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TrueSeeker:
If The Holy Bible as claimed by the poster is a distorted scripture, why are you looking unto it for guidance? That only meant that you believe Bible to be a Book of Truth and Prophecy, if not how can you conclude that it predict the coming of Muhammad in a clear term? Since the Bible has not been distorted as you claimed in the day of Muhammad (7th century), because he (muhammad) claimed that his Quran is confirmation of the Bible, when was the distortion took place?

Yes of course it is distorted scripture and I use it as a reference not for the Muslims but for you christians to become convinced with what your bible is saying. Since you believe in it I must use it against you. I am not looking unto bible for guidance (God forbid) because my noble Qur'an suffices me. The purpose of my post is to convince the christians and yet they remain sturbborn. If I want do it for Muslims I will use the Qur'an reference. But now how can I use the Qur'an to convince the Christians  when they now seem to disbelieve even in the very biblical reference I used agaisnt them!!

TrueSeeker:
How can you say that Mohammad is the holy spirit promised by Jesus Christ? Or can you say that Mohammad is the prophet for-told by Moses when the more evidence point to Jesus Christ? if your claim is right don't you think that Mohammad would had referred to it in the Quran when he was seeking for approval from his kinsmen and Jews of his time?

Can you please, prove with a single biblical verse that the prophecy is aimed at Jesus? How can that be possible when the Jesus himself prophesied that: "“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is to your advantage that I go away. For I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart he will be sent to you, he will guide you unto all truth for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear that he shall speak” (John 16: 7&13).

As you say that: "if your claim is right don't you think that Mohammad would had referred to it in the Quran when he was seeking for approval from his kinsmen and Jews of his time? So let me inform you (for you dont know) that this is also a fact in the Qur'an that prove prophecy of Jesus fortelling the coming of prophet's muhammad's messengerhip. Allah the Exalted account Jesus in the Qur'an proclaiming that soon a messenger shall come from God whose name shall be ‘AHMAD’, (Q61:6).  And this is the message extend by prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to not only his kinmsen (as you asked about) but also to the entire world race includin you and the Jews! This means that prophet Muhammad had reffered to this this truth when addressing his people and the Jews of his time. The problem is that fail to understand your own bible, imagine how te situation will be when it comes to Qur'an - the very book your are fighting. If God wills you will be guided and I pray for you to attain that very perfect complete GUIDANCE OF ALLAH!

Akanniade:
@Abu-Safwan

Your kind only quote from the bible when it suits your agenda. In another breath you would swiftly condemn the book your mischevious prophet plagiarized.

So please qoute (if you can) a single biblical verse that contradicts the ones I have qouted. It is not a matter of suiting one's agenda. If you assume it as such so, now your agenda is to disprove my factual evidence, therefore can you bring a single reference that suit your agenda to disprove truth I have raised. Simple and Easy or easy-peasy!

viaro:
When someone reacts like the above, it confirms just one thing for me: rationale has taken flight and idiocy has come to roost.

Habib, if allah has answers rather than shouting, just calm down and provide a sane answer to the simple questions in my previous post: "was Muhammad ever a Jew? How was Muhammad 'from among their brethren'?"

It is when you do so that we can then proceed and discuss. To begin spewing derision does not help your allah - and I wasn't joking in saying that muslim apologists are often found stealing verses from other religions to dress up claims for Muhammad.

Once again, I intervene with simple answer. Habib Let him know that the Bible identified that Ishamael is the son of Abraham meanwhile Ishmael is the ancestor of prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Addtionally, Jesus said about that prophet: “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is to your advantage that I go away. For I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart he will be sent to you, he will guide you unto all truth for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear that he shall speak” (John 16: 7&13). Likewise, The coming of prophet as God’s messenger foretold in the books of John 16:12-14, Habakkuk 3:3, Song of Solomon 5:10-13, Deuteronomy 33:1-2, Matthew 23:39, John 14:30 and e.t.c. His eminence, the late Deedat had once wrote and proclaimed that: “Muhummed is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16. The Hebrew word used there is Muhammuddim. Can you still reject your bible? Habib you know that the problem with most of this people is that they know nothing about the original Gospel. If Allah wishes Viaro will accept the truth and I wish him the best. I also wish that Banom will accpet the truth in the near future for he is still seeking for it with rational objectivity. I once again felicitate him for making a first good step toward the truth when he diverted from Atheism to Christianity. Much effort remained to be done by Banom in realizing the next truth but it is easy to acquire.

Thank you very much Punkinmusty, Habib and other for giving me your credit. Those who wnat prove my psot wrong let them adopt the simple way in doing - I mean that they should bring some biblical qoutes that contradict the truth that I have extracted from thier very own bible. Viaro qoutes me and says:

viaro:
Let me just point out one false foundation upon which Salim I. Hassan built his arguments:
Please let me know: was Muhammad ever a Jew? How was Muhammad 'from among their brethren'?

perhaps he did not rear the post in full but I let him read this again:

"“And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation”.
And we have already known that an angel had appeared to Hagar (the Abraham’s wife) and giving her glad tidings of a son to be named Ishmael (Gen. 16:11, and God did bless Ishmael, the first son of Abraham, and promised to make a great nation out of him (Gen. 17:20 & Gen. 21:13). His eminence, the late Deedat wrote: “If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israelites because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among themselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!”.  ALLAHU AKBAR!"
Or is Ishmael not the son of Abraham? Or is Ishamael not the ancestor of Prohphet Muhammad (pbuh)? to believe as such is to confess that your own is a liar.  The truth is that you cannot defeat these very biblical truth that I have put forward because ther are right-base and evidence-informed; however you can say all your wishful and baseless talks will just go up to smoke.

usisky:
@lagboy

sorry i never saw your post. its a shame u called yourself a sunni. meaning u do have a sect. let me ask u this, what sect was the prophet muhammad?

u claim to have overwhelming insight on islam. u think quoting hadiths and tafsirs can rescue u when the truth is hot on your tail? NO man it can't.

as for me, i call myself a muslim, cos thats what Abraham, the founder of islam named us. it was the name God himself aproved of.


[16:123] Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.

[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done.

Do not think my purpose is to win an argument, but rather to rescue a soul from eternal retribution. my commnts are not necessary directed at u, but to others who are ernestly following, cos it just might save someone someday. cheers!

Give your terms and date, and God willing i'll be available. my conditions are simple, we debate only in the light of the quran. Nothing can ever equals God's words as u youself can attest to, unless if u feel otherwise. the words of men remain the words of men, therefore are always prone to error. thats why u see in the quran, muhammad was ordered to adhere strictly to the quran.

Why all this long reply out of the point it is just an invitation to live debate given to you by the great lagosboy. Just say yes to the invitation if you are not afraid. Lagosboy I will be there in sha'allahu as a contributive audieance. And I would also like to invite him after your own meeting. But the guy did not answer yet. OR is he afraid? If he is afraid tell him that it is not a physical fight; it is only an intellectual debate.

usisky:
Qur'animran 3:18, baqara 2:285, jinn 72:18)
For the muslims, this three verses suffices. in the first verse(3:18), God gives us the correct shahadah(proclamation of faith), but today the muslims have been tricked into putting muhammad's name next to God. how do u end up doing this, i'll tell u. your ancestors are responsible, but that does not negate the fact that you should seek truth. by adding a name besides God's name, this is flagrant idolatry. and thats why He teaches you the correct thing in the quran. the second verse(2:285), all their lives, muslims recite this verse and yet can't adhere to it. in that verse, God says all his messengers(moses,noah,jesus,muhammad,solomon, etc) are all equal in his sight, and that no one should make any distinction amongst them. today muslims are tricked to believe mluhammad is God's favorite prophet, and besides why do u not add the other prophets names to the shahadah. this is violation of God's command. the third verse(72:18), commands the muslims that they should not call on any name besides God in the places of worship. but do the muslims really abide. they go to the mosque, they call God and then next to Him they put a human creature of his.they idolize muhammd against his will. how did all this happen? certainly not from the Qur'an, because it has been confirmed to be God's words. The truth is, the so called hadith and sunna are the genesis of all this idolatrous innovations. the hadith and sunna were concocted by satan to make the muslims worship muhammad alongside God. and any muslim knows that shirk(idolatry) is the only unforgivable sin in the sight of God if maintained till death.

It is Allah that commands us to must believe in Him and his messenger (Muhammad, pbuh) for us to become full Muslims ((Q:48:8-9). (Q57:7), (Q4:152). (Q4:150-1), (Q4:136). etc. All these verses and other alike, instruct us to believe in Allah and His messenger and this can be attained by attesting to the divinity of Allah and the messengership of prophet muhammad. attaching prophet messengership of prophet Muhammad next to the divinity of Allah (swt) is the teaching of Allah to us as far as many verses in the Qur'an are concerned. If you said I testify there is deity but Allah meanwhile rejecting the messenger you are no longer a muslim at all. As now you testify divinity of Allah but reject the messengership of Muhhamd you are not a muslim.

