₦airaland Forum

yeswecan:
Your hatred for the west has taking a new shape

Typical response from a complete idiot.

Unlike you that hate people or nations based on religion and ethnicity I do not hate the West but will always speak out against any injustice I see in this world.

Of course when we run out of ideas or when we cannot challenge positions based on facts and logic we begin to see ghosts and create all sorts of distractions.

yeswecan:
The President of Iran makes his position of attacking Israel sound and crystal clear; he went as far as calling for the destruction of Israel, he currently sponsors two terrorist groups with the primary aim of attacking Israel through suicide booming and other terrorist activities, he seek nuclear arms with the aim of attacking Israel, he has read out plans to attack Israel and RichyBlacK facetiously thinks he is on a playing field.

RichyBlacK refers to Iran as a peaceful state, I wonder.

Name the terrorists groups.

What plans to attack Israel has he read out? Enlighten me please.

Who told you he seeks nuclear weapon? Must you swallow every nonsense the West says concerning nuclear weapons and Iran? If you have allowed what the West feels and assumes to become your foundation for discussion then I am really sorry for you.

From my mail box. Read and make up your minds based on facts.

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Myths And Lies – by Jaffer Ali

Knowing things with metaphysical certainty when most
of the world is operating under carefully constructed
myths is painful. Why? Knowing things that others do not
fosters a sense of existential loneliness and makes polite
conversation about many important things all but impossible.

Let's take the story that is being shoved down our throats
by almost all media sources now; the Iranian election
"fraud" and subsequent unrest. The news is augmented by
proclamations from Obama, France's Sarkozy, Germany's
Merkel, and just about every politician in the UK. Oh, I
forgot to mention the US Congress voting 404 to 1 support-
ing the protesters.

We are being told that the elections were rigged, even
though western pollsters all had Ahmadinejad ahead by a
2 to 1 margin on election's eve. This matters not to our
government which continues to place politicians in press
conferences dutifully covered by a pliant press corps.

The meme proliferating is that Americans must stand with
the Iranian people to spread democracy. We have heard this
clarion call for democracy since 1916 when Woodrow Wilson
wanted to make the world safe for its flowering.

We heard the call again many times after 2000 when GW Bush
convinced conservatives that spreading democracy was
essential for keeping America safe. But there is a huge
problem that most people just flat out miss.

Democracy has never, I REPEAT NEVER been a real principle
animating our foreign policy. You see principles cannot be
selectively applied and still remain principles. Selective-
ly applied principles become rationalizations for policy.
A brief overview is in order to prove the democracy myth's
selective application.

Wilson's proclamations of democracy after WW I exempted
the Middle East from the fruits of its principles. Monarchs
were installed from one end of the Middle East to the
other. Europe, the UK and the United States helped to
install these oil monarchs. After WW II, liberation
movements to free former colonies were supported by various
governments, of course the notable exceptions again were
the kingdoms in the Middle East which sat upon those huge
oil reserves.

Fast forward to 1953 in Iran. The US sent in the CIA to
overthrow the democratically elected Mussadiq and the Shah
was reinstalled. The Shah was of course a monarch and
dictator of the highest order. Here, the principle of
democracy actively overthrown, by our government.

Algerian Islamists won elections and the military coup that
followed was supported by the US. Democracy overthrown and
only just supported by our government.

In Pakistan, the democratically elected President was over-
thrown in a coup by General Musharraf. Democracy once again
overthrown and not only supported by the United States, but
funded with billions of dollars in aid.

Egypt's President Mubarrak, a brutal dictator throws his
political opposition in jail routinely. His anti-democratic
record is manifest, yet he remains at the top of the list
in US aid and support. Democracy advocates jailed by our
puppet with not a word of support for democracy.

In 1990, the US made war against Iraq to roll back their
attack on another anti-democratic regime; Kuwait. After
winning the war, instead of supporting democracy, our
government reinstalled the monarchy. Democracy? Nakedly
absent here to any willing to look past the delusional
media reporting.

In Palestinian territories, the US insisted on HAMAS
participation in elections because polls showed that US
supported FATEH would win. HAMAS won in a surprise outcome
in closely monitored elections. What did our government do
after the election? Refuse to accept the democratic will
of the people and refuse to deal with the DEMOCRATICALLY
ELECTED HAMAS.

Did I mention the fact that Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi,
Dubai, and the rest of the oil emirates have little to
no democratic processes? No matter, they have oil and
oil trumps principles any time.

And now, our government feigns another interest in
democracy. This time it is Iran that is the target of our
hypocrisy. It is not hyperbole to suggest that selectively
applied principles must inevitably lead to hypocrisy. And
there is so much that only a concerted propaganda effort
can hide the reality from the public.

Politicians, the media and pundits are unanimous in saying
the election was rigged. They also promote the idea that
the demonstrations are spontaneous. They ignore evidence of
CIA tampering, reportedly giving $400 million to dissident
groups.

<a href=" http://www.daily. pk/world/ middle-east/ 10469-cia- has-distributed- 400-million- dollars-inside- iran-to-evoke- a-revolution- .html ">
CIA has Distributed 400 Million Dollars Inside Iran to Evoke a Revolution</a>

Plus the US has supported Jundallah, a thuggish, drug
peddling anti-Ahmadinejad group based in Pakistan. Once
again to subvert the true, democratic will of the Iranian
people. Yet the media continue to suggest that we must
support democracy. Who can be against democracy? It is
like being against apple pie. The media is well paid for
their aggressive promotion of hypocrisy.

