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AnonymousIP:
The journey that started some years back just came to a beautiful end!! Today i stopped carrying the tag " Undergraduate" around!!

First of all, i thank God for his mercy and love towards me for "without God we can do nothing". I thank my ever supportive parents, my lovely brothers and my sweet sister.

I thank my beautiful readers and the lovely people of Nigeria ... MAY God continue to bless you all.

And today, I remember my Late Cousin and Roommate, Nkiruka Anthonia Ikeanyionwu (The only surviving child of my mother's late sister) who was killed during Biafra protest on the 2nd day of December, 2015, while on her way to Onitsha to get her school fees receipt, I pray that God through his infinite mercy welcomes you into his eternal glory.

And to the the entire "blogosphere" may God continue to strengthen us all!! The reward for hard work is more work!! May we never get tired of using the internet!!! ... Lol.

Thank you Nairaland , Ever grateful.

This Viviangist fine o. To marry juz dey hungry me walahi

ibtz:
Yet again for the third time, you ignored what i said u should not ignore. i would write it first. Dont ignore it again u hear

1.
if u say dat jesus was talking literally terms dat he was biological son of God, then we have to take other claims of Son of God in literal terms too, no exception right.

i believe d following are not my words

Sons of God
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.( Here Adam is called Son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

2. it is clear he refuted them, but they did not believe what he said anyway, likewise they did not believe in him as Christ, its doubting him altogether. They were just looking for excuse to hammer him as they did to their previous prophets for calling them out. (criticizing them). They had a knack for disbelieving and rejecting their prophets. As evident in this verse,

There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
John:10:19

And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
John:10:20


And pls do not ignore what i posted as no 1

If your mother calls me "my son", would that imply you and I are in the same right her biological sons?

The important point to emphasize is that Jesus Christ is the only-begotten (only-born) son of God the Father, by an eternal generation. On the other hand, Christians are sons of God by regeneration, i.e. by being born again.

Now tell me about your allah and muhammad. Let's see how your own belief holds up.

ibtz:
Lol, because u know its true and u have rejected it
it doesn't fit because it challenges trinity clearly and perfectly


Its a very simple read, before those verses, u have dis
Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John:10:24

Meaning, he has told them he was Christ but they did not believe, but when he said " i and my father are one, they picked stones to stone him

And verses continua

Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
John:10:32

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John:10:33

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

from this you can see that d Israelites sought to stone him for blasphemy but he refuted by answering
them is it not in your law that ye are gods. Meaning why do u say i blaspheme when its in your law that ye are gods(metaphorically), if its there metaphorically, i have the right to state that I and the father are one metaphorically because i cannot contradict myself by saying "i have not come to abolish/change the law or the prophets but i have come to FULFILL it(Matthew 5:17) and also saying "Hear O israel OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE"(Mark12:29).

i do not see where the jews do not understand their own Bible from here.


PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE THIS BELOW FOR THE THIRD TIME


if u say dat jesus was talking in literally terms dat he was biological son of God, then we have to take other claims of Son of God in literal terms too, no exception right

i believe d following are not my words. this below are other contradictions of jesus being the son of God.

Sons of God

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.( Here Adam is called Son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

According to you, they misconstrued his statement and was about stoning him. Then he refuted them to save himself by using metaphors. And when he was done, they still tried to arrest him for same thing he refuted?

Did you say you did not fall on your head as a baby?

ibtz:
O my key analogy fits perfectly and you know it!!!

For what big argument pls if not for the argument of "i am god" and "ye are gods"

No, they misunderstood him, thats why he said,
john 10:34 "is it not in your law, i said ye are gods"(mind u dis is d next verse afta 10:33).
meaning, dont misunderstand me, its in your law that ye are gods metaphorically and i am only claiming Son of God metaphorically, because i know d law and i know its blasphemy to claim other gods with God. Thats y i said "i have not come to destroy/change the law or the prophets, i have only come to fulfill them" and i also said "Hear o Israel, OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE"

And still is it right to claim Jesus statement of "i and the father are one" literally when u have other verses like this that are not taken literally when it is jewish custom, that anybody close to God spiritually is called Son of God not in literal terms:

Sons of God

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.(Adam called son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

Are you the one explaining the trinity to me? Your analogy simply doesn't fit to my explanation.

