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mfm04622:
WzIn what way or how were the Zimbabwean farmers hounded? Who hounded them, given that Abdulfatah Ahmed was installed by Saraki and did not do anything Saraki did not want?
Give example please.

Maybe you need to do more research about why they left. What I heard was there was no market for what they were producing (No market for fresh milk, no off taker for fresh milk) and no infrastructure in place to support export.

If local farmer were given supports Saraki gave the foreigners, don't you think the ventures would have been more successful?

If truly Dangote was interested in outgrower scheme for sugarcane, they don't need to lease the land! Do you hear if any issue with Tomato Jos that is doing tomato outgrower scheme in Kaduna?

Saraki leased them land under the Land Use Act...
Same as would be done for any other commercial agricultural investment (domestic or foreign) in Nigeria.

They took bank loans (banks now own 75% of the holding company) for housing, developing the land, importing livestock and machinery, etc.
Meanwhile, any similarly-placed Nigerian farmer could easily access the facilities of NISRAL, Bank of Agriculture and the Agric Insurance Scheme.
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mfm04622:
WzIn what way or how were the Zimbabwean farmers hounded? Who hounded them, given that Abdulfatah Ahmed was installed by Saraki and did not do anything Saraki did not want?
Give example please.

Maybe you need to do more research about why they left. What I heard was there was no market for what they were producing (No market for fresh milk, no off taker for fresh milk) and no infrastructure in place to support export.

If local farmer were given supports Saraki gave the foreigners, don't you think the ventures would have been more successful?

If truly Dangote was interested in outgrower scheme for sugarcane, they don't need to lease the land! Do you hear if any issue with Tomato Jos that is doing tomato outgrower scheme in Kaduna?

Is Kaduna in Niger State? What has Kaduna got to this with this particular land dispute?
Do you hear of any issue with Dangote Tomato Paste that is doing outgrower scheme in Kano?

The fact this is the only site out of the FOUR Dangote Sugar sites means the issue is PECULIAR to this site.

Meanwhile, while admittedly I cannot claim to have all of the intimate details of the Zimbabwean farmers debacle, the core of their business remains active and viable in Kwara State, and is in fact the state’s biggest and most visible agricultural venture. Nonetheless, the parts of the initial land grant that was reportedly taken back from them, is currently underutilized and mostly fallow (I guess the political farmers are gone).
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richmond500:
Pictures From The Burial Ceremony Of High Chief O.B. Lulu Briggs

Late business mogul, philanthropist, and industrialist, High Chief Olu Benson Lulu-Briggs was finally laid to rest on March 13, 2021, after more than two years since he died.

FINALLY! This dude died YEARS AGO!!

PS: Meanwhile, yet again in Nigeria, no social distancing.
Here’s hoping that some of these mourners do NOT shortly hereafter join the chief in the hereinafter.
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nairalandankrah:
Son!!Your mum has made her decision..
She's not your daughter

Kpom!
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abidem4real:
Woman, the destroyer of the destiny of man right from her creation is the most nonsensical creature ever created by God.

Beautypearls62:
I'm not being a woman-hater, but have you noticed that majority of the problem on the earth are women-related (even money)?

Here's a secret ; the day you realise that se x and the se xual organs of the female body is overrated and that our reasons for existence as human is far beyond sex, that's when you start living life. The real life!

You are of course a crude MISOGYNIST...
If men minded their own business, they would have no women issues.
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Richy4:
I was not there but that boy was lying profusely HABA!!! ...... Anyone that can read between the line will knows what transpired there... He challenged the police officer.....Putting it mildly that the officer noticed him and called other police officers is just BS....... who is a 22yrs old trying to sell that kind of story to?...Even the cult stuff the father mentioned , I don't know why I think it was his son that organized them to intimidate the police man and not the father as the police officer thinks...

The police officer has no right to abuse his power by detaining a citizen unlawfully... It's just wrong...The kid should have blamed his mother or his father for their inability to stay together...

