₦airaland Forum

Donjazet2:
Geestenjay, as we commemorate the atrocities of slavery on the modern world (which is a very good step to take), can we take a minute to highlight the role of Africans in enabling the enslavement of their fellow kinsmen?

Can you do a little justice in highlighting the role played by Africans in the Atlantic slave trade?

Yes we know that of course, the Europeans and Americans were ruthless slave merchants who cares not one bit for the slaves but can you teach us our own side of that history? How it was possible for slavery to thrive on our own African soul.

I've highlighted the role of Africans in slave trade and slavery (whether among Africans or involving foreigners) already this morning. The questions you asked have all been addressed in my posts on this thread in the past.

Nothing to discuss now that I've not said before here.

Donjazet2:
Geestenjay, your grouse with me seems to stem either from a misunderstanding of my position or a display of selective bias on African history and past.

You are angry with me for calling African history barbaric, and maybe you think that in me calling African history barbaric, I also look favorably at European history or other regions history.

OR you yourself want to look at other people's history as very terrible and African history as a good thing.
Except, the simple truth is that the human race evolved from simple minded barbarity. No empire of the past came through without violent bloodshed and innumerable atrocities by modern day standards.

2000 years ago, African empires constantly battled themselves for supremacy, subjugation and expansion. Not even foreigners but sometimes, tribesmen against neighboring tribes tribesmen. One Yoruba village against another Yoruba village, one Igbo vs another igbo town. Anioma vs aniocha battle is a tale told till today where kinds sacrificed their own women to gain an upper hand.

Then talking about African cultural practices, you see the most ignorant and barbarity of the barbarics.

Legalized institutionalized incest. Where if a father of a household died, the son could inherit his own mother as a wife.

Mass murdering of babies; where innocent twins were slaughtered in their numbers.

Mass murdering of albinos; where albinos were slaughtered at birth.

Needless murdering of virgins when a king died.

Now mind you, some of these practices were not indigenous to only Africans, as I said earlier, our modern civilization grew from absolute carnage and barbarity. But for you to always point out that the atrocities of the western world and then sieve out that of your own ancestors or get violently angry when it is pointed out shows your hypocrisy or selective bias thereof.

I don't have time to read your tripe. You're very ignorant of the history of humans on this planet.

If African history is useless and has no value because it has a barbaric past like all other regions of the world, it means world history is useless.

No time for silly discussions. Read wide; read books of world history, and broaden your narrow (parochial) scope.

Reasoning: A panacea to world's problems

In the ultimate guide to rationality, Steven Pinker, who is a renowned Canadian cognitive psychologist, author, and atheist, "speaks to Big Think in this wide-ranging conversation on topics such as human progress, the tragedy of the commons, Bayesian reasoning, and strategies to curb our most destructive instincts, with the ultimate goal of improving the world for everyone.

"Central to Pinker’s argument is the promotion of rationality. Pinker maintains that humans are not innately irrational; instead, our thought processes are better adapted to low-tech environments.

"So, how can we cultivate greater rationality in today’s complex world? Pinker believes that one key lies in improving education.

"By teaching children critical thinking skills, we can better equip them to identify biases, emotional reasoning, and cognitive distortions. A more effective educational approach might emphasize probability theory, the elements of persuasive rhetoric, and developing empathy by understanding the perspectives of those with differing viewpoints.

By fostering these skills, we can nurture a more rational and informed society capable of addressing the challenges of our modern era."

What is Bayesian reasoning?

Bayesian reasoning is a statistical approach to making inferences about an unknown quantity of interest based on prior knowledge and new information.

Tips to apply Bayesian reasoning in everyday life:

Remember your priors
Priors are usually stereotypical thinking people have about different things.

Combining the prior knowledge you have with the evidence you observe gives you a more certain and robust conclusion.

Think of the counterfactuals

Don’t stick to your priors forever

We are sometimes stubborn to admit making mistakes. But we should change our mindset to “I am updating my beliefs based on evidence I’ve gathered so that it is closer to the truth”.

Luwabian reasoning

According to Otem, the origin of the Yoruba word, "omoluwabi" is a Yoruba man (a philosopher and moralist) that bears Luwabi born in the 140,000th year of the homo sapiens era (we're in the 282,023th year according to him). He offers compelling evidence for the various stories and histories in his book.