So you mean the Jews do not understand their bible then?
Can you explain this:
Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him.

ibtz:
1. Your first statement brings me back to this yet again



2. And jesus refuted them by saying (jesus answered them)

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

meaning, if i call myself son of god in literal terms, which indeed i know to be a blasphemy in the law, "the law also calls you gods". although we know that to be in metaphorical terms. So i call myself son of god in metaphorical term because i also said i have not come to abolish/change the law or the prophets, i have come to fulfill them.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew:5:17

Shikeena, very straight forward !!!!

First off, your "key" analogy doesn't fit. It's different from my analogy of trinity.

Jesus by his "ye are gods" statement was evidently trying to disarm them and to set them up for a bigger argument. Although he has just shown that all of Israel can be called 'gods', God the Father had consecrated him and sent him into the world, so he must be worthy of the title 'god' in an even greater sense (Son of God).

That said, the bottomline is they understood he was making a clear claim. It would not have been an issue if he had said he's the same "god" like the rest of them. They fully understood he was taking it too far.

“We are not stoning you for any good work... but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man (god, like them), claim to be God.” (John 10:33)

ibtz:
so its now also u dat came 2000 years later dat knows best

which still brings us to this contradiction yet again!!!

"Hear o israel, Our Lord Our God is One". which by the way is not a metaphor and is a huge claim!!!

Sure, our Lord our God is one. And Jesus claims to be one with that One God.

This following statement is not mine.

“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:33)

bahaushe1:
Congratulations!

Thank you. Praise be to Jesus.

AleksAndrya:
"The former skinny lady now a fitness trainer achieved the amazing feat within few months without any surgical procedures".

Can we join our beloved sister in praising the name of the Lord. This is surely the mighty work of God, brethren please lets just jam our hands together for the God of all possibilities. It happened within few months.
This is such a wonderful testimony. Tonu Chineke ayin.

Ayu owkay?

ibtz:
Exactly my point, gods mean Judges, rulers metaphorically, then jesus assertion that i and the father are one is purely metaphorical.

simple as abc

No, "I and the Father are one" and "Before Abraham I Am" statements are not metaphors. They are huge claims. The Jews understood what he said, not you that came by 2000 years later nor muhammad who came 600 years later.

bahaushe1:
It may be a blockbuster now but it certainly will be an evidence against you on a day to come.

My knowledge tells me it's gonna be against you. And I know I'm right.

ibtz:
d scripture applies the same term metaphorically. how is dis hard.
because if it calls mere men gods literally then d scripture in itself blasphemes. because if God destroyed nations for worshipping other gods than Him, then calls mere men "gods" literally, dat is double standards mehnnn. Dat means dat jesus was also accusing the scripture(God's words) of being blasphemous.
i fail to see y u dont understand that

Let’s start with a look at Psalm 82, the psalm that Jesus quotes in John 10:34. The Hebrew word translated “gods” in Psalm 82:6 is Elohim. It usually refers to the one true God, but it does have other uses. Psalm 82:1 says, “God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods.” It is clear from the next three verses that the word “gods” refers to magistrates, judges, and other people who hold positions of authority and rule. Calling a human magistrate a “god” indicates three things: 1) he has authority over other human beings, 2) the power he wields as a civil authority is to be feared, and 3) he derives his power and authority from God Himself, who is pictured as judging the whole earth in verse 8.

This use of the word “gods” to refer to humans is rare, but it is found elsewhere in the Old Testament. For example, when God sent Moses to Pharaoh, He said, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh” (Exodus 7:1). This simply means that Moses, as the messenger of God, was speaking God’s words and would therefore be God’s representative to the king. The Hebrew word Elohim is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28.