Ruggman:
I suspect you to be the police officer in question or his accomplice in the crime

Bros, the story read like TALES BY THE MOONLIGHT throughout...
Dude didn’t eat or drink water for 4 days, but on the 4th day he “summoned courage” to escape.
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mfm04622:
You really don't know what is going on!

If you separate the rural farmer from his land, you have created poverty in that community. You have changed people who are self employed and we'll to do to unemployed people that need handouts!
For example, you pay 100k compensation for the land, in a year, the 100kbis finished. The man instead of farming his land will become a labourer earning minimum wages that can't take care of him and his family. Or he has to leave the village to hustle in town and cities. Whatever the case, you have made him poor! That land he was paid 100k for will normally make him 300k if not more in a year. So when wise communities say no to such investments, be happy for them.
There are many hectares of land that is not occupied, investors should go there and not divest farmers from their lands

The land was not purchased, but leased under the Land Use Act. Most important, this is an OUT-GROWER venture and accordingly the local farmers would continue to hold and cultivate the land and grow the cane, but would be assured of a guaranteed OFF-TAKER in Dangote Sugar. Conversely, what’s the point in farmers cultivating products that they cannot be sure of selling or which they would struggle to reliably get to market given poor logistics and infrastructure in Nigeria (and hence why as much as 60% of harvests are lost). Furthermore, Dangote companies often build roads, schools, clinics, roads, and provide electricity for the communities that they are located in (eg, Obajana, Gboko, Ibeshe, etc.). Even if you could argue that the farmers don’t need schools, their kids would need it as the world (and agriculture) evolves beyond subsistence farming and livelihood, and their families would definitely benefit from ante-natal and other medical services.

The reality of course (if we are being honest with ourselves) is that these sorts of protests and disputes are rarely (if ever) led by the poor rural farmers themselves, but almost always by self-interested “leaders” who are often amenable to financial inducement. Frankly glad that the company called their bluff and is moving on (as you rightly noted, there are several other potentially suitable sites for sugar cultivation in Nigeria). This is pretty much reminiscent of what happened in Kwara State, where after the resettled Zimbabwean farmers were effectively chased and hounded out, the ‘disputed’ land has since lain mostly fallow and unused or underutilized.
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collinsz:
Sugar monopoly is gradually ending, can’t survive any longer. Come here taking trash. Don’t worry, one day we will get to know.

NetValueFX:
Dangote no sabi business. Na only Monopoly dey help am

SouthSouth1914:
Yes he does! Is the same treatment being given to dangote given to other companies? If no, then dangote is enjoying a preferential treatment from the government as a monopolistic group.

The questions right now is, do you know the meaning of a monopolistic company?

RUBBISH!

BUA and Flour Mills (GoldenSugar) are all part of this BIP program....
The BIP is open to ALL sugar refiners in Nigeria, to incentivize them to replace imported raw sugar by growing sugar locally.
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slawormiir:
Damnnn niggarrrr
This monopolistic moda fuckkker
Shut his gadamnnn business

Be acting like a star boy....whereas he is pussy ass niggarr romancing federal government to get preferential treatment

Bitter petty-minded Nigerians...

Dangote Sugar has four other plantations (with mills).
It decided it did not want to be needlessly embroiled in a LAND DISPUTE, so it left.
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Kubernetes:
It said the land was purchased for its backward integration project (BIP) which is ongoing in some other states including Adamawa, Nasarawa, and Taraba.

The land was actually NOT purchased. It was leased to Dangote Sugar by the Niger State government under the Land Use Act, and the Estu Nupe was there (as were other community leaders) when the agreement was signed.

SadiqBabaSani:
let the Community eat d land

Asquare84:
Let the community eat the land since they don't want development in there land

Exactly! I have said it so many times before here on Nairaland...
Many Nigerians would rather own 100% of NOTHING than a little bit of something. People are that small-minded!