We will leave it for another day to determine whether
media pundits are stupid and ignorant of democratic
principles selectivity applied. But from this point
forward, when you hear any politician use lofty ideals
of democracy for the foundation of policy, please hold
them to those principles across the board. You will soon
find out that their rhetoric falls far short of meaningful
principle.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --
Jaffer Ali writes on media, ethics and politics.
He wrote Palestine:A Chronicle of Passion and Politics
and Corporate Soul.
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --
++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ ++++++++

From my mail box. Read and make up your minds based on facts.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
Myths And Lies – by Jaffer Ali

Knowing things with metaphysical certainty when most
of the world is operating under carefully constructed
myths is painful. Why? Knowing things that others do not
fosters a sense of existential loneliness and makes polite
conversation about many important things all but impossible.

Let's take the story that is being shoved down our throats
by almost all media sources now; the Iranian election
"fraud" and subsequent unrest. The news is augmented by
proclamations from Obama, France's Sarkozy, Germany's
Merkel, and just about every politician in the UK. Oh, I
forgot to mention the US Congress voting 404 to 1 support-
ing the protesters.

We are being told that the elections were rigged, even
though western pollsters all had Ahmadinejad ahead by a
2 to 1 margin on election's eve. This matters not to our
government which continues to place politicians in press
conferences dutifully covered by a pliant press corps.

The meme proliferating is that Americans must stand with
the Iranian people to spread democracy. We have heard this
clarion call for democracy since 1916 when Woodrow Wilson
wanted to make the world safe for its flowering.

We heard the call again many times after 2000 when GW Bush
convinced conservatives that spreading democracy was
essential for keeping America safe. But there is a huge
problem that most people just flat out miss.

Democracy has never, I REPEAT NEVER been a real principle
animating our foreign policy. You see principles cannot be
selectively applied and still remain principles. Selective-
ly applied principles become rationalizations for policy.
A brief overview is in order to prove the democracy myth's
selective application.

Wilson's proclamations of democracy after WW I exempted
the Middle East from the fruits of its principles. Monarchs
were installed from one end of the Middle East to the
other. Europe, the UK and the United States helped to
install these oil monarchs. After WW II, liberation
movements to free former colonies were supported by various
governments, of course the notable exceptions again were
the kingdoms in the Middle East which sat upon those huge
oil reserves.

Fast forward to 1953 in Iran. The US sent in the CIA to
overthrow the democratically elected Mussadiq and the Shah
was reinstalled. The Shah was of course a monarch and
dictator of the highest order. Here, the principle of
democracy actively overthrown, by our government.

Algerian Islamists won elections and the military coup that
followed was supported by the US. Democracy overthrown and
only just supported by our government.

In Pakistan, the democratically elected President was over-
thrown in a coup by General Musharraf. Democracy once again
overthrown and not only supported by the United States, but
funded with billions of dollars in aid.

Egypt's President Mubarrak, a brutal dictator throws his
political opposition in jail routinely. His anti-democratic
record is manifest, yet he remains at the top of the list
in US aid and support. Democracy advocates jailed by our
puppet with not a word of support for democracy.

In 1990, the US made war against Iraq to roll back their
attack on another anti-democratic regime; Kuwait. After
winning the war, instead of supporting democracy, our
government reinstalled the monarchy. Democracy? Nakedly
absent here to any willing to look past the delusional
media reporting.

In Palestinian territories, the US insisted on HAMAS
participation in elections because polls showed that US
supported FATEH would win. HAMAS won in a surprise outcome
in closely monitored elections. What did our government do
after the election? Refuse to accept the democratic will
of the people and refuse to deal with the DEMOCRATICALLY
ELECTED HAMAS.

Did I mention the fact that Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi,
Dubai, and the rest of the oil emirates have little to
no democratic processes? No matter, they have oil and
oil trumps principles any time.

And now, our government feigns another interest in
democracy. This time it is Iran that is the target of our
hypocrisy. It is not hyperbole to suggest that selectively
applied principles must inevitably lead to hypocrisy. And
there is so much that only a concerted propaganda effort
can hide the reality from the public.

Politicians, the media and pundits are unanimous in saying
the election was rigged. They also promote the idea that
the demonstrations are spontaneous. They ignore evidence of
CIA tampering, reportedly giving $400 million to dissident
groups.

<a href=" http://www.daily.pk/world/middle-east/10469-cia-has-distributed-400-million-dollars-inside-iran-to-evoke-a-revolution-.html ">
CIA has Distributed 400 Million Dollars Inside Iran to Evoke a Revolution</a>

Plus the US has supported Jundallah, a thuggish, drug
peddling anti-Ahmadinejad group based in Pakistan. Once
again to subvert the true, democratic will of the Iranian
people. Yet the media continue to suggest that we must
support democracy. Who can be against democracy? It is
like being against apple pie. The media is well paid for
their aggressive promotion of hypocrisy.

We will leave it for another day to determine whether
media pundits are stupid and ignorant of democratic
principles selectivity applied. But from this point
forward, when you hear any politician use lofty ideals
of democracy for the foundation of policy, please hold
them to those principles across the board. You will soon
find out that their rhetoric falls far short of meaningful
principle.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Jaffer Ali writes on media, ethics and politics.
He wrote Palestine:A Chronicle of Passion and Politics
and Corporate Soul.
-----------------------------------------------------------
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

From my mail box. Read and make up your minds based on facts.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
Myths And Lies – by Jaffer Ali

Knowing things with metaphysical certainty when most
of the world is operating under carefully constructed
myths is painful. Why? Knowing things that others do not
fosters a sense of existential loneliness and makes polite
conversation about many important things all but impossible.

Let's take the story that is being shoved down our throats
by almost all media sources now; the Iranian election
"fraud" and subsequent unrest. The news is augmented by
proclamations from Obama, France's Sarkozy, Germany's
Merkel, and just about every politician in the UK. Oh, I
forgot to mention the US Congress voting 404 to 1 support-
ing the protesters.

We are being told that the elections were rigged, even
though western pollsters all had Ahmadinejad ahead by a
2 to 1 margin on election's eve. This matters not to our
government which continues to place politicians in press
conferences dutifully covered by a pliant press corps.

