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Negro_Ntns:
3. The Deputy Prime Minister was Zanna Dipcharima and constitutionally should have been sworn in as the succeeding Prime Minister. Instead Ironsi took over power.

So, the highest ranking military officer took over government, quelled the coup and sent the plotters to jail and you still believe that Gen Ironsi was a party to the coup?

Negro_Ntns:
There is load of questions. . .

Sure, there are lots of questions but the shameful thing is that as your questions are answered or statements proven wrong you disappear and after a while come back with other questions.

Even if you are given the next 100 years to bring up questions you will not exhaust them considering the fact that you are biased and your sole aim is to sow and spread hatred towards a people.

Tudór:
Will you shut up and stop spamming!
You are the problem and no matter how many times you rant, it would'nt change the fact that you've always started the barage of insults

It is not what you think that matters it is the reality that matters. No one on this forum can state that I have ever insulted him/her for disagreeing with a position but many will agree that I usually respond to them.

Maybe you need to reproduce any post where I started any insult (not responding to one) on any thread not just in your case but on any one on this forum.

Truth is always steady but lies will always fall like a pack of cards.

Sam Milla:
People should stop comparing Americas debt with Nigerias.
America is sponsoring terrorism wars with billions of dollars in a month.

Sponsoring terrorism wars? Against who? What an excuse.

Sam Milla:
America still sends aids to Nigeria.

And makes 10000 times what it sends as aids to Nigeria.

In any case we don't need aids from anyone. We agree that we have serious leadership problems in Nigeria.

@topic,

OBJ cleared our debts and today we are borrowing again. Wonderful. Sometimes I wonder if a 3rd term wouldn't have been better for Nigeria.

Tudór:
Oh shut up you LIAR!
You've always started the insults in our encounters simply because you lack basic understanding of concepts, contexts and the use of words. You're so sensitive that you interprete EVERYTHING as an insult. . . .why the sensitivity? Probably coz you're trying to mask your ignorance and vitriolic bias towards the issues at hand.

One minute he states he believes his insults should be ignored.

The next minute he reverses his position and claims I was the one doing it.

One thing I don't do and will never do is insult anyone just because I disagree with him/her. What for? When there are so many reasons to back up any position or even accept making a mistake or an error in judgement.

You don't have to change your ways especially if that is how you disagree with your parents at home so do not imagine for one second that I am trying to make you change your childish and stupid ways. Just carry on. At least you have been dismissed on so many threads on this forum based on that and I guess the shame is on you.

People only resort to insults when they are faced with superior logic on any issue otherwise why would insult be the chosen path to defending a position?

Negro_Ntns:
. . .it should not matter what ethnic group our President belongs to. . .we desire to have a person of merit to lead. So why isn't the other two major tribes confident and trustful of an Igbo leadership? What is the past relationship between these three tribes where one is in disfavor amongst the other two and that one has been kept out of Presidential seat for so long?

Kept out of Presidential seat for how long?

Military coups are purely military issues and as such cannot be used to talk about keeping any tribe out of presidential seat.

How many democratic elections have you held in this country since independence or even since after the war?

1963 - Igbo president and Hausa prime minister

1979 - Hausa president and Igbo Vice president

1983 - Hausa president and Igbo Vice president

1993 - election annulled

1999 - Yoruba president and Hausa Vice president

2003 - Yoruba president and Hausa Vice president

2007 - Hausa president and Ijaw Vice president

The dates and entries for presidents and vice presidents above are facts.

Mind you, a free and fair election was annulled because according to some people the alleged winner would not be trusted with the presidency.

Also remember that 1999 was possible for the South West as a result of compromise.

More importantly I want you to remember that we currently operate on rotational presidency so the issue of Igbos not being trusted with the presidency will only make sense when other regions have produced the president and at the turn of the South East it is denied the Igbos.

Until such a time comes, please hold your hatred for the Igbos as your points though based on a lot of fabricated articles and baseless insinuations have been crashing like mad since you started this thread.

