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Ulu45:
my people....If u get a Geotech investigation report stating that d soil bearing capacity of d soil is very low (up to a depth of 10m), wat would u use for founding ur structure? Any and every contribution is welcomed.

I will have to ask, what is the value of the bearing capacity, what type of building do you want to build on the site, what are other properties of the soil like the soil classification, water level etc.

It will make better sense to state or post the conclusion of the soil Geotech report and also tell us the type of building you are planning to build for better understanding of your site conditions

spyder880:
Just wondering aloud, will there be a time, when metal roofing will replace wooden roofing in most of our residential buildings?

I think it will be more beneficial to the environment if metal truss is used more but that also present huge environmental challenges to the area where these metal are mined.

Cost is another bottleneck, even in developed countries cost of steel roofing truss is more expensive than that of timber truss

The flexibility of the materials, timber truss is more flexible to use with our present method of construction, it requires less fabrication time, less scaffolding and manpower.

fash78:
Guys I still need your help as per my ask above.
Thanks

Those rate quoted above are okay.

diordaves:
It's really shocking how widespread this "hammer" mentality is inherent in most contractors. Please note that is hammer mentality is just with contractors and not with the tradesmen. How? So for example your case of 3.7m to plaster a duplex; I will be very surprised if that quote is from a learned plasterman. What happens is that the middle man which is the contractor will hammer you, go source for tradesmen who will do the job for far less and pocket the huge different. Most times it doesn't pan out well because like the yorubas will say "the walls have ears" the real artisan will eventually know how much the job was contracted out for and compare how much he's being paid and paid lately at that, will be disgruntled and just down tools. Some of those squabble you hear on building site is as a result of this phenomenon.

When you contact a contractor for a job, the contractor has already made up his mind how much he will make in the project come rain or shine. Mind you, he doesn't know as yet your budget o! So if your budget is say 2m and the contractor is targeting 2m, sorry....your project won't get off the ground because the contractor as bent as hell in making 2m from the project will aggrandize the funds for themselves. It is that bad. There are good contractors out there who would get the job done, even here on Nairaland, don't get me wrong but it's a battle of wits.

If you are having problems sourcing dedicated builder in your area with verifiable work similar to yours, go direct labour, get quotes from plastermen directly. You will be shocked at the price difference and for most times with good supervision they will do the job.

And then with scaffold. With plaster job, you don't have to do all round scaffolding because not all the face of the build will be plastered at the same time. It's good advice to do build and transfer. What this means is that arranging with the carpenter, the carpenter will only set up the scaffold for the section the plaster will start from and after completion, will transfer the scaffold to the next section so you should not spend more than 60k for scaffolding planks including carpentry workmanship. But these hammer mentality contractors will quote and give you figures for all round scaffolding only to go ahead to implement build and transfer. With build and transfer, you buy far less planks but your carpenter labour charge may be more may be a couple of thousands.

It's a real battle of wits. Do have your wits about you.

I think, with this your advance level of building construction you don't need the service of the engineer, architect or trade men to your work.

"Harmer mentality" I'm just hearing this for the first time, No builder here on nairaland will have a preconceived notion of getting a prfit margin of 100%. when you want to plaster a house, the area of the wall is calculated and a thickness of plastering is assumed after careful consideration of wall straightness, roughness of surface and wall alignment, from these two the volume of plaster required for the job is calculated and a mix ratio is arrived at considering the environmental condition and the type of plaster sand, this volume is employed to calculate the quantity of cement and other constituent aggregates (plaster sand, sharp sand or stone dust).

The rate of plastering can either be set per wall area (square meters) or per partitions (7horizontal walls by 3m height) and each of the partitions is billed in accordance with the level of attention, remoteness of the site, the volume of works etc, external walls attract a higher rate. In most cases, a mason is expected to do two partitions per day @ the rate of 2k per partitions or more, you will be expected to provide labor and other logistics.
I personal estimates all this and charge for supervision fee for every job I handled.

Talking about scaffolding, scaffolding constructed for plastering can also be used for window installation, window dressing, external rendering work ( window hoods, wall belt etc), screeding and external wall painting. Building the scaffolding at once is the most prudent thing to do, considering that the tradesmen that will use the scaffolding also have family and their safety should be more important than some little extra money that can be saved, in fact, scaffolding should always come with a net to prevent an accident at workplace.
Another major advantage associated with building your parapet at once is it gives the masons and other tradesmen freedom to move around freely which makes it easier to do a better job and nailing and loosen bamboo, wood or other scaffolding components other than iron stud weakened their strength and rendered them unsafe for use.

tifany89:
Just look at the rubbish you are spewing. Your hatred for Igbos will always make you foolish Afonjas turn truth on its head. So north is now more safe than east? Nothing we wldnt hear on this forum. Tell dat those all dose who have lost their lives senselessly in one way or the other. I actually don't blame you. It's very hard to ignore these people with their lies, very hard

I don't hate igbos, I love them as fellow Nigerians.
Why should I worry myself hating on people that haven't done me wrong or stolen from me?