The meme proliferating is that Americans must stand with
the Iranian people to spread democracy. We have heard this
clarion call for democracy since 1916 when Woodrow Wilson
wanted to make the world safe for its flowering.

We heard the call again many times after 2000 when GW Bush
convinced conservatives that spreading democracy was
essential for keeping America safe. But there is a huge
problem that most people just flat out miss.

Democracy has never, I REPEAT NEVER been a real principle
animating our foreign policy. You see principles cannot be
selectively applied and still remain principles. Selective-
ly applied principles become rationalizations for policy.
A brief overview is in order to prove the democracy myth's
selective application.

Wilson's proclamations of democracy after WW I exempted
the Middle East from the fruits of its principles. Monarchs
were installed from one end of the Middle East to the
other. Europe, the UK and the United States helped to
install these oil monarchs. After WW II, liberation
movements to free former colonies were supported by various
governments, of course the notable exceptions again were
the kingdoms in the Middle East which sat upon those huge
oil reserves.

Fast forward to 1953 in Iran. The US sent in the CIA to
overthrow the democratically elected Mussadiq and the Shah
was reinstalled. The Shah was of course a monarch and
dictator of the highest order. Here, the principle of
democracy actively overthrown, by our government.

Algerian Islamists won elections and the military coup that
followed was supported by the US. Democracy overthrown and
only just supported by our government.

In Pakistan, the democratically elected President was over-
thrown in a coup by General Musharraf. Democracy once again
overthrown and not only supported by the United States, but
funded with billions of dollars in aid.

Egypt's President Mubarrak, a brutal dictator throws his
political opposition in jail routinely. His anti-democratic
record is manifest, yet he remains at the top of the list
in US aid and support. Democracy advocates jailed by our
puppet with not a word of support for democracy.

In 1990, the US made war against Iraq to roll back their
attack on another anti-democratic regime; Kuwait. After
winning the war, instead of supporting democracy, our
government reinstalled the monarchy. Democracy? Nakedly
absent here to any willing to look past the delusional
media reporting.

In Palestinian territories, the US insisted on HAMAS
participation in elections because polls showed that US
supported FATEH would win. HAMAS won in a surprise outcome
in closely monitored elections. What did our government do
after the election? Refuse to accept the democratic will
of the people and refuse to deal with the DEMOCRATICALLY
ELECTED HAMAS.

Did I mention the fact that Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi,
Dubai, and the rest of the oil emirates have little to
no democratic processes? No matter, they have oil and
oil trumps principles any time.

And now, our government feigns another interest in
democracy. This time it is Iran that is the target of our
hypocrisy. It is not hyperbole to suggest that selectively
applied principles must inevitably lead to hypocrisy. And
there is so much that only a concerted propaganda effort
can hide the reality from the public.

Politicians, the media and pundits are unanimous in saying
the election was rigged. They also promote the idea that
the demonstrations are spontaneous. They ignore evidence of
CIA tampering, reportedly giving $400 million to dissident
groups.

<a href=" http://www.daily.pk/world/middle-east/10469-cia-has-distributed-400-million-dollars-inside-iran-to-evoke-a-revolution-.html ">
CIA has Distributed 400 Million Dollars Inside Iran to Evoke a Revolution</a>

Plus the US has supported Jundallah, a thuggish, drug
peddling anti-Ahmadinejad group based in Pakistan. Once
again to subvert the true, democratic will of the Iranian
people. Yet the media continue to suggest that we must
support democracy. Who can be against democracy? It is
like being against apple pie. The media is well paid for
their aggressive promotion of hypocrisy.

We will leave it for another day to determine whether
media pundits are stupid and ignorant of democratic
principles selectivity applied. But from this point
forward, when you hear any politician use lofty ideals
of democracy for the foundation of policy, please hold
them to those principles across the board. You will soon
find out that their rhetoric falls far short of meaningful
principle.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Jaffer Ali writes on media, ethics and politics.
He wrote Palestine:A Chronicle of Passion and Politics
and Corporate Soul.
-----------------------------------------------------------
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hello,

From my mailbox, read and make up your mind.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Myths And Lies – by Jaffer Ali

Knowing things with metaphysical certainty when most
of the world is operating under carefully constructed
myths is painful. Why? Knowing things that others do not
fosters a sense of existential loneliness and makes polite
conversation about many important things all but impossible.

Let's take the story that is being shoved down our throats
by almost all media sources now; the Iranian election
"fraud" and subsequent unrest. The news is augmented by
proclamations from Obama, France's Sarkozy, Germany's
Merkel, and just about every politician in the UK. Oh, I
forgot to mention the US Congress voting 404 to 1 support-
ing the protesters.

We are being told that the elections were rigged, even
though western pollsters all had Ahmadinejad ahead by a
2 to 1 margin on election's eve. This matters not to our
government which continues to place politicians in press
conferences dutifully covered by a pliant press corps.

The meme proliferating is that Americans must stand with
the Iranian people to spread democracy. We have heard this
clarion call for democracy since 1916 when Woodrow Wilson
wanted to make the world safe for its flowering.

We heard the call again many times after 2000 when GW Bush
convinced conservatives that spreading democracy was
essential for keeping America safe. But there is a huge
problem that most people just flat out miss.

Democracy has never,  I REPEAT NEVER been a real principle
animating our foreign policy. You see principles cannot be
selectively applied and still remain principles. Selective-
ly applied principles become rationalizations for policy.
A brief overview is in order to prove the democracy myth's
selective application.

Wilson's proclamations of democracy after WW I exempted
the Middle East from the fruits of its principles. Monarchs
were installed from one end of the Middle East to the
other. Europe, the UK and the United States helped to
install these oil monarchs. After WW II, liberation
movements to free former colonies were supported by various
governments,  of course the notable exceptions again were
the kingdoms in the Middle East which sat upon those huge
oil reserves.

