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One, signing the judgement is one of the requirements for a valid ruling. However, in a panel of judges, apart from signing, you must have an opinion either written or expressed. The question is what judgement is the member 2 signing? She actually signed the judgement of the chairman and not her own. 2. I maintain that there's no valid tribunal judgement. It's a split decision read by 2 different judges. For one of the ruling to be ruling of the tribunal, the third judge must side one way or another by written or expression. Which of the judgement do you want the appellate courts to adjudicate on? 3. The Supreme Court has not made pronouncement on whether section 292 of the Constitution applies to tribunal because it has never happened before that a member of election tribunal will not give judgement in open court. ejimatic: |
The first and major issue that will be determined by the appellate courts is if there's a valid tribunal judgement before them. If they decide there's none, then the purported tribunal judgment will be nullified and order a retrial. semmyk: |
By import, it will apply to the tribunal or any judicial commission where there is more than one judge adjudicating. In 2018 Osun election case, the appeal and supreme Courts emphasized that every member must present at all times and have opinions on the matter before them. The appellate courts dismissed the majority judgement of the tribunal because the judge that wrote the leading judgement was absent for one day during the trial. ejimatic: |
How is majority or minority judgement determined in a panel of judges as applicable in supreme Court, court of appeal, judicial commission or tribunal? Every judge in that such panle must have an opinion expressed or written whether to concur or object to the lead rulling. Anything contrary cannot stand. This is a schoolboy error by the 2nd member of the tribunal. You have to say or write something; even simple words like 'I concur to the lead judgement' will suffice. ejimatic: |
There's no valid judgment of the tribunal that the appeal or supreme Court will adjudicate on. The appeal and supreme Court will ask for retrial by different panel which will become academic exercise because of time. semmyk: |
I have said this in the days after the judgment that there's no tribunal judgment. The chairman and member 2 have just wasted everyone's time. chrisxxx: |
Few points on this judgement: 1. The first report given to APC actually showed over-voting in more than 700 polling units. It is actually around 1500 polling units or thereabout including units APC won. Therefore, the alleged over-voting is widespread although APC based their petition on units they lost (700). This was alluded to in the minority judgement. Therefore, it is not restricted to where PDP won. 2. The second report given to PDP was better but was also showing over-voting in some units as well. The majority ruling of the tribunal claimed that INEC colluded with PDP in the pendency of the petition by APC to produce the second reports. However, this argument is puerile at best by two reasons (a) PDP is entitled to ask for the same forms/reports given to APC to defend the petition and can only ask for it in the pendency of the petition. Why would the winner of election ask for BVAS report? PDP won the election. They asked for the report after studying the petition of APC. (b) The second BVAS report cannot be said to be tampered with because it still showed over-voting as claimed by APC although in less polling units across the state. 3. The two reports are contradictory leaving the PDP to then ask for physical inspection of the BVAS machines. At least the reports are generated by BVAS machines. The BVAS machines were brought to the open court and inspected and the data there correspond with the election results. Now, there were three evidences. 2 BVAS reports (printed from server, mind you) and one physical reports of the BVAS machines in the open court. In fact the two BVAS reports are not in tandem with the results of the physical inspection of the BVAS machines. The majority ruling decided to go with first BVAS report, neglecting 2nd BVAS validly given to PDP and the data on the BVAS itself. 4. In the majority judgement, the judge harped heavily and compared the veracity of the two BVAS reports. He said the 2nd BVAS report is doctored. Okay, but what of the BVAS machines itself? Is it also doctored? The tribunal gave permission to inspect the machines by the two parties and everyone in court saw there was no over-voting in BVAS machines but the tribunal didn't even take a position on the results of BVAS inspection in their ruling. 5. The tribunal didn't dabble into whether the results of BVAS machines inspection are accurate or tampered with as well. The question is, are BVAS machines tampered with as well? I will answer in negative by two reasons: (a) we learned that only the chairman of INEC and director of ICT can have access to data stored on the BVAS machines. Even one of them cannot access the machines data without the cooperation of other. We all know that immediately after election and after tribunal started sitting, the BVAS machines were housed in the tribunal and not with INEC in Osogbo. (b) The second reason why I believe that the machines were not tampered with was because the inspection of the machines showed over-voting in 6 units. If INEC had tampered with it, no polling units will report over-voting. 5. There were 3 members of the tribunal. The chairman wrote the leading judgment and other member wrote minority judgement. The third member of the panel did not agree with either the majority or minority judgements in the open court. After reading of the judgment by the chairman, the third member only greeted people and say goodbye. No concurrence or otherwise. I dare to say there is no judgement of that tribunal. In conclusion, I believe the fight is actually against BVAS machines to erode the confidence of people on the machines or INEC and bring apathy in the forthcoming general election. Everybody should endeavour to get their PVC and vote wisely. Your vote will count. |
