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princetom1:
Does this teaching even makes sense to u yourself? What does the Bible really teach apart from all these hard explanations?

It's not as hard as the courses you read in school. You only need an open mind and interest.

ibtz:

Now u have resorted to insulting him. i think u r not a rational human at all. if not all my evidences, text, verses i have quoted shud make a right minded person think deeply.

Fickle-minded:
[fik-uh l-mahyn-did]
adjective
(of a person) prone to casual change; inconstant.

Do you want evidence of that in his character so it can be less of an insult?

2. Gosh, its still d same thing, chap 1 surah fatiha has less text than chap 2 surah Al-Baqarah. likewise surah 110 has less text than surah 111,112,113,114. dere r countless instances in the Quran. so it still remains that u have no knowledge of islam, muslims or the Prophet Muhammad and u r bigoted and prejudicial even after clear evidence. Thank you.

Focus, man.. this has nothing to do with verse. chapters become shorter as you read the quran. You want me to disclose my education on history, philosophy and religion before you can be as rational and logical in this convo...

ibtz:
1. on whose authority does a latter law take precedence over a preceding. your authority?
lol. if by ur logic then QURAN 60:8:9 is a latter law and takes precedence over 9:29.

Dude, read the quran in a chronological order. Most of the confusion muslims I have encountered have emanete from this disjointed chronology of the quran. I know what I'm saying when I suggest you should simultaneously study the quran, hadiths, bible and some good history.

See am tired, i have showed you even a text from d same chapter to back my point, yet you now concoct another bullshit talking about preceding and latter laws. wth. I think maybe u shud continue with your bigotry. i av shown u clear enough evidences to back my point, but because u just dont want to accept, u say taqiyya, taqiyya.
Abeg, e b lyk say u no wan hear truth.
You evidently have not done a good job other than pulling strawman's.
Common sense should tell you that you should first of all discard the notion of the quran being anything other than Muhammad's personal fabrication, before engaging in any profitable rational and logical argument.

[quote]Quran 60:8
Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. verily Allah loves those who deak with equity

Quran 60:9
It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion and have driven you out and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the wrong doers)

Again, the verses were of different time with 9:29. I will also add that 9:29 also abrogated, in practice, 2:109 as well. Muhammad's ability to add or delete verses according to questions or issues at hand also shows the flexibility of the quran. Even classical islamic scholars accepted that Medinan chapters supersede Meccan, not only for chronological reasons, but also because the Medinan verses represent Islam during a period of strength as against it's initial minority stage.

ibtz:
Lol, u av been throwing taqiyya around. taqiyya means not reavealing your muslim identity if u r in grave danger i.e in a situation where muslims are being targeted or killed. u don't even know d meaning.

In as much as non muslims stretch it's meaning, muslims 'crop' it as a defence tool only. We all know it's more than that.

pls how is tax collection third class subjugation. am not understanding. u r just throwing unfound assumptions. Dis back and forth, am tired. u have not even replied to my own questions.

It's not unfound, it's very clear in the quran, at a given time, to achieve an end - Subjugation of dhimmis.

ibtz:
O wow jesus was not created, then he was what. Who existed first, God or jesus . if God existed first, how did jesus come into being if not created. if Jesus is God, as u put it then satan cannot tempt God or a part of God, (he wudnt dare) as evident to when jesus went for 40days fasting and prayer. Or can satan tempt God? if satan knows jesus is God, he wudnt dare try to tempt, its blasphemous to take such a claim..

Attributes of God, he doesn't eat, sleep, tire or even allegedly get nailed on the cross by his own creations.
if u want to talk abt time as an analogy for trinity,
yes d present, past and future is a total of 3 distinct times, not as a single representation, the present is not equal to the past nor the past equal to the future. and vice-versa. You cannot use a finite entity (time) to represent an infinite entity(God).As your time analogy is flawed, we cant look at God and say there is three in one, 3 in one absolutely means three gods, God's attributes is different from man and cant be shared across three entities, all else there wud be chaos and power mongering amongst themselves. God in trinity is like the greek analogy of the idols zeus, hades etc.

why would a God(i mean God the creator) that cannot die or tire have a child. i mean whats d essense of reproduction if not for d child to take over his father's or mother's legacy when he/she dies. You cant compare creator(God) to creation(Jesus A.S).

