₦airaland Forum

greatgenius: the truth is that the soul is everywhere in, through, and around you. It is that which contains you. you have to understand that you are more than your body,that there is something larger, way larger that you are. There is. Literally. The soul is larger than the body.It is not carried within the body, but carries the body within it.it is that which holds our body together just as the soul of "God" is that which contains the universe and holds it together.

This is deep

zumbigbo: Igbos have noting 2 offer than criminal mindset.they don happy 2 robbed nigerian without proscution but they will be kill 1 by 1.lagoos arrested 4 animal igbo 4 robbery burn them alive serve foolish tribe right

Your mother should have scooped the south-ward dribble of creamy effluence that dripped down the side of her thigh, post-coitus with that two-headed, red-eyed ram that you creatively call your 'Father' and used that as offering to appease those detesting the onset of her half-dog/half ram throwback, known as yourself.

Kettle calling the pot black...

greatgenius: Your soul knows more than you think it knows. the soul holds all the secrets of the universe. you know and envisioned exactly how you wanted to be born and the events leading to your birth happened exactly how you wished for.

every choice has its result. the choices are infinite just as the results but every choice has it corresponding result. if you understand this you would know that what i said rubbishes not the concept of freewill and choice. like i said it happened exactly the way it happened and no other way because of the choices made.

Therefore, God is nowhere in particular, because to be somewhere in particular, God would have to not be somewhere else.which is not possible for God.


well there is really not like good and evil at a fundamental level in the universe. everything is just is. it is perception that frames reality and good and evil is based on perception.Therefore the perception of good and evil depends on the one perceiving it. If you perceive something as good, then to you it is good. If you perceive something as evil, then to you it is evil.

Good and evil are both based on judgements..To consider something better than or worse than is a judgment. Evil is something of inferior quality compared to something better, therefore a lesser good is considered evil when compared with a greater good. When there is no judgment, there is no consideration of something being better or worse than another. everything is accepted.
When you see from a place of non judgment, one thing is not considered to be better or worse than another, but it is just different..

I just had a mental or.gasm

wiegraf: I didn't notice you were the op. So, like your op says, how can it be good if it's responsible for evil? Are you accepting it's claims of greater good on faith? Who gets to determine what is 'good' anyways?


Let alone plus omnibenovelent, but we can ignore that. And also that 2 omnixx are impossible in the way most people imagine, the other sketchy, but that's another debate.

If I am going to accept the claims of religion, with the current reality, I'll give their personality of God at most 2 out of the 3. So either He loves the child and can do something about it but doesn't know or knows and loves the child but can't do something about it or can do something about it and knows but doesn't love the child. We're actually on the same page

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Allow me to chip in here: Your answer is a non-answer, it is either matter is real or it is an illusion, it cannot be both. That's like asking you if you are married or a bachelor and you reply by saying that you are a "married bachelor". It makes no logical sense.
Unfortunately greatgenius also commits this logical blunder when he claims that "God both is and is not" and "God is both light and darkness".[/quote]Well if you say I have to pick one, I'll go with an illusion. This illusion is however real to us because we are in it. I did some reading on quantum physics and the mechanics of it which is why I think it's an illusion, turns out matter isn't what it seems to be. And also if you break every physical thing that exists past its subatomic levels and down to its basic form, there is actually "nothing" there. I read somewhere that things get smaller to infinity

wiegraf: How can this god, not yours, not be evil? Especially if they hold he's responsible for creation? He would be responsible for having created everything, nazi's included for instance, yes?

Yes

greatgenius: since this is a discussion let me give you another angle to think about and answer.. is matter an illusion or real?

I agree with all the things you said earlier, and to answer this question as best as I can, matter is a real illusion.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]1. If God is simply everything, then God isn't anything in particular but just a synonym for all things therefore God wouldn't really exist since there would be no distinction between God and anything else.
Perhaps you may want to clarify by telling me what God is not.


3. If God is really just an observer and we are co-creator with God and the same as God, are you not somehow implying that God is both creator and created. This would be a logical absurdity because you would be saying that God created God. For something to create another thing, it must first exist. An entity cannot bring itself into existence. It is either it exists eternally or it is brought into existence by something else.[/quote]I know this isn't addressed to me but I'll just say what I feel. You are correct in saying that if God is everything then God isn't anything in particular and I like your paradox that God cannot be both creator and created. Combining the two observations begs the question "does anything physical actually really exist? or is the world as we know it something of an illusion? Refer to quantum mechanics if you can

davkin: Is life is of great impotance to GOd thats y he was called by GOd rather than leave ere to evolve into something vice

So why didn't God call Hitler and others who have perpetrated great evil on the world back to safety? are you saying God is partial?

greatgenius: 1. you misunderstood me. my point was which i made clear in my second post was that God is not necessarily a HE as has been depicted by religion. but God is all things. and in our world since somethign is either a she/he or it, and God being all things and all there is, thus my she/he/it depiction... but you cant really personify because he is every-thing and no-thing.

