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snakova: shiite

.....obviously.
They make it imperative to cry and hurt themselves for Hussein but I wonder how many times they shed tears from the remembrance of Allah. May Allah show us the right path.

Ashura is on thursday and one is expected to fast on that day and a day before or a day after i.e Wednesday & Thursday or Thursday and Friday.

If there is no source for this, then it is no news.

Swagalord18: My name is bond ...i'm 26 ..i hails from delta, udu....i can speak english and igbo very fluent,...i can speak yoruba and hausa, but not fluenter like i speaks english but urhobo my language ...still sound like gibberish to me , ..is it too late for me to learns it?, or can i still be fluented in it? ....advices me please

If you can speak four languages, then you are intelligent enough to learn another one. Spend more time with your people and develop interest in their language.
That's all!

^^^ My previous comment still answers you.

tbaba12345: Whatever the reasons for putting the clause. There is nothing wrong with it given the fact that polygyny is a choice not fard. The Job is a choice not fard. It is all within your hands. Linking it to the fall of the empire is ridiculous.

Read through the stories of the wives of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). It is normal for a woman to be jealous. So a man has to manage his home well. It is not a matter of faith that a woman does not want to share her husband. Let us not make it that.

It is however a matter of faith when a man fails to fulfill his obligations in a polygamous home because Allah require it from him.

Yes brother but I believe that there is something wrong with that clause if you view it through the Shariah or don't you think?

0monnakoda: You supplied a quote from the Quran above using " ". This turns out to be false instead of apologizing for that you continue to dissemble like a politician. Guess what? YOU ARE A LIAR because rather than admit your error you continue to spew rubbish. The Quran explicitly says it makes NO DISTINCTION between prophets i. Abraham,Moses, Jesus ,Muhammad etc. e.g 3.84, 2.285


It also tells us that Muhammad is a good example.


Abraham was a good example as was Moses and Jesus etc. They were ALL good examples.

Where then does perfection come from.
I have absolutely no respect for liars and have no respect for you.
You said ;
'In the Prophet is a perfect exemplar. Even Allah says that in the holy Qur'an"
Does Allah say this?'

YOU ARE A LIAR


Sura16.116 .................................Lo! those who invent a lie against Allah will not succeed.

If wearing short trousers was so important it would appear in the Quran. It does not and so all those tales are false.

My simple advice to you is you should talk less and read more.Study the Quran by yourself.

*My quote is not false.

*There is no distinction among the prophets and that is why you don't read us insulting other prophets just to make Mohammad SAW look good. We don't have to follow the other prophets because they had their own Ummah who followed them but we are Mohammad's Ummah and we will follow him to the letter. Moreover, Allah says that he is a perfect example to be emulated Therefore, his examples are sufficient for us.

*If I should start to elaborate on the trousers issue, deols may delete my comment for derailing......she's being overly suspicious of comments nowadays and I don't know why. In a nutshell, Allah didn't have to mention it since He had ordered us to obey the prophet who in his jurisdiction, beseeched us to shorten our garments.

*I should read more than I talk? Brother, that is what I do. Someone who yearns to learn like me doesn't talk much lest he deprives himself of invaluable islamic knowledge.

PS: I'm yet to fathom why you got angry over this issue. I choose to follow Mohammad's teachings which you think is wrong. I showed you where we were instructed to do so in the Qur'an and you are yet to be satisfied. I am not here to earn your respect sir but to do my duty as a Muslim in spreading the words of Islam.
Thank you.

0monnakoda: I beg you to show me where in the Quran Allah says this? It would appear that you are prepared to even LIE AGAINST ALLAH just to win an argument
Unfortunately many so called muslims know the Quran by Hearsay and Rumor and have NEVER READ IT themselves.What the Quran says is that he is a "good example" NOT "best example" and CERTAINLY not "perfect" example.

33.21 Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much.

How any one can stretch this words to mean people should wear short trousers or whatever is a total mystery

Alhamdulillahi that you have found the verse yourself after you disputed its existence. I see that you have issues with the word 'perfect' now. Well, scholars have used the words 'perfect', 'good', 'excellent' amongst others and I do not see why you should have a problem with that. Will it make any difference if I substitute the word perfect with excellent? The bottom line is that he is the best example of a human being to follow.