Fast forward to 1953 in Iran. The US sent in the CIA to
overthrow the democratically elected Mussadiq and the Shah
was reinstalled. The Shah was of course a monarch and
dictator of the highest order. Here, the principle of
democracy actively overthrown, by our government.

Algerian Islamists won elections and the military coup that
followed was supported by the US. Democracy overthrown and
only just supported by our government.

In Pakistan, the democratically elected President was over-
thrown in a coup by General Musharraf. Democracy once again
overthrown and not only supported by the United States, but
funded with billions of dollars in aid.


Egypt's President Mubarrak, a brutal dictator throws his
political opposition in jail routinely. His anti-democratic
record is manifest, yet he remains at the top of the list
in US aid and support. Democracy advocates jailed by our
puppet with not a word of support for democracy.

In 1990, the US made war against Iraq to roll back their
attack on another anti-democratic regime; Kuwait. After
winning the war, instead of supporting democracy, our
government reinstalled the monarchy. Democracy? Nakedly
absent here to any willing to look past the delusional
media reporting.

In Palestinian territories, the US insisted on HAMAS
participation in elections because polls showed that US
supported FATEH would win. HAMAS won in a surprise outcome
in closely monitored elections. What did our government do
after the election? Refuse to accept the democratic will
of the people and refuse to deal with the DEMOCRATICALLY
ELECTED HAMAS.

Did I mention the fact that Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi,
Dubai, and the rest of the oil emirates have little to
no democratic processes? No matter, they have oil and
oil trumps principles any time.

And now, our government feigns another interest in
democracy. This time it is Iran that is the target of our
hypocrisy. It is not hyperbole to suggest that selectively
applied principles must inevitably lead to hypocrisy. And
there is so much that only a concerted propaganda effort
can hide the reality from the public.

Politicians, the media and pundits are unanimous in saying
the election was rigged. They also promote the idea that
the demonstrations are spontaneous. They ignore evidence of
CIA tampering, reportedly giving $400 million to dissident
groups.

<a href=" http://www.daily.pk/world/middle-east/10469-cia-has-distributed-400-million-dollars-inside-iran-to-evoke-a-revolution-.html ">
CIA has Distributed 400 Million Dollars Inside Iran to Evoke a Revolution</a>

Plus the US has supported Jundallah, a thuggish, drug
peddling anti-Ahmadinejad group based in Pakistan. Once
again to subvert the true, democratic will of the Iranian
people. Yet the media continue to suggest that we must
support democracy. Who can be against democracy? It is
like being against apple pie. The media is well paid for
their aggressive promotion of hypocrisy.

We will leave it for another day to determine whether
media pundits are stupid and ignorant of democratic
principles selectivity applied. But from this point
forward, when you hear any politician use lofty ideals
of democracy for the foundation of policy, please hold
them to those principles across the board. You will soon
find out that their rhetoric falls far short of meaningful
principle.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Jaffer Ali writes on media, ethics and politics.
He wrote Palestine:A Chronicle of Passion and Politics
and Corporate Soul.
-----------------------------------------------------------
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The hypocrisy and double standards of the West remains the major driver in some of the problems around the world especially when it comes to spreading democracy with guns and blood.

Hello,

From my mailbox, read and make up your mind.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Myths And Lies – by Jaffer Ali

Knowing things with metaphysical certainty when most
of the world is operating under carefully constructed
myths is painful. Why? Knowing things that others do not
fosters a sense of existential loneliness and makes polite
conversation about many important things all but impossible.

Let's take the story that is being shoved down our throats
by almost all media sources now; the Iranian election
"fraud" and subsequent unrest. The news is augmented by
proclamations from Obama, France's Sarkozy, Germany's
Merkel, and just about every politician in the UK. Oh, I
forgot to mention the US Congress voting 404 to 1 support-
ing the protesters.

We are being told that the elections were rigged, even
though western pollsters all had Ahmadinejad ahead by a
2 to 1 margin on election's eve. This matters not to our
government which continues to place politicians in press
conferences dutifully covered by a pliant press corps.

The meme proliferating is that Americans must stand with
the Iranian people to spread democracy. We have heard this
clarion call for democracy since 1916 when Woodrow Wilson
wanted to make the world safe for its flowering.

We heard the call again many times after 2000 when GW Bush
convinced conservatives that spreading democracy was
essential for keeping America safe. But there is a huge
problem that most people just flat out miss.

Democracy has never, I REPEAT NEVER been a real principle
animating our foreign policy. You see principles cannot be
selectively applied and still remain principles. Selective-
ly applied principles become rationalizations for policy.
A brief overview is in order to prove the democracy myth's
selective application.

Wilson's proclamations of democracy after WW I exempted
the Middle East from the fruits of its principles. Monarchs
were installed from one end of the Middle East to the
other. Europe, the UK and the United States helped to
install these oil monarchs. After WW II, liberation
movements to free former colonies were supported by various
governments, of course the notable exceptions again were
the kingdoms in the Middle East which sat upon those huge
oil reserves.

Fast forward to 1953 in Iran. The US sent in the CIA to
overthrow the democratically elected Mussadiq and the Shah
was reinstalled. The Shah was of course a monarch and
dictator of the highest order. Here, the principle of
democracy actively overthrown, by our government.

Algerian Islamists won elections and the military coup that
followed was supported by the US. Democracy overthrown and
only just supported by our government.

In Pakistan, the democratically elected President was over-
thrown in a coup by General Musharraf. Democracy once again
overthrown and not only supported by the United States, but
funded with billions of dollars in aid.


Egypt's President Mubarrak, a brutal dictator throws his
political opposition in jail routinely. His anti-democratic
record is manifest, yet he remains at the top of the list
in US aid and support. Democracy advocates jailed by our
puppet with not a word of support for democracy.

