Obere4u: Nobody is saying that a defender didn't deserve it... Have VVD done half of what Ramos did with Madrid in LA Decima? VVD is good but was he any better than De Light last season?
To me it's either Ronaldo or Messi and I will give to Messi
Abeg leave that craze man let him be fellating nonsense. That's the biggest problem with all these polling booth awards. They are never consistent. Did Van Dijk do what Ramos did? Defending and going forward to score. Never mind VVD who had the likes of Allison,TAA and Robertson to lean on
When you're saying something intelligent it would sound like rubbish to a village idiot like Airmark
airmark: From goal output, you moved the post to assists now. You had to start telling foolish story about not being a big game ghost. Mr. man tell me where those assists and ghost nonsense came from, in your lines below.
You're an irredeemable Muppet. I have shown you that where Ribery did not score he provided assists and made some kind of difference making contribution like winning a penalty in 2012 Final which Robben missed.
What did Hazard contribute from open play whether goal or assists in his 7 seasons at Chelsea.
Ribery's prime at Bayern ended after 2013-2014 season and in his useful seasons he was still able to contribute 17 goals from open play.
You friggin donkey, don't you dare compare and attach him to your unproductive Europa league merchant Hidden Shakushaku who's level is Europa and has been duly recognized as such
raumdeuter: FC Bayern announce that Oliver Kahn has been appointed in the board of directors on a 5-year contract starting from 1 January 2020. Kahn will then take over from Karl-Heinz Rummenigge as CEO in January 2022
So the rumors were true. Kahn is definitely an interesting choice and hopefully a competent one that won't leave us scratching our heads like Brazzo seems to be doing at times
airmark: You can't stop making reckless statements. Didn't your team win UCL when Ribery only scored a goal in 12 matches?
You are obtuse. Ribery was never a big game ghost like your Hidden Shakushaku
Ribery provided two assists in the CL Final and has scored in a CL semi and quarterfinal as well. While your Shakushaku has never scored from open play from the CL quarterfinal onwards. Shior
airmark: So those on ground were so superb that Liverpool broke world record on a defender that year. G You claimed he was overhyped. Let other defenders be hyped too and beat Messi and Ronaldo to awards if it's easy. Vvd must be having another attractive skill apart from football's then.
How exceptional was Aribisala when you broke transfer record for him? The market is the market Baba
The truth is these polling booth awards are never consistent. Their criteria and goalpost shifts from year to year
hensben: So you know chelsea defenders are rubbish yet you want Hazard to win ucl with such. Pick a struggle
Lool this guy is obviously drunk. Were Chelsea defenders rubbish when he joined?
Your Hazard spent 7 years at Chelsea and only managed 4 goals from open play. You can never win UCL with such rubbish output even if your defense has Beckenbauer, Baresi, Maldini and Cafu with Sepp Maier in goal
airmark: Tunfulu, were those best goalkeeper and two elite fullbacks not there in November, when you were running your mouth loosely? You want to shift post like your mentor, but you have a fido dido stature, unlike raumdeuter.
You dolt asked for trophy, he delivered. Best CB after the season, he delivered. Must he deliver a hot slap on your stinking mouth before you fvck off?
Nwanne, comot for my circumference. If you thought VVD would sniff Balon D'or shortlist if he joined Chelsea then I must tell you you're very sick in the head.
Don't forget all this banter arose from your endless whining about Chelsea not signing VVD.
airmark: You have started running your mouth as usual. Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. We saw how Liverpool destroyed your team, in front of your fans, a la Chelsea.
Don't blame coach for your team with no top quality players, when they get outclassed by an epl team again.
Elejo wewe just shut up! Before the draw Liverpool were the team all Bayern fans were hoping to avoid.
I don't know why you have and can never resist the urge to always jump in foolishly into wetin no concern you at all
We made just 1 major signing last season and had arugbo ojo Ribery and Robben still in the squad. Kovac deserves the sack if he cannot top phuckin Tottenham with the signings the club has given him this year
airmark: You asked if they gave best CB award in November 2018, shameless thing.
Was that not a valid question you shyte eating nincompoop.
You think Van Dijk would have won pako if he played with your rubbish defense? He's lucky he joined a team with the best goalkeeper on the planet and two elite fullbacks that allowed Van Dijk's performance to be elevated and overrated
SmooshCHN: Life just keeps getting hard for DeMarcus. Torn ACL Got married to his long time friend, Baby mama refused to allow his son attend his wedding, He threatened to shoot her, Now an arrest warrant has been issued on domestic violence charge.