When I look at people, I look individual and I judge people base on individual characters and what they can offer

Nbote:
Now u get my point...

Yes, you are right

Nbote:
And d fact dat d town is dominated by outsiders means dat they still don't fall under the control of the Emirate right? Was there an attack on St. Philips church in Bakin iku recently? And over what? We all know some of these things and are left with no option because na their place... The Emirate and it's ppl however few dey are still hold sway and do as dey will.. Hope U remember how old barracks was cleared and what recently happened there again.. I've witnessed firsthand how "dawaki" boys start fights in d Morocco road electronics line time and time again.. Tell me in all honesty dat there isn't always tension in d town whenever kaduna heats up.. There are many non indigenes who own businesses but does dat mean kaduna is divided along religious lines?

I understand your point, but we can all agree that poverty, illiteracy, and religion differences are a very dangerous combination, the fact is some of the youth in suleja (mostly Hausa speaking youth) are uneducated and lacks opportunities and took to crime, these are the bunch that the government need to be aware of.

The introduction of sharia was a political strategy and it has stalled the development of the town, we know the problem of Nigeria, how people always use religion to cause trouble and achieve a personal objective. Suleja is not immune to all this problem being a melting center of ethnic group and culture.

Nigeriadondie:
U ve not resisted this sham called democracy na when soldiers enter u go fit face them or na inside bush u go run enter
Lets not deceive ourselves d current democracy is a mess that serves only a few. If a well intentioned coup is possible, it has my support and I guess many other.
If u want a coup now choose like if no choose share

That is the problem there is no such thing as "well-intended coup", The military had been given the opportunities in the past to rule and they have nothing to show for it. People are shouting about restructuring not knowing that the military-led government that destroyed the regional system of government and introduce the central system we are using today

MrEverest:
And that will ultimately lead to the total disintegration of Nigeria. This is not 1983, how many countries in the world today have military regimes? The fulani and their hausa and kanuri brothers will be pushing their luck too far. The dynamics of Nigeria has changed tremendously, the moment the coup happens, the yorubas will see it as a repeat of 1993, the middle belt are already reeling under oppression from the core north, the N.Delta are already feeling cheated while majority of Igbos no longer see themselves as Nigerians! A team up by these four disparate groups will definitly overwhelm the fulani, hausa and kanuri hegemony. I'm seeing Nigeria finally sliding into a Bosnia kind of conflagration with disastrious consequencies on the whole of Africa and even Europe considering the millions of refugees that will surge from our borders!

Good point

ettybaba:
Do you know Suleja is a breeding ground for Boko Haram with enforcement of sharia?

I don't know, please tell me

ettybaba:
St Theresa Christmas day bombing comes to mind.

It was a terrorist action by Boko haram, it is the responsibility of the government (federal government) to provide security for life and properties. What about the kano Jumaat mosque bombing?

Benekruku:
You must be a kid!

Don't mind some of these kid running their mouth. Nigeria achieved much from 1999 to 2017 than throughout the military era. people with the freedom to talk anyhow, post stupid comments on social media are now clamoring for Military intervention

mansakhalifa:
The political class will have only themselves to blame if a military coup happens. They have been toying with the affairs of this country for far too long. Look at the corruption in the system,look at the unwholesome conditions in the country. Look at the level of insecurity in the country that has stretched the military thin. These politicians have failed woefully and as such the soldiers might now be seeing themselves as an alternative to this civil rule.

I don't think so brother, the politicians have the money to escape the system when things turn upside down, the real people that will be at the receiving end of whatever calamity coming is the poor and the working class.
The military has no business in government, they don't have the know-how or the patriotism to lead a nation, they were responsible for the majority of the country problem in the first place.

Nbote:
I stayed in Suleja for more than 15yrs so I know exactly what I'm talking about. I have family and friends in d town.. D debate isn't about d history of Suleja but their religious intolerance jus as it is in other parts of d north.. No one is telling u there aren't any churches in Suleja. I'm categorically telling u how intolerant d ppl are of both Christians and outsiders generally. From my initial post u can see where I mentioned non indigenes as having a higher percentage of the town's population. D original owners are gbagyi we all know dat but d hausas who we hear are originally from zaria in kaduna have successfully usurped d gbagyi as indigenes..