In 1990, the US made war against Iraq to roll back their
attack on another anti-democratic regime; Kuwait. After
winning the war, instead of supporting democracy, our
government reinstalled the monarchy. Democracy? Nakedly
absent here to any willing to look past the delusional
media reporting.

In Palestinian territories, the US insisted on HAMAS
participation in elections because polls showed that US
supported FATEH would win. HAMAS won in a surprise outcome
in closely monitored elections. What did our government do
after the election? Refuse to accept the democratic will
of the people and refuse to deal with the DEMOCRATICALLY
ELECTED HAMAS.

Did I mention the fact that Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi,
Dubai, and the rest of the oil emirates have little to
no democratic processes? No matter, they have oil and
oil trumps principles any time.

And now, our government feigns another interest in
democracy. This time it is Iran that is the target of our
hypocrisy. It is not hyperbole to suggest that selectively
applied principles must inevitably lead to hypocrisy. And
there is so much that only a concerted propaganda effort
can hide the reality from the public.

Politicians, the media and pundits are unanimous in saying
the election was rigged. They also promote the idea that
the demonstrations are spontaneous. They ignore evidence of
CIA tampering, reportedly giving $400 million to dissident
groups.

<a href=" http://www.daily.pk/world/middle-east/10469-cia-has-distributed-400-million-dollars-inside-iran-to-evoke-a-revolution-.html ">
CIA has Distributed 400 Million Dollars Inside Iran to Evoke a Revolution</a>

Plus the US has supported Jundallah, a thuggish, drug
peddling anti-Ahmadinejad group based in Pakistan. Once
again to subvert the true, democratic will of the Iranian
people. Yet the media continue to suggest that we must
support democracy. Who can be against democracy? It is
like being against apple pie. The media is well paid for
their aggressive promotion of hypocrisy.

We will leave it for another day to determine whether
media pundits are stupid and ignorant of democratic
principles selectivity applied. But from this point
forward, when you hear any politician use lofty ideals
of democracy for the foundation of policy, please hold
them to those principles across the board. You will soon
find out that their rhetoric falls far short of meaningful
principle.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Jaffer Ali writes on media, ethics and politics.
He wrote Palestine:A Chronicle of Passion and Politics
and Corporate Soul.
-----------------------------------------------------------
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The hypocrisy and double standards of the West remains the major driver in some of the problems around the world especially when it comes to spreading democracy with guns and blood.

Death penalty: The surest way to tackle economic crimes

It is a well known fact that people commit crimes based on the punishment applicable for the crimes. Armed robbery though a violent crime is not as common as other vices because armed robbers are usually killed in action, even when caught in action are usually killed by Nigerians or shot by the police (before ay formal trial) or when arrested are usually sentenced to death by the courts.

Compare this to the widespread and wicked looting of the public treasury by the same people that were either voted in or rigged their ways into public office in Nigeria with very minimal and ineffective punishment for the guilty ones.

On radio, TVs, newspapers etc corruption is campaigned against yet nothing is done to deter would be looters and the result is that looters are devising more and more ways to steal money belonging to the people knowing fully well that nothing serious would come out of it even if caught in the act with all the evidence in the world.

The recent N6.2B Rural Electrification Agency (REA) scam is a case that should make every single well meaning Nigerian to have pity for this country.

The disturbing thing here is that some vocal Nigerians in the Power Probe that saw contractors abused, Nigerians misinformed, unnecessary delays in different projects and the alleged N100M bribe are(?) fingered in this REA scam and this smacks of sheer wickedness and unadulterated hypocrisy by the very people that want Nigerians to believe that they are fighting for them.

Would our leaders willingly loot the public treasury if we had a working death penalty plan in place with zero tolerance for convicted looters?

China is working today (economically) because it does not tolerate the type of corruption and looting of public treasury that we tolerate in this country. China does not pay lip service to issues concerning corruption. Leaders from all works of life once convicted are put to death. Very simple and efficient strategy.

The country (China) is better off today economically than almost all the developed countries that oppose capital punishment just to be politically correct but I guess China does what is best for the people of China and not what is best for the international community and this is very commendable.

Let Nigerians do what is right and see whether things will not change for the better.

Picture this, every other month a convicted ex-governor, law maker, public office holder etc is publicly executed for looting of public treasury and other economic crimes that destroy this country.

Who then would want to steal from the national, state or LGA coffers knowing fully well that once convicted would be tied to a stake and publicly executed where the same people you have stolen from and oppressed with the stolen money would see you breathe your last?

Lagosians today do their best to obey traffic rules. These rules have always been there but this time around very stiff penalties await offenders or defaulters and the roads in Lagos today are free from abandoned broken down molues and parked cars that tend to cause unnecessary traffic jams.

As a matter of fact Nigerians are now using seat belts (even though vehicles naturally come with these seat belts), even okada riders and their passengers now use crash helmets. What really happened? Why are Nigerians now obeying the laws?

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Afam want argue with the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8118139.stm

If Afam is honest, having based his claim of Ahmadinejad's supposed strong popular support on this story, he will have to admit that the facts make a mockery of him.

Just as Florida suddenly went to Bush after the initial forecast and results gave the state to Al Gore?

So BBC does not know the difference between 105 did not show up and 105 showed up.

Tudór:
Yes, but behaving suspiciously and supporting terrorism will make any lie against you much more believable .

A lie is a lie. It does not matter whether it is believed or not.

The behavior of US is more suspicious to me and in terms of supporting the killing of innocent people in the world the US remains a pace setter when compared to Iran.

Let us base these on facts and forget sentiments and personal likes and dislikes here.

mikeansy:
What Ahmadinejad is yet to explain to Iranians and the World is why a man with 63% majority is so afraid of election re-run.

Rather than have a re-run that is openly monitored, this man has chosen to use secret militiamen to maim and kill his people to accept the fraud called election.

