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Leopantro: I'm not making you look like an ingrate and we are not talking about the Bible days. we are talking about YOU. would you agree that doctors had a significant contribution to your being alive today,from childbirth till now?

Of course i would. But that won't make me stereotyped. I would say the truth when I see it. The egoistic doctors demands are baseless and irrational! Am i the only one that came to the world through a doctor? Vamoose oga!

Apatheist: What if it's life-threatening?

I won't give an answer!

Apatheist: What if it's life-threatening?

I won't give an answer!

Leopantro: those "bastards" as you call them probably helped your mother in delivering you and aiding you when you fell sick while growing up.

why insult someone just to put your point across?

They were placed there! Who took care of delivery during the Bible days? Wasn't it the nursing mothers? Society and development placed you in that role.. Don't make me look like an ingrate.

youngdoctor: As a doctor..i can tel yu ds FG is schizophrenic...we ve made a mistake electing ds bastards.

No.. Rather, the govt has allowed you bastards have your way for too long!

Afrocatalyst: Na wa o. Our government challenging a group for a debate? That's like Nigeria producing the first man to go to mars.
Impossible.
A govt that detests debate like cancer.
Something fishy is smelling and the FG feels they've got an upper hand.
Hmmm...

That idea actually came from their fellow colleague, Prof Chukwu. He knows what obtains and is ready to challenge them, do you have a problem with that?

sonofaGod: FOOLS,keep dispaying arrogance and animosity towards doctors till u will require doctors services to save your lives or that of your loved ones one day.that's when u will recognise their importance in society.there is a good reason y doctors are leaving this countries in droves more than benin gals are going to italy because society has failed to give them their dues even though d same society expects so much from them

You fools also display ignorance and hate towards other health professionals. And until you begin to see healthcare as a teamwork model and stop seeing the hospital as ur palace, there won't be peace.

YourHealthlabs: Let JOHESU be part of that debate, i'll personally pay my widow's mite to represent JOHESU.
Nigerians need to know a lot, our people always overlook the goings-on in the health sector, they believe it's none of their business until they fall sick or suffer an ailment.

Everyone would surely be represented.. The public debate is long overdue.

It's very wrong from all moral standings.. Even babies with syndromes grow to become normal adults, so far it's not life threatening.

prettyprettywow: They will not want to debate. That's how Obembe missed the channels interview with other health workers today. Let them come out and trash this issue once and for all.

Cowardice at its Zenith!!

I remember Dr Kayode Obembe narrowly missed the last interview by channels TV. Cmon public debate is best.


We also agree that the govt has not funded the health sector well enough and this cuts across all sectors. So doctors coming here to blackmail the govt is just cheap pretence and struggle for public sympathy! C'mon accept the challenge and let us move from here!

You guys have time o. Leave the ignorant fellows!

Sad much!

Elythron16zero4: I am a pharm but u see i think everyone is important in the health system. The doctors have forgotten that they use drugs to treat patients or does their training include drug productions. If in the World today all pharms stop producing drugs, what alternative is left with the doctors to use? Herbs? when they are not native doctors. come to think of it if all us studies medicine and become doctors, who will be the other things including the patients. On a lighter note; if all patients should go on strike by refusing to go to the hospitals which is not possible medical doctors may become vet. doctors if that happens .that's to show that even the patients who don't work in the hospitals are equally important(least to say other health workers) because without them doctors won't treat animals/trees after all . please, lets respect other peoples professions while we all know our limits. sometimes i am tempted to pick up DE form and enroll for medicine because of the way our doctors are over-celebrated here as if other professions are not relevant. May be i will consider that option if all this hullabaloo continues

No sir.. You won't do that! We'd be appreciated one day!

Check my posts on this thread.

www.nairaland.com/1798239/nma-strike-crises-health-sector#24484750

No one to reply.