The funny thing here is that this is primarily an OUT-GROWER venture. Accordingly, the local farmers would continue to cultivate the land and grow the cane, but are assured of a guaranteed OFF-TAKER in Dangote Sugar. Of course, in addition, Dangote companies often build roads, schools, clinics, roads, and provide electricity for the communities that they are located in (eg, Obajana, Gboko, Ibeshe, etc.).
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kirajustice:
https://www.thecable.ng/dangote-sugar-refinery-shuts-subsidiary-in-niger

OP, it’s NOT a sugar refinery...
But rather a sugar plantation with a mill.
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BlackPantherxXx:
I watched one video the elite ESN operatives were panting and shouting at each other.

They eventually shot one cow dead with no herdsman in sight.

I have NEVER seen a single cow just walking around so I hope they didnt buy the cow and staged it.

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immortalcrown:
So, an online country can make Fulanis run?

I also red that Miyeti Alah condemned ESN for killing a Fulani. So, an online country can kill offline?

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MakeMoves:
Like it’s not the same outdated Nigerian medical curriculum they’ll use to treat...

Like it’s not the same NEPA and generator they’ll use for those machines which are designed for stable steady-state electricity...

Like it’s not the same archaic laws which would govern treatments( eg. police report—still practiced)...

Like the medical personnel and establishment aren’t mostly after your money...

Like I just wish things can be better...

No, it’s not. They are a multinational healthcare group...
They will use specialists and even Nigerian repats from across the globe.

Btw, do generators in Nigeria work any differently from generators elsewhere?
Not sure why you think running generators is unreliable. All electricity is generated by some form of generator.
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lexy2014:
Am glad u no d meaning of visible but so far u haven't been able to tell us the "very visible government support" the hospital received. Remember u also emphasized the type of visible by calling it "very visible...".

Over to u...what was d "very visible government support" the hospital received?

Don’t you dudes have enough with the juvenile semantics...
It was VERY VISIBLE to me, because I came across it when I was not even living in Nigeria.

Let’s quit chasing childish and churlish semantic shadows...
When a government functionary expresses public support for a project, that’s currency.
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Lazyyouth4u:
Give the boy some time. He’s on the internet frantically searching for the answer. He will be back shortly

You mean like your misinformation about the Evercare Health Fund?

Meanwhile, he’s GONE BACK to re-edit and re-enter the Dr. Hammond reference...
This dude is really bothered by anonymous posters on the Internet. How INSECURE!
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Lazyyouth4u:
This is my last response to you as it is very obvious I’m dealing with an idle youth sitting at home using google to appear smart. Dr Hammond did not sell the project! I won’t go into the details but i suggest you just keep shut and get busy. Stop talking about what you do not know.

I repeat that you should find something useful to do with your life instead of trying to prove your intelligence on a faceless forum. Use that time wey you dey use google to do something productive with your life. Time waits for no man.

Final adios to a jobless youth

Juvenile semantics...
One way or another, it was ACQUIRED by the subsequent developers.
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Lazyyouth4u:
That poster was right. This is a pure private sector hospital that was built from scratch by a PE firm called Abraaj (with investments from IFC, CDC, Proparco, etc) before they went under and the investment was given to another PE firm called TPG to manage. There was no equity contribution from Lagos State. None at all. Other than licensing and accreditation which the investors paid for.

It is a 165 bed state of the art hospital in Lagos. Only a foolish governor will decline the opportunity to be part of the opening that comes with ‘visibility’ that politicians crave.

I see the reference to Dr. Hammond was quickly removed after you found you goofed...

Lazyyouth4u:
Let me explain quickly..

Dr Hammond was trying to build something there a long time ago but couldn’t raise enough money from banks so it was abandoned as an incomplete building. It was later taken over by the PE investor, Abraaj (on behalf of Evercare Health Fund) who appointed the Indian contractor, Sharpooji Pallonji, to come and build that hospital. Abraaj later went under and another international Private Equity investor, TPG took over the management of the fund.

So Dr Hammond has absolutely nothing to do with this Evercare Hospital.

Nope! Abraaj did NOT take over Dr. Hammond’s project “on behalf Evercare Heslth Fund”.
Abraaj’s Global Healthcare Fund was RENAMED Evercare Health Fund only after it was taken over by TPG and others in 2019.
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lexy2014:
Promoted it how? Is that the "very visible government support"?