Otem calls Luwabi an ancestor of today's Yoruba people.

In Luwabian reasoning, "Morality is natural, immorality is a habit developed. Morality makes a nation, but terrorism tears it apart. But if you develop morality because you were first immoral, then it means you are coming back to your natural self. Think before you act, so that you don’t end up putting a finger of regret in your mouth. Do not agree easily (with others) until you see reasons why you should agree." -- Book of Universal History (pp. 281-286)

I believe a world developed based on reasoning (critical thinking) will help humanity solve its myriad problems, including slavery (or slave trade), poverty, diseases, climate change, and others, and make the world a better place.

A001:
While slavery has long been abolished and has ended, it's worthwhile to note that slavery exists in different forms: physically and mentally.

The physical type of slavery has ended. But the mental type (religion) is still waxing strong: Billions of religious people in the world are religious and in some form of mental slavery.

Though many people will disagree, the origin of slavery and racism lies in religion, especially the traditional religions and Abrahamic religions.

Generally, religious people regard themselves as a slave of their god. Yet, this god is just an ancestor, a past being.

Even if you disagree with this glaring fact, you can't deny the human-like traits of your god in his religious text.

In the past, some adherents of African traditional religions engaged in slave trade among themselves and even sold their fellow Africans to the Europeans and Arabs.

Christianity and Islam were important tools the slave masters used to conquer the minds of their African slaves.

Even if slave trade wasn't illegal in the past, it has always been wrong and amoral and will always remain so.

The historical contributions of these religions, especially Christianity and Islam, and their gods to slavery should always be remembered.

These religions, which are mere political tools of mind control, have over time limited the growth and development of this planet.

While the African traditional religions have their numerous flaws, they're still the best choice for Africans that feel they can't do without a religion.

Any true son/daughter of the soil should take time to research the history of slavery and colonialism in Africa, especially the trans-atlantic slave trade and Arab slave trade and note how Christianity and Islam served as a key tool that helped European and Arab slave masters and colonialists successfully enslave their fellow humans (who they regarded as "properties" ).

If you're sensible as an African, you'd know those two religions are an existential threat to all that you hold dear (your family, culture, values, norms, traditions) as an African.

Due to these religions, Africans have lost most of their history, and their cultures have become weakened.

European and Arab slave masters and colonialists deliberately destroyed monuments and cultural sites in Africa to wipe out African history.

Christianity and Islam are mere elements of the European and Arabic cultures respectively. Nothing special in them.

Knowing African history as a (black) race and preserving it is crucial to our survival and development on this planet.

If you're too weak mentally and too unintelligent to learn and preserve your history and culture as a people, other peoples (cultures) that are mentally stronger than you will manufacture and rewrite your history for you and enslave you with it.

A people that don't know their history won't grow and develop because they'll always repeat the mistakes of the past, won't be able to learn from their past mistakes, and will soon become a dead/extinct people (culture).

Religion, a tool for enslavement (mentally and physically).

https://www.thecable.ng/slave-trade-church-of-england-apologises-for-shameful-past-sets-up-100m-fund/amp

Donjazet2:


Roland17, case in point!

There is nobody who has ever engaged this fool who got out of it sane. It must always end in abuses if the person is not tolerant enough.

I've engaged different people here, some intelligent and some imbes like you.

Anytime you want to make a fool of yourself calling African history useless, African cultures barbaric, savage and should be abolished, make sure you stay as far away as possible from this moniker.

M.oron.

He's even ashamed of his low IQ to propagate his stupid ideas among fellow Ibos offline.

Powerful Europeans and Arabs do all in their power to wipe out African history for their hegemonic agenda.

Africans that are imbes like this also aid their enemies in Europe and Arabia to wipe out his own history (who knows maybe he has a dark past he's trying desperately to hide) as an African.

Empty brain criticising Nigerian politicians when he's much worse. If imbes like you get to powerful positions in the country/continent, the black (African) race will soon become extinct.

Foolish people like this should always be kept as far as possible away from the corridors of power.

We need politicians that are thinkers to lead, not dimwits.

Donjazet2:
The thing is, he can't prove how intelligible he actually is.
I'm one of those that used to calm down and read some of the articles he posts no matter how long because I thought it stimulates the mind but I found out that once you engage him, you're met with a barrage of insults.

