₦airaland Forum

honesttalk21:
Abdul Hye’s choice to add the word Islam into a Qur’anic verse really distorts its original meaning. The Arabic text uses the word ad-din, which means religion or worship, without any suggestion of a particular or forced domination. Well-respected translators like Pickthall, Yusuf Ali, and Sahih International avoid this addition, highlighting the text's genuine purpose

oh so u Muslims have started translating Quran to suit a less violent narrative?? What happened to leaving it the way your prophet gave it to you??

I have started seeing narratives that mainstream scholars said ur prophet ddnt marry a 6 year old nor slept with her at age 9.... All of a sudden it's like you pple need this main stream scholars to help u present better narratives because u pple realize how barbaric your religion actually is ...

honesttalk21:
which is to put an end to persecution, not to promote violent supremacy. So, when you take away this misleading insertion, that you both insist on despite repeated advice to research the actual translation

advice to research. research ?? Look around you and the devastation caused by your fellow Muslims . Do u even understand why pple talk about this things ...??

honesttalk21:
the claim that one must fight until Islam dominates”completely falls apart, showing that the deception in both your arguments relies not on the Qur’an itself, but on misinterpretations of its translation.

deception?? Is ISIS a deception from me??
Alqaeda, Bokoharam, ISWAp, are they all deception from me....is the violence of Usman danfodio in Africa a deception from me, all the caliphates that took violence to Jerusalem to force Islam on them, is this also deception from me ...??

.all ur regular everyday Muslims brothers that kill non Muslims, behead and burn pple for blasphemy on the street , are these deception from me as well....??
See ....one thing I've noticed about u Muslims is that you play victim pretending that its because of hatred pple say this things and bring out these verses......but if u are truthful to yourself and history..and actually do the research u are telling others to do ...u will see how your religion is clearly rooted in violence.....

. You will ignore points raised about history of violence from Jerusalem to Europe and blatantly lie that Islam spread by coexisting.. keep lying....i know for sure that Islam will eventually shoot itself in the leg by the followers violent acts...

You are not the only religion in the world....there are thousands of religions ....why is it only your own we have isis, Alqaeda, Bokoharam, ISWap, and everyday individuals killing their neighbors and beheading pple on the street...??

Oh. No.....South Africa go drag una ehnn if Nigeria actually qualifies by removal of congo

RightChanneI:
The guy has no option than to succumb to us!

Never...he's a Muslim he will dle first before before admitting his religion is violent ... Despite evidence of all the violence their prophet did before taking mecca....he's still disguising.......that's how u know they can lie too much

honesttalk21:
It is essentially important to distinguish between religious texts, historical events, and subsequent abuses when evaluating any tradition. Conflating these elements into a single accusation undermines the integrity of the argument....

yes...I agree... it is important to distinguish btw religious text, history and abuse...
still, it becomes deception in this case when you are deliberately sweeping religious text-driven-violence as mere abuse.....when in fact, the so called abuse keeps happening across board ur religious community against non-muslims
.....this so called abuse is not just among the obvious violent one like ISIS and Alqaeda, or Bokoharam, & ISWAP...but also every day Muslims that are our regular neighbors from Africa to europe...

U cannot call this abuse one off or exceptions because it has become a pattern all over the world.......agun...it is deception when u are ignoring a clear pattern of violent acts driven by religious text and sweeping them under the umbrella of few abusers

honesttalk21:
Qur’an 8:39 does not advocate perpetual violence. In Arabic, the term fitnah refers specifically to persecution and violent oppression, not simply to non-Islamic belief.

sir...... It also doesn't mean non-islamic beliefs are exempted from fitnah....

Who are u trying to deceive with this definition sir?? Do Muslims fight each other?? On rare occasion will u find Muslims antagonize each other let alone fight each other.....so telling me fitnah doesn't necessarily target non-islamic beliefs is another one of ur deceptions

In practice, Your prophet who started all these violent actions as a form of jihad, did it against non-islamic beliefs, Jews, residents of mecca who ddnt want his religion ..

