₦airaland Forum

phantom: look brother....if you want to import from the US do it well.if your consultancy entails a residency training,go ahead and do it.if it entails a masters and PhD,go ahead and do it.
the west African college of pharmacists has been in existence for years.HOW MANY OF YOUR SENIORS ARE FELLOWS?
you prefer to open pharmacies and sell drugs.
you, adeola when did you qualify as a pharmacist? have you considered a residency in pharmacy??

phantom: look brother....if you want to import from the US do it well.if your consultancy entails a residency training,go ahead and do it.if it entails a masters and PhD,go ahead and do it.
the west African college of pharmacists has been in existence for years.HOW MANY OF YOUR SENIORS ARE FELLOWS?
you prefer to open pharmacies and sell drugs.
you, adeola when did you qualify as a pharmacist? have you considered a residency in pharmacy??

5minsmadness: Bullshit.
Everybody makes mistakes. The nurse or pharmacist doesn't have to become consultants to correct a doctors mistake. And even if they become consultants mistakes will still be made.

jpphilips: @ Ade

You are shifting the goal post, is Residency the latest demand now? haba! I think I will have to abandon this thread because the whole furore don pass patient.

this is the NMA's demand that poised me to open this thread, I did not see any residency there, or do I need a glass?

Iwegbadu: Opebi what truth is that? U sound like a well mannered reasonable girl. Why are you guys not in the hospital taking over. Hasnt the rule been passed

phantom: theory! oga go and get a masters and PhD in an area of pharmacy then I will call you a consultant BUT if you people think you will get your CONSULTANCY while you sit and dispense drugs all day,please think again.

jpphilips: I have seen a lot of residents whom the experienced nurses direct on how best to apply their knowledge, it is nothing new and I wont lose anyone over it except you.

In companies it happens and we don't complain, Management can decide to bring a small boy expert who knows nothing, mandate you to teach him while I end every lecture with "YES SIR", kini big deal!!

If you want to be like the small boy, by all means, become an expatriate.

GentleMimi: Young man,being a consultant does not mean ''ownership'' of a human being. It means being an expert in ur field of work,so as to be able to give advice and top notch contributions towards the improvement of services.
the posts have four key functions: expert practice (max. 50%); research, evaluation and service development; education, mentoring and overview of practice; professional leadership.

Iwegbadu: Then go to the hospital and go and treat patients now, what are you waiting for? Doctors are not in the hospital setting now so go and kill sorry treat the patients. People claim they can do better till they are in the position. Better shut up oh ye female

Iwegbadu: Doctors are not Gods patients that would die would die anyways stop worshiping doctors They do their best but sometimes situations dont permit saving

adekayo1234: fixed


By the way, I am glad people are beginning to reason with some of the NMA's demand. I am also surprise the minister is begging the doctors to report back to work. My people, let's do this calculation
A) Remove the lab scientist from the teaching hospital, would the hospital still function. Yes!
B) Do same for the pharmacist who IMO is not different from the chemist nearby and ask the same question. Am sure your answer will tally with mine

Only the nurse remains vital in patients' care next to the doctor in the hospital setting. So what are we talking about?
My last question goes thus: Is a professor of medicine equivalent to a consultant?
Let my people think

jpphilips: You want to be a consultant but you don't want to own the patient, bros I disagree completely with you, we don't need more bureaucracies in our health sector.

AmyJacob: These arguments are really very infantile. No profession dictates to any other profession in the developed world. There is the national association of boards of pharmacy in the US that regulates the practice of the profession in 50 states and Guam and US Virgin Island. There is the American Board of Physicians, board of nursing etc. None takes orders from the other. It might interest folks to know that CMD or Medical director is not the overall boss in most hospitals in the USA. The president or CEO of most hospitals here may not even be in any of the health care professions, he or she is usually an MBA or PhD in healthcare administration. The arguments are uncalled for. Here the size of the pie is grown by running these facilities profitably though most hospitals are non profit. The big pie allows healthcare in America to be the sector with highest no of professions making 6 figures.
A nurse Anaesthetist here can make as high as$180000, more than a family physician or pediatrician or some psychiatrists.