About wearing one's garment above the ankle, these are the proofs;

Al-Bukhaari reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whatever of the izaar (lower garment) below the ankles is in the Fire." (al-Bukhaari, no. 5787)


The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "There are three whom Allaah will not look at or praise on the Day of Judgement and theirs will be a painful punishment: the one who wears his garment below his ankles, the one who reminds others of his favours, and the one who sells his product by means of making false oaths" (reported by Muslim, no. 106)


Hudhayfah said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) took hold of the muscle of my calf (or his calf) and said, ‘This is where the izaar should stop; if you insist, it may be lower, but it should not reach the ankles.’" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, who said this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth)

0monnakoda: I beg you to show me where in the Quran Allah says this? It would appear that you are prepared to even LIE AGAINST ALLAH just to win an argument
Unfortunately many so called muslims know the Quran by Hearsay and Rumor and have NEVER READ IT themselves.What the Quran says is that he is a "good example" NOT "best example" and CERTAINLY not "perfect" example.

33.21 Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much.

How any one can stretch this words to mean people should wear short trousers or whatever is a total mystery

Alhamdulillahi that you have found the verse yourself after you disputed its existence. I see that you have issues with the word 'perfect' now. Well, scholars have used the words 'perfect', 'good', 'excellent' amongst others and I do not see why you should have a problem with that. Will it make any difference if I substitute the word perfect with excellent? The bottom line is that he is the best example of a human being to follow.

About wearing one's garment above the ankle, these are the proofs;

Al-Bukhaari reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whatever of the izaar (lower garment) below the ankles is in the Fire." (al-Bukhaari, no. 5787)


The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "There are three whom Allaah will not look at or praise on the Day of Judgement and theirs will be a painful punishment: the one who wears his garment below his ankles, the one who reminds others of his favours, and the one who sells his product by means of making false oaths" (reported by Muslim, no. 106)


Hudhayfah said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) took hold of the muscle of my calf (or his calf) and said, ‘This is where the izaar should stop; if you insist, it may be lower, but it should not reach the ankles.’" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, who said this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth)

Jazakumullahu khair. May Allah make it easy for us.

0monnakoda:

You have not said anything to show where the prophet suggested the practise should continue for ever. Contrast this with the practise of Killing Rams at Id el Adha

Brother, there is nothing to contrast. The prophet's SAW words were unequivocal. These are what he said about what you should do when you see an eclipse: "When you see them (the eclipses) make haste for the prayer.” He obviously knew that there will occur more occurrences of such event and he enjoined them to pray whenever it happened.....the act is continuous.

The context on that occasion was his son died and people superstitiously believed the eclipse was related to that so he guided them. That does not mean prayers should be offered EVERY time there is an Eclipse or Thunder or Earthquakeor Rainfall or other NATURAL PHENOMENA with simple explanations

If he never wanted us to continue it in a traditional way, he wouldn't have made that statement that we should hasten to prayer whenever (which means any other time) an eclipse occurs.

It is not everything the prophet did that must be copied.

'In the Prophet is a perfect exemplar'. Even Allah says that in the holy Qur'an, now tell me why I should not copy him in everything again. Moreover, the Prophet would not do some things because he felt that people would deem them religious and would probably turn it to a habit. He was very careful and never led his followers astray through his actions. The rightly guided Caliphs, to whom paradise were promised copied him so there is nothing wrong in copying him. Who do I copy? Goodluck Jonathan?

Much of what he did was based on CULTURE of ARABS and the AVAILABLE TECHNOLOGY at that time and not ISLAM.

No sir, most of what he did were influenced by Islam and not the Arab culture. In fact, with the advent of Islam, the Arab culture had to take a back seat.
Arabs enslaved women, he liberated them;
Arabs enslaved men, he liberated them;
Arabs killed baby girls; he saved them;
Arabs drank to stupor; he made them sober;
Arabs were polytheist, he led them to Allah......etc.