The President, Pharmaceutical Society of Nigeria,
Olumide Akintayo, has said that the Nigerian
Medical Association (NMA) has come up with a
“24 Commandment” which the government must
obey before the ongoing strike can be called off,
calling it a tragedy.
He stated that part of the NMA’s issues was that
the federal government should create the office of
the Surgeon-General of the federation, when there
is no enabling act that backs such an office.
Speaking as a guest on Channels Television’s
Saturday breakfast programme, Sunrise, Mr.
Akintayo explained that for there to be an office of
a Surgeon General, there is need for an act of
parliament before a president can put up such
office or from the constitution.
“This is happening because there is a carryover of
the military mentality when NMA had godfathers
who are friends with military officers so they
utilize these contacts, when government under the
military came out with obnoxious laws which is
the fundamental problem in the health care sector
today.
“The NMA says its members will not come to
work until a National Health Bill is passed which
has been done by the Senate and House of
Reps”.He further noted that if the NMA has
respect for the president of the country and
consumers of health such conditions would not
have been given. He further noted that if the NMA
has respect for the president of the country and
consumers of health such conditions would not
have been given.
He further spoke on the residency training……..we
will start from here…excerpts

Olumide ; So rather than concentrating on
providing resources for the training of this
medical student, they divert it, they are enjoying
the bouty,so that was why i said it is all about the
grab grab grab syndrome of resources and
privileges in the healthcare sector and you know
for so long we have watched this madness, i am
sorry, you permit me the use of words, we have
allowed them this unfortunate statues quo for far
too long, but now as responsible citizens and
representatives of our people, we are going to put
a final stop to the menaces of Nigerian doctors…..
Channels…let’s take up on a couple of things,
let’s start with acknowledging the facts that the
large number of people that work in most
establishment in Nigeria where they are not fully
functional but they get paid for being an assistant
to an assistant to an assistant, all of this things
happens, it is across board in Nigeria,our
government is bloated, our health sector is
bloated, but it is known as well that all around the
world, that consultants are people with great
value, you would admit that won’t you?
Olumide …hmm(nods in agreement)

Channels;(continues) …that those medical
consultants are people with a level of expertise
and experience that would add value to the health
sector, so you cannot discount the fact that we a
have quite a few medical consultants in Nigeria…
Olumide ; let me say this, in all of the time, you
know the NMA propagandist machine is always
alive and well…interrupted…no no let me just
make the point…

Channels; but..but… i am talking from traveling
around the world…..anywhere you find a
consultant you know the quality he has…

Olumide; fine.. it is good that you have travelled
around…let me say this.. you travelled, I am
happy you gave the information that you have
travelled around the world, in other climes that
you have visited, do you have a bloated figure,
this type of bloated figure, what.., i belong to the…
i don’t want to mention names now because I
need to protect certain interest… I belong to one
of the boards I talked about, I know what goes
on…in this city of Lagos alone, we have over 200
honourary consultants from various colleges of
medicine through two major teaching hospitals,
one LASU for the state government, and there is
one for the federal, there is specialist orthopedic
hospital, a psychiatric hospital and there is
federal medical center, five institutions, you have
two thousand consultants. Look, let’s be realistic,
what are you doing with 2000 consultants. In this
other climes that you talked about, what happens
is that you will have consultant orthopedic
surgeon who consults for that same enclave for
those five health institutions, so if he is supposed
to be in LUTH today,he probably puts in four
hours on Mondays, the same consultant is in
LASUTH on a Wednesday, he puts in some hours
and he get well paid, that is the way they run this
services, that is why it is consultant services. I
agree that is also about training and that is why
you have these people in the hospital, some bold
CMDs will tell you, (and I am saying from
privileged.. from view point of vantage privileged
information), that this thing is just about sharing
bounties, because you do not need two thousand
honorary consultant and hospital based
consultants to render services in one city….

Channels; ..why honorary..

Olumide ; It is honorary because one you are a
university lecturer, that is the designation they
came up with, the man is a lecturer in the
university but he is consulting for the teaching
hospital, because it is a teaching and you must
teach students. But I am saying, you do not have
to bring all of these people, because these are the
real reasons why health sector has been in a
perpetual coma, because all the resources that
should have been channeled to replacing obsolete
hospital equipment…go to all the hospital, the last
time we had comprehensive infrastructure was in
golden era when health administrators where in
charge of these health infrastructure..
Channels; Mr. Akintayo, let me just ask these
question and I will ask the same question all
around. Do you think we have enough funds in the
medical sector today, because it is one thing to
say that most of the money goes to consultants
and those who are grabbing, at the end of the day,
do you think there is enough money budgeted for
our health sector in Nigeria today

Olumide ; do you want me to answer…

Channels; it is a quick question, quick answer, I
don’t want an analysis..