I worked in a hospital where a psychiatrist friend was written-up (what we call query) by the boss who happened to be a healthcare administration graduate and was the director. Please let's enlighten each other and improve each other's intrinsic value with factual conversations. Pharmacists here don't even flaunt pharm D . Physical therapists don't flaunt their Dpt while optometrists don't flaunt their O.D. Everyone just works. You will all be so busy that you will not remember titles and ego. Professions evolve. Architecture in Nigeria used to be a diploma but it's now a masters in architecture with a D.Arch in its heels. Lawyers now get a J.D

Let us not drag our country back with all these petty talk. Any nigerian pharmacist who wants to emigrate to the us must meet certain criteria. Let's keep improving so that those degrees will be useful for them. As for the title craze, no one should be called Engr or Pharm etc it's a sign of how low our society is that people even buy doctorate degrees from some dubious paper mills here and nigerians address them as "dr"

Iwegbadu: So far we, the general public and patients know the truth their mere title dont mean a thing they would even be suprised when patients start insisting to see identification cards proving that only doctors should touch or treat them, do this pharmacists know how to check for vital organs and translate what it means? The only point since morning has been iatrogenic, continue in this fooloshness pharmacists, i pray doctors should resume bac and fold their arms while enjoying the stupidity unfold it will be very funny cqnt wait

Iwegbadu: So tell me why you want to be even with other peoples profession knowing that it (pharmacy) is completely different and unique in its own way

tobias4real: Yes, I support d debate. I believe doctors are really selfish and self-centred. Activities in hospital is a team job and no single unit could claim d all too impt. dey can demand for an all-round doctor hospital whr dey will do all d work. Remember, approving d doctors demand will only result to an unhealthy rivalry in our hospitals. Foolish doctors.

Dancasina: Whether we engage each other in public debate or not, the fact is that health system is collaborative. Apart from the professional licence that enables you to practice your profession while restraining others, you cannot do other people's work because you are deficient in training as far as other professions is concerned. No Nurse can do the work of a doctor. No doctor can do the work of a laboratory scientist. No pharmacist can do the work of a Radiography. For God's sake these are disticnt professions with laid down professional juridiction and boundaries. Because of the uniqueness, no one conveys superiority over another. Is there any confusion to a patient when he/she sees on a door tag "consultant pharmacist", "consultant gynaecologist", "consultant Haematologist",etc. I dont think NMA/NARD are fair to the suffering masses.

drmat02: I used to think pharmacists were a bunch of well trained professionals but I ve had reasons to change that opinion since this crisis. They just keep spewing ignorance to poorly informed Nigerians. I tweeted a question to your president on channels TV and he couldn't say a word. Sincerely every doctor is tired of this struggle. Once this is all over, Nigerians will be the losers eventually. You want yo put your lives in the hands of these people who have little or no clinical training whatsoever and can't even tell you what the body does to drug and vice versa. Rubbish. People get the kind of health care they deserve.

Iwegbadu: Pharmacy is a place for discarded medical wanna bes. So we cannot blame them

NaMe4: Therapeutic pharmacy has always been an important part of pharmaceutical practice involving pharmaceutical studies and researches within the hospital and clinical trials of various drugs, I would be quite astonished if that has never been within the Nigerian curriculum. But these are different from what I see our dear pharmacists agitating for.

I believe therapeutic pharmacy is what pharmD is all about. But it has always been a part or subspecialty of pharmacy, Why make a big deal out of it? Cos Americans called theirs pharmd? Why can't we incorporate this aspect of pharmacy as a subspecialty in our pharmacy curriculum if indeed it hasn't been so in the past?

yegbamee: For the 1st time I think someone has said something meaningful and convincing. In view of your explanation above, I think having consultant pharmacist will help improve the quality of healthcare. I just wish the nurses and lab scientists could come up with their own logical reasons too. And honestly, I think the pharmacists (perhaps unknowingly) made a mistake of joining forces with nurses to form JOHESU. I mean, u guys ain't on the same level at all.