And if you say: "God says all his messengers(moses,noah,jesus,muhammad,solomon, etc) are all equal in his sight, and that no one should make any distinction amongst them. today muslims are tricked to believe mluhammad is God's favorite prophet" I will restort to you that this means one should not make distiction as to say that Moses is a messenger of Allah but Jesus is not. By saying that you are making distinction which God forbids. For instance Christians and Jews distincted prophet Muhammad as not being a messenger of Allah. They are committingsin in making this distiction. Distiction in the verse that you qouted does not mean not to believe that some prophets/messengers are ranked over the others. Once you apply this meaning you are by then rejecting the verse in which Allah says: "These are the Rasools (which We have sent for the guidance of mankind). We have exalted some above others. To some Allah spoke directly; others He raised high in ranks, "(q2:257). If you say that a particular messenger/prophet is ranked over another it is the confirmation of God's word. This guy, the victim of Rashad has misconcieved the Qur'an alot as did his master (To ai dama ba malamai bane - i.e lo! they are not reliable islamic scholars). or did he forget this verse is in the Qur'an and came to us saying we should not say this messenger is more favourite than another. This is a real statement of Allah.

And when you say: "and besides why do u not add the other prophets names to the shahadah" and I say we attach prophst's name because he is our very messenger sent to entire mankind. Had we have come in the time of Moses or Jesus messengership we would been adding their name in our Shahadah. Although we belive in the all prophets/messengers we are not mandated to to proclaim thier name in Shahadah; for this is a specific tribute given to prophet muhammad being him the very last messenger of Allah to the entire world. This guy cannot stand our test; he is completely ignorant of Qur'an, and so did Rashad.

And when you say: "verse(72:18) commands the muslims that they should not call on any name besides God in the places of worship. but do the muslims really abide. they go to the mosque, they call God and then next to Him they put a human creature of his, " and I say you dont even know Arabic; because the word "Tad'uu" as contained in the very Qur'anic Arabic text refers to worship not call, for the world call can be best translated and equated with the Arabic word "Nida'u". Therefore, we all know that Mosque is not a place of calling names, but is a place of worship. So Allah instruct us not to worship any one besides him. If you insist it means not to call names of people, I believe even you have once called the name of your friend or brother as you meet in the mosque perhaps before or after prayer. Is this mean you worship that your friend or brother just by calling his name. The very piont I want make hear is that mentioning the name of prophet Muhammad in the mosque for the purpose of re-proclaiming your belief is an act of worship. Not only that, in your prayer recitation you may across some qur'anic verses containing the names of people (believers and unbelievers) like prophets' names; and also some other unbelievers like Fir'aun, Abu lahab Haman, e.t.c. But the irony is that you are not worshiping this people just because you mention their names, but you worshipping Allah by reciting His Qur'an. However, if you mention prop[het's name (Muhammad) either in Addhan or Iqamah for re-proclaiming your belief in Allah and His messenger your are also worhipping Allah because procaliming belief in Allah and His messenger (Muhammad) is a very act of wroship to Allah as we have noted so far in various Qur'an verses. Additionally Allah commands us to be making 'Salat' (Allahumman Salli, Muhammad, ) for the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) (Q33:56), making Salat for the prophet muhammad is an act of worshipping Allah, and there is no salat without mentioning his name. Therefor if I make my salat for the prophet in the mosque is that means I worhip him just because I mention his name? No I am by that very time worshipping Allah (swt). My true brothers in Islam note Rashad Khalifa have invalidated this command of Allah (Q33:56) by changing its meaning. He maintained that the verse means to help the prophet but not to make salat for him. My brothers tell this guy, Usisky to continue seraching for the truth because the position he is now in is not the authentic and reliable one.

He say that he is a man of science; but he cannot escape from deceptive theory of Rashad religion. How can you be a man of science when I acan see that Rashad is playing trick with your thought. May Allah guide you to the right path, my pititious brother.

THE BIBLE CONFIRMS THE MESSENGERSHIP OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH)

BY
SALIM I. HASSAN
Salimullah December, (2009)
Some laymen among the Christians, due to their irrational prejudice, are usually fond of saying prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a liar, and or fabricated messenger (God forbids) and all sort of bad names. Such groups of Christians are they really understand and appreciate their distorted bible? And if they understand it are they really abide by its provisions and apply its instructions. If they will be sincere towards their bible they will not even despise the great prophet (pbuh) let alone to reject him. They still insist that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not a prophet much less a messenger of God. But ironically enough, their bible (despite of numerous distortions & human fabrications) still speaks of Messengership of the great prophet (pbuh). The biblical distortions and human fabrications notwithstanding, the biblical truth (which was originally in the Gospel) is never being altered, and or expurgated; it is still reliable and extant. Both the Jews and the Christians know him more than their knowledge of their sons; and so also their learned men. But they were misguided only by indulging into the habit of hiding the truth just out prejudice and envy. Our Qur’an tells us that: “….when there came to them that which they very well recognize, they knowingly rejected it; Allah's curse is on such disbelievers…, ” (Q2:89).

I am now going to bring to you some little powerful biblical evidence that are not only irrefutable but also untouchables by any critic. But before that let me make it very clear to you that in our noble Qur’an God accounts for Jesus proclaiming to his people that after him, soon a messenger shall come from God whose name shall be ‘AHMAD’, (Q61:6). So many biblical evidences confirm this powerful fact about the Messengership of our noble prophet (pbuh). Some of which are:

Fact 1: Deut.18: 18: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

An imperative question arises as to ask who are these brethren of the Israelites (i.e. descendants of Isaac)? Christians have must to answer this question and if they can’t let us here it from the Genesis17:20: “And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation”.

And we have already known that an angel had appeared to Hagar (the Abraham’s wife) and giving her glad tidings of a son to be named Ishmael (Gen. 16:11, and God did bless Ishmael, the first son of Abraham, and promised to make a great nation out of him (Gen. 17:20 & Gen. 21:13). His eminence, the late Deedat wrote: “If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israelites because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among themselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!”
Fact II: Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God; His messenger who shall not fail nor be discouraged till he has set judgement on earth. Moreover, Isaiah 42:11 connects that awaited messenger with the descendant of Kedar, who was the second son of Ishamael, (Gen. 25:13) the ancestor of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Fact III: And who is that prophet mentioned in Deut. That is like unto Moses? Jesus said about that prophet: “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is to your advantage that I go away. For I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart he will be sent to you, he will guide you unto all truth for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear that he shall speak” (John 16: 7&13).

Fact IV: The coming of prophet as God’s messenger foretold in the books of John 16:12-14, Habakkuk 3:3, Song of Solomon 5:10-13, Deuteronomy 33:1-2, Matthew 23:39, John 14:30 and e.t.c. His eminence, the late Deedat had once wrote and proclaimed that: “Muhummed is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16. The Hebrew word used there is Muhammuddim. The end letters IM is plural of respect majesty and grandeur. Minus "im" the name would be Muhamud translated as "altogether lovely" in the Authorized Version of the Bible or 'The Praised One' 'the one worthy of Praise' i.e. MUHUMMED! (P.B.U.H)

Fact V: The transfer of God’s kingdom from Jerusalem to Mecca foretold in the book of Matthew 21:42-3, and Psalm 118:22-26 both verses refer to Gen. 21:8-11. Also, the migration of the noble prophet (pbuh) and the fall of Mecca during his emergence to Islamic power foretold in the book of Isaiah 21:13-17.

And Finally, I say peace be upon those who follow guidance. The biblical references used can be found in the King James Version of 1611 C.E, the Revised Standard Version of 1951 and the re-Revised Version of 1971.

Submitted by Salimullah

My complaint is that I have posted a topic: The destruction of anti-haith, in the last 6 days but I never see it on the board: but today I posted another one. Am I right please?

usisky:
@olabowale
@muhsin

salaam! please i beg u guys in the name of God, visit the following websites. pls pls pls pls pls pls.

www.submission.org

www.miracleof19.org

MUHSIN, please, tell this guy that I have already wrote a complete book invalidating and destroying the founding father of this websites (specifically Rashad Khalifa). And you the truth that I 've telling you this brother of ours, perhaps he was misguided via the influence of Rashadis (Rashad and his followers), and the guy is now inviting us to visit the website that I have been in contact with in the past 8yrs. I had even personally sent numerous refutation points to these Submitters via their personal email and they all failed to defend thier satanic-Rashad religion. Although the book which I titled: "THE DESTRUCTION OF RASHAD; AND IN THE DEFENCE OF THE PROPHET SUNNAH" is yet unpublished I can present the software to this man if he request for its copy.

usisky:
@muhsin


Point1:

1) The shahadaah(proclamation of faith): how do u recite your shahadaah? do u accept that in the Quran or the ones mentioned in the hadiths? if u don't recite it as written in the Quran, then verse(18:57) applies to u.