Sincerely i dont understand that judge and his intent. A judge just saying someone forged a document without any recourse to the issuing authority and neglecting the CTC of the earlier judgement of higher court clearing the defendant of the same issues. I think the judge is just catching fun! Because i could you say in one breath that someone forged a certificate and going ahead to say he is qualifying to contest. I believe he just put that statement there for the sake of propaganda. FromTopToBottom: |
No problem sir/ma. The clearing of Adeleke of forgery in 2018 was actually a full blown court trial in high court and he won up till appellate court. Adeleke certificate and testimonial was not cleared by court affidavit. Thanks for your humility. Mhyles: |
Take it easy my brother/sister. You don't need to abuse me. I dont think I have said anything deserving your abuse. Either testimonial or certificate, Adeleke was cleared by court by the testimomy of the school principal and WAEC representative. Mhyles: |
Then you dont know about the case. He was cleared of the testimonial in higher court. The principal came to court in respect of testimonial while WAEC came in respect to WAEC result. This was in 2018. APC was even in power at the time. garfield1: |
Because the judge is playing to the gallery. I cant understand this judge at all. Judge doesn't give to propaganda but facts. The fact as at this evening is that the higher court has cleared Adeleke of any forgery. Indispensable85: |
I think this tribunal chairman has some personal issues with Ademola Adeleke. The same testimonial has been adjudged okay by Appeal Court (or is it supreme Court?). Testimonial will bear the current date and name of the institution. If you go to OAU now to collect any certification, it will bear OAU even if you went to school when it was called University of Ife. The principal of the said school even testified in high court in 2018 that the testimonial was just issued and it was authentic. The judge is ridiculous and pandering to either emotion or some other sentiment or both. You can't just say someone forged a document and still say he is qualified to contest. Funny enough the PDP lawyers tendered the CTC of Appeal Court judgment exonorating Adeleke of forgery but as he did with other evidences, the tribunal chairman just overlooked it. |
May I ask which is more important, BVAS machine or its report?Adeleke cannot ask of BVAS report since he won election. He only asked for it after APC filled their petition. Therefore, both BVAS reports are from INEC and are legitimate. Unfortunately, both reports are contradictory. When asked INEC why it produces two dissimilar reports, INEC said they were still updating their machines when the reports were made. Mind you electoral act mandated INEC to regularly do this. INEC contended that APC asked for the report just 24 hours after the election leading to the inconsistencies while updating is ongoing. Now there's problem with the 2 BVAS reports and judge cannot cheerypick. Now how will it be resolved? The BVAS machine itself which contain the reports will be needed to decide the actual data. BVAS machines were brought to the open court and the data on it confirms that there was no over-voting except in 6 polling units. This was proved in the open court and was not countered by APC. However, the majority ruling said he believed in the report (giving to APC) than the source where it was generated, the BVAS machines. There are 3 materials needed to confirm or refute over-voting in election according to my reading of 2022 electoral act. They are results sheets, voters register and BVAS machines. APC didn't plead voters register in their petition, but the tribunal said it doesn't matter. I think it's not yet uhuru! seunmsg: |
I want to ask some questions from the legal minds on this platform: 1. If a chairman/or any member of a panel or tribunal write and read the judgment, is it compulsory for other judges to agree or disagree in the open court? 2. What happens if other judge/member didn't agree with the lead judgement in the open court but was found to have signed the judgment? Is it acceptable? 3. What materials are needed to confirm or refute over-voting in the new 2022 electoral act. 4. What is more important in evidence law, primary or secondary evidence? Thanks you all. |
If PDP wins in SS, comes second in SW and SE, and wins overall northern votes, Atiku then is the winner. senatordave1: |
My brother, we must be realistic in our projection unless we will be disappointed. SW people are very sophisticated set of people who always have independent opinions. So, Tinubu may not get the bulk votes of yoruba notwithstanding he is a yoruba himself. A lot is working against him in the region. Apart from the sophistication of yoruba people, the government of Buhari is a disaster and it's making campaigns for APC in SW harder than usual. Ask those who are in the field, they will tell you. Oyetola, though has his shortcomings, lost osun largely to Buhari misgovernance. Besides, some governors in the APC especially in ondo and ogun are not doing well according to street talks and it is making things harder. Lagos: if the voter suppression doesn't work, then Tinubu may win the state with not more than 200k votes. Ogun: APC will win but again with minimal votes. The governor performance is not helping matters. Oyo: PDP is strong in oyo irrespective of G5. Tinubu will win with marginal votes again. Ekiti: Tinubu will win convincingly, however the total registered voters are small. Ondo: PDP is strong in ondo, and coupled with Akeredolu second term performance, the state votes will be divided. Osun: PDP may likely win osun or lose by less than 50k votes. All these and Obi movement will decimate Tinubu votes (and Atiku too) in SW. The only hope is the North. Let's wait and see till the end of January if Atiku momentum in the North will die off or peak. The problem of Tinubu is lack of strong foothold in other Southern States apart from SW as against Atiku who will have some serious votes in all the 6 regions. Dsalvo: |