Tudór:
Even if someone insults you shouldn't you ignore as you claim to be a honourable and decent man?

I should ignore the insult? Was that what you were thinking when you started insulting me just because you disagreed with my opinions?

Sorry to disappoint you as I will always respond to insults by people like you so that you understand that you cannot use them to dictate the pace or direction of any argument.

Educated minds should be able to agree or disagree on issues without resorting to insults. That you freely insult people and expect them to ignore you shows that you are either a kid or you are plain stupid to have such belief.

It is said that examination is not the best test of knowledge. This may be true but examination is extremely necessary so as to put paid to certain dragging issues.

On the issue at hand I believe there is a right answer just as there is a wrong answer and no matter how obvious the answer is it will be supremely difficult for someone who is wrong to agree with the answer that is correct.

A teacher walks into a class of say 40 students and introduces a topic and talks about it for the next 30 minutes, asks the class if there are any questions, the class choruses "No sir/ma". This ordinarily should mean that all the 30 students understood the topic to the extent that none of them had any questions to ask.

Now, the teacher decides to give a test on the topic just discussed/taught and after marking the result sheets of all the 30 students the teacher is shocked to see that the scores ranged from say 10% to 100% on a subject she introduced at the same time to the same people and conducted the test based within the boundaries of the subject taught that day.

But all the students claimed they had no questions even when some of them did not understand the subject.

This is what happens everyday with us. Some of us come here with the "I am right attitude" and that the rest are wrong regardless of the facts on ground.

While the students may have been humbled by the result of the test especially those that failed the test based on correctness or otherwise of their answers measured against a standard and correct answer the reverse is the case here where some faceless people sitting behind their computers would type away all manner of nonsense and yet be quick to insult others simply because they find themselves in a position where they cannot coherently put their thoughts down to be able to convince anyone on the issue at hand.

yommyuk:
beaf & afam - tudor and bastage were demanding concrete evidence. Is there any crime in that?

I will suggest you comment based on facts and objectivity and not bias. Bastage's first statement on this thread was - Afam. You are an idiot. Of course you see nothing wrong in it and ask if that is a crime. Please, don't make comments for the sake of making them and try to figure out the root cause of anything before taking sides based on convenience.

yommyuk:
In my opinion the war is more about ideology. 9/11 was the driving force. was it an immature move on part of the west? History says a war
against an ideology is hard to win. Oil may be another factor as you are stating. if so give us current proof like which companies are involved,
which govt agencies are involved (we need names) don't give us this jumbo jumbo bush theory.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Unfortunately, on this issue it is not about our individual opinions but about the facts on ground, facts that we me choose to ignore and refer to as conspiracy theories. While I respect your right to have opinions on anything I simply do not agree with them.

yommyuk:
I am not disputing your theory, but your evidence is Lame. That is Tudor's point

I thought you claimed we have not provided any evidence? Now, it is lame.

On Tudor, you have repeated the mistake you made on Bastage. I have never insulted anyone on this forum for having a different opinion on anything, however when people bring the insults I usually respond to them in kind.

So, if you are ok with people who will start their posts with insults on people just because they disagree with the person instead of defending a position on the issue at hand I am sorry I am not ok with that and I do not have any atom of respect or regard for such people and for you to openly agree with such people in spite of these wrong approaches only goes to show that you are like them.

I believe that any subject under the sun can be debated about by any one as long as there is mutual respect, maybe this is something quite a number of us are not used to. I did not grow up in environments where basic disagreements are settled by cursing and insulting the other parties even if they are our friends, colleagues and parents.

Bastage:
A lot of people see that word but don't understand what it means. They automatically assume that Zimbabwe is totally cut off as Iraq was by "sanctions". But this is utterly not the case.

And this clown for some strange and diabolical reasons believe he understands what he is talking about.