The Most Important Commandment(correct shahadaah acording to God, the angels and those who posess knowledge)

[3:18] GOD bears witness that there is no god except He(La Ellaha Ell Allah), and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.

[21:25] We did not send any messenger before you(muhammad) except with the inspiration: "There is no god except Me(La Ellaha Ell Allah); you shall worship Me alone."

As u can see from the shahadaah according to God, there is no muhammads name attached to it. no where in the quran do u see God put a name besides His own name. it is those who idolize muhammad against his will that included his name. this is shirk(idolatry) by definition. God lets us knw that it is the hypocrites who do that.see below

This man miconcieved the Qur'an alot just like how his master Rashad Khalifah did.

we ask you to follow the sunnah so that you may understand the Qur'an but yet you refused. These verses and thier alike are talking about Tawheed and it is a response to the unbelievers who reject the messengership of prophet Muhammad. hence there is no need to attach the concept of prophet messengership. BUT whereever Allah is talking to the people that to accept Islam he always says: "you should believe in Allah and his messenger" such verses are numerous in the Qur'an. this means that to believe in Allah excluding messengership of prophet muhammad is a clear disbelief; also to eliminate the second part of Shahadah is to condemn your belief in Allah.

usisky:
@muhsin


[63:1] When the hypocrites come to you they say, "We bear witness that you are the messenger of GOD[b](muhammad Rasool Ell Allah)[/b]." GOD knows that you are His messenger, and GOD bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.

it is important to note that (muhammad rasool ell Allah) means , muhammad is a messenger of God. how is it possible that muhammad would say to himself "muhammad "is" a messenger of God. Also we knw he is dead now, so why do we keep saying he "is" a messenger of God. can a dead man be a messenger of God? Even using common sense, the correct statement shoul've been (muhammad "was" a messenger of God). in arabic it will be(muhammad "kana" rasool ell Allah).

So how can you deal with numerous verses in the Qur'an that still are in 'Fi'il al-amr' as in Arabic. they are yet giving commandement to the people that to believe in Allah and in his pmessenger. are you ready to abrogate such verses by your saying that Muhammad is no more messenger while is still giving command in the Qur'an that to believe in his messenger and to follow him. Let me tell you I have written a long book destroying the claims of your master, Rashad Khalifa woh alleged he is a messenger. But now look for my new thread about the destruction of anti-hadith in this same board. i have no time to reply well now but we shall meet next time.

The reason for American failure in economy and security is that both the ex-president (Bush) and the current one (Obama) glorifies war in their administration. Unless you leave Muslim countiries alone to do their life you will continue to be dommed.

Good step Banom. you h've now reached half position of the truth. Try and make another long jump to arrive at ultimate and perfect divine unity with no trinity i.e Islam. Wishing you the best and pray for you to fulfil your task.

THE INTELLIGENT REPORT ON THE ORIGIN OF WESTERN TERRORISM AND THE RISE OF MUJAHIDEEN
COUNTER-TERRORISM
By
Salim I. Hassan
Education Department.
BUK
It should be pertinent before any long discussion to explain what terrorism is. According to Encarta dictionary terrorism generally means political violence to achieve a goal for economic or rather political purpose. Also a line in Encarta Microsoft reads: “Terrorism is by nature political because it involves the acquisition and use of power for the purpose of forcing others to submit, or agree, to terrorist demands”. But what of if a person or a group of persons attempt to protect their religion, values, honour, land and resources from those terrorist demanders? Can they be also considered terrorists and their acts terrorism? I appeal to my Muslim brothers to be patient with me on the account that my discussion will be on the presumably an assumption of Western terrorism vs Islamist terrorism, albeit Islam or Muslims have never commit terrorism unless when if they are terrorized first. The above definition from Western source irrefutably justifies West/America as being the initiator of terrorism on earth. Or Don’t you get me right? If terrorism means a military preparation or aggression against other countries, so the Americans and the Israelis must be at the top list. And if that it means an illegal act of killing innocent people, also in this regard Americans and the Israelis must be a kind of super-terrorists ever evolved among the mankind.
Okay, I will bring forward to you all documented proofs and facts that America and its European alliance, and in addition to Israel, are the worst terrorists destabilized the world and caused the death of more than 100, 000, 000, 000 lives in last century alone; and that Muslims just act in retaliation which the US always claim it is a terrorism. According to them, due to their irrational craziness, unjust military aggression is not terrorism but to retaliate. Put it in other word, I mean that America and their war monger alliances always pretend that a person that comes to kill you in your room is not terrorist but your attempt to escape by any means possible is a terrorist act – something that even a lunatic would not give nod to.
The root of terrorism can be well understood when we aptly consider the question as: who terrorize whom first? In answering the above question let the HISTORY speak for itself, by itself and with itself. Now HISTORY speaks: since from 7th c – 18th c the relationship between Muslims and non-muslims had been that of rule your world and I will rule mine. Muslims keep peace with all those who seek for it and ever interfere with the affairs of foreign territories. A time there might be an aggression against the Muslims and the Muslim armies may retaliate and in effect they had conquered some of their enemies just as what the US alleged to be doing nowadays. But the beginning of 19th c had been entirely different phase in Muslim history when the Western oil mongers began to lose their laxity in exhibiting their unlimited desires in Muslim lands resource. No wonder that is how they are; they are parasite wherever you find them having no backbone of their own to stand alone. Obviously, Muslim land started to be colonized since 1800s only became more apparent in the beginning of 19th c. Muslims were politically subjugated by the European empires of Russia, Holland, Britain, and France. By the latter part of the eighteenth and in the beginning of 19th c century most of the Muslim lands had passed under European rule. British invaded and established brutal colony in Indian subcontinent, Palestine, Iraq, Arabian Gulf, Malaya, and Brunei; it also invaded Egypt in 1882. Germany invaded Indonesia establishing its brutal colony in Java and Sumutra. In 1881, France invaded Tunisia. In 1830 also, France invaded Algeria and establishing its brutal French policy and imposing cultural assimilation and large-scale European colonialism. It also invaded Morocco. Russia invaded Central Asia; and between 1865 and 1873 Tsarist Russia anihilated the independence of the central Asian emirate of Khokand; thus, establishing its brutal protectorate over the two other emirates of Khiya and Bukhara. In the face of 20th c Italy terrorized and invaded Tripolitania (modern Libya). Generally, the story as pointed out by Hans Kohn that: “in 1912 there hardly any Islamic state seemed destined to survive as an independent nation: Turkey and Persia appeared doomed to being partitioned or becoming spheres of influence; from Morocco to Java, from Bukhara to Decca, the vast majority of Muslims lived under British, Dutch, French, Italian, and Russian domination.” All this happened without a due cause; it is only based on the act of TERRORISM. You as a reader: what do you expect for these wretched people as they become spiritually and politically re-awakened in their thought? This is only a minute of early Western terrorism against the Muslims. I HISTORY never lies and I always tend to repeat myself. Today with the American invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq (and now heading to Iran) I am repeating myself. If you had missed the early western terrorism you are now witnessing the latest American terrorism in form of military invasion and aggression inflicting upon the same Muslim community”.

History stopped here and now I, the reporter returned: An imperative Question to put forward is: who ask the Europeans to enter the lands of others to militarily colonize them with all acts of terrorism? Or Did the Muslims enter the Western lands to subjugate them? Had the Western colonial terrorists did not invade other’s nations there would have been nothing like terrorism exist today. Until now the West continue to interfere with the affairs of Muslim lands so as to suppress them from implementing Islamic way of life or Islamic form of government (Islamocracy). They also apply military decision to terrorize Muslims to distract them from Shari’ah. All this is not terrorism but Muslim resistance is seriously deemed terrorism. What an International injustice!

THE ROOT CAUSE OF MIDDLE EAST CONFLICT – ISLAM AND THE WEST
A passage from my book “THE BATTLE: DEMOCRACY VS ISLAMOCRACY” (unpublished) reads thus: “What the entire world can see now from international conflict to insecurity, war and clash of civilization especially between the West and the Muslim world is a result of political tyranny, domination and hegemony of U.S villain power over the world nations particularly the Muslim countries. By all means of political and military power, the U.S super-terrorist government seeks to impose its will and foreign policy upon the Muslim countries. This in consequence, forced the Islamists and the Jihadists to defend their religion, nations and laws; thus, culminating in formidable reaction and resistance against American foreign policy by the Islamists. American villain power has won war by subjugating the leaders of the Muslim nation. Even though the Arab and Muslim leaders have abandoned the cause of Shari’ah and liberation of the Palestinian land, the Islamists and the Jihadists vowed to undertake it. This is the essence of Middle East conflict; and this is the essence of clash of civilization between the West and the Muslim world. American villain power wanted to impose its foreign policy upon the Muslim nation which the Muslim described as antithetical to their Shari’ah and norms and values. As a matter of fact, Islam does not accept or tolerate injustice, tyranny, or imposition of other’s will upon it, especially when this comes from its enemies. To accept this, is a disgrace and Islam has never dare to voluntarily or forcefully accept or tolerate disgrace. What the Muslims demand is that the U.S villain power should stop imposing its wills and policies upon the Muslim nations. It should let them regulate their state, politics, and life as bounded by their Shari’ah Ruling System. The only solution to the ongoing war between the Jihadist Muslims and the American power is that the U.S should accept and abide by the aforementioned proposal (i.e. the Muslim nations should be let freely to govern and regulate their socio-political life based on their Shari’ah Ruling System of government and without any foreign interference).”