So sir ..please tell me..... How are the subsequent Muslims, the caliphates etc who decided to spread jihad through attacking non-Muslims going against Quran 8:39 when it's simply a blue print laid down by your prophet.

honesttalk21:
The verse clearly instructs that fighting must cease once aggression ends, a directive that is consistent with Qur’an 2:190 and 8:61.

sir..this is another deception....u often pretend not to see & understand existing realities when u throw your lies

In reality....There is a global migration of Muslims to non-muslim nations ...when you get there and grow in numbers you automatically activate oppression & persecution mode because u start demanding for official shariah courts and laws which is against the laws and culture of the host countries that took you in.......

Now tell me...how will the persecution & oppression mode ever end when every Muslims beliefs that until you able to practice in an environment governed by shariah, you are being denied and oppressed your rights to full worship of your god??

honesttalk21:
For this reason, every major tafsir confines its interpretation to the context of the Meccan conflict, rather than suggesting a mandate for global domination.......

it is clearly a hidden mandate for global domination because u cannot say the mass migration and mass violence all over Europe and Africa are one off scenario....why are u pple not migrating to Iran, Iraq, Kuwait and start clamouring for laws ....??

honesttalk21:
This assertion that Muhammad pbuh killed millions is historically unfounded . No reputable historian;Muslim or otherwise, supports such a figure.

this is deliberate denial and manipulation of history just to paint your prophet in good image ....

He mvrdered pple which could have been avoided by taking his religion away when they refused it.... But the aim all along was domination...
because if it's isn't....tell me sir... How did your prophet go from a man who an agel appeared to in the cave to taking over the rulership and constitution of mecca ??

honesttalk21:
The Banu Qurayza inciden was a wartime legal judgment for treason under Arabian law during a period of existential threat. It was not a religious extermination, and the sentence was delivered by Saʿd ibn Muʿadh, not by Muhammad pbuh himself.

treason indeed ...your prophet's friend accused and killed over 500 pple of treason after the war was over because they accused them of siding with enemy of ur prophet...welldone...i can see it's truly treason...

Please tell me...why is ur prophet always fighting?? How is that anything close to being peaceful ?? But when...his followers copy him u cime and hide under non-global call...

To establish pattern....Please sir....Show me where it's written in the Quran that it's a global call that y'all should kiss the black stone, or stone Satan, or March round the Kabar.....it's not a global instruction .....u do it because your prophet did it ...so don't come here cherry picking when it's convenient for you

honesttalk21:
The notion that Muslims are required to imitate every action of the Prophet pbuh does not withstand scrutiny under Islamic law. In fact, Islamic jurisprudence explicitly prohibits vigilantism, forced conversion (as stated in Qur’an 2:256),

this ur explanation is like a marketing slogan .....in practice that's not what you do ..everywhere Islamic state exist in the world ...there is a forceful, violent, revolution that preceded it, from mecca to Iran .and so on ...

honesttalk21:
and the killing of non-combatants. Modern acts of jihadist violence are in direct violation of these legal principles, just as the Crusades contradicted the teachings of Jesus. Abuses by individuals or groups do not define the core doctrines of a faith.

u are very dishonest in ur submission ...use your Google... nobody set up crusaders to spread religion by force...
. there wouldn't have been crusaders in the first place if Islamic caliphates after ur prophet's where not violently spreading Islam
Go and read your history and stop these manipulating....The Rashidun Caliphate , led by Abu Ubayda, besieged Jerusalem for several months.....

...don't come where trying to paint crusaders as the same with your violent jihadist......
U are becoming desperate using crusaders to justify the actions of modern day Muslims' violent act.....

honesttalk21:
If Islam had truly promoted domination by force, its expansion over centuries would not have occurred primarily through trade, legal systems, and peaceful coexistence in regions such as West Africa, Southeast Asia, and India. The enduring presence of Islam in these areas is a testament to its complex and multifaceted history.

u Iie sir.......Usman danfodio did the same in Africa...and pple had no choice than to accept ...calling that peaceful coexistence is deception....