You obviously have comprehension problem. If Jesus is God (same God 'in the beginning') as I explained, how again can God be creating Himself?

God who is infinite and outside the realm of His creation (space and time), chose to enter his creation for man to have the understanding of who He is. Once He did that, it is only rational to think he should operate as a Man (confined within space and time). You don't need a PhD to wrap your brain around this.

You can ask, "does that mean Jesus prayed to Himself?" The answer is No, only if you understand the doctrine of trinity, one Being who is God, who has three distinct persons in Him (the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit). They surely can communicate to each other. In such a case, as with Jesus praying to the Father, He is not talking to himself, He is talking to another Person.

More explanation of trinity http://www.cuf.org/2004/04/trinity-blessed-be-god-father-son-and-holy-spirit/

ibtz:
so what now i dont get?

It means you either spoke out of ignorance or you were using taqiyya.

ibtz:
In order

1.But dis law is in d same book now. its not two different constitutions.
Look at dis verse frm d same chapter 9
Quran 9:13
will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths(pagans of makkah) and intended to expel the Messenger (S. A. W) while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers.

This verse in itself has completed and complemented all my arguments about fight only if attacked first and it also preceeds 9:29.

Read my post again. The latter law, if in a contest with a preceeding law, takes precedence. Muhammad gave different rules at different periods. That's why different sects in islam can apply different rule for similar cases and still be backed by the quran. There is no one-size-fits-all rule in islam when certain situations arise.

2. copy the link to the html part. dis d link again
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/quran/false_accusations/abrogation_claims_(P1216).html

The verse in question is not addressed there. However, the reason why some sects in islam disregard the authentic (sahih) hadith is because it gave accounts of Muhammad's life who every rational person would know is a fickle-minded person. This is easily recognized when you simultaneously study the quran (chronologically), the hadiths, the bible and some history. You will realize muhammad makes those rules to gain loyalty and have his way with things. He was very smart. Although after he died, many were apostatizing, until Abu Bakr (talk for another day) took over. Islam owed its survival to Abu Bakr.

3. Pls, longest chapter, is it not number of verses b4?
abi how do u determine longest and shortest chapter please?

No, longest chapter means more texts, not verses.

This one qualify as hate speech against the presibaba.

reminiscing:
No he isn't. Looks quite responsible

Lol. Good luck to una o

You said this

ibtz:
if dat was in d case as to Christians subjugated to third class status, i bet u can neva visit dubai, uae, egypt,qatar etc because of third class subjugation.

And I replied.

9inches:
You are a hardcore liar. Non muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in muslim lands are exempted from paying jizya.

And now you are saying

ibtz:
Lol. Please which lie did i tell now ehn.u r only contradicting ur sef, look at what u wrote there. temporarily non muslims are exempted. if they are, its because they are only staying for a while, i do not see any disorganization in that.

ibtz:
Lol. on whose authority and where did u find such. hw would a verse talking about tax collection and fight people that seek to kill you abrogate another about befriending people that seek not to kill you and drive u away frm your home. i do not see any correlation.

Just like federal and state laws can be akin to each other in certain circumstances, but federal takes precedence as the final rule of law. Same thing happens with sura 9:29 versus its preceding analogous verses.

Dis is an article on abrogation, please i beg u read it, do not be averse to read it please. because in ur prev arguments u pasted links to which i read. So please do.
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/quran/false_accusations/abrogation_claims_(P1216).html

Your link goes to the homepage, not to any article in particular.

Your claim that Quran is arranged on size of chapter is a big lie. for example, surah Al fatiha the first chapter has seven verses, surah Al-kauthar(chapter 110 out of 114 chapters) has three verses making it the smallest in the Quran, likewise surah al-hujurat (chap 49) has 18 chapters while surah Qaf (chap 50) has 45 verses. So u see that u have no knowledge of
Quran, Islam or the Prophet,your assumptions are based on prejudice and bigotry. Your U just copy sites that seek to demonize islam to satisfy your theory and bigotry.

The quran is arranged from the longest to the shortest chapter, not verse.