The whole point of Psalm 82 is that earthly judges must act with impartiality and true justice, because even judges must stand someday before the Judge. Verses 6 and 7 warn human magistrates that they, too, must be judged: “I said, `You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.” This passage is saying that God has appointed men to positions of authority in which they are considered as gods among the people. They are to remember that, even though they are representing God in this world, they are mortal and must eventually give an account to God for how they used that authority.

Teempakguy:
It's been quite a long time since I've seen nonsense like this. Let's pick this apart, shall we?I never defined punishment in the post you quoted. I only stated the objective of punishment. I clearly stated "the point of punishment . . ." how could you miss this?

The point of punishment is not what you stated it to be. Period. You were making a subjective assertion which is objectively incorrect.

The emboldened is literally a paraphrase of what you quoted, all you did was repeat gist of what I typed. and yes, that's why it's unfair, it almost a lottery ticket of who gets to die saved by the right God, it's so messed up that someone like shekau could make heaven by simply converting and this argument could get you to hell.

Yes, Shekau and even Hitler, if repented and obtained forgiveness and salvation which God offers for all, would stand a chance of making heaven. ALL their sins would be forgiven. Do you even know the meaning of forgiveness?

the rest of the post is just brainwash jabber. however, it's interesting that you should ask me what mercy is, I'll tell you what mercy is not, burning 90% of your own creation for eternity, due to finite crimes.

God does not predetermine anybody to go to hell. He gave man the gift of life and free will to choose what he wants to do. Which means hell is God's complement to the reality of human freedom and the dignity of human choice. If you choose to live your life separate from God, he's not going to drag you to heaven against your will. He will grant your wish and you will live separate from him (that would be hell). It has everything to do with freewill. There's no clear idea of heaven and hell in the bible (it is also described as a place of darkness), just so you know.

CS Lewis in his book 'the great divorce', writes about people in heaven going to hell and bringing people out of hell to heaven. As soon as those people get near heaven, they were like 'oh wait a minute... living in the presence of God? No thank you. We don't want it'

Lewis goes on to say that to be forever cut off from God’s presence, eternally unable to know God’s love and mercy, would be a torture best described by being burned ceaselessly by fire. To be totally separated from other creatures, to be wholly and increasingly self-absorbed, makes that self smaller and smaller, and ultimately will result in the person ceasing to be a self. To someone who has been wholly centered on self, having that self cease to exist would be the ultimate possible loss, a horror describable for us, only through images of physical destruction. The torture of separation and the terror of ceasing to exist are better seen not as punishments imposed by God, but as the natural and inevitable outcome of choices humans themselves make and attitudes they themselves develop.

you have been brainwashed. Kim jong un must also be a just president, he serves judgement to unrepentant North Koreans. what boring logic.

Your analogy is flat-out weak. Kim Jung Un neither created justice nor right and wrong. God has shown throughout ages that although he is Supreme, he is a God of justice and also of mercy.

I wasn't talking about me. I was talking about the millions of people who have died without knowing anything about Christianity. these people are called unbelievers, and if Christianity right, they're definitely in hell right now, wondering what the hell went wrong.

The Old Testament believers went to a place of comfort and rest called “paradise” when they died, and later went heaven after Christ died. The Old Testament taught life after death and that everyone who departed from this life went to a place of conscious existence. The general term for this place was Sheol, which could be translated “the grave” or “the realm of the dead.” The wicked were there (Psalm 9:17; 31:17; 49:14; Isaiah 5:14), and so were the righteous (Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13; Psalm 6:5; 16:10; 88:3; Isaiah 38:10).

The New Testament equivalent of Sheol is Hades. Luke 16:19–31 shows that, prior to Christ’s resurrection, Hades was divided into two realms: a place of comfort where Lazarus was (Abraham’s bosom or Abraham’s side) and a place of torment where the rich man was (hell). Lazarus’s place of comfort is elsewhere called “paradise” (Luke 23:43). The place of torment is called “Gehenna” in the Greek in Mark 9:45. Between paradise and hell (the two districts of Hades) there was “a great chasm” (Luke 16:26). The fact that no one could cross this chasm indicates that, after death, one’s fate is sealed.