Pple have always had to accept Islam because they want to avoid deaths....When The Rashidun Caliphate forcefully took Jerusalem,
Sophronius, the Christian leader, had to agree to surrender only if Caliph Umar himself came from Mecca to accept his surrender ..

Similarly Your prophet fought and killed pple and eventually installed Islam as constitution in mecca forcing those living there to comply...many even had to pay jizya a tax levied on non-muslims yet u come here to say it's non-muslim domination agenda .

.is that not what your Bokoharam and ISIS is doing in Christian dominated locations like venue
...your spread has always been by force and fear and that why when your violent brothers do their killings openly.......pple had to tolerate you because they want peace ..

.....go to benue.. pple are paying this same Jizya to violent jihadist just to manage peace ... 30 years from now when these places becomes dominated and turned to Islamic state ..u will come and lie that it's by trade and peaceful coexistence... Sir...........I see through all your Iies....Islam has has always been propagated by fear, force and violence


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honesttalk21:
You come in with what both you and the one you support don't understand. The one you support and you claim what I didn't categorically say or have you seen it to clearly point out?

That's another strategy of dodging.... claiming we don't understand.....

Okay samir...why don't u explain to us what ur Quran means by fight and kill them until Islam dominates every where...

Explain to us what your Quran and Hadith means when it says fight and kill the Christians where ever you see them.....

Maybe u should explain what your prophet meant when he beheaded over 100 Jews Banu Qurayza, because he accused them of siding with enemies or allah..

and please sir...don't come up with that it's not a universal call bvllshiit...... because like I said earlier that's how religion works.......Christians do what Jesus did ....followers of ur prophet do what he did....and that's why we have pple still marrying 9 year olds among you pple and even Iran just approved the marrying of 8 years 9months old girls

emmaodet:


Bro, you get bad mouth ooo

Baba no vex ..

I nor want make motor jam the guy

ajalawole:
thanks bro. Even though she is a church girl. She has abort it with the consent of her mum. But we don't talk or have something again

Hahahahahahahaha .....na small good girls dey church......but na werey full church pass wey no gree repent and receive God's holy Spirit .

honesttalk21:
No problem but first ascertain the claims of rightchannel which you tend to agree with in closed reasoning.

I mentioned you because u were hiding under polemics when u were presented with evidences of call to violence in your Quran against non-muslims .... Telling me to explain another person's point is just another desperate move at dodging which is basically all u have been doing

ajalawole:
we meet on a group on Fb,funny enough she is a gospel singer. I don't know what cus her 3month marriage to crash sha. She told me her ex husband get married 6month after the crash.. She was so depresses and she meet a woman on Fb who do matchmaking, she matchmake her with a guy who claim to own a big hospital in Lagos. The guy visit her in Ilorin sha... One thing connect one thing and the had sex..... She miss her period for the month, she told the guy Bd the guy block her everywhere... I was thinking maybe I could help her life reason I told her if she can keep it and I take care of it. Thankfully her mum had plan on how to abort it...... When I think about it, I ask them to go ahead with it.

She just dey format your memory card with lies.....
.....no play captain save a skirt for woman like that......u dey think say she go dey loyal and appreciate you for marrying her with her baby .. ..lol...women nor dey think like that ooooo ...on the contrary....she go dey form queen and more with shoulder pad say ."even with pregnancy men dey rush me.."

Baba.....calm down pray, you go see decent single woman ........all these online Facebook pple na agaracha be most of them..

ajalawole:
I reason my life small and my eye clear... The baby can grow up now and issue will comes up. Funny enough, the guy she married to don't see her disvirgin, it was the guy she meet on Fb that disvirgin her when she pack out of her husband place just 3montb into thier marriage

Where una dey see all these kind achana??

Jayhome24:
I want to ask you today's bous are you people mentally inbalance or what?

When I read some stupid stunt here and other social media platforms I'm line are these boys insane or something?