Bastage:
Tell me: what are the sanctions against Zimbabwe and when were they implemented?

Are you asking a question or you are being plain stupid? Which one?

Bastage:
Are you just going to post more drivel or are you going to actually answer the question of what NATO has to gain by being in Afghanistan? See, a fool like you has no understanding of world social stability. If you did, you would realise that Afghanistan is a global issue that affects every nation on this planet.
If NATO fail there, you better start getting measured up for your burkha my friend.

I don't answer questions put forward by bastards and idiots. How many times will I state this for you to understand?

Do I need to print out the content, shred it, soak it in water, split your dumb skull open and pour the mixture in space where the brain ought to have been and use super glue to keep the two parts of the stupid skulls together before you will understand basic things?

You are simply suffering from gross ignorance.

savanaha:
Listen to me! If you disagree with something I write that is fine go ahead but no need to claim I have no clue. I implore you to type sanctions and Zimbabwe and you will be able to know what sanctions. We actually discussed this in my political science lecture at my school. You don't have to believe everything but do yourself some good and do a little research no matter how small. Yes Zimbabwe has been sanctioned, hard to.

As for taking the land back. He started from the 80s talking about it. He reached agreements with England and they would set a time and the whites would back off on the deal as is the centuries old trick of going back on deals. Mugabee did not initially ask for everything back just that some of the lands be returned to the original owners who were displaced at the whim of a white man needing the land. Do you realize that at times there were white farmers that owned land as big as small Islands, in a continent that was not theirs to begin with?
His ignorance came from how he was attacked after taking the lands back. Whites distroyed whatever they could so that the people getting it would not be able to have much use of it. The West rained down on Mugabe and Zimbabwe for taking their things back that had been discussed for decades but no one had made a peep when black families were removed from land that had been theirs for centuries.

Thanks for the post. Tell them if you have the time.

As for me, repeating the same thing over and over again to these ignorant people is something I won't be doing on this forum as their number keeps increasing every other month.

Simple facts are dismissed and yet they expect one to address questions that may be downright stupid and senseless.

Empty barrel. It is obvious your parents did a very bad job in bringing you up even though it is understandable considering the fact you were an unwanted child that came as a result of mistake. A simple condom would have saved the world the embarrassment called Bastage.

No one can dispute the excesses or mistakes of Mugabe, not even Mugabe can do that. Most of his mistakes and wrong actions are well known.

However, what I have refused to swallow (from some Western media and other ignorant Nigerians even here on this forum) is that the West cannot be linked to the current problem in Zimbabwe.

This man was made a Knight by the Queen of England after many years of being in power.

Some of us have conveniently avoided the questions - What happened? When did the West realize Mugabe was bad? Can anyone absolve the West of its complicity in the IMF and World Bank dealings with Zimbabwe? Why was the opposition leader funded and supported by foreign nations?

Bastage:
That I'm fully confident of my understanding of the subject and am tired of reading the drivel written by uneducated buffoons

I never knew madness was part of your problem. Then this is really serious case. This your confidence fit make you believe say you be Obama if you no check am on time.

Seems the this clown is already too confused to be coherent.

Bastage:
Actually, I lied in my last post.

No need for the information, I know you have been lying all along on almost everything you put down here. It is common with people that are brought up by prostitutes.

When you are done with the lies and the insults just let me know. For now, keep entertaining the forum with your stupidity and foolishness.

Bastage:
I don't apologise to idiots - I find that only encourages them.

This is really serious. So you don't apologize to your father no matter what he does? Guy, you need help.

Bastage:
Afghanistan was a hotbed of extremism threatening to destabilise it's neighbours - especially Pakistan.
Afghanistan was the launchpad for the attacks on 9/11 - threatening to destabilise the wider world.

Seems this guy is reading a script he picked up from CIA or FBI office or even from Bush or Cheney's laptop. Real shame.

Bastage:
@Afam. I don't see anyone being punished here intellectually by either you or beaf. What I do see is a couple of idiots trying to act smart but just looking totally dumb.

