₦airaland Forum

euromilion:
Simple electricity Nigeria can't even get it right talk less of inventing something meaningful,on the other hand some are talking/wishing military takeover,Nigeria is a mess today is the result of the military rule ibb and abacha are among world biggest looters ever,so military rule is not the way to the promise land.

Nigeria will only get better if the youths can say enough is enough and people will have to sacrifice their lives many will have to die,only then will Nigeria see real change.

I doubt if there's one in Nigeria army who actually joined the army for the of love of Nigeria,I think many joined for their daily bread(as a result of joblessness).

I don't think electricity is that simple: we have a very large population that is reaching the 200m mark soon, you need electricity for over 200m people and that doesn't come cheap when you consider the meager government revenue from crude oil. We need to increase our revenue source by diversifying and utilizingore of our gdp through tax and extraction of more solid minerals.

To generate the much needed electrify for both domestic and industrial use, we will need to generate about 100megawat, when we do the maths that is lots of billion of dollars for only generation alone what about transmittion? Distribution? Gas infrastructure to these power plants? Maintenance etc...

euromilion:
Simple electricity Nigeria can't even get it right talk less of inventing something meaningful,on the other hand some are talking/wishing military takeover,Nigeria is a mess today is the result of the military rule ibb and abacha are among world biggest looters ever,so military rule is not the way to the promise land.

Nigeria will only get better if the youths can say enough is enough and people will have to sacrifice their lives many will have to die,only then will Nigeria see real change.

I doubt if there's one in Nigeria army who actually joined the army for the of love of Nigeria,I think many joined for their daily bread(as a result of joblessness).

Nigeria is not a country, it is a political boundary drawn by the British for their selfish interest in the past. Nigeria is a geographical boundary with nations like yorubas, igbo, Hausa and hundreds of other nation. Non of this nationality consider Nigeria to be a nation that they can die for.

Most of us are Yoruba first and Muslim second before been a Nigeria. No one would want risk his or her life for such a country. Restructuring and true federalism will help to put Nigeria on the right part. Without restructuring, every major ethnic group should go on their own

diordaves:
I'm also of the view that it may not be cheaper if you contract the project, but if you go DIY to a major extent, it may be cheaper. If you go through Spyder880's comment and Adulwastecx comments as well, you will noticed they've pointed out some salient points and very vital points about this method. Like Spyder880, I will improve on the foundation, possibly adopt our normal foundation and take it from there. Adulwastecx commented about flexibility. Good point, but what is "fexibility" in a project like this? Can it be cheaper? So let's break things down like you said and crunch some numbers: This is for a Bungalow

Foundation

The bags are like the black jute bags in Nigeria sold for N10 retail or about N6 wholesale. But I will not use this method for foundation. I will use our normal method and for a moderate three bedroom Bungalow about N350K should deliver it.

Walling

Na here wahala start. How? Like Abulwastecx observed those timbers used in the eco project are very straight and as we know in Nigeria, we have a huge problem with affordable straight timber. Take a look at the timbers we use for roofing, they are ALL crooked and warped in most places. The crooked timbers don't come cheap. So this may mean we have to adapt a different way to overcome this. So either we turn a blind eye and use the crooked timber like we normally do with roofing or we build columns with just ONE rod in the column to save cost. So how many column will one build for the project? Quite a lot. If one adopt the use of timber and the "Z" metals holding the timber together, this alone can go for about N450K just for timber as you will need hardwood not just any cheap softwood.

RED MUD SAND(laterite). How many trips of 911 tipper at N10k per trip? 10 trips? that is N100K
Small black Bagco bags at N6 per bag? 3000? That is 3000 times 6 naira = N18K
Labour cost? No labour cost, it's DIY or minimum labour cost.

ROOFING
No cost advantage. Roof na roof, normal built or eco built. Roof na roof.

PLASTER
It will be more expensive to plaster the eco built as one will need to buy chicken wire to wrap the walls to hold the plaster to the bags. If not, the plaster mortar will not stick to the bags.

WIRING, WINDOW, PLUMBING, TILING, PAINTING, KITCHEN ETC


No cost advantage. All remain the same as normal build. So lets compare:

Foundation N350,000
Wood 450,000
Laterite 100,000
Bags 18,000

TOTAL: 918, 000 This is to roofing level. At this stage, the difference in costing stops. All other stages to completion that one will need to do will be the same cost as normal build.

Now the question to ask to get a clearer perspective between both approach is can one deliver a normal moderate bungalow to roofing level with N918,000 ?

If the answer is yes; then there is no cost advantage

If the answer is no, then there is a cost advantage. But how much is that cost advantage?

If the answer is less; then the normal build is cheaper.

So to all contractors in the house, Spyder880 and Abdulwastecx included, can you deliver a "moderate" bungalow with N918,000 to roofing level?

To all of us (my humble self) included, clients Egunmogaji and KolaShangOne aslo included; can we deliver a "moderate" bungalow to roofing level with N918, 000 or less?

That is very good analysis over there.
I will start by saying that every serious building contractors/enguneers/architect is looking for cheaper and more effective ways to deliver cost effective housing for the teaming population of this country. The initiative is there but we have so many bottlenecks that I will highlights because here we are talking about a practical solution to our building problem.

Before we can adapt any cost effective method of building low cost housing, the things we normally look at are how well we can source the materials locally, how well can we design the building to reduce waste and at the same time building very attractive houses, how structurally sound can this house be for the safety of those that will occupy these houses and finally aesthetically pleasing can this house be.

Availability of raw materials- the most readily available materials in most part of Nigeria is laterite, clay, sharp sand and rocks.

diordaves:
End Product

Now will this actually be cheaper in Nigeria? The project was in Namibia. Can a moderate bungalow be delivered adopting this ecobag system for under two million in Nigeria?

I don't this system will be cheaper in Nigeria because do the following reasons.
1. The bags will be a bit expensive and you also need to filled the bags with either laterite or sharp sand that you will still need to buy. In the long run it will cost more per square meters compare to our conventional 6" or 9" blocks.

2. The frames are made from pre fabricated truss which also cost lots of money but when this is produced in commercial quantities, the cost will be reduced considerably.

3. This system required lots of skillful laborers and such labor cost will increase compared to our conventional building type.

4. The foundation employed hereay not work for sloppy, water logged terrain or soil generally with poorer bearing capacity. It also reduces foundation flexibility because you have a limitation to how well you can twist the building.

In summary, this system will be more expensive than alternative method of construction we have presently and

Construction is heavier

Foundation type not suitable for all soil conditions.

Such building lacks flexibility.

Chimighty007:
what will cost to deck 75x75 space

What is the thickness of the slab, how many beams do you have and what are there thickness. I will need to see the structural design first