You put your girlfriend not your wife nott your mum or siblngs on your HMO or whatever you called it and you think you won't end this way? You are joker. How many time have we been warning you boys on stuffs like these?

Yesterday it was one yeye boy called Pillar or Peller say he wan kpai after he don overloaded his girlfriend wth all he has and the girl dumped his a s s. A week ago we heard a boy donated his organ to safe his girlfriend who later dumped him etc.

Na wa ooo. Now another man gave his ex belle then she come use hin HMO or HMD take dey cover CS of another man pikin if you be my brother I dey lock you up I swear.

Na social media and nollywood movies dey turn pple to mùmù these days......that's where they learnt kneeling down to women from, it's where they learnt all display of stvpid love wey no dey involve common sense......

fabolouz1:
i saw this on x and i dont believe the crap.

How many times u return wetin your ex give you.... Y'all expect to keep the phones, the wig,, the car, and wateva as severance package .......but this one is a lie bcoooooos??

.don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's not a lie ...I'm just saying on a normal day...naija women nor dey like return anything after break up.....it suddenly bcomes compensation for all the sex she "gave him"

ajalawole:
I begged a lady I met just some week to keep the pregnancy she had for someone that I will take care of the baby,thankfully the lady and her mum already planning on how to abort it....
After I reason my life well, she fit wake up tomorrow that since the baby not mine I have no right to correct her baby. After God, fear woman.

U dey beg woman....?? Woman wey don get belle for another man?? Na so ur self esteem low reach?


Guy ....Nor use this brain cross express way oooooo

Chijeep:
My cousin sister said I should forgive her.
And besides, she made it clear 2 the person that she don't want s3x

U don ever see girl wey go tell you say she want sex.....in norms na their way of forming saint be that.....
Even when they reach ur house com fvck...u will hear " I will son be going oooo....."I'm only spending 48mins....na u know wetin u go use than information do

erniok:
You can argue with him all day long and it won't get you anywhere.

Thanks for pointing out about Ahmed role in this incident but truth is people are scared of muslims because of the extremists. Even some "calm" muslims are sympathetic to them.

. Why go to a place you know their behaviours are haram.

They migrate to fulfil Quran 8:39...it's a strategy of domination by population or hostile takeover by lesser jihad once they have the strength.... ....they enter countries with accommodating laws...they give birth and increase their numbers and then start to demand for official shariah court and laws in a country that already has its laws.......imagine the wickedness......can any immigrant try that in iran or Saudi??

..read the Quran and Hadith if u have the time.....u can't miss the fact that central theme if Islam is not a faith and worhsip ....it's a domination strategy packaged as a religious system.......

Pharaoh4rin:
One thing i have struggled to understand is, these people from one religion....is it wrong for them to remain and live like normal human beings? Do they have to want to kill all the time? Even in Nigeria, the way they talk, behave towards normal people is as if they should devour you.
Well,i thank god for my kind of person.

U don't need to struggle to understand...all that peaceful slogan na deception ....if you go to where they are dominant , they are raised to hate other faith, especially Jews and christians..

I met a lady who's originally from Iran...she migrated out of the place ....she said n their school from childhood, they recite this pledge everyday " she is a slave of their god, the guy that married a 6 year old is her prophet , her greatest aim in life is to see Jews and other enemies of their God eliminated and die for the cause of of their religion.

The shocking thing is I heard the same thing from this Somalian activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali...if u read that womans's biography or watch her on YouTube...you will wonder how anyone practices that religion

DesChyko:
Just saying; ignoring the process they already have set up, then introducing a new process that actually depends on the old processes to work.. That's premium fooling 🤷🏾‍♂️

Baba that's their usual way in Nigeria ....with every new govt, a new sheriff comes to town and start making new laws to form busy... They have no listed goals to achieve, no established risk management, no enforcement protocol, no compliance follow up to curb those that want to beat the system, and no established way to assess impact of new policy........it's just cloud without rain...