AMERICAN TERRORISM AGAINST ISLAM
They have read in our source that Islam must inevitably establish itself as a global system of life particularly if Muslims continue to rule their life by Shari’ah Ruling Systems (SRS). In their attempt to suppress this powerful truth they employ all sort of military terrorist activities mostly under certain apparent pretext like that of September 11 attack. They continue to impose Democracy upon the Muslim nations so as to eliminate the influence of SRS. Today military invasion is permissible against any country that professes SRS in political concept of Islamic State. Thus Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan was annihilated. To further remove any Islamic resistance figure in their way to invade Middle East Iraq was invaded. Today, American Terrorist leaders (or call them SUPER-TERRORISTS) are heading to Islamic Republic of Iran. Moreover, as it turns out, American terrorists are sponsoring the illegitimate terrorist state of Israeli for its incessant brutal genocide against the legitimate state of Palestine. All these, due to Western craziness, are not terrorism but the resistance championed by some Islamic Jihadisst group as against Western terrorism is deemed a serious terrorism.


THE POWERFUL EVIDENCE – Western Terrorism Exposed
Item 1: Communist Terrorism
The entire world and Muslims in particular will never forget the Soviet communist terrorism and genocide against various communities of those days. Russian terrorism must have been inerasable in the Muslims’ memory. Between 1927 and 1939, seventeen million people were brutally extinguished in Russia. Bear in your mind that most of the communist leaders were Jews. And the number of people who were killed or died of hunger from 1917 until 1947, was 63, 800, 000 (sixty three million and eight hundred thousand). But all this was not terrorism but liberation of people in the eyes of Russian communists (mostly Jews). 14,000 mosques in Turkistan, 8,000 in Caucasus and Crimea and 4,000 in Tataristan were all destroyed by communist armies. More than 270, 000 Islamic scholars were brutalized. More than three million religious people were killed in Turkestan for they proclaimed God alone is our lord. When they entered into Afghanistan in 1979, the Russian communist armies attacked and destroyed villages and mosques meanwhile confiscating all sort of food and clothing and houses. They killed any Muslim they came across, women and children alike. When they reached the town of Kunday with their amour tankers they attacked a mosque killing hundreds of Muslims while praying. This is not terrorism but when the Muslims react it was then terrorism. Just as it is happening today in the case of American Terrorism vs Islam the story is all the same. Qur’an and many volumes of Hadith and other religious books were burnt in the streets in the city of Bukhara. Such injustice and terrorism was already described in the Qur’an: “….the kings corrupt any land they invade, and subjugate its dignified people. This is what they usually do” (Q27:34). When the Mujahideen were against the military occupation of Communist Russia in Afghanistan the US did not labeled them as terrorists; instead, they help (both militarily and financially) them to kick out Communist invaders. The same institution that reshape Jihadists activities yesterday are the ones who call the Mujahideen terrorist. This is a double standard in American unjust foreign policy.

ITEM 2: AMERICAN DEMOCRATIST TERRORISM
The irrefutable fact that establishes the relationship between Communist Terrorism and Democratist Terrorism is its conspicuous link with the Jews – to literally say the current American-western terrorism is the continuation of the previous Russian one. The Jews were the absolute perpetrators of communist terrorism just as they are of today’s American terrorism. The real terrorism is that which is motivated by the Jewish conspiracy. The story of real terrorism (yesterday and today) will never change since its perpetrators (the Jews) have vehemently proclaimed in their protocols that “It is from us that the all-enforcing terror proceeds.” (Jewish Protocols p.58). Thus, we must realize that the source of all terrorism is the Jews who now perpetrate it via the agency of American government. Both Russia and America, going by the Encarta definition of terrorism, must be considered as no.1 terrorists after Israel. Both of them were involved in about 50% (i.e. 31 0ut of 59) civil wars fought from 1945 – 1987 (known as Cold War period) that claimed about fifty million peoples’ lives! This is to sustain their political influence in the world. These are indeed the real terrorism. But, by anesthetizing people’s thought through their powerful purveys of median propaganda America and West in general wanted to convince the world that it was Muslims who are terrorists. Let us examine American Terrorism against the Muslims and world communities in general.

Fact 1: On August 20, 1999 U.S. President Bill Clinton ordered cruise missile strikes against targets in Sudan and Afghanistan. It attacked Al-qaeda Jihadists training camp. In this same terrorist attack the Pharmaceutical Factory in Khartoum (Sudan’s Capital) that produced almost 60% of Sudan’s Medicine was destroyed. The Crazy nation alleged that it suspected the factory for the possibility of producing chemical weapon which they don’t want Muslim nation to develop. They problem is that what you do which you know is wrong you always think others of doing the same. They destroyed it without a just cause. Wasn’t it terrorism? Point one.

Fact 2: Previously in 1986, American terrorist army dropped bombs in Libya alleging for its sponsoring terrorist attack that killed some Americans in Germany. But they provided no factual evidence for their claim. They dropped bombs in Libya without a just cause! Wasn’t it terrorism? This is point two.

Fact 3: On July 3, 1988, American Jetfighters struck down Iranian civilian plane killing all 290 innocent people. Although at that there was bitter skirmish between the US and Iran American soldiers had deliberately mistook civilian plane for Iranian jetfighter. Wasn’t it terrorism? This is point three.

Fact 4: After the Gulf war Iraq was economically sanctioned for the alleged violation of UN resolution (but America and Israel are hither to violating UN resolutions without arresting their illegal act by the UN). During the period of this unjust sanction 600,000 Iraqi Children were dead. David Duke (former American senator from the state of Illinois) wrote: “When she was Secretary of State, that horrific Jewish crone, Madeline Albright, stated on the “Sixty Minutes” television program that the death of 600,000 Iraqi Children was “worth it” to hurt Saddam Hussein…, If the head of American foreign policy publicly states that it is okay to cause the death over 600,000 babies and children in pursuit of political objectives, then bin Laden and many others reason that they have every moral right to kill American civilians in retaliation. This is point four.

Fact 5: American government had obliged Saddam into invading Iran and even supplied him with biological weapons of mass destruction to use them against Iran. Upon tasking Saddam into 8yrs war (Iraq-Iran War 1980- America had caused the death of over 2 million people from both Iran and Iraq. This is an act of disrupting peace in the world; and thus violating UN resolutions.

Fact 6: Terrorism upon Terrorism, as it turns out, producing or using of WMD is illegal according to Useless Nations Laws (sorry I mean United Nations). Saddam was attacked by the US government for having the same WMD which he was supplied with by America itself. I wonder how a rogue criminal that trained you in robbery yesterday comes today as a security force to arrest you. International community (UN) must have been terribly mad and intoxicated!

