₦airaland Forum

Leyqute:
He never ceases to amaze. That’s why he’s dribbled himself into a cul-de-sac.

The “right mix” of physical and technical players we’ve bought in the last decade, coupled with the good coaches we’ve hired have never been anywhere close to winning the EPL or UCL.

E no shock you?

According to him. The coaches are good, the players are great, and the players are the right mix. Yet, the football is perpetually crap.

No be juju be that?

The guy dribbled himself into one corner. Hehehe.

nitrogen:
Loool. Issokay. Not like these managers are bad. They just did not make things work at UTD. Btw, you conveniently excluded Van Gaal and Mou. We go dey alright.

I listed the last 3 coaches. You can add Van Gaal, Mou, and Moyes if you wish.

Dan Gore trained with the first team today. Hopefully his injury woes are over. Might be another player to feature over the next few EPL games.

Leyqute:
Why are you stressing yourself?

When i read that part i just looked at the screen modafukaly.

nitrobobo will say ANYTHING to defend those people. ANYTHING. Imagine now calling Ole, ETH, and Amorim good coaches. Just so it won't be said that the board has been appointing frauds.

raumdeuter:
And who are the Northern leaders in Obi corner that will push his candidacy to the Northerner?

Tinubu and APC have sitting governors. Atiku and PDP have sitting governors plus he is the son of the soil

The only way to unseat Tinubu is the alliance of Atiku and Obi forces. Any other thing we are just wasting time

You don't unseat a sitting govt by fragmenting your votes, you only remove a sitting govt through alliance

This is the point where it is only decent and brotherly to remind people to buy maps and calculators.

Wishful thinking does not win elections o.

CapitalCee:
The stupidity in the Idea of ignoring a world class striker like Osihmen and buy this Delap is an insult to the club. If we are going to buy Cunha, we must add Osihmen and another quality midfielder. This INEOS guy knew he has not money to run a club like Man United yet he went ahead to acquire a stake. This club is finished

You just dey clock am?

CapitalCee:
The club is now looking to buy Delap, a bang average English 22 year old striker who scored 12 goals for Bottom side Ipswich. When Osihmen is available.

From what i heard the club can't afford to buy both Osimhen and Cunha and it seems they have prioritized Cunha, hence the need to get a cheaper alternative in Delap.

The dividends of wasting 200m pounds on Mount, Hojlund, Antony have started to pay off.

In the desperation to defend the board nitrogen actually stated that the club has been appointing good coaches, but things just did not work out.

The same coaches he comes here to call frauds every Eke market day.

nitrogen:
It’s insane. Ugarte is a destroyer. We know he is not too technical but we wanted a DM that is quite physical while the CMs and AMs do their technical stuff. Now our fans are beginning to question his acquisition. We want the full package. How many ‘full package’ DMs exist then and today?

I am not beginning to question anything. I questioned it from the start.

No top club has a starting CDM so inept on the ball.

We are not asking for aliens as you called them. We are just asking for players that are fairly balanced in a way that they are not complete liabilities in a particular facet of the game. Even if they are just above average in their weak area and superb elsewhere it is okay. Not the one where a player is a total liability in speed and another is a total weakling in duels.

Look at Newcastle's midfield. No slow poison like Casemiro there. No weakling like Eriksen there. No grenade controller like Ugarte there.
Aston Villa has similar players. Liverpool has similar placers. Arsenal, for the most part, has similar players. That is the profile we should be going for. Decent speed, technique, strength in one player. Those clubs did not buy aliens; in case you were wondering.

nitrogen:
Wow, so Matic was not one of the leading midfielders at some point in the EPL? Herrera was a very good player as well. I don’t know what your definition of great and good is. I am not saying the best or greatest o. Just go and meet Elon to take you to Mars so you can sign Aliens for Man Utd.

Whatever they did before coming here does not matter. Why not go and sign Alan Shearer because he was once great.
Casemiro is one of the greatest CDMs of the modern era. Would you say he has been a great player for us?

Hehehe. Goal post has started to shift. Herrera is now very good. Not great.

You say the coaches were good and the players were great BUT the team keeps on churning out average to poor performances. Year after year. For a decade.

How now?