Arizonaguy:
The policy is sound.
There are other options, such students may write the general exams for Waec, neco or nabteb.
It's very reasonable that a students that failed his core subjects resit not only his exam but his classes once again.
That's how we build character in a nation.

Just curious though about this your view ...is this just for secondary school or if a chemical engineer fails polymer chemistry in 400 level one of his core subjects he should go back to 100 level or 200 level and start over all the courses he has passed before??..... ..

Or u are just desperately trying to justify policy that someone came up with just to appear active in his office...

honesttalk21:
You see why my starting sentence is. If you don't understand or want to pretend you don't understand seek clarity. What is the translation in this case and what is the original text if not in the Arabic language. Study the verse referred to an ascertain the exactness of the translation for the original.

Should I agree with you on playing with words we will both be wrong.

Let's go back to 8:39....and get what it said and what you said ??

...U should fight until u eliminate other religions and polytheism and everyone worships Allah?? Yes or No??

honesttalk21:
It's getting absolutely obvious that logical discussion cannot be done here. Please show where or 'how insisting on translation that isn't in the original text' equals that verse is not in the original text!

Then the one whos brief you take goes on to say I state one verse is contradicted by another or others. Really?

Sir...u shot urself in the leg but now want to start playing with words.......are translation not words...are verses not words ......so what's exactly is this beating about the bush sir??

I ask again ...shebi u Muslim claims u dont have edited, standardized, or translated Quran?? Which one is now ur claim of something not being in the original ....??

I ask you again....show us the original that before Caliph Uthman edited and standardized with his companions

honesttalk21:
And your attachment has text that reads one verse is contradicted by others? Please show me.

Please read your own text....

Lol....Someone showed you Quran 8:39...and u claimed that verse is not in the original text....which prompted the person to ask you.. are u saying you now have contradictions in your religious text??

What's hard Here that you don't understand.?

If the original text is different from the codex Caliph Uthman gave u pple, show us....its thats simple....but u are beating about the bush playing with words ...we are not children here sir..

honesttalk21:
Is it so difficult to answer a question pertaining to a discussion you jumped into before having your concerns addressed? Is this questionable morals or illogical arrogance? Did I say one verse was contradicted by others?

In your rage or rush no screen shot is attached.

Rage? It's funny how u Muslims claim rage, hate, yet you are the ones going around murdering pple and trying to dominate others.. if they speak out u will call label all manner of names....

honesttalk21:
First show in context of my discussion with Rightchannel my saying what he claims.

This is just another deceptive denial, leaving all I said to deflect....
but no worries I will indulge you.......the screen shot below shows the conversation btw the two of you as u tried to deceptively hide the violent 8:39 verse under the excuse of translations just as u have been hiding under polemics and your usual "it's not a universal call" ......

Which was why the RightChanneI asked you: "are u saying there are contradictions in your religious text ? since u muslims have always claimed ur text was never edited and standardized...

.....U further claim that the action of your prophet affirm those violent practices were not a universal call....so I ask....how sir?? How did his action affirmed it.....your prophet literally killed millions of pple justifying it with various reasons from lesser jihad, to claims they attacked him first, to claims they are his enemies or enemies of allah, and other excuses

See ....... the truth is .....thus is how religion works.....pple follow the actions and teachings of the central person/prophet/messengers of the faith they follow.....many things Christians do today are the very actions of jesus

So it is pure deception for you to keep twisting that the violent actions of your Muslims brothers all over the world is not becos of your prophet's past actions and Quran's violent text...

I mean..... 8:39 literally said u should fight until Islam dominates....if u have any original text that different from the codex caliph uthman gave u pple ...please show here us......

In one of ur prophet's past violent actions he beheaded more than a 100 Jewish sect known as Banu Qurayza, because he accused them of siding with enemies of allah...yet when ur Muslim brothers kill non-Muslims or whoever they tag as enemies of Islam and the prophet today.... u come here and hide under polemics and non-universal call.....sir you are very deceptive and it's a common practice among your Muslim to hide and justify evil..