I was born in Suleja and I have been living there for the past 31 years, I think I know what I'm talking about. when you talk about the people, what people are talking about? the Hausas don't make up more 40% and they mostly reside in the section of the town like emir's palace, dawaki, ansa dalatu, etc while more populous area like kwamba, gabodon, etc are dominated by Yorubas, other areas like Jubili, bakasi, back of hospital, madanla are dominated by igbos, other parts of the town are mixed.

I still stand by my point the, there is no religious intolerance in Suleja. the richest and famous business man is a Yoruba Christians (Oludele), the main market (IBB market) is dominated by Igbos how more tolerant do you want them to be?

Nbote:
How can u admit to religious extremism as their problem and still claim it's safe? A typical hausa man is tolerant and open minded but wen u add religious extremism to his persona, tolerant and open minded is thrown out of the window..

That is the problem with Nigeria, we always like at issues from only two point, which is left or right, black or white etc but the truth his there a countless number of ways to issue.

I consider blocking of highways for Jumat prayer extreme despite been a Muslim,
I consider all the countless noise emancipating from religious houses extreme
I consider singing and dancing to the extreme every day of week to be extreme

These are points that both muslim and Christians are quilty of, I have areas in suleja because both extreme muslim and christians

deflover:
Long over due
If it happens
Let them kill all the politicians
From 1960 till date
Every former head of state
Governor

Nigeria needs a factory reset

You can't just go around killing people in other to have a reset.

The problem is not the aforementioned but the society that produces these leaders.
A society that celebrates without asking questions
A society that pays more emphasis on religion and ethnic makeup rather than what you can offer.
A society that doesn't value handwork with youth always looking for easy way to success.

These are the behavior we need to change not killing our so-called leaders because if we are successful in killing these set of leaders, their children will step in and they will do worse

Bugatie:
Truth is the situation in Nigeria is annoying enough to push non tolerant young bloods in the army to consider coup

What alternative do they have? Military intervention was the major reason we are in this mess

Rotentina:
Fake news! I don't believe it.

Don't mind them, I don't know why people fan hatred and want problem when their brethren benefits more from our present arrangements.

I have been to all the south eastern States and most northern States and can say which people are more tolerant and open minded.

North has problem of illiteracy and religious extremism but it is still one of the most safest place to live

ettybaba:
My colleague earlier told me about the excesses of the Muslims in Suleja are their terrorist emir but I thought he was exaggerating. Buhari's presidency seems to have embolden the bigots the more.

What excesses? You have igbos buying property, building houses, going to government funded schools without any problem. I was born and bred in suleja, I have spend a larger percentage of my adulthood in around suleja and I haven't come across anyone complaining of being marginalized.

During my secondary school days, with have more igbos/South South class mate than hausas or Nupe, there are more area with substantial igbo population than hausas, there are more churches than mosque, igbos buy land cheaper and easier than a northerner will do in the east. What else do you want?

Nbote:
OP first things first, Suleja isn't in FCT Abuja but in Niger state instead... Dats close to where d Zuma rock is... Back to d issue, whether anyone wants to believe it or not, it doesn't change d fact dat dats d status quo in Suleja and other parts of the North... Just last year Muslims attacked a Catholic Church opposite their mosque for having a program during their prayer even though d program had been on for 4days already. The town and it's emir are so intolerant to the non indigenes who ironically make up a huge percentage of the population. The town would have developed far more than it has so far of not for d many excesses of it's lazy ppl who blatantly flaunt tell ppl to go back to their place if dey aren't comfortable.. Cases of land grabbing is now d order of d day..

I am from suleja, to begin with suleja is historically a Gbagi twon it belongs to them and the hausas are setlers as well as other ethnic groups in the town, suleja is one of the most peaceful town in Nigeria with a very diverse demography.

All the major ethnic groups are represented in suleja, it has a very large yoruba population, large igbo population and other ethnic groups like auchi, eghira, igala etc. Suleja closeness to Abuja is an important factor on the settlement pattern.

On religion, there are more churches in suleja than mosques, and people are free to worship in them, though, there are few extremist here and there but they don't have the follower or power to cause any mischief or problem.

Suleja is one of the easiest place to get a land, you can buy a land from the government or buy from the locals, provided all proper documentation are done you don't have any problem. I have been to the east, South west (I am yoruba) and I can categorically tell you that suleja is one of the easiest place to buy properties without any problem

Bishop87:
Please i am a new Nairalander and dont really know how it works. I need advice on cost of building a 4 bedroom bungalow on a piece of land, say 1000 sqm in Abuja, Kubwa. I intend buying a property in kubwa by the end of this month and will like to commence work with whatever i have left after purchase. But please, can anyone give a detailed cost of building a standard 4 bedroom bungalow, all rooms ensuite. From foundation to fencing and roofing till finishing?