Now let me ask my own question.
How is it logical to have three in one God. God the creator that created the earth, human,animals and heavens(u know how mighty the heavens are) without no one's help will now need his own creation to help answer prayers from humans. God that destroyed towns, cities, villages for worshipping anything other than him will now turn around and say oya, this is my son worship him. Another point God will even father his own child from his own creation Mary?. Please explain soonest.

i still have others but answer that one first

Jesus Christ the Son of God was not created. Why? Because He is God. God revealing Himself to mankind the best way we can relate, is who Jesus was on earth. Pay attention to this: the Father is not the Son; the Son is not the Spirit; the Spirit is not the Father. BUT the Father is God, the Son is God and the Spirit is God. It is simply is a representation of three distinct aspects of the nature of God.

Let's look at "time" analogy for illustration. Is the "past" plus the "present" plus the "future" a total of three times? Not at all. It's simply a representation of three distinct aspects of the nature of time: past, present and future.

ibtz:
i know u have read my mentions to u. u just want to take me back and forth. Find it in your mentions, its there. i enumerated each number clearly 1 to 4 based on your theory u posted and if u cant u can maybe view my profile posts, scroll down a little.u will clearly see how i listed my replies.
Thank you

I read a bit until I realized it's disjointed and/incomplete. Just a copy and paste would do, if you did reply them as you said. It won't take all the time.

ibtz:
Lol. Your bigotry is out of order. its there in the verse now. i explained it clearly to u. fight dose from among d people of d book who refuse to pay the jizya (tax levied on non muslims under the protection of a muslim government). if dat was in d case as to Christians subjugated to third class status, i bet u can neva visit dubai, uae, egypt,qatar etc because of third class subjugation. Just admit d truth u are irrevocably biased and will never see d truth even if it is presented clearly. And i never said it was for self defense. its only as to the case of the arab pagans that u shud fight in case u r fought against. I would advise you to pick up the Quran one day and read thru and c for ur sef, its not too late

You are a hardcore liar. Non muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in muslim lands are exempted from paying jizya. Pick up your quran and hadiths and read them, if possible simultaneously; you will be amazed how disorganized your "miraculous" quran is.

ibtz:
Wow. sori to disappoint but dats not the case, in the case of abrogated verses, it is always stated in the commentary below the verse when the verse has been abrogated by a new one, e.g in the case of alcohol consumption, it was allowed in light quantity(in the commentary below it, u wud see "this verse has been abrogated by the following verses) but Allah totally prohibited it in anoda verse.

The verses i quoted were not abrogated, in any transcription of the Quran.

You are a walking taqiyya, bro. 9:29 abrogates the verses (60:8-9). Unlike the old or new testaments, the quran is not organized by chronology but rather by size of chapters. Even within chapters, chronology can be confused. For example, in sura chapter 2, Muhammad received verses 193, 216, and 217 shortly after he arrived in Medina. About six years later, verses 190, 191, and 192 were received. This complicates interpretation, all the more when some verses appear to contradict.

ibtz:
i believe i did that. Find in your mentions. in d case of dat link, d article is long to be pasted here.

No did not. Replace the underscores "_" with your replies. Thanks

akthedream:
..

The time for the fight is between 3:30 - 4am....4am to be precise.

Seems like it

Vizzim:
Thought the fight is scheduled for 12am. How come 4am again. If so, make i sleep because we all know Floyd is gonna beat that young man.

1 hour to go. It's still 12am

profmsboi:
Mr Man... it's 1:00AM

U go miss am be dat. It's 12AM Nigerian time. 1hr to go

ibtz:
Your reply in order.
Please read more from
http://www.discoveringislam.org/ibn_isshaaq_stories.htm

This is hard to read. Please reply in arranged and more organized format. You can edit this and just type in your replies:

1&4 Killing of innocent people -
Abu Afak : ___

Asma (Marwan's daughter) : ___

Adolescent boys of Qurayza : ___

Al-Ansi (Sahih Bukhari Book 64, Hadith 402) : ___

2 Killing women and children -
Sahih Bukhari volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 258 : ___

Sunan Abu Dawud, Dar-ul-salam/Hadith 2671 : ___

Fartana (a slave girl of Abdullah ibn Khatal) : ___

3 Destroying people's place of worship -
Kaaba of Yemen (Sahih Bukhari Book 56, Hadith 229) : ___

More: https://islamqa.info/en/20894

5 Enforce islam on others -
Sahih Bukhari, Vol 4, Book 53, Hadith 392 : ___

Sahih Bukhari, Vol 9, Book 92, Hadith 447 : ___

Sahih Bukhari, Vol 1, Book 8, Hadith 387 : ___

ibtz:
This is Quran 9:29
"Fight against those who believe not in Allah(arab pagans), nor in the last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e islam)from among the people of the scripture until they pay the jizyah with willing submission and are willing to pay it. "

Fighting against d arab pagans still held conditions like
1. Fight only if u are attacked first as evident in Quran 2:190

[Quran 2:190]
And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.

2. Not attack people that do not attack u as evident in the verses

QURAN 60:8
Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. verily Allah loves those who deal with equity

Quran 60:9
It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion and have driven you out and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the wrong doers.

Lastly Quran 9:29 talks abt jizyah (a tax levied on non muslims under THE protection of a muslim Government).

So meaning fight dose among d ppl of d book wu refuse to pay tax until they pay. Note, Muslims to do pay tax. Unda any normal govt if u refuse to pay tax u will be sanctioned, arrested, imprisoned etc.

Quran 9:29 does not say "fight in self-defense." It says "fight those who do not believe" in Islam

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth (Islam), out of those who have been given the Book (the Bible, given to Christian and Jews), until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of (muslim) superiority and they (Christians and Jews) are in a state of subjection (dhimmitude, i.e., third-class legal status for non-muslims).

Because Quran Chapter 9, with its verse of the sword (and the above verse, and other supremacist verses), is generally considered by muslim scholars to be the last or one of the last chapters Muhammad produced, those same scholars often say that it cancels or abrogates the quran's tolerant chapters and verses, which Muhammad produced early in his career. Yet the early, more tolerant chapters are still considered valid for muslims when muslims are weak and in the minority. Why? Because Muhammad was weak and in the minority when he produced those early chapters during the first, Meccan stage of his career. Orthodox Muslims thus consider the early chapters to be a sacred program valid for the first stages of Islamizing a society. In later stages of Islamization, when muslims have become stronger, the quran's later, supremacist, totalitarian chapters apply and supersede the earlier.

ibtz:
i believe i answered that, read my post again.

I did not see it. It's a 'true' or 'false' question. It does not demand a long writeup.

Don't we have match making sites in this country?

ibtz:
METHODS OF DIS TERRORISTS

1.SUICIDE
2.KILLING women and children

3. destroying people's place of worship
4. killing innocent people
5. enforce islam on odas

The Prophet Muhammad never did any of d above

1 & 4 are the same - killing of innocent people - Abu Afak, Asma (Marwan's daughter), adolescent boys of Qurayza, Al-Ansi (Sahih Bukhari Book 64, Hadith 402), etc

2. KILLING women and children - Sahih al-Bukhari volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 258
Sunan Abu Dawud : Dar-us-Salam reference / Hadith 2671
Fartana (a slave girl of Abdullah ibn Khatal)

3. destroying people's place of worship - kaaba of Yemen/Dhul- Khalasa (Sahih Bukhari Book 56, Hadith 229)
More: https://islamqa.info/en/20894

5. enforce islam on odas - Sahih Bukhari – Volume 4, Book 53, Hadith 392
Sahih Bukhari – Volume 9, Book 92, Hadith 447
Sahih Bukhari – Volume 1, Book 8, Hadith 387

Quran 9:29 “Fight those from among the People of the Book who believe neither in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what God and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax willingly and agree to submit.”

ibtz:
its not interpretation, its quoting halflly to satisfy their blood thirsty evil selves.

read dis please!!!!

A Factual reply to the "Boko Haram" Nonsense!