We cannot say his use of Camels or Horses or Sword Instead of Bikes or guns or bombs was in anyway religious

Definitely, that is why Muslims want to make their own weapons and build their own nuclear bombs. Nobody has made it compulsory to fight with the same weapon as the prophet or ride the same animals with prophet. Even the prophet prophesied a change in the things men will ride in later times and he never discouraged us from riding them.

The other issue of Perfection is this: Did the prophet have a FAVOURITE WIFE and what did he preach on this subject

No doubt, he loved Khadijah. And you know what, none of his wives knew that until he was asked by the curious one.
Even Aisha was believed to be more loved than others by his wives but that was because they were women and it was a big deal for them to guess how much they were loved.
As a human being, you are prone to loving one thing more than the other but the key is to treat them equally so that it is not visible. So, all I can say is that he treated his wives equally just like he preached.

tbaba1234: On ayatul kursi or another surah/ayah?

If you have more on other Surahs, it will be great.

Leyelyzo: @ OP, Jazakumullahu khairan, noted!

Masha'Allah.

0monnakoda: The So called Sunnah are often lies the Quran is the only authority. Anyway can you quote the SUnnah on the Eclipse so we can examine whether the Prophet actually encouraged ALL MUSLIMS TO DO SO FOREVER. If the Prophet encouraged people to write with pens that does not mean they should not adopt computers.

So we must ask WHY did the Prophet do that..WHAT IS THE REASON . It is only when we know the reason we can determine whather this was something that was encouraged for ONE PARTICULAR YEAR or FOR EVER. Many things in the QURAN have a CONTEXT and if readers do not know the context they assume it is an eternal doctrine or injunction.This is wrong.

With regard to the Prophet being a perfect exemplar again WHAT DOES THIS MEAN EXACTLY ? That the prophet is not a man? the same Quran tells us man is not perfect. Anyway we must still THINK and not follow WORDS blindly


I also read in the same Quran

Sura 66.
O Prophet! Why bannest thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives?

What is the context of this verse. Does this imply PERFECTION.
Even if it does, the prophet married more than ONE woman does he advise ALL Muslims to do the same.
At some point he married a girl who was a child. Are we to coclude that those who don't marry children are bad muslims or that they gave GONE ASTRAY as someone seems to be suggesting.?
The Prophet advised his followers to capture women/slaves etc as bounty as was the practice then are you suggesting a muslim is not a good muslim if he does not go out capturing women or slaves?

One Problem Christianity had in its early days was its adherents insisted on the LITERAL TRUTH of everything and this naturally led to conflict. Eventually it had to reform, a very painful process both for Christianity and Society.

Eventually Islam will have to do ths same and confront several inconsistencies in the Quran that are just no longer acceptable e.g ideas of women's inferiority,notions that "menstruation is a disease",intolerance of other religions, The idea that the earth and man are at the centre or the most important part of the Universe, The Quran claims the moon is a "light" we know that the moon is no more a light than the Earth is(The moon has no light), Violent punishments like stoning and amputations to name a few. Christianity and Islam can bury their heads i the sand and refuse to face scientific reality but mankind is moving on. Man and the earth re a relatively inconsequential part of an inconsequential part of the universe



My Point is if the prophet climbed a tree in his life time should we ask why he climbed a tree or then conclude there is religious benefit in climbing trees.
Some people it would seem reason along the lines" if he climbed an olive tree then we must not climb mango trees"

The hadith are filtered. What we follow in the practises of the prophet are from the sound hadith.

About where the prophet encouraged this prayer, check the post that started this thread and you'll see: '(After the prayer) he stood up, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then said, “The sun and the moon are two of the signs of Allah. They do not eclipse because of the death or the life (i.e. birth) of someone. When you see them make haste for the prayer.”

The prophet was not perfect for he was human and that is why he was always called out whenever he wanted to commit errors hence the need for Allah to reveal the verse you quoted.

Like I said before, Muslims improvise and grow with science as long as it doesn't go against our creed. A pen is halal but it can be used to draw pornographic pictures which is haram. Do we throw away the pen because of that? NO! Same goes for a computer. These materials are allowed for they do not do bad unless they are used in a bad way and their users will be responsible.