I would prefer if the building process is broken in stages so i can tackle them one after the other and @ (abdulwastecx), i like your post and didnt know how to reach you, hence i am writing here with the hope you will respond. I liked your bungalow 3D a lot and seems like you have a good taste, i will like to contact you via whatsapp if thats possible?

I will like to buy the property and commence building by the end of this month. any advise will be will appreciated.

Thanks.

Thank you sir, you can contact me through whatapps with this number 08169492682.

You will get all the information you need through whatapps discussion. Thanks

oladoja1:
how did Muhammad enslaved Africans, with your source, did any Arab brought Islam to Nigeria, was it not the Northerners that brought it here; google is your friend

The nrtherners didnt bring islam to Nigeria, Islam came through many sources. It came through arab traders, malian traders and Chadian traders

DeKen:
Guy I would love to see the final finish/painted version of the exteriors. I guess others may like it too.
Would you mind uploading them?

Yea surely we will apload the final appearance after landscaping and final painting

DrGoodman:
I still maintain that your education is very poor, and it left your mental abilities with such shallow thinking that its a shame to hear you talk rubbish.

Have you ever wondered why your people cry and fight each time we talk separation? Because of what they will lose, not because them love us too much. If we have no resources, why not support a balkanized Nigeria? Open a thread and ask for your own country, I challenge you, it might be better for your region in the long run, doing long throat on Niger Delta/eastern region oil will guarantee you remain poor for a longer time.

Good governance and equal opportunities in this Nigeria as presently constituted? You are a joker, a real comical clown

I can bet that I have a better education qualifications than you and I will challenge you to upload your university certificate online for all to see.

You also lack exposure and ability to think critically. I am a yoruba and proud of my ethnicity but I don't do my people against your people, I think people who do this like individual quality to stand on their own.

Nigeria is a great country and no government or good citizen will want balkanization of a diverse, big market and great nation like Nigeria. We see a nation with the largest domestic market in Africa and one of the largest in the world, the potential is there and we will key into it and make millions or billions out of the market.

I will advice you to go and get a good job or set up a good business to enjoy the huge opportunities that Nigeria has to offer

porozhniy:
You're 100% in your assessment of most states in the federation, however, It's not due to lack of natural resources but due to Abuja politics.

You are absolutely right, natural resources is not the major yardstick for development, you can have all the crude, coal, limestone, iron ore, bauxite, forestry etc but if you lack the know how and the political will to use these resources wisely you will never developed.

The people of South eastern Nigeria have the right to referendum, they have the right to determine their destiny just like all other units that constute the federation but ignorant statement like '' we developed everywhere, all other tribes in Nigeria are parasite" is childish and shows the level of enlightenment and exposure of people making such comments

DrGoodman:
What do you know you Ignorant one?

If only you will go and get a good education and stop believing the useless propaganda your brown roof brothers feed you daily.

Go get educated old man.

When people twist an altercation into personal insult then you know forthwith that they have nothing to contrubute, I don't need too much education to know that the five eastern states contribute zero to national income since Nigeria state depend heavily on crude oil.

It’s hard not to wonder the type of mentality exibited by Nigerian youth in respect to agitation for indepedence or seperation, rather than just recognize the growing poverty, inequality, poor leadership and lack of opportunities for youth across all tribal and religious divide, and find a way to address these issues, we rather abuse and talk trash online.

For your information, I don't depend on Nigeria print media for my information.

Nigeriadondie:
What resources have u got where u come from if u think d south east has nothing?

I don't normally do dick contest but you guys need a realistic check. The south East is as parasitic to the Nigeria state as the majority of states in the North and south West.

My state of origin has nothing to do with the fact, Nigeria heavily depend oo Niger delta crude oil and we all know where these states are located.

DrGoodman:
In fact, they took expired palm wine, Nnamdi Mandela Kanu is now the only credible Igbo personality who will lecture them on what we want. Upon all the planning and scheeminhs of Ohaneze, what has they achieved?

Second Niger bridge? Good federal roads? Any sort of federal presence in a region that produces the resources of this country?

Can Ohaneze even stop Fulani herdsmen destroying our crops after we suffer to plant our crops?

These old men should give way for Nnamdi Kanu.

You must be high to believe that South East produces the resources of the nation, what resources are you talking about again?

Here is another beautiful project design and built up to Decking level by Harney projects.

Scope of work includes the following;
1. Design of four bedroom duplex
2. First phase construction from setting out to decking level

Completion of the decking stage, we will be back in two weeks time to continue this beautiful project. We are grateful to the Almighty and the client for given us the strength and the opportunity to work on this beautiful project.

We also thank all our followers and well-wishers on nairaland and off it to keep the work coming, we will always do our best, at harney projects to give them good value for the money.

Thank you all

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Mix ratio for this particular job is 1:2:4, expected quantities of cement is 250bags.