"Leave these Hoes", they'll never listen.
Boogie is also to blame here for not keeping his temper in check. You're asking for trouble the minute you start launching death threats and also jeopardizing your future in the league with this kind of behavior
airmark: I always warned you dolt, but you wouldn't listen when making reckless statements up and down.
Are we still in November? Has he not won the most glamorous club trophy now?
He won UCL and became the best player in Europe, as a defender. If you have shame, your head is supposed to be buried under raumdeuter's armpit by now.
Shut up you sodomite. Van Dijk has merely benefited from being surrounded by a world class goalkeeper and two of arguably the best full backs in World football.
He would never have improved Chelsea without the defensive talent available at Liverpool that has been underrated. Since Allison's injury Liverpool can't even keep a clean sheet
raumdeuter: I think on Wednesday there is usually Rothmans of Pall Mall soccer show at 10 after network news. Normall the CL final will be like 7:45PM, So they usually show the recorded Champions League then
I think 1997 final was shown live on either DBN or Clapperboard. Those channels that you will have to be turning your antenna 720degrees to see any image
Even NTA used to show these Finals live before. I don't know how they just went to shyte. I do recall the first CL Final I watched live was Ajax vs Milan. Rijkaard's Final game
They showed pretty much almost all the games of USA 94 and Euro 96 live too.
airmark: When Bayern won Ucl, na Akpeyi dey behind Boathand, wey make am no win this same polling booth award? You can spew rubbish with vigour sha.
I will arrange a big container for you to cry into. Ajakaja40.
Ribery as a forward won the award but if you ask 10 football fans who deserved it you could get many different answers. And therein lies the issue with polling booth awards. This is what I will keep pointing out to a daft mofo like you.
Van Dijk was infinitely fortunate to have guys like Allison covering his yansh at the back. We have seen him at Holland where ordinary Gnabry was turning his intestines and now since Allison injury Van Dijk cannot buy a clean sheet
raumdeuter: He doesnt appear to know what he is doing or what he is trying to implement and the longer he stays the more time he wastes of those players career
In the same vein I'd hate for us to be doing hire and fire like Chelsea. I wouldn't mind if he's giving a stay of execution and a clear mandate to get Bayern to at least the semifinals of the CL.
Unlike last season this year we have made a decent amount of reinforcements and so Kovac has no excuse not to deliver. I don't even care for the league Dortmund can have that. My full attention is on Europe
The Ororo vs De Lima argument is almost like the Brady vs Rodgers debate. One is more naturally gifted while the other maximized what he had and became greater
I personally would take Ororo but if you choose De Lima I won't argue with you (5 years ago I would not have entertained this debate because I watched Fenomeno on a weekly basis and he was electrifying)
I like that the coach brought in some fresh blood as it can be argued the squad was getting rather stale.
The issue is these new guys he is bringing on board some like steady has mentioned are and were not exactly lighting it up for their teams. With the NBA ones bar Okojie on the extreme end of the bench.
There's enough to get past that group anyway. Not advancing past would be failure IMO
afrodoc2: Yeah that might be his problem. He looks and talks tough but he is a bit of a softie. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Steelers but at a point in time one has to expect more than just winning seasons based on the wealth of talent he has had at his disposal.
I think you have to consider firstly his relative youth. It's harder to be pulling a Bill Belichick when as at when he became coach he was almost agemates with the older players and even this present generation of players will likely see him more like your cool uncle than a coach thanks to his personality
You must also understand that as a black coach in this league he will not have the kind of cache. Look around the league and consider that apart from Tony Dungy and Marvin Lewis in league history you cannot point to another black that has been able to lead a team for over a decade. You cannot be applying the hard line stance on all issues because if it backfires and you lose your job your chances of becoming head coach again are next to nil
I will also agree he needs to do better and losing to the Jaguars, Broncos and events of last season are definitely a black eye in his tenure as HC. However the perspective for me is barring the Patriots who it must be said enjoy the luxury of a relatively weaker division, no other team can really say they have done better than Tomlin
Ibime: What is this one saying? Ronaldo 1990s form was above any height Zidane and Ronaldinho reached. Good grief.
BTW, Totti never competed on Ronaldinho level. When Totti was in his prime, he was never in contention on World level. Ronaldinho and co saw competition in Sheva, Lampard, Gerrard,.Kaka et al who ran the 2000s, not no Totti. God forbid, I would be the no10 in a World Cup winning side and they totally overlook me and crown a bloody centre back like Cannavaro with no mention of my name.