Wonderful, so anytime someone loses an election there must be a re-run? What's this?

mikeansy:
@Afam

Of the 290 MPs only 105 attended. Thats roughly 1/3 attending and 2/3 staying away. Also conspicously absent is the fiery hardline speaker Ali Larijani.
Besides I don't also think its accurate to suggest that a particular proportion of support from the political class means the same amount of support from the wider public.

The content in bold refers, where and when did the statement 105 did not turn up turn to 105 attended?

More internal divide and power struggle?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8118139.stm

More than 100 MPs appear to have snubbed an invitation to celebrate Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's election win, local press reports say.

All 290 MPs were invited to the victory party on Wednesday night but 105 did not turn up, the reports say.

Considering the fact that this report made 2 clear statements as regards the number of people invited and those that did not turn up I will effortlessly throw into the trash can your own reference that seems to be almost the same thing with the original reference but with the deliberate removal of "not" in the statement "night but 105 did not turn up" just to change the meaning and the number to favor the opposition.

This is criminal mutilation of information and very shameful indeed.

If after all the protests and destruction witnessed in that country and 2/3 of the MPs attended the victory party it means one thing and one thing alone - 2/3 of Iranians wants the president to remain in power, 2/3 voted for him and the 2/3 is strong enough to sustain and handle any 1/3 that may constitute the opposition.

Tudór:
Only time will tell. . .
Terrorist nations can only be tolerated for so long. . .

Exactly, just as we all know now that Iraq had WMD and that the illegal invasion of that country by Bush and his co travelers based on lies was actually based on facts.

This is how we fail exams.

Was the 2/3 consistent before the elections based on the polls? Yes. I am certainly not interested in your explanations or conspiracy theories about the polls being wrong or electioneering being after.

The simple fact remains that 2/3 of the Iranians that took part in some (if not all) of the polls were in favor of Ahmedinejad. The polls were not meant for foreigners so keep your theories to yourself.

The election proper nko? 2/3.

Now out of the 290 MPs 2/3 attended. This simply means that 2/3 of Iranians supported Ahmedinejad.

As a matter of fact the protests and the shouts of rigging should have made even more people to oppose Ahmedinejad but here we are having 2/3 of all the MPs in Iran attending a victory party of the same people some of you claim did not win the election.

Lies will always fall like a pack of cards, anytime anyday.

Ellyptical:
You call Isreal evil right? Because they want to respond before Iran uses a nuke to wipe the out right?

So, it is ok for Israel to respond by probably bombing another nation before Iran uses a nuke to wipe it out?

Where did you get this idea that Iran has or is building a nuclear weapon?

And you have the guts to ask someone for his IQ tests? Wonders shall never end.

Ellyptical:
Ok.
The Israeli PM has accepted to recognize Palestine. The Arab world has still refused to acknowledge Israel.
Israel is not the problem. The land is not the problem. If you airlift all the jews from Israel and relocated them to a fresh empty land, the arabs will still go there to claim the land.

Can you tell my why the Arab League has refused to unilaterally accept Israel even after Israel has accepted to recognize Palestine?

Arab world? You want all the Arab countries in the world to come together, hold a party and acknowledge Israel?

But it is ok for US to fund, support and arm Israel but not ok if any arab country refuses to acknowledge Israel for killing Palestinians?

ElRazur:
More internal divide and power struggle?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8118139.stm

More than 100 MPs appear to have snubbed an invitation to celebrate Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's election win, local press reports say.

All 290 MPs were invited to the victory party on Wednesday night but 105 did not turn up, the reports say.

I love facts.

Opinion polls before the election showed that Ahmedinejad was the preferred candidate with about 2/3.

Election proper had the same man having about 2/3.

Demonstrations concentrated in Tehran while other provinces remained largely quiet.

Now a victory party with all 290 MPs invited saw only 190 MPs attending.

So, about 2/3 of all the MPs attended the victory party.

CONCLUSION

The fact is that the 2/3 has remained consistent before, during and after the election.

Facts are facts and they don't lie.

With the death penalty passed into law in Enugu State I think it will be a wonderful idea to use them as very clear examples.

With N70M ransom for a couple of days job do you think they will settle for any regular job?

Depilot:
I disagree with your post. i think we all need to first stop thinking as if Nigeria is a village. What is the big deal in answering few questions just like others?
Ribadu has been invited for almost 1 year while he was in Nigeria, but ignored all invitations. Please don't forget that he just left the country few months ago. The least he could have done while in Nigeria was to show up in the court of law, and I guarantee you he wouldn't have been killed right there. If they want him dead, he would have been dead very long time ago. Please let us pay attention and be sensible for a change.
This guy is also my guy, but let us set bullshit aside and think. He has a single head just like others.
If Ribadu is successful in getting away with this senseless action, how many more in Nigeria do you think will tap into following the same steps to avoid going to court?
I'm not saying this man is guilty of any of the charges, but he must come forward and clear the air.
Abeg, let us start thinking with our head not our foot.

With the level of reasoning here (in spite of the facts) I think now is a good time to think with our foot if thinking with our head will only result in the nonsense being put down here by this guy.

While Ribadu was in Nigeria what were the allegations and did the courts ask for Ribadu while he was in Nigeria?

This same Ribadu believed in the courts and went to court himself to challenge things but when assassins pump spray your car (while inside) with bullets and without any protection and powerful people he investigated promising to deal with him it will only amount to gross stupidity to expect him to return to Nigeria to defend an allegation of non declaration of assets.

If all our leaders have been guilty of non declaration of assets instead on senseless loot of public funds and stashing them away in foreign banks Nigeria would have been a wonderful place for us to live in today.

Anyone that makes the issue of no declaration of assets an important one to the extent of risking the life of someone that was nearly assassinated in a country where the rich and the powerful kill opponents both real and perceived deserves to spend at least 10 years in a mental home.

cre8tivity:
@afam: i have no comment for you at this time.

I understand, take am easy. You will be just fine if you leave out personalities when disagreeing with people on public forums.