If the prophet climbed an olive tree then we must not climb a mango tree......this, my brother is not true.

lanrexlan: Ask google

Lol.

0monnakoda: There may be benefit in using oil lamps but I think electric lamps are more beneficial. Without being boastful I can say I have read the Quran and there is no injunction for any special observance of eclipses. NONE

Oh, I see where you are coming from. From the Sunnah, the prophet (SAW) prayed when there was an eclipse and he encouraged us to do so. In the Qur'an, you must have read where Allah says, '....in the prophet is a perfect exemplar. Therefore we follow his examples as much as we can. The lamp similitude you posted does not go with the discussion but there is nothing wrong in Muslims improvising as long as it does not affect the creeds of Islam.
The same sun and moon that caused the eclipse during the prophet's time are still the ones expected to cause the next one and the same prayer is going to be said - this is standard - any change would affect the creeds of Islam and how we relate with Allah but not so the lamp case.

vedaxcool: Why are Nlanders feeling so sour about this lady's decision? Abi na your life? She is no do christian anymore, end of story, QED, EOD.

They really surprised me. Their Pastors won't be getting tithes from someone again...it can be painful you know.

NO LONG TIN: Once in a while, we hear Christians converting to Islam (sometimes forcefully), but Muslims that convert to Christianity are afraid to do so publicly for fear of their lives.

Personally, i don't/can't see any reason why a christian will convert to Islam...... well its her (personal) decision

Liar! You claim Muslims who convert to Christianity don't declare it in public. I can't count how many times Tunde Bakare has said it, what about Oyedepo? Oh....we have T.B Joshua too amongst others. It is a well known fact to us that the churches in Nigeria have so many brothers who bear Ahmad, Jaleel, Habib and their first line when they preach to you is, 'I was once a Muslim'. Infact a chunk of Christians in the Southwest were formally Muslims or their parents were. I still wonder why they are still alive if truly we kill them for their conversions?

Please write me another lie for this one is too blatant.

klax: Bro di you read what she said well enough or you are a bit not feeling well and need doctor help

Listen and listen she said she is half Christain and half Muslim and she has a passion for Islam and she opted for her mum religion after her father died please what does those "who who went astray" need to do with this or what is the connection with this no "senseless" statement you have wrote?

You better wake up and as a matter of fact she should not even use her old name again even in movie orelse she is a bloody hypocrite beside I dont even why this post make front page because its nobody headache and I dont give a damn if she convert to Buddhist or Hindu it is her f u cking headsore nobody cares.

...at least you have let out your anger. Remember to take some Valium tablets so that you can sleep well tonight, is there one for relaxation too? You'll need it. By the way, I am not the reason she converted so please do not direct your anger at me.

opylas: Used to b a muslim too, I was lost but found. My pa is stil an Alhaji, I pray daily 4 him to b found as well.

You stopped worshiping your creator and started worshiping the created. You are the one who needs to be found bro.

gentle12: No wonder they call you ''Lost Sheep of Israel'' truly you are not wiser than a Sheep.The Religion that differs in thoughts ,believe,ideology,worship,and faith from one denomination to another.The religion that encourage you to use the toilet and paper clean your ass,the religion that permits you praying after conjugal act with your spouse without any form of purification,the religion that makes the Shepherd king and the majority Sheep slaves,the religion that permits at the topmost level the ordination of Gays and lesbianism and the religion where one church member will not enter or worship in another church:because their gods differs.
Al'hamdullilah I am a Muslim and I shall die a Muslim- inshah'llah

Masha'Allah

Cahmegga: The last prophet of God, Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W) said in his last sermon...

"I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray"

So, we muslims do not want to go astray, so we follow his teachings and actions...u may not know how helpful thses actions are to a muslim until u become a muslim yourself.

All the time, Allah knows best!