Matic and Herrera were great players?

nitrogen:
Oh my! I mentioned Yamal out of the blues given he is arguably the best young player today. Now I know what’s going on.

Regarding the players bought over the years, I believe it has been the right mix of technicality and physicality. You can’t have the best of both worlds. We’ve had a good mix of technical and physical attackers, midfielders and defenders over the last 10 years, no?

If we had not spent the huge funds for player acquisitions, fans would still have complained that we did not spend like Chelsea and City who were our competition. Where do you want to see top or even average player to buy for 10-30m? Including 10 years ago. Also, the funds would have gone to other things.

I made ref to managers because you said the excuse that these players were doing well previously also applies to manager signings. Yes it is true, and I am telling you that they got good managers (same way they got good players), it just did not work in some instances and the reasonable thing that should and would always happen is to sack the manager vs a group of relatively new players given the economic and financial consequences.

1) I mentioned Yamal and then a few minutes you mentioned Yamal out of the blues. Hehehe. Ok o.

2) We have not bought the right mix of technical and physical players. What clubs are doing now is that they are buying players who individually have good levels of physicality and technicality (in one person). Players like Tonali, Rice, Rodri, Isak etc. Players that individually tick the box in terms of both physical and technical aspects of the game. Every player is able to cope for himself, and no player is profoundly found wanting in a particular aspect.

What we are doing , on the other hand, is we buy one player with high technicality and close to zero physicality (Eriksen), buy another player with high physicality and close to zero technicality (AWB), another player with technicality and but short and slow (Martinez), buy another player with physicality and low technicality (Ugarte), buy another player with positioning and strength but no speed (Casemiro), buy another player with height and strength but no speed (Maguire), and so on and so forth. That is we are always looking for one player to come to unlock another player. Pogba is lazy so he needs a hard worker beside him. Casemiro can't run so he needs a mobile runner beside him. Ugarte can't pass so he needs someone who can pass beside him.

You look at this motley mob of misfits and you think we have the right mix?

3) I did not say we should spend the funds but that we should do it on the right quality players. Or what is so difficult to understand about this. Or do you because you have 4 billion naira just go and spend on a 3-bedroom bungalow so that people won't say you didn't spend money?

50m on AWB that no other club was going to do. 80m on Maguire. 80m on freedom fighter, 80m on Antony, 70m on Hojlund. How can you with a clear conscience defend this level of transfer mishits back-to-back-to-back.
If we keep overpaying for players that are not even good enough in the first place, a time will come that either FFP or profit and loss will catch up to us and we will not even be able to improve the squad properly even with the right scouts in place.

Wait o. Are you arguing that there is no consequence to overpaying for mediocre players or what? Even there is consequence and negative to overpaying for great players not to talk of the likes of AWB and Antony.

In what world was AWB a 50m pound player? In what world is Antony an 80m pound player? Money is being steadily wasted thereby handicapping us in future windows and you are saying it does not matter.

nitrogen:
Question is did they on average buy good/better players over the years or not? Whether the prices make sense or not would depend on perspectives, not forgetting the level of desperation from top to bottom to return to glory days. We can argue price vs valuation from today till tomorrow, but the main point is at the time of purchasing the players irrespective of prices, they bought good players.

I agree that the excuse can be made for managers signed. Yes, they made some mistakes, but they also went for better to the best managers available. It just did not work in some instances and firing underperforming managers (which by the way does not mean they are bad managers, it just did not work) is normal as it’s easier to do than to fire majority of new players. Other clubs do it, so why should we be sticking with underperforming managers for more than 1-3 years (depending on the circumstances)? With salaries and termination costs, each manager barely scratch 50m. While buying one player could cost us close to that on average.

My post about Yamal that you referred to was not in any way asking them to keep a manager for 1-3 years. I was only saying i will not be impressed by any footballer coming into this club again based on what the player has done elsewhere, because we have seen many people come here and fail.

The same applies to managers too. And directors etc. All that hype new players, manager, owners get here should stop. Until we see what they can do FOR THE CLUB and IN THE CLUB, i am not moved.

But in your desperation and rush to act contrarian and run everything as agenda, you will add the debate of 10 years ago and that of 10 minutes ago together and confuse yourself.