Once you render an opinion or counter opinion, you automatically become "low IQ", "foolish" or "ignorant" and he ends up making people avoid him because of that lack of emotional maturity.

How far have you gone in spreading your dangerous and foolish ideologies among your fellow Igbo brothers that Africa history is useless and has no value, that African cultures (including the Ibo culture) are barbaric and savage and should be abolished?

I don't think you've spread your silly ideas among them offline at all. Something tells me you know you'd receive a worse backlash that what you got here.

Imbe

A001:
International Day for Remembrance of the Victims of Slavery and the Transatlantic Slave Trade

Some tragedies in human history are so monstrous, and of such magnitude, that we resolve to commemorate the victims every year – to show them the respect that was denied to them in their lifetimes, and to ensure that this will never happen again.

While slavery has long been abolished and has ended, it's worthwhile to note that slavery exists in different forms: physically and mentally.

The physical type of slavery has ended. But the mental type (religion) is still waxing strong: Billions of religious people in the world are religious and in some form of mental slavery.

Though many people will disagree, the origin of slavery and racism lies in religion, especially the traditional religions and Abrahamic religions.

Generally, religious people regard themselves as a slave of their god. Yet, this god is just an ancestor, a past being.

Even if you disagree with this glaring fact, you can't deny the human-like traits of your god in his religious text.

In the past, some adherents of African traditional religions engaged in slave trade among themselves and even sold their fellow Africans to the Europeans and Arabs.

Christianity and Islam were important tools the slave masters used to conquer the minds of their African slaves.

Even if slave trade wasn't illegal in the past, it has always been wrong and amoral and will always remain so.

The historical contributions of these religions, especially Christianity and Islam, and their gods to slavery should always be remembered.

These religions, which are mere political tools of mind control, have over time limited the growth and development of this planet.

While the African traditional religions have their numerous flaws, they're still the best choice for Africans that feel they can't do without a religion.

Any true son/daughter of the soil should take time to research the history of slavery and colonialism in Africa, especially the trans-atlantic slave trade and Arab slave trade and note how Christianity and Islam served as a key tool that helped European and Arab slave masters and colonialists successfully enslave their fellow humans (who they regarded as "properties" ).

If you're sensible as an African, you'd know those two religions are an existential threat to all that you hold dear (your family, culture, values, norms, traditions) as an African.

Due to these religions, Africans have lost most of their history, and their cultures have become weakened.

European and Arab slave masters and colonialists deliberately destroyed monuments and cultural sites in Africa to wipe out African history.

Christianity and Islam are mere elements of the European and Arabic cultures respectively. Nothing special in them.

Knowing African history as a (black) race and preserving it is crucial to our survival and development on this planet.

If you're too weak mentally and too unintelligent to learn and preserve your history and culture as a people, other peoples (cultures) that are mentally stronger than you will manufacture and rewrite your history for you and enslave you with it.

A people that don't know their history won't grow and develop because they'll always repeat the mistakes of the past, won't be able to learn from their past mistakes, and will soon become a dead/extinct people (culture).

Roland17:
I really wish people will remove personal bias when they read @A001’s submissions about Africa, philosophy, culture and religion.

It is okay to disagree with many of his positions, I don’t agree with some but it’s also okay to also accept many of his positions have substance and are well written.

To those who have been engaged in this slave and cultural debate over the last 2 days, I am reading intently and impressed by the content from you guys.

Thank you, bros. I appreciate your thoughtful posts on this thread and those of similar highly intelligent members such as Ibime, BlueRayDick, and others.

International Day for Remembrance of the Victims of Slavery and the Transatlantic Slave Trade

Some tragedies in human history are so monstrous, and of such magnitude, that we resolve to commemorate the victims every year – to show them the respect that was denied to them in their lifetimes, and to ensure that this will never happen again.

Today we remember over 15 million African women, men and children who suffered the horror of enslavement and the trans-Atlantic slave trade over a period of 400 years.

We honour the resilience of those who endured and pay tribute to the memory of those who lost their lives, as well as those who struggled for freedom and their determination to uphold the dignity and equality of all human beings.

This year’s observance, which takes place as we commemorate the 75th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, reminds us that despite years of work, racism – the ideology and harm that underpinned the trans-Atlantic slave trade – is still with us.