Most people judge Islam from afar and from what they are told by other people who are ignorant of the religion. You cannot pretend to know Islam more than Muslims. There is benefit in what the prophet encouraged and practised and it doesn't harm us if we try to follow him. Any Muslim who has the time to observe this solat should do so wholeheartedly.

golpen: They will never do it for the sake of other sects if they don't stand to gain. Not even when the implementation doesn't affect them in any way. An example is hijab. Imagine this same britain are planning to ban the use and want to benefit from the islamic business system.

I get your point. They see this as business rather and will definitely separate it from religion. They've been doing it for long - adopting systems from Islam bit by bit. I just hope that in no time insha'Allah, they will adopt the whole system.

deols: Summary- Two rakaah of prayer when the eclipse happens.

deols: Summary- Two rakaah of prayer when the eclipse happens.

Yes

May Allah always keep her in Islam and make those who are astray see the truth and accept Islam.

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The prayers for a lunar eclipse and a solar eclipse is the same. It’s important to pray this in congregation, although praying alone is permissible too. The importance is because the Prophet (peace be upon him) instructed us to remember Allah and invoke Allah during this time, and this was also a time when the Prophet (peace be upon him) was afraid of what was to come.

Narrated `Abdullah bin `Amr : “When the sun eclipsed in the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle an announcement was made that a prayer was to be offered in congregation.” [Bukhari, 2.155]

Hadith about the eclipse prayer: Narrated `Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) In the lifetime of the Prophet the sun eclipsed and he went to the Mosque and the people aligned behind him. He said the Takbir (starting the prayer) and prolonged the recitation (from the Qur’an) and then said Takbir and performed a prolonged bowing; then he (lifted his head and) said, “Sami allahu liman hamidah” (Allah heard him who sent his praises to Him). He then did not prostrate but stood up and recited a prolonged recitation which was shorter than the first recitation. He again said Takbir and then bowed a prolonged bowing but shorter than the first one and then said, “Sami`a l-lahu Lyman hamidah Rabbana walak-lhamd, (Allah heard him who sent his praises to Him. O our Sustainer! All the praises are for You)” and then prostrated and did the same in the second rak`a; thus he completed four bowing and four prostrations. The sun (eclipse) had cleared before he finished the prayer. (After the prayer) he stood up, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then said, “The sun and the moon are two of the signs of Allah. They do not eclipse because of the death or the life (i.e. birth) of someone. When you see them make haste for the prayer.”

Narrated Az-Zuhri: I said to ‘Urwa, “When the sun eclipsed at Medina your brother (`Abdullah bin Az-Zubair) offered only a two-rak`at prayer like that of the morning (Fajr) prayer.” ‘Ursa replied, “Yes, for he missed the Prophet’s tradition (concerning this matter).” [Bukhari, 2.156]

Narrated `Abdullah bin `Amr When the sun eclipsed in the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle and an announcement was made that the prayer was to be held in congregation. The Prophet performed two bowing in one rak`a. Then he stood up and performed two bowing in one rak`a. Then he sat down and finished the prayer; and by then the (eclipse) had cleared `Aisha said, “I had never performed such a long prostration.” [Bukhari, 2.160]

Culled from the Facebook page of 'I'm a Muslim & I'm proud.'

golpen: Yes they'll want to tap - in as much as it favours them. Very selfish set of people!...

At least they have seen the advantages and want to gain from it.To me, it is a nice development.

Logicbwoy: So that I will be banned on a frivolous ground of "derailing" that other thread?


Nothing stops you from answering my question here. Well, unless you have something to hide

Would I have posted the picture if I believed otherwise?
The question is rhetorical anyway.

@deols
It is okay. I thought that was your fear too.

deols: @AbdH,

About the pic you posted about the prophet cursing people who deal with alcohol. Can you confirm whether that hadith is about the beverage or dealing with alcohol in all forms?

Because, for example, the spirit used in cleaning wound is alcohol. A more concentrated one for that matter. Would having a company that deals in its production or helping people clean their wounds or having your wounds cleaned with it be haram?

I think the hadith is about the beverage.

Alcoholic beverages of course, it is clearly stated in the image. Even foods that contain alcohol are forbidden. Alcohol can be used on wounds though...but the ingestion is a no no.

Post your concerns in the right thread after all, you got this image from a particular thread.