The guy clearly showed you Quran 8:39 which clearly states you should fight until Islam dominates ...and it's one of the verse that's promotes violence perpetrated by your pple around the world today .

DesChyko:
Correct me if I am wrong but do schools not submit the SS2 register to Ministry and do WAEC candidates not having their SS1 to SS2 scores entered for them before they are eligible to sit for WAEC?

Hahahahahahhaha hahahaha!!

You must be a comedian if you think Nigerian Ministry of education is that organized and has the integrity to actually receive records of millions of ss1 and ss2 student across nigeria and check it for compliance against name of student registered for WASSCE....
As in .....do u even understand why Nigeria is the way it is?? Why we have bad roads, why there are no roofs or chairs in many schools, why 70% of our budget is inside some pple's pocket ??

Amarachieze:
But our president graduated before the school he attended was established. .

Una too like vawulence for nairaland

honesttalk21:
No I didn't say that.

I see you are boxed into being context-blind and or polemic-driven reader.

Lol...U are just deceptively hiding under polemics to dodge the fact that your religious text promotes violence against other people that are not Muslims, aiming at domination...

Everytime u cannot deny these evil practices, you will play the "it's not a universal call" card, yet your Muslims brothers go about killing people in the name of lesser jihad, migrating in mass to developed non-muslims nation to overthrow their culture and accommodating laws that allowed you to practice your islam when you entered their country....

Please tell me something sir....can any immigrant enter Saudi, Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan and start demanding for official parallel religious laws and court like shariah when there are already existing laws and courts....?? U can't even have freedom of religion or preach openly in a Muslim country without the risk of being killed.. ....I mean, how do u pple think it's okay to enter peoples countries and try to overturn their laws??

HacheNoire:
Why I said majority and not all.

Do you know private schools also have corrupt influences to make their students pass WAEC? That’s how they market the schools.

A lot goes on in the educational sector if you take time to investigate. I mean a lot!

If WES should do a full time audit of all result sent to them, you will be shocked by the outcome.

The system is rigged! Only the poor cannot thrive in the system.

At the end of the day all these laws will not work with private schools.......private schools can still admit any student into any class and create records if needed to prove the student has been with them since...

The problem with federal and state govt is that they have good initiatives on ground they don't leverage on.....
They already have what is called learners ID generated by the ministry of education from primary 1......if they can enforce the use of this ID like BVN ....
It can easily be used to monitor students digital footprint even.....it will even curb parents that take their students to another school to jump class even when they fail

But alas......some school don't even have roof or chairs to sit....... But someone just wakes up to makes laws to appear active

Soneh:
Go and get a POS or an agent account from any of these POS companies and use it for receiving payments. Let's see how they would calculate the tax from a pos account. For monies you don't have plans of using, just save it as usdt on any crypto wallet of your choice.

POS agent account are already expected to be registered with CAC by 2026 because federal govt wants to start debiting them flat fee .......

djseanjohn77:
Personnel and Financial Power
Nigeria maintains overwhelming dominance in manpower and funding. It commands a force of approximately 230,000 active personnel, backed by 50,000 paramilitary members, totaling over 280,000 personnel. Burkina Faso, in stark contrast, has only about 16,500 active personnel and 4,500 paramilitary members, making Nigeria’s force nearly 14 times larger. Financially, Nigeria’s defense budget is approximately $3.16 billion USD, which is roughly 38 times larger than Burkina Faso’s budget of $81.28 million USD.

Burkinafaso's military budget is technically more than Nigeria's budget because out of that fake 3.16 bullion you quoted ....3.1 billion usd has embezzled .....

Mankind2024:
Why Captain Ibrahim Traoré Is Playing with Fire by Detaining Nigerian Soldiers
Many people underestimate the capabilities of the Nigerian military and what it could mean for the government of Burkina Faso under Captain Ibrahim Traoré.

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U are just a praise singer of mediocrity and overestimating the might of Nigerian military...

U are dealing with a ruthless coup plotter who doesn't mind insulting another nation after rubbishing the leadership of his own....y'all can't do jack