Olumide ; it might be enough, but the critical
question is this, please ask questions to what has
been done with little( the interviewers chorused
“with little” with him) that has been provided, look
we carried out a study and I am speaking from
evidenced based data, we have a research
department and we carried out a research in
Nigeria, we said, yes, the WHO recommends 13%
minimum health budget, Nigeria is a signatory to
that, so this year I think the health sector was
allocated 6 or 7%, but we carried out that survey
and we discovered that a whopping 92% of the
total budget for the health care is actually
dedicated to the payment of emolument

All; Jesuss!!!….

Olumide; (continues)…out of this, and that is why I
am presenting these things, out of this in
apocalyptic terms, in absolute terms, 60%
because 59.88% of this total budget is dedicated
to payment of only one cadre of personnel…
medical doctors, at least at the federal level, now
is this the trend that you want to continue, you
that is why in …in the part of the world where I
come from, it is said that even when you give a
mad man a hole to come up with a heap,
naturally he heaps it towards his side, that is why
I portrayed that situational analysis so that you
see what goes on, so what goes on is that people
our definitely out there to maintain only narrow
and selfish interest, you know these doctors who
are protesting, let me give this information I say it
before my creator, immediately after youth
service, at the level of government, a medical
doctor is placed on grade level 12, these doctors
who are giving you, the members of the public the
impression they are oppressed o, grade level 12,
post youth service, do ask, I believe you are also
a university graduate, any other university
graduate who starts on grade level 8, after youth
service, it will take a minimum of 10 years for you
to get to grade level 12 which is where doctors
take off from youth service and yet they give
consumers of health and the people the
impression that they being marginalized,
marginalized by who?

At the end of the interesting interview…

Channels; alright, we have to rap up than you very
much for coming, we have been chatting with Mr.
Segun shotiloye, a physiotherapist and chairman
NUAHP at UCH Ibadan as well as Mr. Olumide
Akintayo, president Pharmaceutical society of
Nigeria and the social commentator Ugo Ugoke
thank you all very much for coming to share you
insights with us and as we said before the start of
this segment, Dr. Kayode Obembe who is the NMA
president had actually assured us that he will be
with us for this segment but had to cancel that at
last minute due to other commitments
Other people spoke as well, you see it here http://
www.channelstv.com/2014/07/05/
pharmaceutical-president-calls-doctors-
strike-24-commandment/


Watch here:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onk89WcSqp0&ctp=CAgQpDAYBCITCP6huK3auL8CFYaBywodOqkALFIQT2x1bWlkZSBBa2ludGF5bw%3D%3D&gl=NG&client=mv-google&hl=en&guid=


www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzehFGX_dEQ&rl=yes&feature=relmfu&guid=&hl=en&client=mv-google&gl=NG


www.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&rl=yes&v=3mqlQN2KuQI&guid=&hl=en&gl=NG&client=mv-google

I smell Dr Kayode Obembe in op's post. She must have earned a lot to compose this.

PerfectFortune: It is only in Nigeria that the Drs want to head all aspects of the medical profession but want to remainunprofessional, arrogant and complete chEats.

They want All nurses to have Bsc cos that is the minimum in the USA currently (without a pay rise and when they get there Phd they should not be addressed as Drs of Nursing and when they become Profs should still not be consultants) . Pharm D should not be approved (as it is currently in the USA) cos it will give the Pharmacists the privilege of being addressed as Drs which will inturn lead to them becoming a consultant and as such can head a medical institution which is d practise in the USA currently.

They are less concerned about the patients, self centered, arrogant and completely undertrained (unprofessional) harbalists are better than some of them but want to remain at the top.

Na wa o

Don't mind the eediots! Greedy bastards.

Good!

smj

DrObum: My conscience is satisfied that I've done a good job!
Facts can't be embellished and the public needs to know the truth.
We've kept quiet for a long time and some funny peeps think it's an avenue to bring down the whole health sector.

Respond to my posts abeg!!

echarlz: All U guys need do is point out the lies in his write-up. I think everyone deserves to be heard without resort to insults

I've pointed out the lies in his biased write-up, why haven't any of you responded?

Lastly, let me correct you on this:


Where people start to argue about whether doctors
are trained in management, my answer is that
other health professionals are generally no different
in that respect.


I don't know about other health professionals. But take a trip to the pharmacy school near you! Or better still, visit the PCN website and see the courses we take for B.pharm and PharmD. Sorry to burst ur bubbles, pharmacists take management courses. In my school, we do it both in 400 and 500 level under clinical pharmacy and biopharmacy. Do more research before putting things on paper. Happy Sunday!