Keep telling yourself that.

What do you expect from someone that starts a response to a post with "Afam. You are an idiot?" Clearly shows that you feel inferior and lack confidence in yourself.

It may make sense for you to go back to the Religion section where you constantly spew rubbish. Politics is certainly not something you can dabble into even if every single material is made available for you.

Beaf:
You're very good at running around in circles, were you once a puppy?

Another set of wheels for the slower brain;
http://web.archive.org/web/20011108145853/http://www.tampatrib.com/MGA3F78EFSC.html

Make sure to read it clearly and thoroughly. Damn!

@Beaf,

Why are you punishing this guy? He has made it clear that he is incapable of using his brain to think through anything let alone read anything clearly and thoroughly.

Have mercy on this guy as he has embarrassed himself very well on this forum that he hardly posts anything again as almost everyone he engages is telling him he is a huge clown and an empty barrel.

I am begging you on his behalf, please.

Bastage:
Afam. Intellectually you are a flea compared to me. Both my education and my mental capacities far outstrip those of a cretin like yourself.

As for the insult? Nice try. But I can do even better and your mother is even more of a LovePeddler. They call her "Bowling Ball" - she gets picked up, has three fingers rammed into her and is then thrown in the gutter.

Now that is out of the way, you pathetic shit-kicker, would you like to address the salient points that I've made?
How has Mugabe not screwed Zimbabwe into the ground? Just how exactly is it the fault of the West?

The problem with pigs like you is that you introduce insults in discussions just to divert attention or to hide you lack of ability to defend whatever position you may have.

And he is shamelessly talking about insults? Wonders shall never end. Idiots like this one will insult and turn around to complain when their insults are responded to in kind.

And the pig has the audacity to ask a question after starting a post with insult? Guy, go hang or better still take otapiapia. I may consider answering your questions once you meet the following conditions

1. You must withdraw and apologize for the unwarranted insult

2. You must ask your questions without insulting anyone as intelligent people do

3. You must not wait for any apology from me for my remarks because it was only fair for me to respond the way I did.

Let me know when you meet the conditions stated above.

Bastage:
Afam. You are an idiot.

Thanks. I will agree to be an idiot on the condition that you are one, you father is a bigger idiot and your mother is a shameless prostitute and you are a complete waste of orgasm.

Now we are on the same page welcome to the thread.

However, the only thing stopping me from responding to the incoherent and myopic content below is that doing so would only do you good as you will learn a thing or two so I will prefer you continue to swim in the ocean of ignorance you have found yourself in.

Bastage:
Zimbabwe's problems are rooted in African tribalism. Not anything that the West has done.
When Zimbabwe gained independence it was a wealthy nation. It doesn't matter a shit that the white farmers owned land - they made the country rich for the black man as well.
It wasn't the West which stole the election for Mugabe. It wasn't the West which sent out the militias to terrorise the people of Zimbabwe. It wasn't the West which stifled the free press. It wasn't the West which bleeped Zimbabwe's economy. It wasn't the West which imprisoned opposition leaders. It wasn't the West who beat, tortured and murdered the people of Zimbabwe.
It was a senile Shona fuckhead meglomaniac who is intent on clinging onto power at any costs.

Broda, all you've done is shown what a dipshit you are. You swallow Mugabe's propaganda like any good house-boy.

As for the cretin who keeps burbling on about sanctions crippling Zimbabwe. What a prick. What sanctions? Any time someone who knows nothing about Zimbabwe but wants to make a point, they drivel sanctions not even having the slightest clue what those sanctions are or what they do.

Are you in primary school or what? If you are a Nigerian then it is not surprising why people say our education system is messed up.

When you learn to address issues and ask questions or disagree with people without telling the world how mad and insane you are then I may respond to any of the nonsense you put up there, silly disgusting pig.

ilugunboy:
Without  Jan 15 1966 there would not have been any July 1966 or RETURN MATCH as they called it and probably things would have been differerent in Nigeria today

The statement above is a statement of fact and I agree completely with it.