Visibility means seen...
As already severally noted on this thread, support is not always Naira and kobo.

Unlike some here, I don’t pretend to know what negotiations (if any) occur between governments and investors...
Nonetheless, just as when governors, etc., go to visit the Dangote Refinery, officialdom can demonstrate support through cheerleading.
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Lazyyouth4u:
Thought I should give you proper education on something you know nothing about but pretend to know a lot about. Someone using google extensively is very different from someone that has the real facts. By the way, I know where you pulled that info from online so stop acting all smart on a faceless forum full of your fellow students and idle youths

Now go and get busy boy and stop wasting precious time online. Nobody knows when ASUU will call off the strike o. So I suggest you enter streets to go hustle. Time waits for no man. Adios!

Meanwhile, I see where your basic issues arise from...
Unlike you, I am not a victim of what passes for an “education” system in Nigeria.
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lexy2014:
what is d "very visible government support" this hospital received?

Whoever the Health Commissioner was (either Dr. Pitan or his successor) was gung ho about the project. Certainly promoted it.
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Lazyyouth4u:
Thought I should give you proper education on something you know nothing about but pretend to know a lot about. Someone using google extensively is very different from someone that has the real facts. By the way, I know where you pulled that info from online so stop acting all smart on a faceless forum full of your fellow students and idle youths. Laughable

Now go and get busy boy and stop wasting precious time online. Nobody knows when ASUU will call off the strike o. So I suggest you enter streets to go hustle. Time waits for no man. Adios!

“Proper education” from someone struggling with basic concepts like “acquire”?!

So after the pedantic drivel, what have we learned?
Dr. Hammond started a hospital project there...check:
Dr. Hammond could not complete said project...check;
Dr. Hammond sold the project in 2016 or 2017...check;
The buyers renamed the project and completed it in 2021...check.

In other words, it took several paragraphs of driveling to repeat my already stated facts. CHECKMATE!
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Lazyyouth4u:
Let me explain quickly..

Dr Hammond was trying to build something there a long time ago but couldn’t raise enough money from banks so it was abandoned as an incomplete building. It was later taken over by the PE investor, Abraaj (on behalf of Evercare Health Fund) who appointed the Indian contractor, Sharpooji Pallonji, to come and build that hospital. Abraaj later went under and another international Private Equity investor, TPG took over the management of the fund.

So Dr Hammond has absolutely nothing to do with this Evercare Hospital.

9jaRealist:
Huh?! Comprehension deficit?
Did I say anywhere at all that it was not a pure private hospital?

Nonetheless, let me reaffirm (and will do so as many times as necessary) that it was Dr. Cecil Hammond’s Hospital project, with Sharpooji Pallonji as the main contractors, before it was acquired (I believe sometime around 2016 or 2017). As for the ultimate developers and its financing, let’s just say that Temilade led the process through various iterations, and just leave it at that.
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Sadly, all I see is someone still laboring under a comprehension deficit?

Pray, what confused you the most? The word “acquired”?
Or was it 2016 or 2017, for a project ultimately completed in 2021?! SMH
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Timoleon:
Unfortunately, this incident will leave some innocent citizens who were at the bank dead some others injured while majority of the others will suffer varying degrees of trauma. It so sad that we lie to ourselves that we practice democracy. Truth is that we are in total anarchy in this country.

What has democracy got to do with anything? There are no robberies in democracies?
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seguno2:
Careful how you shake your damn head so it does not fall and break up into tiny pieces.
Where did I say building good hospitals by the government (which this one is not) is a bad thing? Did you get confused with shaking your damn head in reading my comment? Or how did you get everything mixed up?

Meanwhile, someone who is functionally literate should know that more government hospitals and clinics built, does not automatically translate into the recruitment of healthcare workers.