Racism marks out some people for lower-quality services, fewer opportunities, and pervasive, corrosive contempt. Racism brings exclusion, discrimination, hatred and conflict. And those who endure this racism, even today, are often descendants of those who suffered enslavement in the past.

Last month I undertook a visit to Haiti, a small country that played an immense role in ending the trans-Atlantic slave trade. At one point Haiti represented one third of the trans-Atlantic trade in enslaved Africans. It was also the location of the first massive revolt by enslaved people, demanding their fundamental rights as human beings. Toussaint Louverture, who was born a captive – enslaved from birth – led thousands of men and women in revolution, and won independence for his people.

Haiti is poor today, and its people suffer deeply from inequalities, underdevelopment and gang violence.

Many of these structural issues have roots in the exploitation and vicious harms perpetrated over generations during slavery.

But the people of Haiti are rich in culture, in ingenuity, in courage and in pride.

The history of slavery is a terrible reminder of inhuman suffering, injustice and loss. But it is also the story of a victorious struggle against oppression and for freedom – a quest to fulfil our universal human rights.

These rights are the founding principles of the United Nations, and they are the basis of sustainable development and peace. To meet the challenges that humanity faces today, we will need the free and full contributions of everyone. And that means fighting racism and the legacy of slavery, which is still at work all around us.

Racial discrimination is especially harmful to the women, men and children whose equality is denied, and whose rights are violated and blocked. But in a broader sense, racism damages us all. All of humanity is made poorer when groups of people are demeaned, dehumanised and held back from realising their full potential.

In this anniversary year of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, it is urgent that we renew our commitment to eliminating racism. And not just our commitment: our action.

So in 2023, how can we honour the memory of the victims of slavery and the Transatlantic Slave Trade? Working to dismantle its ideology of contempt and oppression, with effective implementation of strong policies and laws. Working to abolish its legacy of exploitation and structural inequalities – including in the use of human and natural resources, and between developed and developing countries.

And working to redress and correct its lasting consequences – including racist practises and policies in schools, law enforcement, health-care and employment.

On this day, I remember the millions of victims who were torn from their homes, sold and exploited. I honour their humanity.

Thank you

— António Guterres
https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2023/03/remembering-victims-trans-atlantic-slavery

Trevor012:
Preach.

While doing some reading on the trans-atlantic slave trade this evening, I just realized I don't know much about the Arab-Muslim slave trade.

This is a different topic entirely, and I'll be doing more research about it soon.

It appears the topic doesn't receive much media attention like the trans-atlantic slave trade.

DontBullshitMe:
Nice argument but you are forgetting an important point which is : Africans are poor and poor people usually don't have the abundance of choice or options when determining their way of life. Yeah, it's very good to have cultural and indigenous names but in a poor continent with limited economic opportunities, individuals must be careful not to take certain steps to sabotage themselves further.

I don't know where you live but I assure you that worldwide having a name easy to pronounce and remember can rapidly elevate a person's career and growth in the most unexpected way. So, as an African in a global economy, do not do yourself the damage of choosing a name that is hard to pronounce and hard to recognise. The opportunities are few, don't limit yourself further. For example, The lead actor in the recent HBO TV series The Last of Us, Pedro Pascal switched his surname to his mother's surname after he migrated to the USA and people began to experience difficulty calling him with his previous surname. Who knows he might not have become a popular actor if he didn't take that smart decision?

Of course, for a person in a country with a rapidly growing and industrialised economy, this might not be necessary as numerous economic opportunities will be readily available in their home country thus limiting the need to go extra mile to position themselves for opportunities.

Be pragmatic in your decision always. Even if you must give your children your cultural/indigenous name, choose the ones that are easily pronounced and recognised.

Once the name isn't too long, the rest doesn't really matter. If the gift is there, the rest is trivial.

Native names like Okonjo Iweala, Wole Soyinka, Fela Anikulapo, Chihua Achebe, and the likes all became popular abroad mainly because of the gift of the bearers.

For the average American or European, all these names aren't easy to pronounce. Of course, a Nigerian will find them easy to pronounce.

In spite of the difficulty in pronouncing them by foreigners, those people still became highly successful on the global stage.

If you're really gifted in your art or profession, the kind of native name you bear doesn't really matter once it's not too long.