2. satan does not really exist. he is a man made creation....but i agree with you if you say that God causes famine. why? because as stated earllier God is all things. And since man is God made flesh then technically you could say God causes famine.. i am trying to keep answers simple becuase i want y9u to think for yourself.

3. the simple answer is that we could choose to end all natural disasters this very instant because humans like all beings in the universe create our realities.

I agree with all what you said... But I'll take it you don't buy into the popular religions such as Christianity or Islam etc. They'll disagree with what you said but I think you're on point

wiegraf: Do you hold that god is omnipotent? And does omnipotency imply omniscience

I don't hold that there's is a personality called God in the first place. But religion says God is both omnipotent and omniscient [They don't imply each other]

greatgenius: 1.my use of "her" and "him" interchangeably was to make you understand or make the point that God is not a HE as most religious scripts depicts. he is a Goddess and she is a God. i could have esaily used a IT to depict her.

2.if the child situation or the famine was not man made then what is. are you saying it is God's fault? or you going to shift the blame again and this time put it on "satan"?... And yes humans can end all natural disasters if they choose to but we will get to that later

1. Regardless if God is a He or a She or an It, you have still personified God once you have describes He/She/It as something; I understood what you were trying to do with the Him/She but once you say God is this or that, you have personified God

2. No, insurance terms define some things which cannot be insured against as acts of God. Looking at it from a religious point of view, it is God that causes famine. Even when Satan as described in religion wants to act, He/She/It still takes permission from God.
3. Please explain how we could choose to end natural disasters

wiegraf: Is god omnipotent?
If so define, is it subject to logic for instance?

Religion holds it that God is Omnipotent [All powerful] and that Omnipotence isn't subject to anything but God itself

davkin: Is it ? There is something in this pixs ur not seeing buh God can,tommorrow, God knew the future of the child would be of no good so e called the child back to safety ,i believe d bedrock of ur argument goes back to d phenominal EVIL

1. Does that child believe in God?
2. Does everybody that die get called back to safety when most religions have told us that God has prepared the most evil and cruel punishment for majority of humans that our already desperately evil minds cannot even imagine.
3. Even if what you said is correct, and God would rather allow Him die than intervene in His situation like we are led to believe from religious leaders that God can, that means his life wasn't that important to God anyway.

greatgenius: 1. to personify God means you have limited to no understanding of who God really is. you limit God or restrict her when you put him in a box or category. God is all and everything.

2.God usually has no say in how humanity run their life. in other words you are the creator of your own reality. your will is God will. there are hunger, hatred, natural disasters etc in the world because humnans chooses it to be so. we can end world hunger, natural disasters, hatred, poverty this very instant if we choose to.

there are NO accidents in the universe. everything is a choice.

1. I didn't personify God. I think I made it clear when I said most religions personify God. And when you say I limit God or restrict "HER" when I put "HIM" in a box, isn't that personifying God? I agree with the fact that what I'll call God is all and everything including my laptop, myself, you e.t.c
2. That child's situation wasn't man made. It was as a result of a famine in Sudan although I don't see how Humans can end natural disaster if they choose to or how Humans are choosing natural disasters

cogitoErgo: Holy Shi.t! is that pic from Biafra?

No, it's from Sudan, Biafra also had their terrible moments too though

Most religions are founded on the ideas that
1. God is a personality
2. Life is very important and sacred to God
3. Some of God's attributes are all knowing, all powerful and all loving
I know this is easy to believe if we have some level of comfort but let's look at it from the point of view of the kid in the picture who later died of hunger by the way
According to the claims of religion 1. his life was important to God 2. God loves him immensely 3. God knew about his situation 4. God could do something about it.
Seeing how he died from hunger, I think at least one of the above statements about the personality that is described as God as it relates to that child [Humans] is definitely wrong. Opinions?

eldoradoxx: "Covenant university was built within 7 months without any collection of any one naira tithes and offerings or donation of any kind from anywhere"

I know for a fact that donation envelopes were passed out along with tithes and offering during the covenant university building periods. These envelopes were titled CUP [Covenant University Project] and were for donations towards building the University. Lie much MOG?

I doubt that story is true for many reasons like how could he be laying in His pool of blood for four days and His wife who is in the same compound never entered the house in that 4 day period? was she sleeping with neighbors without raising any alarm or being worried? Publicity stunts

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