echarlz: Thanks for your contributions. I don't agree docs are irrational human beings like the world is being made to believe. Most will not refuse quality advice and input to patient care. Even now, I call pharmacist for advice and information but what I get in return is appalling so I've learnt to stop. What obtains in most centres today is health professionals working at cross purposes. There is so much antagonism in the care delivery process with every category in a hurry to assert their superiority. I do not have problems with any one being tagged a consultant in as much as the system requires his/her services but with only ADVISORY roles. This will prevent duplication and/or conflict of roles. The doctors should take responsibility for patient care. Anyone may refuse to get or accept advice to his own peril.
I think the fundamental problem with the JOHESU agitation is in the gang up against doctors and their quest to pull them down to get their demands met. That probably explains NMA's opposition to some of the requests. Doctors won't reasonably stop anyone from progressing, getting to the peak or acquiring more knowledge through the right channels. I will be glad to work with you with your postgraduate fellowship of 6years as a pharmacist once it is for the good of my patient and of course myself. Lol

saxywale: A doctors prescription is not final. I had a pharmacist recommend/change a different prescription from that of the doctor here in Canada, that was after he asked more questions about my medical history.

joker5180: Is the "ordinary pharmacist's" job ONLY to DISPENCE?
The key word in all this is ADVICE, are our CONSULTANT PHARMACISTS ready ADVISE or will they enter wards and start cancelling prescription or even worst open shops and start consulting patients?

bjtinz: lol! Your babe dey deny you punny/?

funny i know of some doctors married to nurses and pharmacist. I wonder if Na so Dem go fight for house. .

among the health people, Na nurses fine pass with dia big yanshes which they always shake. Followed by pharmacists, but una dokinta babes dey worwor shaa

FEMIMACRO: Nigerian Doctors b Like: leave us alone n let us keep experimenting on our rats(uneducated and powerless patients).
Arrogant cowards.. Killing patients since God knows.. No problem continue.Daris God.
I pray soon enough that medical litigations will take a strong effect in this nation and when most of u (doctors) start losing ur license n cough out big money from ur empty pockets then U will see the need for the expertise of oda health care professionals in achieving improved and wholistitic patient care...

FEMIMACRO: Nigerian Doctors b Like: leave us alone n let us keep experimenting on our rats(uneducated and powerless patients).
Arrogant cowards.. Killing patients since God knows.. No problem continue.Daris God.
I pray soon enough that medical litigations will take a strong effect in this nation and when most of u (doctors) start losing ur license n cough out big money from ur empty pockets then U will see the need for the expertise of oda health care professionals in achieving improved and wholistitic patient care...

dumodust: consultant pharmacist! Go and admit patients na... or forever remain in ur boring cubicle, thats if u have graduated

NaMe4: Now I'm really getting tired of these baseless arguments.

The so-called senior colleagues in this Johesu group know the limitations and restrictions of these 'consultant Bleep' in these handful of Countries they love citing every second.

I would advise they desist from presenting half-truths to the public in order to gain sympathy online.

Anybody can be a consultant in any field, even a dry cleaner. It is whether the creation of such appointment in a hospital or clinic would make any sense at all.

First of all, I have never seen where someone would be fully employed and still be a consultant in the same job.

Secondly, would the consultant pharmacist have to check every drug prescription from an outpatient clinic? What exactly would be his job description in the hospital?
Consultant pharmacists I know are those who consult in sectors like production, research and their services are employed taking into consideration evident academic qualification of the candidate to be appointed for the specific purpose.

I don't even see any sense in a pharmacist walking round a ward checking and rechecking the prescription of a patient placed on admission.
If the dosage has to be checked after prescription, this can be done at the point of collection of the drug at the pharmacy and if the pharmacist requires clarification regarding the dosage he would contact the doctor for that.

There are certain drugs that can be taken at certain doses for short term for certain conditions. There are certain conditions that may warrant the same drug to be taken for long term and may be at a different dose. Remember the pharmacist is not making the diagnosis and even if he is brought to see every patient for himself, he isn't trained as a doctor to know the pathophysiology, progression, complications and even varying presentations of the same condition!
So what the hell is he occupying space in the ward for? Not to talk of unnecessarily altering prescriptions which would definitely be inevitable and definitely affect the patient's management.

Please, I think every person should genuinely think of improving his own field, with innovative solutions to our healthcare problems instead of all these funny arguments.

If it is about better welfare, working conditions and renumeration, everyone knows the healthcare professionals are poorly paid in Nigeria. That should be directed to the government who should take a bold step for onve to do the right thing. Reduce the cost of governance, divert appropriate funds to the development of key sectors and tackle corruption head-on without fear or favour.

ogawisdom: No I think u r jst a pathological fool dt needs help