For instance, I don't see how naming my child "Adekunle" (which can be easily shortened as "Kunle" or any of the common Yoruba names we see around) will limit how far they'll go in life.

The general problem that could limit the success of any African on the global stage is his race, and you can't really do anything about that even if you bear American, English names, or Arabic names.

If not, some footballers like Sallah, Austin J. J. Okocha, and those with similar foreign names would have gone much further in their career, be hyped a lot more by the Western media, and won much more awards and accolades.

Racism and white supremacy exist in all fields of the world including science, and bearing American or English names as a black doesn't solve the problem.

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Useless team. They only played well for the first 15 minutes of the game.

PDPGuy:

The team is playing well so far, creating chances.

Osimhen almost scored with a header

Tomorrow March 25 is the International Day of Remembrance of the Victims of Slavery and the Transatlantic Slave Trade. It's a United Nations international observance designated in 2007 to be marked on 25 March every year.

Between today and tomorrow, I'll be posting some contents on the history of the Transatlantic Slave Trade starting from the video below documenting the harrowing incident:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA58uQpbOf8

andrewbaba44:
Replica World Cup trophy egbon

Okay, egbon aburo

A001:
If you bear slave names and you're called a slave, no right thinking person should see that as an abuse.

I made this post and the fool dey quote me. So an African Muslim that bears "Abdul" an Arabic word that means "slave" in English is what if not a slave?

Only lunacy can cause this. The imbe created a thread in 2017 asking "why are black people obsessed with the Bible that was used to enslave them? "

Today, he's saying something different. When he wakes up tomorrow, his lunacy go make am change mouth again on some of the things he's saying here today.

There are Europeans (Muslims) that bear Arabic names. Also, there are Europeans (Christians) that bear Hebrew names.

How did those facts invalidate the assertion that it was the European and Arab trans-atlantic slave trade that brought the first set of European and Arab names into Africa?

Obviously, he doesn't know jack about the history of trans-Atlantic slave trade in Africa after all African history is useless.

Imbe

andrewbaba44:
Everyone and their replica

I love this celebration

Where you see "everyone and their replica" in that picture. Shey dem don dey clone humans for Argentina ni?

Some of the most vibrant, heavily funded ministries in Asian countries like China, India, Saudi Arabia are the ministry of culture.

The same thing applies to the European countries, American countries, and others.

But you'd find it difficult convincing the average African why the African cultures are key to the survival of the black race, things even kids know in other regions of the world.

They're just too dull.

BlaqFaze:
Dude doesn't care about his culture because he wants to be the owner of Lagos

Foolish guy. Lagos no get history now, and its land is available for him to claim.

Nostradamus1:
Technically, they are not Hebrew names but have Hebrew Origins.

You have a good submission, don't let him wiggle himself out. Last time I discussed with him, I found out that Russia is not sovereign

Make your own submission about why African history is useless and why African cultures should be abolished.

If I ask you to quote where I said Russia isn't sovereign now, you'd disappear. Empty brain.

There are many imbes like you on Nairaland which is a forum known for its low quality of engagement.

"African history is useless and has no value. Africans should abolish their cultures and adopt the English culture."

This is what you call a submission.

Both of you have empty brains.

The first European and Arabic names made their way into Africa through the trans-Atlantic slave trade. The first Africans that bore the European and Arabic names you see today were slaves.

Nothing dey una head except silly propaganda. And they are even trying foolishly to wipe away African history.

If you believe the first people that bear names like Michael, James, and the likes in Europe were slaves, present your evidence (I don't know where you want to find it).

This one calls himself an intellectual but he's committing a fallacy of false equivalence all about.

The dimwit can narrate the history of the US from the period the Britons moved to the land to the most recent time but know next to nothing about the history of his home town and the Ibo culture, which he says is useless and barbaric.

I'd ignore any unnecessary mention on this topic. I'm not here to be discussing moronic takes like "African history is useless".

This one don kolo. This is the same clown that rates the fraud called Havertz over Mbappe.

Tuchel keeps moving forward in his career while haters like you keep hating on Nairaland. Lols

Donjazet2:
Europeans bear names like David, Paul, saul, Moses, Mary. Now these are names are Hebrew names, not English or European in origin.

So are the Europeans who bear these names slaves to the Hebrews?