Fact 7: American terrorist government invaded Afghanistan and ejected the Islamic government allegedly to eliminate bn laden’s Alqaeda group which they claimed responsible for 9/11sept attack. They attacked and invaded Afghanistan unwisely and unjustly. No any factual evidence which is beyond a shred of doubt, to indicate bn Laden or any Islamic group’s complicity in 9/11 attack. Had the US terrorist government was sincere in its allegation it would have arraigned bn laden to the court of law instead of invading Afghanistan and causing the death of thousands of Muslim innocent lives all in the name of liberation. The most powerful evidence provided by the unwise ex-president of America can be known he shamelessly proclaimed that: “whether he (osama) did it or not we know he is guilty”. Ridiculous! Only with this ‘smoky’ evidence Bush, Tomy Blair, Donald Rumsfeld and other ‘black sheep’ among the US leaders, convicted bn laden in white house court of law. This is the most unwise judgement ever passed in the history of world’s people life. The judgement was made in an usual court with no judge, no lawyers; and even the suspect was absent. In less than 1hr after the attack the US rogue leaders were started fingering at bn laden. This indicates truth that the attack was a strategic set-up to justify their attack on Afghanistan in their attempt to eliminate the political presence of Islam in the Middle East. The story is just like how Guillaume Dasquie, the co-author of “Bn Laden: The Forbidden Truth” described it when he said in an interview: “9-11 was not just a mad act, it was a political act meant to create a good ground for a big war in all Central Asia. David Duke has shown us, with all powerful evidence, the Jewish complicity in that horrific event. He argued, basing his claim on reference to Jewish Newspaper, Harethz, and which he also found in Newsbytes – news service of Washington Post, that the Jews have foreknowledge of 9/11 attack but did not informed the US security force; but it only alerted its Jewish people. The story which he found in the aforementioned newspapers was titled: ““Instant Messages To Israel Warned of WTC attack. Another evidence that proved the Jews were behind the attack is that Bush’s most absurd lie which he made to the country on Thursday night mentioning that about 130 Israelis had died in the attacks. But ironically, as it turns out, it was found that only 3 Israeli had died ((New York Times, Sept. 22)34. Duke further argued that: “… there had been a prior warning for many Israelis. Having only one Israeli casualty among the 4500 dead at the WTC is simply a statistical impossibility.” From here we must have all evidence that 9/11 attack was a sheer lie against the Muslims: the gross lies made by American leaders and state Jewish controlled media about Jewish victims and the Bush’s unwise most powerful proof that: “whether he did it or not we know he is guilty” are a minute of many clear evidence of American-Jewish set up or plot in 9/11 attack.
Fact 8: Leading to war in Iraq by American super-terrorist government and its ability to go unscathed by the Useless Nations is among one of many world’s international injustice. American made a lie that Iraq distributed WDM to other world’s nations; and it has been producing Nuclear bomb; and it has complicity in 9/11 attack; and it has been supporting Al-qaedah group. Prior to the war all these claims were found baseless and proved wrong. But yet, the super-terrorist government turned its sanctimonious head and deaf ears to world’s ‘peace talk of dialogue and preferred to war. Perhaps there is tacit agenda behind its policy; it objective was to suppress Islam and eliminate the influence of Islam in the Middle East. Talking about distribution of WMD in the world American is a criminal no. 1; it is America that supplied Iraq with the WMD to use them against Iran. It thought that Saddam had reserved some; and he was now no longer with them and therefore he must be disarmed. Senator Robert Byrd disclosed to us when he stated in the U.S. Senate that America supplied many of the WDMs used in the Iraqi weapons program, with the expectation that Saddam would use them in their war against Iran. There is no evidential proof that Iraq has given WDMs to any terrorists or to any other nations in the world. America on the other hand supplied them to Iraq; Israel also has exported WMD (weapons of mass destruction) and its technology to other nations like South Africa. All these are crime according to UN resolution but neither America not Israel was punished. On this issue David Duke had this to say: “If America is supposed to bomb any nation that spreads biological and chemical weapons to other “rogue nations” than the American Air Force would have to bomb the White House along with Saddam’s palaces, because America, more than any other nation, has been the primary source for the spread of weapons of mass destruction to “rogue states” around the world, including Iraq itself! It is this kind of U.S. Government hypocrisy that makes the world think that the American Government has gone crazy”. Generally, the war in Iraq is absolutely against Islam and Muslim world based on the following established reasons and fact:
Eight Pre-War Claims Refuted:
• No weapons of mass destruction of any kind were found in Iraq.
• No mobile biological weapons labs were found in Iraq.
• Iraq did not seek to acquire yellowcake uranium from Africa.
• The aluminum tubes were not suitable for nuclear weapons development.
• Mohamed Atta, the alleged lead 9/11 hijacker, did not meet with Iraqi intelligence in Prague as US Senate claimed.
• Iraq did not provide chemical weapons training to al-Qaeda; but instead America supplied them to Iraq in their war with Iran and Israel supplied them to South Africa, and yet were not punished.
• There was no collaborative relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda.
• The implication that Iraq was involved in the attacks of 9/11 was untrue.

Fact 9: American support to the Israeli illegitimate terrorist state is among the most terrorist act committed by the US. One of the reason provided by America in attacking Iraq is that it violated UN resolution by invading Kuwait; but it did not punish Israel for the brutal invasion of Lebanon and the deaths of tens of thousands civilians. Instead it supplied Israel with weapons and billions of tax dollars used in the genocide. Ariel Sharon, a mass murderer of 1500 unarmed men women and children Sabra and Chatila was still honoured by American government instead to be punished.
Finally, America was involved in indisputable records of supporting bloody terrorism around the world. The double standards of UN resolutions and state Jewish controlled media in America have blocked all the truth to be seen by general world populace.

REFERECES:
• All Notes on Middle East conflict in Encarta 2009.
• War Against America; An Article by David Duke
• Israel and 11 September Attack; An Article by David Duke
• http://www.leadingtowar.com/claims_facts.php
• The Proof of Prophethood by Imam Ar-rabbani
• War on Iraq is Wrong; An Editorial Article in Jihadunpun.com
• Bush, Oil and Taliban; an Interview by Salon with Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie, the two authors of the book: “"Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth,"

Submitted By Salimullah

Nezan:
This is why I hate discussing with muslims who like going into circles, asking you to bring out verses which they themselves have seen in previous discussions with the aim of derailing topics. In all honesty, are you pretending not to see the thread abuzola opened to ridicule the Bible but ended up ridiculing himself and the koran? where he said the earth is a rug which can be spread on ostrich egg? be honest, man!

The simple way to refute me is to say that the verses mean that the earth is flat right! you most hate us since we stand to invalidate any useless and nonsense claim. Just bring a single Qur'anic verse saying earth is flat and I will give you a last blow. 50,000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE. NOTE THIS AND STOP CLAIMING QUR'AN IS UNSCIENTIFIC EVEN WESTERN SCHOLARS LIKE KEITH MOORE AND BUCAILLE APPRECIATE THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE QUR'AN. WHICH SCIENTIST CONFIRM THE BIBLE'S OWN SCIENTIFIC TRUTH.

Nezan:
What science are you talking about? the science and Bible that agree the earth is spherical or the science that disagree with the koran that the earth is flat? Didnt olabowale tell you about a thread here where he was saying the earth is a rug which can be placed on an ostrich egg? follow my arguments with toneyb and see whether the same can be made with the koran.

I previously told viaro that all the verses he quoted from the Qur'an do not mean that earth is flat. Tell me (if you can) a single verse that says earth is flat in the Qur'an. but the bible, due to its human-superstitious  nature not only says the earth is flat but also says that sun and moon are different independent light. But today science tells us that Sun is the independent light and that moon's light is reflected from the sun. it is interesting to note that Qur'an has already alluded to this scintific idea. Tell ME WHICH BETWEEN QUR'AN AND BIBLE IS COMMONLY AGREED WITH BY WESTERN SCIENTISTS! BUCAILLE HAS FINISHED WITH ALL THINGS. KNOW THAT BIBLE ALSO SAYS THE SKY HAS PILLARS. RIDICULOUS!!!

Nezan:
Stop quoting the Bible out of context. Even after testing that woman’s faith, Jesus healed her and claimed that her faith was unsurpassed even in Israel.

And you think your shallow explanation will wish away these verses from the Koran?

Verse 9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you."
It should be clear that this verse commands Muslims to wage war on all non-Muslims around them. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out.

Verse 47:3 - "When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly."
That is what I call a harsh religion. You are supposed to strike off the heads of those to whom you evangelize?

Verse 48:29 - "Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another."

Verse 66:9 - "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate."

verse 5:51 - "Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another."

Verse 4:101 - "The unbelievers are your inveterate foe."

I think you would have to be an idiot to not be able to see the hostile nature and commands for the Muslims. It is clear with just these verses that you people are commanded to wage war on all non-Muslims. You are commanded to fight to kill all non-Muslims including atheists, secularists, humanists, evolutionists, and all other religions but you will find that the Koran places special emphasis on killing off Jews and Christians. This is probably because of the rejection the Jews and Christians gave Muhammad. Keep in mind that I could easily have given you at least another 20 to 30 verses which are just as telling. This is why muslims in Northern Nigeria are always killing Christians residing there.

if i am qouting out of context then what of your qouting of the Qur'an. or Have you ever know the basis of revelation of the above cited Qur'an verses which you brought. And American govt. is inveterate enemy of Islam, am I RIGHT? Islam is agints all those whao are waging war on it and we have every moral right to resist the bullying powers. There is no single war agaisnt the non-muslims taking place in the north; but at yelwan shendam hither to, Muslims are being killed and their houses destroyed by the christians just as it is happening in Palestine by the Jews. where are you when the Muslim massacres of  Zangon Katab take place. Despite of your claim that Islam commands killing Jews and christs today the most ruthless killer that murdered maximum number of people is not a Muslim. who is he by religion? you know who is.  Even In Europe when scintists began to suggest that earth is spherical you started killing them, and by that time Islamic universities of sicnce and libraries are huge enough in Muslim spain, Baghdad and Sicly. what kind of religion !!

Nezan:
Jesus died to redeem us from our sins, and rose again the third day. He is presently sitting at YHWH’s right hand where He will come to judge the living and the dead, why mohammed’s corpse are rotten ia an Arabian grave.