However, the subtotal (around 80%) given for Tinubu in SW is unrealistic. The highest SW votes Tinubu will get will be around 40-45%. I dare to say that Obi and Tinubu will cancel themselves out in SW, SE and SS in term of votes. Atiku will have the least votes in the South of Nigeria. However, if there's huge turnout in the SE, the votes of Obi in SW and SE may be able to cancel out Tinubu votes in the SW leaving obi to have some votes in the SS as reserve to counter whatever is coming from the North. The truth is that the election will be won and lost in the North. Overall, Atiku will win the North but may lose if he doesn't come second in the South. Obi must win NC Overall if he will win the election. Tinubu can only win the election if he comes first Overall in the North because his southern votes will be not be huge. Lagos will be divided, Osun is shaking. He will win each of the rest SW states with not more than 100k votes, I project. Atiku winning the North Overall and coming first in SS may win him the election. Dsalvo: |
The Muslim-Muslim ticket was designed to gather tremendous votes from Muslim populated North, unfortunately, it has not gained traction there. It has backfire in the south especially in the SW because it will reduce the volume of votes for Tinubu and APC even if they will win overall SW votes. APC and Tinubu is keeping straight face though and not wanting to agree that M-M ticket was a colossal error in their permutations. Kaiser20: |
Southern votes are also divided including SW votes. If Atiku comes first in the overall Northern votes and comes overall second in the South, then he may win election outrightly or be a candidate in the runoff election. garfield1: |
I personally understand your point but with BVAS, any over-voting in the general election will be easily detected. INEC themselves cannot change what's in the BVAS without leaving a trace compared to when what was needed before which was just to tick the register in INEC office to match up with the votes they have allocated. The problem is not BVAS but personnel and fortunately BVAS will show the collusion or errors of personnel on the election day if it happens at all. BVAS would have won the election for PDP and Atiku in 2019. Rebelutionary: |
They can only cancel the 6 units where the over-voting was detected. Then, they will recalculate and subject the remaining results to electoral act. They cannot cancel the whole election because of over-voting in 6 units of 3763 units. Of course, this indicates substantial compliance with 2022 electoral act. So, the election results stand. basadenet: |
APC or Tinubu guys still dont get it: We owe Tinubu nothing although he is Yoruba. The highest he will get in any yourba state is like 50% of the total votes. No block votes for him in yoruba. He worships the North, let them give him block votes. Yourba doesn't give block votes to any politician except Abiola and Awolowo both of blessed memories. Strikethem: |
You have not said why you think Tinubu will win Osun State. Just one reason. Emir01: |
Few points: 1. The 2023 election will be different from previous ones due to various reasons. So, no candidate among the 3 can be written off yet. 2. The analysis revealed that Obi is a spoiler to PDP and Atiku. 3. The latent analysis is that Obi will also spoil APC and Tinubu votes in the SW too due to two reasons: a. same faith ticket of APC (I'm in the know that majority of Christians in SW (if I use my base as a projection) will rather vote for Obi/Atiku than muslim-muslim ticket; b. the economic situation and performance of Buhari have made many Yorubas to vow not to touch anything called APC even though Tinubu is on the ballot. 3. Northern interest. If the Northern voters decide to vote for Atiku in Sokoto, Katsina, Part of Kaduna, Gombe, Kano, Adamawa, etc., he may win. 4. Buhari performance is not helping APC governors especially in the North to with conviction canvass for Tinubu. The governors do not have the grip of Northern voters this time around due to performance and BVAS. Therefore, BAT should not entirely depends on them to deliver their states to him. He should have plan b. PDP may likely win Osun state or lose it by inconsequential vote like less than 10k votes. |
“Any aspirant who participated in the primaries of his political party who has reasonable grounds to believe that any information given by his political party’s candidate in the affidavit or any document submitted by that candidate in relation to his constitutional requirement to contest the election is false, may file a suit at the Federal High Court, against the candidate seeking a declaration that the information contained in the affidavit is false.” Section 31(5) of the 2022 electoral act garfield1: |
No, the issues that can arise from election has been divided into pre-election (only federal high court has jurisdiction) and post election matters (tribunal). Matters of certificate or qualification is pre-election according to new electoral act and only the aspirants have locus standi. Qualification issues are not part of grounds of seeking redress in the tribunal according to 2022 electoral act. garfield1: |
Section 177 that talk about qualification for position of a governor is the most important. You dont even need to have a certificate or pass if you have to become a president or governor. You only need to know how to read and write or in the judgement of inec. But if someone present a forge document, he can be sued of course but according to electoral act 2022, only the aspirants from his party can sue. You must have a locus standi before you can go to court. It's an elementary knowledge in law. garfield1: |
What mistake did they make in the first election? Oh! They didn't bring out guns garfield1: |
The 2022 electoral act has settled that. The issue of certificate or qualifications is a pre-election matter which only the aspirants of a primary election has the ground to bring to court. Check section 29 of the new Electoral Act garfield1: |
It is a smart thing my brother. Pdp will submit the whole bvas report in her defense and tell the tribunal it is widespread all over the state and not where pdp won as apc is saying. And they will say if the tribunal will nullify those areas where bvas report showed alleged over-voting, they should cancel across the state. Now, if that is done, pdp will still win. The calculation is done already. garfield1: |
Even if its a different certificate, apc cannot sue adeleke on the basis of certificate or qualification because they do not have locus standi. It is settled in the new electoral act. garfield1: |