I'm not in for your silly questions this morning. Stop mentioning me anyhow. First educate yourself about the history of colonialism and slavery in Africa and how the first European and Arabic names made their way into Africa before committing the fallacy of false equivalence.

Apt.

A001:
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DECOLONIZATION OF AFRICAN NAMES

"Names are marks of cultural identity. One's name identify where one comes from, the language one speaks and who one is. This is why Europeans have European names, Arabs have Arabic names.

Likewise, Africans have African names. Before the invasion of Africa by Europeans and Arabs with Christianity and Islam, Africans named their children with African names. In Africa, names are significant.

Names are not given any how. African names have special meanings. Africans give their children names based on events and circumstances that surround their births.

During slavery, African slaves were forcefully christened European names during baptism into Christianity while Moslem slaves were given Arabic names - names that DO NOT HAVE MEANING to Africans.

This is still being practised among African Christians and Muslims today.

Christianity and Islam were brought to obliterate African culture and one of the means of doing that is to give Africans Christian and Islamic names. Christianity came with European culture while Islam came with Arabic culture.

Religion is an instrument of cultural war. This is why African men and women who get converted to Christianity and Islam are given Christian or Islamic names.

European and Arab names are slave names. They remain the indelible marks of slavery because it was during slavery that Africans were forced to take foreign names.

In 1969, while in Los Angeles to tour and record Koola Lobitos, Fela dropped his given middle name of "Ransome" which he said was a SLAVE NAME, and took the name "Anikulapo" (meaning "he who carries death in his pouch).

A slave name according to Wikipedia is 'the personal name given by others to an enslaved person, or a name inherited from enslaved ancestors.'

In the 1960s Africans in the diaspora in the Americas who were seeking a reconnection to their African cultural roots changed their slave names and took African names.

Similarly, the descendants of Muslim Arab and Christian Europeans living in Africa have Arabic and European names which shows their roots. Our tribal names are our identity.

We must not allow them to be taken away from us. Let's give our children names in our languages in order to preserve our identity. For a man without an identity is like a tortoise 🐢 without a shell"

-- Afrikan Native via FB

If you bear slave names and you're called a slave, no right thinking person should see that as an abuse.

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DECOLONIZATION OF AFRICAN NAMES

"Names are marks of cultural identity. One's name identify where one comes from, the language one speaks and who one is. This is why Europeans have European names, Arabs have Arabic names.

Likewise, Africans have African names. Before the invasion of Africa by Europeans and Arabs with Christianity and Islam, Africans named their children with African names. In Africa, names are significant.

Names are not given any how. African names have special meanings. Africans give their children names based on events and circumstances that surround their births.

During slavery, African slaves were forcefully christened European names during baptism into Christianity while Moslem slaves were given Arabic names - names that DO NOT HAVE MEANING to Africans.

This is still being practised among African Christians and Muslims today.

Christianity and Islam were brought to obliterate African culture and one of the means of doing that is to give Africans Christian and Islamic names. Christianity came with European culture while Islam came with Arabic culture.

Religion is an instrument of cultural war. This is why African men and women who get converted to Christianity and Islam are given Christian or Islamic names.

European and Arab names are slave names. They remain the indelible marks of slavery because it was during slavery that Africans were forced to take foreign names.

In 1969, while in Los Angeles to tour and record Koola Lobitos, Fela dropped his given middle name of "Ransome" which he said was a SLAVE NAME, and took the name "Anikulapo" (meaning "he who carries death in his pouch).

A slave name according to Wikipedia is 'the personal name given by others to an enslaved person, or a name inherited from enslaved ancestors.'

In the 1960s Africans in the diaspora in the Americas who were seeking a reconnection to their African cultural roots changed their slave names and took African names.

Similarly, the descendants of Muslim Arab and Christian Europeans living in Africa have Arabic and European names which shows their roots. Our tribal names are our identity.

We must not allow them to be taken away from us. Let's give our children names in our languages in order to preserve our identity. For a man without an identity is like a tortoise 🐢 without a shell"

-- Afrikan Native via FB

Some of us here don dey support Chelsea before you know what's called Nairaland.

Sportsweb:
Bayern board had to sack Nagglesman because he wasn't farming well in the Bundesliga. They expect similar point gap like Napoli in the Serie A.

I feel he's actually a good coach.