Jesus can never be a muslim because He existed centuries before the founder of islam, mohammed was born, and mohammed’s message ran contrary to the teachings of Christ. Only a deluded slave of allah can believe in such a lie as you are posting.

True God (Allah) never died and will never die simply for our sin. True God simply want us to repent after our sins and he simply forgives us: “And I said: “Ask your sustainer to forgive your sins – for, verily he is all-forgiving (Q71:10); he don’t have to die to forgive our sins. How can you regard someone to be god but cannot forgive your sin without killing himself or being killed. Jesus was killed according to you; had he wills to die to forgive your sins he would have simply die on his own sake; but he was killed as you claimed. Or are you temporarily out of sense. What kind of this god simply fail to forgive his servants’ sin without dying? It is for this reason that many think Christians have gone crazy.

Muhammad (pbuh) was not the founder of Islam but a renewer of OLDEN ISLAM preached by Abraham, David, Noah, Jesus and many other. the Qur'an says forinstance: "Abraham was not a Jew, nor a Christian; but he was a MUSLIM, true in faith. He was not part of the polytheists." (Q3:67). Also if you are not a Muslim then you are not with Jesus even in the hereafter. Allah says: " Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have submitted (Muslims)" (Q3:84). I am a sincere preacher to you Nezan that to accept the truth today for tomorrow will be too late!!!!

Nezan:
@ OP;

Why are you confused? Do you think God depends on the sun and moon to create light? The Bible said that in heaven, there is no sun nor moon, but the light in heaven is overwhelming! Cant you stretch your imagination to notice that God can cause light to appear and disappear without depending on the sun and moon? Or are you limiting God to just sun and moon? Maybe you can limit allah, but definitely not YHWH!

YES OF COURSE, I CAN SEE YOU NOW DONT WANT SCIENCE TO TEST THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE. BUT YOU ALWAYS TUSE SCIENCE TO DESTROY THE TRUTH OF THE QUR'AN WHICH YOU NEVER SUCCEDD FOR SCIENCE TODAY OBEY THE QUR'AN'S STATEMENTS. gOD can do whatever he wish. Any way I may agree if with you only if the contemporary world agree to stop elevating scince over revelation. As far I science continue to be applied in testing the truth of the Qur'an (which it sis always found right) then bible (if you want us to beleive is completely divine) most stand scintific test (which it can never stand for as we all know form Bucaillistic papers).

Nezan:
Jesus accepted worship. This is not adoration of a mere prophet, but praise and worship due only to God.

How can Jesus be a muslim when He existed hundreds of years before the founder of islam, mohammed was even born. This is hilarious and a delusion of the highest order!

If Jesus is God why was he died. the true God never died. Infact how can a human can kill God as some of your invented docrine claimed that he was kille d by some among your forefatjers.

The reason why Jesus is a Muslim is because all the prophets of Allah (including Isah – Jesus -  had preached Islam and nothing more. Even in the bible the concept of Islam (submission) is there in succinct manner. The way Muslims pray is there but there is no any mentioning of church gathering. Not even the word “bible” can we find in the whole of the so called Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Thus, “bible” is just a label. Who had given it that name we don’t know. If the bible is the word of God how came it that God had written a whole book but forgot to give it name! If He called it Bible, we ask, in which chapter and verse? Also, we muslims believe that jesus professed Islam (Quran 61v6). If somebody out there retorts: “no, Jesus professed Christianity”, we ask: where in the “bible” is the word “christianity” mentioned?

Abuzola 1:
Jesus said 'is it not written in your law,' i said you are gods ? If he came to them gods to whom the word of God came' john 10:35

this shows that every man of God is a God. Hilarious that you christian are ignorant of your bible. Long live Islam

OH! THE STUATION IS LIKE, BUT I DONT KNOW. IS THAT MEAN NEZAN, TOLUXO, TONEYB AND I CAN ALSO BE CONSIDERED gods. IF THAT THE CASE, WALLAHI ABUZOLA I MUST PROCLAIM NOT EVEN TO MEN BUT JINNS THAT CHRISTIANITY MUST HAVE BEEN NONSENSE. ALL PEOPLE IN THE WOLRD ARE gods!!!!!!!!!

Nezan:
What stupid reasoning are you spewing? If mohammed can plagiarise the Bible, twist Biblical stories and mix them with a spice of Arabic fairy tale and put it into the mouth of the idol, called allah, who was placed in the ka’aba alongside his three daughters and other over three hundred idols, how can you insinuate that those words were not written under God’s inspiration?

How do you expect me to ask God to utter His words directly to you from heaven, confirming to you that Jesus is God? Only God can do that, and I cannot dishonestly claim to be God!

It is not fault that made bible to be written by men. The historian priest wrote it and it why Dr. W. Graham Scroggie of the MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE, says in page 17 of his book under the heading "It is Human yet divne: "Yes, the Bible is human, though some, out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, 1 have denied this. Those books2 have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men, and bear in their style the characteristics of men." It is known that prophet Muhammad had been unlettered even in the Qur'an how can you say he wrote the Qur'an. and Imust ask you again which God says in the bible Jesus is another God. I can see you mentioning Thomas say, Is it the thomas that gave the Jesus title of God.

Nezan:
The Koran can never be meant for Christians and Jews when it commanded you muslims to kill Christians and Jews wherever you see them, and never to make friends with them.

The Koran can never be the final message to us because its doctrines runs contrary to the teachings of all prophets preceding mohammed, and he was never mentioned in any Biblical prophecy.

Mohammed just rode on the ignorance of arabs to reinvent allah, the idol of the kuraish tribe which was housed in the ka’aba together with its three daughters and the other numerous idols.

Go to the threads on the contradictions in the Koran and you will be amazed at the various inconsistencies in the Koran that your fellow NL muslims have not been able to explain away.

You can also visit the numerous threads here dealing with it and contribute there. But who was God referring to when He was always addressing Himself in the plural, Elohim in the scriptures? You can open a thread on this and I will engage you there.

If I say this right you will say that wrong. I mentioned that Jesus proclaimed in Gospel of Mathew, Ch. No. 15, Verse No. 24…  ‘I am not sent, but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.’ This is a clear quote in the bible that Jesus was only sent to save the family of Israel. Who are the family of Israel? The world knows who are they – they are not European or any other continental purported Christians. Which messenger was sent to Christians? No body! And I now brought to you that the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sent to entire mankind including the Jews, and also Christians if any. Q34:28 says: “nd We have not sent thee (O Muhammad) save as a bringer of good tidings and a warner unto all mankind; but most of mankind know not”. The simple to refute this powerful truth that I brought is to quote a Qur’anic verse (if any) that says he was sent to a particular generation e.g. to say Arabs, just as I quoted the bible for confirming the truth that Jesus was only meant to the Jews. You claimed that Islam is not meant to include  the Jews and Christians since it command to kill them wherever they are met. Where did you get this command in the Qur’an. Your problem is that you always quote the Qur’an out of context. My neighbour at home is a Christian and we eat and converse together. My co-partner in my present school domicile is also Christian and sometime I reply to you while he is with me. We cook, eat and drink together. If were commanded to kill the Christian I would have killed since; Zakir naik would have killed William Campbell during their debate; all Christians and Jews in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Oman and Iraq would have been all killed. It is a sheer lie to Muslims were commanded in the Qur’an to kill all Jews and Christians wherever they meet them. When Allah says in 9:5: “Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush….” It is only meant in the context of war while at the battle field. For instance the Talibans are at war with the US; so wherever the Taliban’s army meet the American soldier he should kill him and vice versa. This is the meaning and nothing more and it is the reason why I am now living with Christian friend in school and home as well and I did not kill him because it is forbidden in Islam; even his cat or goat is forbidden for me to kill in Islam. The full right of non-muslim is fully established in Islam. In the subsequent verses (9:6-7) Allah continues to say:

“And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the word of Allah; and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not. How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty”. ALLAHU AKBAR AND HE MUST BE THE EXALTED!!!!            

I DONT NEED ANY THREAD BUT YOU NOW BRING (IF YOU CAN) ANYTHING WHICH YOU THINK IS CONTRADICATION IN THE QUR'AN AND I WILL GIVE YOU A LAST BLOW OF DEFEAT.

Nezan:
Jesus is fully God and fully man, which was the character He needed to act as a suitable mediator between God and man.


• “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…. No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.” – John 1:1


• “Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” – John 20:28

such word are only wrote by the compilers of bible and not for God.