You are not only brainwashed, but ignorant. Crime and carnage has almost zero correlation with religion, in fact, religion has caused several wars and crimes against humanity, before and after, all through human history. peace is gained by civilization, which is a product of science, not religion.

We were not talking religion, rather God's punishment that deter people from committing atrocities. Remove God in the world and your gene pool would've ended long time ago in Auschwitz gas chamber. Your brain tells you God is responsible for the proliferation of nuclear weapons? You're a joke.

Now you're a liar as well, hell is clearly described as fire, a place of torment and suffering, Separation from God already happened in the garden of eden and hell is the punishment for not running back to stroke his ego. a stupid, pointless and psychotic punishment.

You sound like a whiner. Simply put, God won't force salvation on you. You make your choice here on earth where you would like to spend your eternity.

ibtz:
So wat did d jews know d coming of a messiah if not as a prophet, because it is in Jewish law dat dere is no oda God but God and its blasphemy to claim that God has a biological son. And jesus even said in the bible about law.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew:5:17.
So if it was jewish law, dat it was blasphemous to claim anoda God against the God of Abraham, then jesus said it himself from d above verse, he has not come to destroy the law but to what? fulfill it.

Please note, he refuted them by sayin 10:34 because if he wasn't, he wouldn't have claimed dat dey were also gods in d law metaphorically, if jesus said "is it not in d law that ye are gods", did he mean dat God's law was blasphemous too ehnn (Answer that).

if he refuted them by saying "is it not in your law i say ye are gods" they wouldnt need to stone him, but they refused and rejected him altogether for his claim to be the Messiah/christ, not d claim as the Son of God as evident in dis verse.
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Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John:10:24

If u claim jesus called himself Son of God literally, then why do u have contradictions like "Hear o Israel, Our Lord Our God is One". plus many oda contradictions too.

Jesus' claim that He is same with the Father does not contradict the oneness of God.

Now, let’s look at how Jesus uses this passage. Jesus had just claimed to be the Son of God (John 10:25-30). The unbelieving Jews respond by charging Jesus with blasphemy, since He claimed to be God (verse 33). Jesus then quotes Psalm 82:6, reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men (men of authority and prestige) as “gods.” Jesus’ point is this: you charge me with blasphemy based on my use of the title “Son of God”; yet your own Scriptures apply the same term to mere men (as described above). If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent (verses 34-36)?

Read Verse 34-42 again.The jews understood what he was claiming to be and stoned him and wanted to seize him.

ibtz:
No they r not d same, dis d literal meaning of god

 (deity. A supernatural, typically immortal being with superior powers. A male deity)

they did so because they thought he was claiming to be God, but he refuted by saying "Is it not in your law i said ye are gods" and they were also used to rejecting and trying to kill their prophets as evident in d following verses;
Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.(they knew of d coming of Christ as a prophet)
John:10:24

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John:10:25

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John:10:26


And also d example of wat happened to John.

The knew about the Messiah (not prophet) who was to come. They failed to recognize Jesus was the messiah.

(John 10:24-31) The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[b]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him.

He was not denying or refuting anything? Infact, it became clearer to the Jews what He was claiming himself to be. That's why they stoned him.

asuustrike2009:
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.( Matthew 5:48)

Explain

ibtz:
Then,from this above bible verses, u r discrediting your claim that God appears in 3 forms, from concluding verses

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John:10:33

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John:10:35



From 10:34 is it not written in your law , I said ye are gods?