And to your question about whether they bought good or better players. The answer is no. They did not. When the whole league was moving towards players that combined high level physicality and high-level technicality we kept on buying players that were too weak or too slow or struggled to control the ball. Just look at the way the Newcastle that physically bullied us a few days ago was physically bullied by Aton Villa.

And you should not look at things in isolation. By wasting huge money on useless or inadequate players it has now tied our hands in the transfer market as we can't spend as much as we would like to. A 20million player might be a good player but if you buy him for 80m you are failing at your duty. If you repeat it from 4-5 players, you are putting your club's future at risk.

It is crucial that we not only buy good players but at a good price, so that if they fail, they do not handicap the club's future.

Stop combining arguments of 10 years together like someone cooking edikaikong. I was talking about us not hyping people before they come into the club. I don't know where you and your coven turned it into not sacking underperforming manager. I have no affiliation to Amorin. Even when we signed him i was asking people here to tell us more about his style before i now went to watch videos on him.

Please don't tell me Shannon Sharpe is about to drop the ball.

P.S It seems like the ball been dropped already. Oh well......

nitrogen:
Naso now. After buying, they will start saying our scouts and board don’t buy well. We should have gone for a player like Yamal.

Do our scouts and board buy well?

Let's leave the confusion in your mind when the same board that according to you keeps hiring the wrong coaches is somehow managing to buy the right players.

We said no to Toni Kroos when Moyes wanted him and got Fellaini instead.

When Gabriel Barbosa and Gabriel Jesus were available, we tried to get Barbosa while Jesus went to City. Barbosa finally came to Europe and failed quickly before heading back to Brazil.

When Antony and Raphinha were available we paid 82m for Antony while Raphinha went to Barca for 50m.

We bought AWB (a RIGHTBACK o) who was obviously never going to be a top-level footballer for 50m. We bought Maguire a molue-slow CB from a lower level EPL team for 80m. This was YEARS ago, and even now top-level strikers are still going for 60-70m. But we bought 2 mediocre defenders for 130m.

If we have been appointing the wrong coaches for years, then we have also been buying the wrong players for years. People here keep talking about how the players can't be bad since they were doing well at their previous clubs before coming here. Well, that excuse can also be made for the managers. They also were doing well in their previous clubs before coming here.

My point was that fans should not get too giddy over any new signing based off reputation until they show us their quality in our club, but you and your coven of contrarian spirits must always find something to complain about.

iamharkinwaley:
Help me understand sir, are you saying you’re not please if we eventually sign him.

I am no longer impressed by name or reputation until they start performing for us.

BlueRayDick:
You remember that Young female doctor who died in the elevator at Lagos Island General hospital? As at the last time I checked , the elevator is yet to be fixed.

Poju no gree talk about that o. At least that was a lady that refused to Japa and doing exactly what Poju expects her to do.(Working in an unconducive work environment)

For months after the accident at least they did not fix the elevator.

The temerity of a pastorpreneur who belongs to the group which after the Nigerian government impoverishes Nigerians the most, to be trying to guilt people into remaining at subsistence level.

sleekdot:
He knows the doctors he met, he spoke to them and probably knows their views about Nigeria which they probably shared with him, Probably heard about consistent negativity about the country that gave them the biggest head start in life.

He has not told anyone to japada. He doesn't even have the power to do that, Some people decided to japada like the doctor at John Hopkins and some decided to embrace their new country

He should keep quiet and keep winning souls for Christ and collecting offering and tithe into his own pocket.

Leyqute:
The Cunha rumors are getting louder. Am I the only one not going gaga over this possibility?

Apart from maybe Yamal i do not think there is any transfer that can make me go gaga, and even that one is not sure.

Siddon look mode activated. Let the people whose job it is to wake up and go to work from 9 to 5 scouting and assessing players for the club, let those ones do their job. Me sef get my own job to do.

sleekdot:
As a start by not tearing down everything about Nigeria. You can be critical while still acknowledge some good things that you got from the broken country

Some people all they see about Nigeria is negativity, even in America some people who were born in America and lived all their lives in America yet all they see is negativity. For example I see some positives about growing up in Nigeria while acknowledging the negatives

Others if you dare say anything positive about Nigeria they will tear your shirt check on this thread for example

And he was able to research into those doctors' lives just by meeting them briefly on his visit and find out that they never said anything good about Nigeria. He is a joker. And if it is actually that he wants them to japada (and you are just turning amala on his behalf) he is a bigger joker.