Would it instead result in the recruitment of more Olodos?!
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Lazyyouth4u:
That poster was right. This is a pure private sector hospital that was built from scratch by a PE firm called Abraaj (with investments from IFC, CDC, Proparco, etc) before they went under and the investment was given to another PE firm called TPG to manage. There was no equity contribution from Lagos State. None at all. Other than licensing and accreditation which the investors paid for.

By the way, this is not Dr Hammond’s project. Get your facts right please.

It is a 165 bed state of the art hospital in Lagos. Only a foolish governor will decline the opportunity to be part of the opening that comes with ‘visibility’ that politicians crave.

Huh?! Comprehension deficit?
Did I say anywhere at all that it was not a pure private hospital?

Nonetheless, let me reaffirm (and will do so as many times as necessary) that it was Dr. Cecil Hammond’s Hospital project, with Sharpooji Pallonji as the main contractors, before it was acquired (I believe sometime around 2016 or 2017). As for the ultimate developers and its financing, let’s just say that Temilade led the process through various iterations, and just leave it at that.
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Eriokanmi:
Do you understand what word "designated" means? There are places designated for factories only, commercial activities only, residential purposes, etc by the government. If you now built something different in such locations, it would be pulled down. Where Evercre Hospital facility is located today was never a designated hospital place. You see that road mark only after the hospital has been fully completed and not before and during construction. The road mark is there to create awareness, just like saying pure water sold here, school children crossing, etc

Nope, they are NOT....
The term “designate” does NOT have a unitary meaning.

In the context of a hospital zone...
It mandates that all traffic slow down in the area (and grants certain rights of way).
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Lazyyouth4u:
You are wrong. The hospital is not owned by a group of Nigerians and is certainly not managed by Tanit Group. The hospital is owned by Evercare health fund (comprising development finance institutions such as IFC, CDC, Proparco, etc and other impact investors like Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation). The fund is managed by an international private equity firm, TPG.

Please stop posting false information. You don’t have to comment if you know nothing about a topic please.

And the more misinformed they are, the louder...
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seguno2:
The below is for your free education. You can thank me later.

Duh! I see you finally caught up to information I already proffered BEFORE your cut-and paste article about the VP...

9jaRealist:
It probably is.
Evercare is a multinational hospital group in several different countries and continents.
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Eriokanmi:
It's not a designated hospital zone. There was an occupant there before and a GT bank. The GT Bank is still there, sharing a fence with the hospital. The C of O you said didn't come for free. They paid for every registration done to acquire the place. They're also going to pay for signage and advert on the notice board. I don't see where the governor has impacted the huge Healthcare investment positively. Anyone else could have been invited for commissioning including the health minister. Not a big deal at all. Had the government donated a parcel of land to them, built a power plant or contributed in a way to ease doing business or creating an enabling environment, then it would have been a different thing.

Meanwhile, unless you were personally privy to the development, you cannot say what the government may have done (or not done) to facilitate the development of this hospital, but this project used to be Dr, Cecil Hammond’s Hospital, which received very visible governmental support when it was first initiated. Nonetheless, governmental support does not have to be particular. Rather it suffices that government creates an enabling environment within which different businesses and investors thrive. Support is not always in Naira and kobo.

And yes, anyone could have been invited to commission the hospital, but it was the Governor who was specifically invited. Similarly, the Governor could have easily declined or sent a representative but showing up is a very visible show of high-level state support for this sort of investment.
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Eriokanmi:
It's not a designated hospital zone. There was an occupant there before and a GT bank. The GT Bank is still there, sharing a fence with the hospital. The C of O you said didn't come for free. They paid for every registration done to acquire the place. They're also going to pay for signage and advert on the notice board. I don't see where the governor has impacted the huge Healthcare investment positively. Anyone else could have been invited for commissioning including the health minister. Not a big deal at all. Had the government donated a parcel of land to them, built a power plant or contributed in a way to ease doing business or creating an enabling environment, then it would have been a different thing.

But it is...
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lexy2014:
This is what u should be concerned about:

is this a private hospital or a state govt hospital?

It seems d question is so so difficult for u to answer

Not difficult at all for me...
But it would serve you better to figure it out.
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