BOKO HARAM and oda terrorists VS RELIGION OF ISLAM

1. The Boko Haram kidnapp girls and force them to change their religion.
While
Islam says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion.....” (Qur’an 2:256)

2. The Boko Haram have forcefully married off girls.
While
Islam says: ".....Do not inherit women against their will....." (Qur’an 4:19)

3. The Boko Haram are aggressive towards those who do not follow their beliefs.
While
Islam says: “IF IT HAD BEEN YOUR LORD’S WILL, all of the people on Earth would have believed [in one religion]….” (Quran 10:99)

4. The Boko Haram have murdered thousands of Muslims and Christians alike in cold blood.
While
Islam says: “….If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people...” (Quran 5:32)

5. The Boko Haram use the cover of Islam to commit their mayhem and claim they are doing ALLAH'S work or JIHAD (HOLY WAR).
While
Islam says: “…… BUT DO NOT TRANSGRESS LIMITS; FOR GOD LOVES NOT TRANSGRESSORS.” (Qur’an 2:190)"

6. The Boko Haram believe once you are not with them you are an enemy to them.
While
Islam says: “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other)......” (Quran 49:13)

7. The Boko Haram have unleashed tyranny and indecency in the land.
While
Islam says: “God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny....” (Quran 16:90)

Finally, upon all their false claims it is clear to see that Boko Haram do not represent Islam in any way because, they are acting against Islam.

The question was "ALL muslims don't interpret the quran the same way. True or false?"

UnchangeableGod:
You did not make any sense at all sir. Which 'exclusive authority' does the Roman Catholic Church have and who gave them such authority? Is it the authority to pray through 'Mary' and other dead people? Is it the authority to make graven images in the church for people to be bowing down to contrary to the Second Commandment? (Exodus 20:4,5) Is it the authority to baptise infants as though they have a question to answer and as though water baptism takes away sins? Is it the authority to teach that Mary had no other child apart from Jesus and that she was a virgin till death contrary to Luke 2:7 and Mark 6:3? How can God give authority to the Catholic Church or any Church for that matter to teach an inexistent Purgatory, thereby giving people false hope contrary to the statement of Christ the Way, the Truth and the Life Who declared unequivocally that there are only TWO possible destinations after death? (Matthew 7:13,14; 25:46). Is it God that gave you authority to teach that people can pay their way to salvation and pay/pray their lost relatives into Heaven?
You Roman Catholics are just being childish with all these your claim of divine authority when false doctrines are written all over you. Is your God a God of falsehood? Which 'Holy Spirit' will be guiding people teaching and practising such false doctrines leading people astray into their eternal doom? You did not make any sense at all sir. Thanks.

My last reply also applies here. So, read it again and digest it. Don't be worked up yet.

I will add that the Catholic Church is infallible in its teachings, that includes those you highlighted above. You are only making mockery of yourself arguing with your bible-only doctrine which you just confirmed yourself is flawed. Are you by any way implying that the Holy Spirit guides the Church to false teaching? You better realize you are responsible for whatever you attribute to the Holy Spirit.

The person that converted you, who taught and qualified him to teach the biblical truth? Chance is, he MAY NOT be teaching the whole truth. Don't get this twisted, it's a good thing he led you to a better life, but that good deed of his does not cancel out any condemnation attached to fallible propagation of the faith. That, my friend, is why a good authority is required for propagation of this faith you and I are practicing.

ibtz:
Is it d over 1.6 billion muslims in d world dat exhibit dis behaviour? d ppl dat do that(boko, taliban, alqaeda, isis) are less dan 0.1% of the total muslim population (do d math). FACT: DEY HAVE KILLED MORE muslims dan non-muslims. if dey kill muslims(which happens most of d tym) it is just anoda bombing or killing as a normal tin as seen by d world but if dey kill non muslims den d world will be awake. Dere are countless, countless times dat muslims have condemned extremists, but d media doesnt carry dat. Y use minority to judge majority. if islam was intolerant towards non Muslims, oyedepo will not smell dubai at all. Nor will christians live in northern nigeria because it is predominantly muslim. But if not for hypocrisy u will defend bigotry.

Tell me one difference between what these four groups you mentioned do that is different from what the founder of their religion did in his time.