WHO IS THOMAS? IS HE THE FATHER GOD WHICH YOU CLAIM? I NEED A DIRECT UTTERENC FROM God confirming Jesus is another God. this is a blasphemy
fully God fully man. RIDICULOUS AND ILLOGICAL

ANOTHER BLOW ON VIARO,
I correct myself now, despite the fact that sometimes  the interpreters of the Qur’an make errors; however the scholars you have cited above did not make one (although previously I alluded to this view). From among the different citations that you have provided which one that interprets the verse to mean earth is flat. Whether stretch-out, extended, spread out, smooth out, or expanse, all do not mean that they commentators maintain that earth is flat as you want us to believe. If I for instance, say the water is spread all over the egg am I right? The usage of the word ‘spread’ does not imply that the egg is flat. Since I realize that the root word of ‘dahhaha’ can have many meanings among which are spread out, expand, stretch or egg-shape-like I can now say: any can be correct and without contradiction. If you look at an extended empty surrounding you can see the soil or land there spread out and you can even draw different shape on it (triangle, rectangle, circle e.t.c). Therefore scholars like maududi, Asad, pickthall e.t.c interpreted the verse in reference to such physical obvious nature of the earth as you see it visibly with your eyes. Then if science come today and tells us that the general single appearance of earth in solar system is spherical then that cannot mean to destroy the meaning of the Qur’an since the word ‘Dahhaha’ which was used in the Qur’an has another meaning of egg-shape of sphereness. Contemporary scholars interpret the verse with meaning (egg-shape). Tyabo (2004) had this to say:  “Soliman (1985), interpreted it as: “After this he shaped the earth like an egg”.  He explained further that the Arabic word for “to shape like an egg” is ‘daha’. Its noun is dahiah, which the Arabs still use to mean egg. To Soliman the verse corrected the wrong theories and general belief in the mediaeval period that lasted from about CE500 to CE1450 that the earth is flat and stationary and that it was the centre of the universe around which all the heavenly bodies revolve….the ancient expositors found its interpretation in this form (egg-shape) could be misleading. Therefore, they shunned it  and interpreted it by “stretched out” and thus obscured the scientific light of this wonderful sign”. In any case the Qur’an never described the flatness of earth in nature as human bible did; and the interpreters of the Qur’an, despite their different interpretation like stretched out, spread, did not interprete the verse to mean the earth is flat.

before they were chosen by allah but later accursd them for thier infidelity and arrogance. today the only chosen servant of allah the most rightful believer and i have no doubt that we are, (the muslims)

TESTIFY BY YOURSELF: ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY
BY
Salim I. Hassan (Salimullah)


Qur’an says in Surah Rad, Ch. 13, Verse. 38, that… ‘We have given several Revelations.’  But name, only 4 are mentioned (and we the Muslims believe in the all on profound conviction)- The Torah, the Zaboor, the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur’an. The Torah is the ‘Wahi’ the ‘Revelation’, which was given to Prophet Moses, peace be upon him. The Zaboor  is the ‘Wahi’, which was given to David, peace be upon him. The Injeel is the ‘Wahi’, the ‘Revelation’ which was given to Jesus, peace be upon him. And Qur’an is the last and final Revelation, which was given to the last and final Messenger Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him. Let me make it very clear to every one, that this Bible which the Christians believe to be the word of God, is not the ‘Injeel’ which we Muslims believe, was revealed to Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. This Bible according to us, it may contain the words of God - But it also contains words of Prophets, words of historians, it contains absurdities, obscenity, as well as innumerable scientific errors. (quoted from: Qur’an And The Bible In The Light Of Science  by Dr. Zakir Naik).
1ST Comment
For those who are not aware, that the word ‘Bible’ is a Greek word which denotes a collection of writings composed of assorted opinions and thoughts of different authors. This is an exact nature of present Christian Bible. Even the title ‘Bible’ was never mentioned in the Gospel for even one time. So then how could one dare to attribute this modern bible to the Word of God? Despite it contains some Words of God this does not prevent its human admission and omission to be felt and influence much more than the actual contents of God’s word. – Editor

Is The Bible God’s Word”
Deedat speaks: “CHRISTIANS CONFESS: Dr. W. Graham Scroggie of the MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE, Chicago, one of the most prestigious Christian Evangelical Mission in the world, answering the question — "Is the Bible the Word of God?" (also the title of his book), under the heading: IT IS HUMAN, YET DIVINE. He says on page 17: "Yes, the Bible is human, though some, out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, have denied this. Those books have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men, and bear in their style the characteristics of men." (Emphasis added).
Another erudite Christian scholar, Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, says on page 277 of his book, "The Call of the Minaret": "Not so the New Testament . . . There is condensation and editing; there is choice, reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the Church behind the authors. They represent experience and history."
Mrs. Ellen G. White, a "prophetess" of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, in her Bible Commentary Vol. 1, page 14, has this confession to make about the fallibility of the "Holy Bible." "The bible we read today is the work of many copyists who have in most instances done their work with marvellous accuracy. But copyists have not been infallible, and god most evidently has not seen fit to preserve them altogether from error in transcribing."
The most vociferous of all the Bible-thumpers are the Jehovah's Witnesses. On page 5 of their "FOREWORD" mentioned earlier, they confess: "In copying the inspired originals by hand the element of human frailty entered in, and so none of the thousands of copies extant today in the original language are perfect duplicates. The result is that no two copies are exactly alike".
Unfulfilled Prophecies in the Bible
Dr. Zakir Naik speaks: “For example if you read Genesis, Chapter No. 4, Verse No. 12, it says… ‘God told Cain: you will never be able to settle you will be a wanderer.’ Few Verses later on Genesis, Chapter No.4, Verse No.17, says…‘Cain built up a city’ – unfulfilled prophecy. If you read Jeremiah, Chapter No.36, Verse No.30, it says that…‘Jehoiachin the father of Jehoiachin… no one will be able to sit on his throne - The throne of David, no one will be able to sit after Jehoiachin.’ If you read later on, II Kings, Chapter No 24, Verse No 6, it says that… ‘Jehoiachin after he died, later on Jehoiachin sat on the throne’ - Unfulfilled prophecy. One is sufficient to prove it is not the word of God - I can give plenty. If you read Ezekiel, Chapter No 26, it says that…‘Nebuchader, he will destroyed Tyre.’ We come to know that Alexander the great, was the person who destroyed Tyre - Unfulfilled prophecy. Isaiah, Chapter No. 7, Verse No 14, says, prophesying of…‘The coming of a person who will be born to a virgin - his name shall be Emmanuel.’ They say… the Christians - it refers to Jesus Christ peace be upon him. Born to a virgin - the Hebrew word there is ‘amla’, which means not ‘a virgin’- ‘a young lady.’ The word for ‘virgin’ in Hebrew is, ‘baitula’, which is not there. Even if you agree - we are using concordance - we agree… ‘Virgin’… ‘Virgin’ - No problem. It says… ‘He will be called Immanuel.’ No where in the Bible is Jesus Christ peace be upon him, is called as Immanuel - Unfulfilled prophecy. I can give several, plenty unfulfilled prophecies - One is sufficient to prove the Bible wrong - I have given a few”.

Scientific Errors in the Bible by Dr. Zakir Naik
Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… ‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’.  How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day? - It is unscientific. Further, the, Bible says Genesis, Ch. 1, and Verses 9 to 13… ‘Earth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth?  The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day?

What does the Bible say regarding ‘Hydrology’? Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.9, Verse No.13 to 17, that… ‘After God, at the time of Noah submerged the world by flood, and after the flood’ subsided, He said… ‘I put up a rainbow in the sky as a promise to the humankind never to submerge the world again, by water. To the unscientific person it may be quite good…  ‘Oh rainbow is a sign of Almighty God, never to submerge the world by flood again.’ But today we know very well, that rainbow is due to the refraction of sunlight, with rain or mist. Surely there must have been thousands of rainbows before the time of Noah, peace be upon him. To say it was not there before Noah’s time you have to assume that the law of refraction did not exist - which is unscientific.

It is mentioned in the Proverbs, Chapter No. 6, Verse No. 7, that… ‘Ant has got no ruler, no sear, no chief.’ Today we know that ants are sophisticated insects. They have a very good system of labour, in which they have chief, they have foreman, they have workers. They even have a queen, they have a ruler - Therefore Bible is unscientific.

‘Mathematics’ is a branch, which is closely associated with science, with which you can solve problems, etc. There are thousands of contradictions in the Bible - hundreds deal with mathematics…, It is mentioned in the 2nd Kings, Ch. No 24, Verse No 8, that…‘Jehoiachin was 18 years old, when he began to reign Jerusalem, and he reigned for 3 months and 10 days. 2nd Chronicles, Ch. No 36, Verse No 9, says that…‘Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign and he reigned for 3 months, 10 days. Was Jehoiachin 18 years when he began to reign, or was he 8 years old? Did he reign for 3 months, or did he reign for 3 months 10 days? Further it is mentioned in the 1st Kings, Ch. No 7, Verse No 26, that…‘In Solomon’s temple, in his molten sea, he had 2000 baths. In 2nd Chronicles, Ch. No 4, Verse No 5, he had 3000 baths. Did he have 2000 baths or did he have 3000 baths?,  Further more it is mentioned in the First Kings, Ch. No. 15, Verse No. 33, that… ‘Basha, he died in the 26th year of reign of Asa.’ And 2nd Chronicles Ch. No 16, Verse No 1, says that…‘Basha invaded Judah in the 36th years of the reign of Asa.’ How can Basha invade 10 years after his death?  - It is unscientific…,  We agree in Jesus Christ peace be upon him - to him was revealed the Injeel. This is not the Injeel  - It may contain part of God - But the other unscientific portion is not the word of God.