Na the emotional blackmail wey dem like to play be that. Highly selective and radioactive thunder will fire anybody who intends to gaslight Nigerian doctors to continue working in an unsafe, unhealthy, and highly injurious environment while the leaders at the top siphon the funds meant to establish a better healthcare system.

sleekdot:
You show you are grateful by appreciating the Nigerian govt for giving you and I a headstart in life. If at 16yrs they have asked me to pay $20k per session to become an Engineer, How would I or my parents afford it? My total family networth was not close to $20K

No one is blaming anyone for taking the opportunity at least he is saying be grateful to those who provided the opportunity

That is one of the good things Nigeria afforded us. You and I

And the doctors he met abroad did not appreciate the government?

He called them ungrateful. In what way were they ungrateful?

Can you tell us in what way he wanted them to appreciate the Nigerian government?

sleekdot:
Every graduate got subsidized education, Doctors was just an example of highly paid profession whose training gulps a lot of money

I don't think Poju is saying anyone should not japa. Anyone that japa and uses his Naija certificate to get a high paying job should be grateful for getting a subsidized education his peers abroad are not getting

My colleagues abroad are still paying student loans and I am grateful that Naija govt provided it to me for cheap

He said the ones in the US were ungrateful because they had subsidized education in Nigeria. In what way did he want them to show that they were grateful? What did he mean when he said they were ungrateful?

P.S We have seen it several times where they almost always use doctors. No be today. Na gaslight. I didn't come to Lagos to count bridge sir.

BlueRayDick:


Dem dey always pick on Doctors as if even person wey get B.Sc Social Work wey japa go dey do Care Job abroad no benefit from Subsidized education. They always make it seem like it is only doctors and nurses that must pay the ultimate price being the sole beneficiary of subsidized education.

It is a phucking disgrace.

I keep hearing this nonsensical stuff as if other courses were paying millions or billions of naira while only medical students' education was subsidized.

sleekdot:
I was in America and I sat down with some Nigerians and they started. I told them that in Nigeria, a person will graduate as a medical doctor and spend N500, 000 throughout to become a doctor and they are working. You will graduate from John Hopkins as a doctor and you spend $2000, are you okay? Do you know how much money you will spend?

That was Pojus tatement regarding the medical education in Nigeria vs the US. What is wrong with that statement

Fact is if we are to go the full way without subsidized education by the Nigerian govt, Many of us wont be able to afford it

Full gaslight.

He should face his pastoral job and win souls. If he is allergic to minding his business he can start alphabetically from Accounting, Actuarial Sciences, Engineering, Law etc before coming to try to gaslight Medicine. When those ones too have gone to Aso Rock to prostrate and the ones abroad have come back, we will consider it.

Any doctor who allows himself to be gaslit not to japa should return his brain to his creator.

Everybody who schooled in a public university in Nigeria benefitted from subsidized education. It is not only doctors. Engineers, Lawyers, Accountants, Architects, Computer Scientists too should not japa and they can start the prostration.

BlueRayDick:
Afrodoc this is Ur constituency.

Poju Oyemade say wan dey cap, Association of Resident doctors quickly carry peer review journal to take counter am

Una Doctors sef Sabi hang ball o

Was this a real response?

What was Poju Oyemade's initial statement.

CapitalCee:
Are you sure nitrogen agrees, or he is lining up another manager to take over in the summer

I was talking about IF Amorim is here next season he won't get all of next season to prove himself.

Consider this scenario. What if we don't win Europa League and we keep losing and sliding down the league table this season, with no improvement in either result or quality of play.

If we lose league games and win the Europa League, there might be a defense for keeping him on. If we lose Europa but our league form and results improve there is another defense. If neither happens then serious discussions would have to be held at the end of this season.

In the words of Kenny Rogers, you have to know when to hold and know when to fold.

CapitalCee:
I was collaborating your point.

Oh ok.

At this point I believe everybody on this forum agrees on that.

No more blind faith in the face of contrary evidence.