@topic,

The best fight against corruption till date was fought by this man.

We do not want him killed all in the name of luring him back to Nigeria to answer to non declaration of assets. He is not even being accused of stealing or looting and we want him to risk his life?

This same man was nearly assassinated while in Nigeria, no one could protect him, not the police, not the government he served, only God delivered him from the assassin's bullets and some people here want him to come down.

Only God knows how many of us here are actually working undercover for some corrupt people or even government kpakpa.

cre8tivity:
this is a good sample why we can never move forward in this country.
so because ribadu has done a "GREAT" job, he should be permitted to rubbish our rules and regulation? what exactly are we teaching our kids in nigeria?
regardless of the past, regardless of who has gotten away with murder in nigeria, the correction must start from somewhere and some day. we can not continue to give excuses for these people who only capitalize in rubbishing our Constitution, taking advantage of their position and stealing our money.
and the very sad part of nigerians is the fact that no-one is willing to put stop to this craziness, or stand upright for what is right. we all tend to have 1 or 2 excuses for our heroes (even without knowing the fact); some of us will defend adedibu till next year, while others will defend akala and ribadu till tomorrow, this is absurd.
when exactly are we going to discover a true leader among us?
mr. afam, it is clear to me that you're not a leader and i'm sorry that you can never be one.

@cre8tivity, BigB1 or IBB's son,

Thanks for the comments you posted above.

At least you addressed me as Afam which is my real name.

Can you do this forum a favor and stop using multiple usernames and consistently denying that you are IBB's son?

While I understand your hatred for Ribadu for daring to state that IBB was very very corrupt I hope you understand that you cannot fool all the people all the time.

With zero credibility on your part I see most of your comments as trash and fit for the dust bin.

By the way I have never claimed to be a leader neither have I told you I intend to be one. One thing I will not become is someone without credibility and nothing in this world will make me deny my father just because a lot of Nigerians openly make their views on him known.

Depilot:
From what you have listed (groundless rumors), it is obvious that you read too much Nigerian newspaper. I see no need to entertain you, it is Ok to accept whatever gives you peace at night.
I just wonder how long it will take many of us to start thinking on our own!

There are useful thoughts just as there are useless thoughts so the idea of thinking on our own does not guarantee that we think right.

Groundless rumors that he was nearly assassinated but for the bullet proof vehicle? You are just a big clown.

Ellyptical:
@Kobo,
My Dear, I have on several occasions explained to you that you seem to have an identity crises but your recent behaviour shows that your case may have deepened. While you are known to always try to move against the direction of general opinion, your recent statement on this thread shows how myopic you can be all because you want to say something opposing what every one is saying.
Do not get me wrong. I admire the boldness is takes to speak against the general view but i detest empty and irrational boldness.
Does the poster in anyway support the killings carried out by the Nigerian police? Does the fact that the police commits such offences justify this case in china? Can you prove that nigerians do not cry for justice when a policeman commits a killing? Did you watch the video of the mob action (that resulted in death) carried out on a police man that killed an innocent civilian near churchgate (if i can still recall) in lagos?
You need to rediscover yourself. You are not yourself. The "you" in you is defined by what the environment is saying., meaning that while you think you stand hard and firm, you are tossed around by the slightest wave - though tossed in the opposite direction.
I can bet that if i open a new thread "Call For Justice : Pilice Kills Innocent Citizen" you will jump out and ask
"Why do we not call for action when a citizen is killed in China.
Once again Tracy,
Rediscover yourlself.
You need a psychologist!
Obtigado.

U sabi the guy well well. I have told him that he will self destruct on this forum with his many unguarded and silly remarks based on ignorance.

Depilot:
All the charges brought against this guy have been consistent for almost a year.
And what bothers me the most is the fact that Ribadu goes all over the world talking about everything but the charges against him. He criticizes the same Yaradua he helped brought to Aso Rock.

If you are a lawyer you will know that these charges are very simple and straight forward if you're clean.
Ribadu has left many of us with no other option but to believe that he has something very dirty to hide; if not he would have come forward to answer all these questions and make his supporters proud.
But instead, he is busy roaming about and attacking the new government (he assisted in putting together), which I do not think is different from the one Ribadu himself worked for, just couple of years ago.

I think these bastards are all the same at the end of the day. I honestly believe that supporting Ribadu at this point is the beginning of playing a damn fool.

1. Is this poster aware that Ribadu's car was riddled with bullets while he was in the car by suspected assassins?

2. This poster simply prefers Ribadu to fly into the country to defend non declaration of asset not stealing or looting public funds even if it means the young man being killed in the process by the powers that be.

It is a shame that while we are trying to appear smart we have ended up exposing our gross ignorance and shallow level of reasoning on a public forum.

Bad belle united.

Even with all the mistakes Ribadu may have made as EFCC chairman he is 100% better than over 90% of people trying to make nonsense of his stewardship and the fact that other nations and bodies require his services is enough to prove that he was and certainly is what some Nigerians are desperately trying to make him out to be.

If we had up to 4 Ribadu's in different areas in Nigeria a lot of positive changes would have taken place.

Dr Abati is one Nigerian that has enjoyed a lot of readership from Nigerians to the extent that his blunders are overlooked based on the assumptions that he may actually know what he is talking about.

I have come across articles he wrote where he delved into issues he never had a sound knowledge about or made public opinions and conclusions based on limited knowledge and wrong premises.

I have also realized that he hardly ever responds to rejoinders especially where he must have made mistakes in his original articles -  something that is common with the regular print media where some people at the editorial table decide what gets printed or not.

Thank God for the internet, opinions can be freely challenged, conclusions can be torn to shreds and the era of one way communication channel (from newspaper to readers) is giving way to 2 way communication or even all way communication.