2ND Comment
All these are not the words of God; rather they are human admissions, for God is highly flawless and would not speak error or establish unfulfilled prophecy. Of the modern Gospel fits its name as Bible – a Greek word which means a collection of different writings by different authors. This fact makes Bible to be not the word of God in its entire form.

Jesus excludes Christianity from his mission
Jesus Christ peace be upon him said in the Gospel of Mathew, Ch. No. 15, Verse No. 24…  ‘I am not sent, but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.’ So Jesus Christ and the Bible, were only meant for the children of Israel, (the gentiles – Muslims, Christians, Buddhist, e.t.c were all exempted)

(But) The Qur’an is meant for the whole of humanity including the Jews and Christs, and it is meant to be for eternity. Qur’an says in Surah Ibrahim, Ch. 14, Verse. 52, in Surah Baqarah Ch. No. 2, Verse 185, and Surah Zumar Ch. 39, Verses. 41, that the Qur’an is meant for the whole of human kind. And Prophet Mohammed, may peace be upon him, was not sent only for the Muslims or the Arabs. Allah says in the Qur’an in Surah Ambiya Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 107------(Arabic)----That We have send thee as a mercy, as a guidance, to the whole of humankind. (This meant that this noble Qur’an must the final message to the Jews, Christians, and Muslims as such they should follow it wholeheartedly).

Trinity Condemned
Dr. Zakir Naik speaks: “Let us check with the concept of ‘trinity’- Concept of trinity – Father, son, and holy ghost – Form… they say… ‘Form changes.’ ¬¬¬¬¬¬Okay for the sake of argument, we agree. ¬¬¬¬¬¬Does the component change? ¬¬¬¬¬¬God and holy Ghost are made of spirit - Human beings are made of flesh and bones - They are not the same. ¬¬¬¬¬¬Human beings require to eat - God does not require to eat, to survive - They are not the same. ¬¬¬¬¬¬And this is testified by Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, himself in the Gospel of Luke, Chapter No. 24, Verse No. 36 to 39. He says that… ‘Behold my hands and feet - Handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones.’ ¬¬¬¬¬¬He says… ‘Behold my hands and feet - Handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones.’ ¬¬¬¬¬¬And he gave his hands, and they saw, and they were overjoyed. ¬¬¬¬¬¬And he said that… ‘Do you have any meat to eat ?’ ¬¬¬¬¬¬And they gave him broiled fish and a piece of honeycomb - And he ate. ¬¬¬¬¬To prove what? That he was God? ¬¬¬¬¬¬To prove that he was not God. ¬¬¬¬¬¬He ate, and he is flesh and bones - A spirit has got no flesh and bones. ¬¬¬¬¬¬This proves that it is scientifically not possible that Father, son and Holy Ghost - Father, Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, and Holy Ghost, is Almighty God. ¬¬¬¬¬¬And the concept of ‘trinity’, - the word ‘trinity’ does not exist anywhere in the Bible. ¬¬¬¬¬¬The word trinity is not there in the Bible - But it is there in the Qur’an. ¬¬¬¬¬¬Qur’an says in Surah Nisa, Chapter No. 4, Verse No. 171, it says…. (Arabic)…. ¬¬¬¬¬¬Do not say trinity…. (Arabic)…desist stop it!  It is better for you.’¬¬¬¬¬¬ Trinity is also there in Surah Maidah, Chapter No.5, Verse No.73, which says …(Arabic)… ¬¬¬¬¬¬They are doing ‘Kufr’ - They are blaspheming - those who say that Allah in 3 in one - Is a triune God. ¬¬¬¬¬¬ Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, never said he was God - The concept of trinity does not exist in the Bible. ¬¬¬¬¬¬The only verse which is closest to the concept of ‘trinity’, is the 1st Epistle of John, Chapter No.5, Verse No.7, which says… ‘For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the word and the holy ghost, and these 3 are one. ¬¬¬¬¬¬But if you read the Revised Standard Version, revised by 32 scholars… Christian scholars, of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co-operative denominations, they say… ‘This verse of the Bible - 1st Epistle of John, Chapter 5 Verse No.7 is an interpolation, is a concoction, is a fabrication’ - It was thrown out of the Bible. ¬¬¬¬¬¬Jesus Christ peace be upon him, never claimed Divinity. ¬¬¬¬¬¬There is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ peace be upon him says…  ‘I am God’ - or where he says… ‘Worship me’. ¬¬¬¬¬¬Infect if you read the Bible, it is mentioned in the Gospel of John, Chapter No.14, Verse No.28 - he said…‘My Father is greater than I’; Gospel of John, Chapter No.10, Verse No.29…‘My Father is greater than all’; Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.12, Verse No.28…‘I cast out devils with the spirit of God’; Gospel of Luke, Chapter No.11, Verse No.20…‘I with the finger of God, cast out devil’; Gospel of John, Chapter No.5, Verse No.30… ‘I can of my own self do nothing’…‘I can of my own self do nothing - As I hear, I judge and my judgement is just, for I seek not my own will, but the will of my Father.’ Anyone who says… ‘Not my will but God’s will’ - he is a Muslim. Muslim means the person who submits his’ will to almighty God. Jesus Christ peace be upon him said…‘Not my will but God’s will.’¬¬¬¬¬¬ He was a Muslim - and he was Alhamdulillah, one of the mightiest messengers of God. ¬¬¬¬¬¬We believe…We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention. ¬¬¬¬¬¬We believe he gave life to the dead, with God’s permission. ¬¬¬¬¬¬We believe that he healed those born blind, and lepers with God’s permission. ¬¬¬¬We respect Jesus Christ peace be upon him, as one of the mightiest messenger of God. ¬¬¬¬¬¬But he is not God, and he is not a part of the trinity - Trinity does not exist. ¬¬¬¬¬¬ Qur’an says…. (Arabic)… ‘Say He is Allah, one and only’.”  ¬¬¬¬¬¬
I proclaim that Bible cannot stand scientific test of facts but has today, become a source of religious as well as scientific information.
I may conclude with the Buccaile’s confession that: “Scientific statements……. are only one specific aspect of the Islamic revelation which the Bible does not share. MORE ARE TO COME INSHA'ALLAH BECAUSE ALMOST 50,000 ERRORS ARE INHERNET IN THE BIBLE WHICH WAS WRITTEN BY DIFFERENT HISTORIANS WITH SOME WORDS OF GOD.
Submitted by Salimullah

Nezan:
You mean mohammed's arabic was different from those of the other arabs who were following him? you also mean that it now takes science to understand arabic when koran contradicts science in regards to the shape of the earth? you people are just funny, you claim koran was a miracle but today, even you muslims wont understand it without science? what a delusion!

No wonder a low-minded person can understand it in that abnormal way. But I did not mean the Arabic of the prophet era is different from the later type; I am only trying to explain the inconsistency of some scholars in interpreting the Qur’an. The Noble Qur’an was indeed miracle appealing to the world but you people of rough belief venerate science most to the extent you make it funal criteria to test the truth of God. We are not making science to confirm the Qur’an at the espense of the Truth of the Qur’an in itself, by itself and with itself; we are only using your own final weapon (science) to destroy your thought and belief. The people I am addressing to are not Muslims; I have to use what the glorify most (science) to convince their thought. I am a sincere preacher to you; the to accept the truth once it comes to you. I should now turn to other side: VIARO claimed that sphereness of the earth was long thought out by early greek philosopher. This is lie and the Qur’an never copied anything from Greek source. Zakir Naik quoting Dr. Keith moor says: “that… ‘Hypocrites and the other people like Gallon, etc, they did give a lot of thing to embryology, initially, as well as Aristotle’ - Many were right, many were wrong.’ And further he goes to says… ‘In the middle ages, or at the time of the Arabs, the Qur’an speaks about something additional.’ If it was exactly copied, why would Dr. Keith Moore in his book, give due credit to the Qur’an. He even gives due credit to Aristotle, to Hypocrites - but mentioned there… ‘Many were wrong.’ That, he does not mention with the Qur’an. That is enough proof, that Qur’an was not copied from the Greek time. Regarding ‘light of the moon.’… ‘Light of the moon’ was copied from Greeks. You will tell me that… ‘The world is spherical’ was copied from Greeks. I know the Pthogorous, the Greeks lived in 6th century B.C. who believed that the