sinful nature of man (Peter).
brocab: Please explain tell me what are the doctrines, I believe in? And if you haven't met Martin Luther personally, then maybe you should start looking at your own sins, before you judge another..We all stand in front of God, and everything you say, you will be judged upon. You have read the stories of Martin Luther, and maybe you have judged wrongly, but what is your judgement "to God" Nothing-but what if, you knew Martin Luther was in heaven, what then? Did God judge him righteously?
The doctrine of sola scriptura, which is unbiblical and made-up by him. I don't care what happened to Luther because he's already dead. But you need to be informed of his doctrine so you won't make same mistake.
brocab: You can claim you have it all, but your verdict about the Catholic Church fell with great pride, like I had said:If you aren't walking in the Spirit-then you can only guess which Church Jesus is preferring too. Churches made of brick and mortar, is the Catholic Church-it doesn't matter which Church building stood the longest, what matters is Christ built His Church in the believers. Churches can't save, nor can it take you to Heaven, Pope Francis believes otherwise, and Churches are meeting places for Christians to fellowship in one accord, but without God in them, then the Church is just a building. And to be honest, Christ Himself didn't start a Church in a building made of hands, then why would Peter build the Catholic Church, made of the same substance? But it seems Catholic's such as yourself believe otherwise, and if I was to look at this deeper, why then did the Catholic Church still continual in their paganism, If the Church belonged to Christ? We need to look at the fruit, when you were saved-are you growing in Christ, or are you just a sounding symbol that follows the tradition of the Catholic Church..You have said: it yourself, you believe Peter was the start of the Catholic Church, and why do you continual in this very same understanding if you believe the body is the people. I was just completing the Church subject, you have began, How you honestly believed the Catholic Church belonged to Christ, and how you believed the Catholic Church is the body of Christ. But now you have switched, your plead, {Praise the Lord} by the looks of this you have jumped on the right side of the fence in Christ.
Christ made a strong promise to his Church, and it unconditional, meaning that it will never fail. And no gate of hell or temptation can come against it. His Church which is Body will never fail because His Word never fails.
brocab: I can see, where you are going with this, but bro, if you aren't walking in the Spirit-then you can only guess which Church Jesus is preferring too. Churches made of brick and mortar, it doesn't matter which Church building stood the longest, what matters is Christ built His Church in the believers. Churches can't save, nor can it take you to Heaven, and Churches are meeting places for Christians to fellowship in one accord, but without God in them, then the Church is just a building. And to be honest If Christ Himself didn't start a Church in a building made of hands, then why would Peter build the Catholic Church, made of the same substance? And if I was to look at this deeper, why then did the Catholic Church still continual in their paganism, If the Church belonged to Christ? We need to look at the fruit, when you were saved-are you growing in Christ, or are you just a sounding symbol that follows the tradition of the Catholic Church..
You seem to be talking about church building which is out of the point.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 1:50am On Feb 09, 2018