Tudór:
Illiteracy is a disease.

Thank God this guy is realizing this, even though a bit late sha.

Maybe there is hope after all. I sincerely wish you well in the healing process as you try to cure this your disease.

Dede1:
@Afam

Late Senator and Flight Lieutenant A. Nwankwo, the Air force ADC to Gen. T. A. Ironsi traveled to Ibadan with the GOC. Also present in the government house during the arrest of Ironsi and Fajuyi were Lt. Sani Bello; the army ADC to Ironsi, Lt. Umar; ADC to Fajuyi, Lt. William Wulbe commanding officer in-charge of Ironsi’s security guards, Major Danjuma PSO to Ironsi, Lt. Col. H. Njoku; commander 2nd Battalion and Lt. John Onoja Adjutant of 4th Battalion.

@Dede1,

Thanks for the information.

So, Danjuma was the PSO to Ironsi and was the person that killed Ironsi, is this also factual? It seems that a lot of things have been twisted, adjusted, added or removed from the true account of events to the extent that one has to remove any form of bias or ethnic sentiments to get to the truth of the matter.

Beaf:
I even thought you'd have come back arguments that made sense. But you were either too lazy or daft to understand the articles. And you came back talking bullshit. When people are facing Lagos, your direction is towards gbangan like someone who is mentally lost. Damn!

Response of the year award nomination. Y ain't seen nothing yet with this Tudor of a guy, always talking nonsense, in fact incoherent nonsense for that matter.

Dede1:
Please do not join the lunatic bunch in spreading the shameful propaganda planted by the western region of Nigerian government publication of 1967 to save face for the region’s inability to stand up against aggression.

The claim of Lt. Col. F Fajuyi opting to die with Gen. Ironsi was and continues to be a blatant falsehood. I had the opportunity to talk to ADC to Ironsi, the late FLt and Senator Arthur Nwankwo, who categorically refuted such crap.

Also, in the Gowon’s biography by Eliegwu, then Lt. William Wulbe rubbished such claim in the interview he gave to Eliagwu. The Wulbe further hinted that Lt. Col. Fajuyi was indeed legitimate target because the military governor had been allegedly involved in the coup of January 15, 1966. Nobody receives options of life or death in the heat of coup d'etat

@Dede1,

Thanks for pointing out the issue of Late Fajuyi. This is news to me and I will attempt to verify just to be certain. Was Late Nwankwo with Ironsi when he was killed? I am aware of the job of an ADC by the way, my dad was an army officer so I am not unaware of the workings of the military, I just want to be sure we are all on the same page.

@topic,

It seems Nego_Ntns has chosen to believe completely what the FG bought out as investigation and report so it would certainly not make sense to take him serious because as human beings we have the freewill to believe what we want to believe whether right or wrong.

He keeps telling people to read the highly subjective piece and even thanked two people for doing so but when one of them confirmed that indeed the coup was not just an Igbo coup he started asking for clarification. What manner of man is this with so much hate in his system?

informed:
Guys, even N150, 000 - N400, 000 is not a chicken change to the average Nigerian. How many Nigerians can afford N150,000 talk less of N 600,000.  The solutions you guys are talking about are for a selected few who have very deep pockets and that's not the solution to our needs as a country. We need to come up with pocket friendly alternatives to the epileptic power situation. If anyone can come up with cheaper solar based products that can take the place of PHCN and still allow people to keep some money in their pockets, then such investors or innovators would smile to their banks.

I am presently working on some of such research projects in collaboration with some foreign and local NGO's and you'll be amazed at the kind of products and projects we have been able to come up with. These are very simple and pocket friendly products.

We are presently looking forward to passing these skills which are a result of our research to small scale investors interested in effecting change and putting PHCN out of business while they smile to their banks.