Totti was a local champion during the decline of Serie.A. The height of SerieA was late 80s to late 90s. Serie A were whipping boys in 2000s with the exception of Milan.
We can smell your inexperience,.and know that you missed the 1990s from this post. Being close to Ronaldo in the late 90s is the closest thing to God level.
This is not dem say, dem say. DelPiero played with Zidane throughout late 90s and Zidane was 2nd fiddle to DelPiero throughout.
Young niggas/ God keep me from.these young niggas/ Not the smart ones Lord, just the. . . .
Kimbeast: Totti’s career can be split into two parts, before ankle injury (1993-2005) and after injury (2006-2017). He clearly was never the same player after, he changed from a world class 10 into a good forward.
Like Ibime has rightly pointed out to you. Del Piero's prime was at a time when Serie A was in it's Golden Age. When Inter was loaded and Milan were relevant both home and abroad. 23 year old Del Piero was already in Balon D'or picture and to an extent led or was an important contributor to Juventus getting to 3 straight CL Finals. All at 23!!!
Kimbeast: Totti From 2000-2004 was as good as any other player on the planet. Madrid went for him twice but he refused. Del Piero at his best was nearly as good as Ronaldo. Totti was right up there with Zidane and Dinho during those period. Del Piero was simply not as gifted, nor was his peak anywhere near as long, as Totti's. He was a star man in vastly superior sides though. Totti carried Roma to a league title in 2001, and came within only 1 point of Juventus in 2002. Then he carried a relatively poor Roma side to another title challenge in 2004. This was around the time when Serie A was arguably the best league in the world.
Totti right up there with Zidane and Dinho?? This has to be a joke surely.
Carried Roma indeed. Where did you throw Batistuta? That Roma squad were not a squad of bums like you're trying to paint here
Did you really just say 00/01? Seems you have forgotten Roma had Angel Gabriel. Gabriel Batistuta in Roma's title winning season where he dropped 20 goals. Vincenzo Montella was also on that team. What are you talking about?
And that 01/02 season you speak of. Totti missed 10 games. His total contributions were 8 goals and 1 assist. So I would like you to explain how a player who only scored 8 out of his team's 58 goals and created just 1 assist can be said to have carried the team.
And sorry but by the early noughties La Liga had already overtaken Serie A as the strongest league in Europe.
Kimbeast: The one big criticism of Totti was his inconsistent international career even at that he is still a superior player to Del piero who was lucky to have played in a world class team
Fa fa fa foul. Roma had a decent squad and were not nearly as bad as you are trying to claim. It could even be argued that Roma underachieved based on the talent available.
Del Piero on the other hand played key roles in all his team's successes and in his prime led Juve to the top of European football. This dwarfs any achievements of Totti
Roland17: I am going to end my own argument by stating that the 98/99 cruciate ligament rupture that is being used to make excuses for Del Piero is the same cruciate ligament injury Totti suffered in 07/08. Guess what? They suffered the injury on the same knee, with Totti's even more severe but somehow Totti rehabbed better and spent 112 days while Del Piero spent 234 days. So what is the excuse now?
Speaking about injuries, Del Piero spent 316 days injured in comparison to Totti who spent 583 injured and out of the game. Totti suffered more injuries on different parts of his body in comparison to Del Piero whose injury history is limited.
I can not continue to argue based on subjective points only when they favor Del Piero.
Great debate @A40, you always have my respect baba.
It's all good bruv. And vice versa at all times.
The purpose of debate is to try to diminish the opposing person's feat as much as you can within legal limits.
So even you yourself admit Del Piero required more time to rehab which means perhaps what he was dealing with transcended Totti's situation. People recover differently and it's not all players that return to the same levels they were before.
There is also a massive time lapse/vacuum in that your list. Unless you're telling me Del Piero did not miss any time through injury for 11 straight seasons then some thing is not quite right with that your list
My point is the height of Del Piero and the little he was able to accomplish after shows that no thanks to injury we would never be able to know just how good he could have been but still he did enough to outrank Totti
Kimbeast: Then explain how he went from a young baggio heir to Prime Rooney in just one summer?
I'm sure it's dope that aids your ability to deliver dead balls and dribble as well. I don't know where you got this from but by arguing with you about it I'm already doing Del P a disservice. So I will stop