From d above, can we say jesus was talking about the jews being gods literally, noo, but he was talking metaphorically (god:metaphor A person in a high position of authority or a person highly revered) and hence his response in a metaphorical manner means his first assertion " i and the father are one". was also metaphorical. meaning(i and the father are united).if he meant him and d father are one as a single entity, he wouldn't have said what he said in 10:34.

if i say, white and black people are One, or husband and wife joined as one. what do i mean? do i mean they are a single entity, noo meaning they are united metaphorically.
Hence your Bible is contradicting u and discrediting your claim that God appears in 3 forms.

Think about dis, if jesus said "hear o israel, OUR lord OUR God is One". from d statement " OUR" meaning We, Us (jesus identifying as a man here). OUR Lord God is One meaning (we/us Men,human beings) our lord is one.

Which brings us back to this.





Still you refuse to acknowledge the truth

Is God and god thesame? Why did the jews stone him?

sukkot:
the real JESUS. any other image apart from this one is GRAVEN image

https://www.racismreview.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Black-Jesus.jpg

Is it the image that matters to you?

Engryagulam:
All Muslims MUST believe in Jesus as a messenger and prophet of God Almighty to have a complete faith.
Equally we have it in mind that God has no Son but servants as HE'S all high.

I asked a personal question, man. Do you believe in Jesus and follow everything he says?

ibtz:
ouuu, i think d narrative is changing




Now wat is jesus sonship as different to what think we in the bible?

pls explain

Read John 10:22-42 you will get the whole scope.

For short: (John 10:30-33) "I and the Father are one." 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God,"

Teempakguy:
1. The point of punishment is to reform behavior. Any other kind of punishment is unfair because it benefits no one, both the punisher and the punished.

You made that definition up, didn't you? You obviously don't know what punishment means.

2. The punishment is only meted out to those who die while committing them, making it possible to escape punishment after years of committing the crime, and you could get this punishment by committing the crime once! this is unfair.

The atonement for sins is always there waiting for any sinner to accept. It lasts until one's dying breath. God is merciful. What do you understand by mercy?

3. the person who is punishing people has been documented committing/abetting these crimes, this is unfair.

God is a just judge. He serves judgment to unrepentant sinners.

4. it is possible to commit these crimes without knowing the punishment and in fact, at sweeping majority of the people to be punished never knew anything. this is unfair.

We say ignorant of the law is not an excuse. You have your rules and commandments to guide you. (1 Corinthians 10:12) Therefore, whoever thinks he is standing securely should watch out so he doesn't fall. (Matthew 26:41) "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

5. the existence of this punishment has done nothing to reduce the crime being committed. this is unfair.

It has tremendously reduced crime. You only need to read up the carnage that happened previous centuries.

in fact, it is a waste of time, especially when it lasts forever in which case it's a colossal waste of time.

Sin separates us from God and hell is living separate from God. If you choose freely to live your life separate from God, God will grant your freedom of choice. End of story.

bahaushe1:
Indeed Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) is coming soon. He will descend to the earth when the false Messiah appear. He will fight and kill the false Messiah. He will denounce ALL those that worshipped him and will accept nothing from anybody other than Islam.

He will die and be given Islamic funeral after gathering large number of followers.

A cool braze will then cover the surface of the earth and take along with it righteous people (Muslims).

The disbelievers will then be left alone on earth and on them the FINAL HOUR will fall.

This your doom movie na blockbuster o

ibtz:
No i did not fall my head lol.

U are d one claiming trinity now, not me. If One God reveals Himself in 3 distinct forms/persons, then God appears as his own son ba meaning God is his own son.

U people are one confused lot

God is his own son.

just accept d truth but noo u cant.
Bruhhhhh. lol

You are the confused one here. Sonship of Jesus as mentioned in the bible is different from what we normally think. The Jews who accused him of blasphemy, stoned and later tortured and crucified him understood exactly what claim of Jesus' sonship meant. They know it is not in the same way we are called sons/children of God.

Engryagulam:
Eternity is real,
Heaven is real,
Hell is real,

Believe in God Almighty as the creator of all, believe in all his prophets sent to humanity including Jesus and follow his commands. That's what it takes to be a believer. .