If you're interested in joining us on this crusade, just send your enquiries to solarbizness@gmail.com

When it comes to generating electricity or storing electricity to be used as back up the technologies involved are not hidden, they are well known so talking about a research that could be pocket friendly as you put it and still replace PHCN may not really make sense.

Looking for cheap products and/or components that are usually mass produced based on design assumptions that may not hold water here in Nigeria is one thing, doing research on how to generate electricity is yet another.

Backup systems are usually cheaper than generating systems for the same loads.

Good batteries cost money, reliable inverters cost money, installation is usually not free. These are for typical backup systems.

For systems where you have to generate your own electricity you will still set aside money for what I have listed above apart from the core generating modules like solar panels and wind turbines.

Again, wanting to power everything in the house will not cost you the same as someone wanting to power essential loads as this will be usually cheaper.

Seems this clown is doomed forever already as it is obvious he cannot engage in any issue without insults being part of the deal. Sorry, you are way back in time as regards making sense.

Beaf:
There is more to Afghanistan than meets the eye.
The Bin laden family was flown out of the US in a chartered plane after 9/11. At a time when flights where banned. It is well known that George Bush had business dealings with the Bin Ladens (thats another story).

The war in Afghanistan is over a path (called Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline) for Caspian oil to flow to the sea. Ahmed Kazai is an ex oil man
with Unocal. Look through CentGas and Unocal and out pop ambasadors and various key players in Afghanistan.

The oil in the Caspian basin is estimated to be worth over US $12 trillion

In 1998 privates Cheney, then CEO of Haliburton commented that "I can't think of a time when we've had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian." The same "hated" taliban mullahs were indeed invited over to Washington

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unocal_Corporation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamid_Karzai#Unocal_connection

There is always a hidden story, and the story is oil.

Please, tell them as it seems a lot of us here are simply too myopic and ignorant of the issues we dabble into.

However, I must warn you that the task is not an easy one because you will be faced with extremely ridiculous comments from people that think they know when in actual fact they know absolutely nothing on politics of this nature.

Sure, I agree with you on this one.

I never hide my dislike to the double standards and hypocrisy of the West as regards their meddling in the internal affairs of other sovereign nations especially to serve their selfish interests.

So, in fairness to them whenever we see objective analysis it makes perfect sense to applaud them.

Unfortunately, there are many people on this forum that sees any negative remark on the West to mean hatred for the West and some religious bigots would even push the envelop to include anti-semitism.

Tudór:
What's this rubbish you've written??
I take it you don't have a sensible answer to issues raised. . .don't be ashamed, not everyone was born with a brain.

The rubbish I have written is this - I will not entertain any questions from anyone that prefers to insult others when he/she is incapable of defending a position, simple as ABC.

That it may have been working for you all your life doesn't mean that I will tolerate it even for one second.

Using insults to win an argument remains a backward and unsuccessful strategy. Learn to use facts, truth, logic and common sense when debating with people especially on a public forum like this one.

I can answer any question you ask and if I don't know the answer I will state so, I won't be flogged for not knowing the answer to a question. But to be insulted by an idiot simply because he disagrees with my position and expect not to be responded to in kind? Never.

Bring the insults, I will respond to them accordingly as usual.

Hmm, this is one of the most objective comments coming from the US. One devoid of conspiracy theories, just issues and facts. Hope this is the new USA.

Tudór:
Btw do you have a reasonable answer to issues i raised rather than cowardly calling me stupid and unintelligent in an attempt to side-step issues??

I don't respond to idiots who insult people for having opposing positions on issues. When you learn to agree or disagree with people without the insults you throw about when you find yourself in a tight corner I will respond to any questions you may have.

I may not have the right answers to your questions but I will always respond to them but certainly not to anyone that cannot finish a sentence without insulting another simply because he/she disagrees with the person.

This is common with quite a number of Nigerians and it is a shame, real shame.