Just one difference!

ibtz:
Their own version it is evident dat u av no knowledge abt the Prophet. ur view is clearly bigoted

Yes, their own version. All muslims don't interpret the quran the same way. True or false?

aputel:
For your information,no religion preaches violence, I am not a Muslim but If you see how Islam is practice in it's real form ,you will thank God for making you a Muslim. Extremist abound in all religions and white supremacist are no less worse than Isis

Who best defines a religion than the founder? Don't be deceived by the way your Christian or muslim friends act out their own version of their faith. You better go and study what their faith teaches.

aputel:
Someone must ask the Bishop right there in Dubai if Christians still stand by their teaching that Islam is a not a good religion .
That is the problem the misinformed congregants in our churches are made to believe. The Bishop is in Dubai and he has seen the Wonder of God as it litters the place. Raw opulence in it's Majesty and the Bishop will still preach in a AC hall with technology at its peak .
Keep on deceiving yourself ,if they give you Ikeya Rams and you can't eat it ,send it to me by courier. #OurMumuDonDo

It depends on what you mean by good religion. Giving charity and praying 5 times daily is good. Hating someone with dissenting views is bad, inciting violence against that person is worse and committing violence and killing of that individual is the worst.

UnchangeableGod:
2nd Timothy 3:14 says "But continue thou in the things which thou has learned and has been assured of, knowing of whom thou has learned them". Here Paul was telling Timothy to continue in the way of God he had been taught as contained in the first Epistle as well as the second. Of course, there are a lot other things Timothy had learnt from Paul which were not penned down (which you term oral tradition). They all agree with godliness (1st Timothy 6:3,4) and did not and could not have contradicted the Scriptures. Paul lived an exemplary Christian life. So he had the moral authority to tell Timothy to follow those teachings because his(Paul's) life did not contradict his Scripture-based teachings. 2nd Timothy 1:13,14 say the same. The 'sound' words and 'that good thing' (the saving and preserving truth) all refer to Scripture based godly teachings. In 2nd Timothy 2:2, Timothy was enjoined to reproduce himself by passing on the undiluted Scripture based truth to faithful men who will be faithful enough to teach same unadulterated truth to others and on and on until Christ comes. As I typed previously, each Christian leader has his own philosophy and fancies based on his upbringing, unique experiences and personality. He would naturally want those within his sphere of influence to toe that line. For instance, some Christian leaders emphasize a type of dress code for their members, while others discourage their members from 'worldly' games/sports. Others frown against involvement in partisan politics, others maintain a system or rigid process of marriage etc. These leaders mean well for their members and such concerns are Scriptural. But that does not mean that all those who who are born again and living right, who may not follow these traditions are sinning. However, a Christian who finds himself in a fold, knowing their rules, should comply so long as it is not against the Scriptures - the word of God. Thanks.

Finally you agree there are some teachings and/or traditions not vividly written in the bible but will serve as a useful tool in proper interpretation of some verses in the bible... And which the early Church fathers were urged to maintain IN ADDITION AND CONFORMITY WITH THE BIBLE to reveal the biblical truth. That, my friend, is the tradition the Church has maintained ever since. Once you break away from the Church which has this sort of exclusive authority bestowed on her; coupled with an almost unconditional guarantee of guidance by the Holy Spirit to teach the truth, you are prone to misinterpretation and heresy knowingly or unknowingly, which the bible strongly condemns.

Does that make sense now?

Madam Hilda, see tori wey just dey sweet dey go, na hin you take barge spoil am.

UnchangeableGod:
Shocked? I am only shocked that you could so soon contradict yourself. Your question was whether it was right to interpret the Scriptures subjectively. Which I answered to the negative. Here you are interpreting same Scriptures subjectively to suit your ideas and opinions other than the facts. As to the oral traditions you mentioned, they are useful in teaching godliness as long as they do not contradict the Scriptures. Every Christian leader has his personal philosophy and fancies, which he influences his followers to live by (if that is what you term oral traditions) but such MUST NEVER contradict any provisions of the Scriptures otherwise it becomes heresy. Thanks.

In case you missed it. I will repost.

I would love to know your understanding of the verses- 2 Timothy 3:14, 2 Timothy 1:13-14, 2 Timothy 2:2 as I explained.

By the way, the interpretation is the Catholic Church interpretation. Therefore, it comes with authority which Christ Himself bestowed on the Church.