Have it in mind that HE is omnipotent and doesn't need a helper, Has no Son except that all of us are his creatures including the most Powerful prophets: Jesus, Moses, Abraham and Muhammad (SAW)

Do you believe in Jesus and follow His commands?

erenax:
You are contradicting yourself. They said he is the son of God and they said he is God. Which one is now the correct one between the two?

Not the way we use it normally. The Jews knew exactly what "Son of God" meant. They accused him of blasphemy. Reason he was stoned, tortured and killed.

erenax:
How is Jesus God He was sent by God to pass his message to people on earth. He is a human being , how will you worship a human being.
This is a form of idolism

Like I said, Jesus is God who became man so we can interact and relate with God. He is God revealing Himself to man the way we can and should understand.

MasterKim:
God doesn't have a religion.
We humans created religion to justify and suit ourselves.

Even Jesus came and said LOVE is the only commandment. Meaning, if we love each other Christian or agnostic or traditional worshiper, this world would be a better place.

So it's better to shun religion and love each other

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

YourImaginaryBF:
we don't serve the same God because we do not worship God's creation (Jesus)

erenax:
Are you worshipping Jesus or God?? Because Jesus is a human being

He is God also, and not created. That's why we worship Him.

asuustrike2009:
Be ye perfect for I am perfect says Yahweh. Yahweh is interested in our perfection(100%) not 99.9% perfection.

So, what's your point? Perfection as implies in the bible can be achieved through a process. Walking in the way of Christ (imitating him) is what we are called to do in achieving "perfection".

asuustrike2009:
How many truly love God? Do we know what it takes to love him. Someone persons claim they love God yet they're living in sin and they say God sees the heart. I just smile when I see such people

"Claim" you said. Nevertheless, children of God do sin because they are imperfect humans.

MrScribe:
I have a son whom I love very much. I sometimes educate my son using obstacles but I can never imagine asking my son to choose between life and death. If I had the powers, I will protect my son from death, from anything that will seperate us. When I punish my son, I do it with love and consideration for his health. No matter how angry he may get me or no matter how many times he annoys me, I can never kill my son. Even with all these, I still sometimes feel as if I am not doing enough. That I am not a very good father.

Now, as a father, how do you expect me to see any value in the god portrayed in the Bible?

You just described a strict Islamic Allah who forces relationship with his children. That would be you infringing on your children's right to choose what they want (emphasis on want).

Tawriya in full effect.

ibtz:
Lol, now u know i am correct and i have caught u dats why u said i made God type up.

Oga u av been flawed, but i know u wont admit it. hahahahaha

And u know its true (from your response of me making God type up), makes me soooo happy yeahh

its just simple, worship the one individual who created u.

i used your explain analogy to flaw you and u know it

you cant create a worthy response thats why u say i am making it up. But no u christians have made up notion of trinity, when the Israelites only worshipped the God of Abraham

My My

Let me ask you this
since sango, ogun, osun are gods yeahh

Are Sango, ogun, osun of "God"(supreme being that controls d whole universe) type? if u say i am making God type up.

ibtz:
Look at dis.

3 distinct keys of a key A(meaning of a type of key) , means u have 3 keys of type A in your hand not one type A key, 3 type A keys. if 3 distinct type A keys explains the "A" type key(meaning those 3 keys have some or all attributes of A type) it doesn't matter, as far u have 3 keys, those 3 keys dont metamorphose into one, its still 3 distinct A type keys, there is not one but 3 type A keys. Hence d same thing with trinity 3 distinct gods of type God ("God" meaning of a supreme being that has control over the whole universe ) still is 3 gods in your hand of type God
(still a supreme being that has power over everything). 3keys of type A key is 3 A keys. so 3 gods of type "God" is what oga 3 Gods.
3 God types is 3 Gods not one. simple as abc.

Did you fall your head as a baby?
There are no 3 types of God. There is only one God who reveals Himself in 3 distinct forms/persons.