However, Dr Abati is a fine writer but it would do him a whole lot of good if he takes time to research or confirm information before making any categorical statements on anything lest he gets the type of well thought out and flawless response from Banky W.

As a matter of fact Dr Abati's generation has contributed a great deal to the sorry state of this country when compared to the strides the younger generation is making today and this should be easy to come to terms with.

Boy! This is "A night of a thousand laughs. Volume 33"

Ikomi:
Well Afam at this point I would dissapoint you I strongly Agree with Tayo-D on this one

Afam remember I asked you to approach him with caution. His about to drag you in the mud.

Surely Tayo-D there is hope for you, if only you would keep quite sometimes. 

So dear Tayo-D whenever we use the FO word you know who we are referring to.

In fact I knew that was where he was heading to. Whenever he is cornered he tries to drag people down with him.

See how the thread has turned into bible verse.

As usual he prefers to see his own views as the most correct. Na wah!

Considering the title of the guy's piece "Not every Nigerian is a fraudster" then he has not done anything wrong and has every reason to highlight his achievement considering the fact that negative news about Nigeria spread so fast every where.

Tayo-D:
@Afam,

I can now see you've decided to stop the pretending and come out swinging with your best shot.  Like I noted above, one other way of responding to a question is to come out attacking personalities. By the time this is over, I'm sure you'll be crying you only reponded to insult in kind, never minding the fact that you started throwing it around first. Apart from folly of course, hypocrisy is a "virtue" you exhibit so well.

It is not my job to educate you, so I will not bother.  I can not hope to impact knowledge to someone who wasted all the years he spent in school.  If people who are paid to do the job failed at it, what hope do I have?
Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? (Afam) There is more hope for a fool (Tayo-D)  than for him. - Proverbs 26:12.

Of course, I always respond to posts in kind and on time too.

I am certain you have carefully ignored some of the words you have used in these exchanges while hoping to claim that I started any form of insults.

As stated earlier, what you think is right does not equate to what is right.

Thanks for putting the names in the bible verse you reproduced above, at least we can refer to that from time to time.

Tayo-D:
@Afam,

I can see that my response has eaten deep into your pride. That I mentioned two ways does not make it exhauistive. If you think you are smart, I'll reveal something else to you which you could add to the growing list.

One other way to answer a question is to attack the personality of the person who asked the question. This is obviously your prefered option and you have done that several times on nairaland.

So while I never said the list was exhaustive, you implied the one you created is. See your folly again?

Perhaps you will do well to take the advise you gave me. You need it much more than I do. I am not so proud to think I am always right. You probably think everyone entertains such silly thought like you do. I do not. I have room to learn, to grow and to evolve.

So while you go to bed or lay on your mat tonight, you will do well to talk yourself out of the lies you've fed yourself over the years - that you are always right!

Guy, you are clutching at thin air this time around. Maybe you need to be more precise when you communicate with people and stop making excuses and trying to justify your blunders.

Tayo-D:
@Afam,
The folly of a question can be revealed in two ways.  The first is to ask a rhetorical question that will make the questioner to think through his question as he obviously did not do so the first time.  The second way is to answer the question in such a ridiculous way that the questioner will be embarassed by his question.  I have chosen the former.

Back to the 2 way stuff.

Not only did you inform us that you can do something in 2 ways you went ahead and categorically broke them down into "the first" and "the second".

This problem has been with many of your posts. You make a statement, you get challenged and before you know it you make a u-turn, introduce some diversions and round up with many meaningless or irrelevant questions just to appear to be making sense.

Stick to the issues raised.

Meanwhile, I do not believe that I am always right but I try as much as possible to be right all the time if I can, nothing wrong with that.

He that knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool - Tayo-D.

He that knows not and knows that he knows not is a wise man - Afam.

That is the difference between the two of us.

So, on issues I don't have enough information to be able to take a stand on I read and learn from what others are putting down and independently read up related materials to confirm some of the positions.

I don't jump into issues and I don't believe that the US and Israel are two perfect countries in the world regardless of atrocities they commit.

I certainly do not also believe that Islam is evil, every Arab is a terrorist or suicide bomber or that Palestinians are just pawns in spite of their plights.

Tayo-D:
So it was just a law enforement issue baa? Only Bush thought it was a war and yet congress has been funding same war even under Obama. Only Bush thinks its a war and yet many nations contributed troops to fight terror. I can see the only reality you live in is the one you've made up in your mind. Please persist in it if it makes you happy.

There have been consequences of the lie that you call war on terror from Spain to US and to Britain so there is no point in explaining them again.

Tayo-D:
I don't have a problem if he wants to fight the West. Question is how many of those on the streets of Tehran are from the West?  How many of those protesters are diplomats as someone else put it?

The protesters don't have to be from the West to carry out any West sponsored protests (assuming it is a fact that the West supporting the protesters). This should be easy for you to understand.

Ikomi made the comments below, read it and learn from it because the same thing happened in Afghanistan and Iraq where citizens from those countries were in US and after invading the countries these guys suddenly became either the president or the major power broker. These are facts even though I know you don't give a damn about them.

In 1953 when President Mosadek had a plan to take away Iran's oil from American Comapnies, and stop them from making excess profit from it, at the expense of Iranians,  the then American govt. paid rogues and thugs to stage protest, in other that the army would have a reason to unseat Mosadek. The plan was successful, Mosadek was thrown out of power and the Shah of Iran who was in Exile in America went back to Iran and became the President.

tpiah:
um.

You take things too personally- and yes, I dont doubt you're a wife batterer, with the way you're carrying issues on your head.

This thread started how long ago? You're just heating up now?

Not good.

What have you been drinking of late?

The last time I put down anything on this thread (before yesterday) was June 12 2009.

On June 22 2009 you came back, reproduced a comment I made and used same to continue from where you stopped some weeks ago.

And you have the guts to talk about someone heating it up now.

Thanks for letting me know what you think but what you think is completely meaningless to me.