You said this about skipping grade level 12:


it is only fair that all members of the
family enjoy what our father, the Federal
Government, has brought home from his hunting
adventures. Abi the oil money don finish? Na on
top our head una wan talk say the money no go
reach again? Lai lai!.


1) Why not tell the public wat grade level doctors enter after NYSC?

2) Why not tell the public how many years it takes a B.sc graduate to reach the grade level you doctors start from.

3) Why not also tell the public the amount exactly in naira between this grade levels and let them decide!

U still want to skip level 12 because of oil money? Really? Oil money? Smhhh..

You said this too:


People
coughing into your face; blood splashing onto your
clothes, skin, eyes and mouth; handling human
faeces, urine, flesh and other fluids; working with
razors, knives and needles around patients with
highly infective conditions (HIV, Hepatitis B,
Hepatitis C, Lassa Fever, Tuberculosis and others)?
If anyone would say yes to the question, or argue
that they are more exposed to these dangers than
the Doctor or Nurse, let them come out. I will stop
at that.

My brother, pharmacists that work in nuclear pharmacies abroad don't ask for hazard allowances. Take a trip to a pharmaceutical industry one day and see what they're faced with. We cover almost our whole bodies, heads and even shoes, take other safety precautions from nuclear harm and all sort of microbial contamination. We work in pharmaceutical chemistry labs where a little mislabelling can result in fire outbreak or gases and ur lungs won't leave to long to tell the story. Now tell me that u're the only one exposed to danger! Just like mintyx said

The radiation that the imaging scientist is exposed
to everyday can mutate his genes and affect his
normal body functions, have they gone on strike to
demand for allowance increase?

blood splashing onto your
clothes? skin, eyes and mouth? Aren't the nurses exposed to that too? handling human
faeces, urine, flesh and other fluids? Aren't the Med lab scientists exposed to that too? working with
razors, knives and needles around patients with
highly infective conditions (HIV, Hepatitis B,
Hepatitis C, Lassa Fever, Tuberculosis)? Aren't the nurses also exposed to these too?

Why haven't we gone on strike for hazard allowances?

You said this too:


That is the source of the problem. In a
quest to get more allowances, the term
“Consultant” has suddenly crept into the
vocabulary of the other professions, notably
Nursing and Pharmacy, of which I will make
examples. They perhaps have heard that there are
“Nurse Consultants” and Consultant Pharmacists”
in other climes.


Ever since the industrial court passed the law allowing others become consultants, have you seen them campaign for it to reflect in the CONHESS? Where did you then get the thinking that it crept into their vocabulary because of more allowances?

As much as the op might seem explanatory, all i see is defects and lies.

You said this:

there are consulting rooms in
pharmacies, theatres in nursing homes, abortion
facilities in dispensaries, and operating rooms on
people’s dining tables.


Now if you cannot prove that this thing happens, God will punish you!!! Why feed the public with wrong info?
There's no where you'd find such rubbish! Why lie?

This guy is living in the olden days.

armadeo: Nurse. medical personnel.

you have already ruined your entire post by misrepresenting yourself. you said a physicians view. are you a physician?

Why not Google his name and find out he's a doctor. MBBS graduate!

Sadly, i found out that doctors who work in saner climes are not in support of the Nigerian Medical Association.

For me, even though the JOHESU struggle might have some loopholes, fact is that they're fighting for international best practices. And by this, the medical doctors feel threatened. The MBBS graduates are the undisputed leader of the health care team, anywhere in the world! Other health professionals improving their services by becoming consultants won't disrupt that!

Most times, they'll say 'go and buy jamb form and study medicine' or even say 'u're on of those that didn't get admission into medical school'.

Smh, the days where everyone wanted to study medicine are far gone! Civilization has happened to us, Yoruba calls it 'olaju'. Your glory days are over, your respect can't be lost, it's a default setting.

Pathetic Nigerian Doctors. Op is spot on!!

sogodihno: Helo Adeola, i want to ask about this; i heard that if u obtain B. pharm in Nigeria and want to practice in US u will spend another 4 yrs in sch while if u obtain PharmD in Nigeria u will just spend a year or less to practice in US. How true is dz? or wat information can u give abt this?

Pharm Zeezahbee probably has that info. Kindly help us with it. And how many years does it take a B.pharm graduate to get a pharmD? Thanks.