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odizeey:
Now I'm not advocating for always using young players.

But when the case arises, you make do with what you have, in our own case, Obi is need. Did you see the graph I uploaded?

I side with you regarding Obi.

What I disagree with is the blanket statement that we don’t give youths a chance or don’t give academy players a chance.

This club historically and in recent times has always given its academy and other young players opportunities.


Specifically with Amorim he went really far with giving academy players opportunities in Sporting Lisbon so I will give him the benefit of the doubt and give some more time on this issue.

If he has not been sacked next season and academy players are still not getting good minutes, then I will blame him.

odizeey:
Baba dey muzz me.

Someone that was a regular first team starter in his former team

Which Chelsea academy did Marc Guiu attend?

delkuf:
you are putting yoro into the equation of academy player. Why do man u buy him with such amount

Like Yoro like Guiu.

Januzaj story dey so painful. If 18yr old 2013-2014 Januzaj came back today, he would be our best attacking player apart from maybe Amad.

Ok now that we have established that we were talking about teenage players and not just academy players, and now that Chelsea's teenage players have fallen short....................which club is next to be brought forward as evidence.

odizeey:
baba dey compare person wey them use 58 million to person wey them use 6 million buy. 🤣
Person wey Madrid dey drag

Which Chelsea academy did Marc Guiu attend?

WHICH CHELSEA ACADEMY DID MARC GUIU ATTEND?

WHICH CHELSEA ACADEMY DID MARC GUIU ATTEND?

odizeey:
Baba this your cap no go pass. Because what people were saying is Amorim not using boys from the academy.
Yoro and Mainoo come from academy this season?

Abeg abeg

We have been talking about and mentioning young and in particular teenage players in the club.

Marc Guiu that you listed come from Chelsea academy ?

abeg! Abeg!! ABEG!!!

I said go back and strategise.

Next question.

You want to prove a club is giving teenagers a chance and you went to bring a club giving its teenagers 100-200 minutes in Carabao Cup and Conference League when our own teenagers are clocking 1500-2000 mins in Premier League, Europa League.

Go back and strategise.

odizeey:
First, don't limit it to league games. If these boys played carabao and uel games, no one would complain.

Second, don't add Mainoo. Mainoo is not a teenager please.

Firstly, Mainoo played 7 months of this season as a teenager or how old was he from August to March?

Secondly, how many Carabao Cup games did we play under Amorim?

Thirdly, all games count but top level games like Champions League, Premier League, Europa League games count more than Carabao Cup and Conference League qualifiers.

nihilistjnr:
Na Cage fight go make me favour the Gorilla even more, because in an open space the Gorilla wants to run away.

Even a rat will turn and fight to the death when cornered, not to speak of a freak of nature like that. There's a reason they call the unscratchable unbreakable glass on phones Gorrilla Glass and not 100 men glass

I think we both appreciate the inordinate strength of the gorilla. Most people don’t know that a gorilla can break their spine or crush their skulls with one swipe. It can yank off the arm of a man with one pull.

Where we defer is the behavior and response. It is often more difficult to fight a cornered animal of inferior strength. That is why the Mongols preferred not to fully encircle an army but leave a small gap for the enemy to flee through.

Putting the 100 men in a cage they can’t escape from will make them fight to the end. That gorilla will get tired before it goes through 100 men.

nihilistjnr:
Na Cage fight go make me favour the Gorilla even more, because in an open space the Gorilla wants to run away.

Even a rat will turn and fight to the death when cornered, not to speak of a freak of nature like that. There's a reason they call the unscratchable unbreakable glass on phones Gorrilla Glass and not 100 men glass

Open space the men will run away like most men do when the battle is too hot.
After the first few limbs and ripped off heads start landing most of the men will take off.

In a cage where they can’t run away they will have to keep coming in waves, and keep getting killed until fatigue sets in for the gorilla.

P.S We are talking the prime of the human race here. Not desk workers like me or you.
Mike Tyson, Larry Allen, Mark Henry types will be the ones to face a silverback.

It is the fatigue that will finish the gorilla such a cage fight more than anything else. In the open field the men will make for the hills quick.

nihilistjnr:
My big bro, that's not happening.

The only saving grace that the 10 boys will have is that Gorillas are not thaaat aggressive, and might be happy to retreat into a corner as long as the other guys sit in theirs.

Monkeys and Apes are extremely vicious fighters.
Firstly not only they are insanely strong, stronger than humans by several several magnitude, these animals fight extremely dirty.
They're deliberately going to target your balls to rip out and chew. They will target your face to bite. An adult Gorilla is about 250kg and 5'11 of dense muscle, can lift about 800kg and has double the bite force of a lion... With actual knives for teeth

The fight would be over extremely quickly, because everybody he touches will be incapacitated immediately with life-threatening if not life ending injuries. Even if he lays hands and teeth on just 2 or 3, witnessing the extent of the injuries is destroying morale of the other guys immediately.

Those 10 guys only have a chance with tool use. Bare hand-to-hand combat? Looooooool

Your points are valid. If it was 10 men I would agree but the scenario was taking about 100 men.

100 men with room to escape I would probably still favour the gorilla. 100 men with no room to escape and forced to fight to the death I would favour the 100 men ( at least the ones that will survive the carnage).

larride:
Abi Egbon Roland want Giannis for Boston, he come shenk them.

Nah. There is a woman involved. There is always a woman involved.

odizeey:
I get. But if we want to protect them then let's do it with our full chest. Let them play only academy matches.

You protect them by playing them when they are ready and introducing them slowly into the senior team. That is the way.
Don't mention.

odizeey:
Why will they be thrown into battle when the need is not there?

We loaned out players plus hit with injuries. Is Liverpool facing same?

Amass has played 3 of our past 4 games.

Can you list the clubs that are using more teenagers or giving them more minutes than us?

We loaned out great senior players who were not playing great football. It comes down to the same thing. Our useless senior players are placing undue pressure that other youth players are not facing on our own youth players. They will play when they are assessed to be ready to play.

I will never forget how when Januzaj made the team senior pros were passing the ball to him every minute of the match like they were not paid to play football as well.

odizeey:
Give Amass, Obi and Collyer consistent minutes.

If you want to protect them from the useless players, don't bring them in at all.

Even Collyer that has been injured for some time now should get minutes?

Obi turned 17 during this season. How many strikers of his age are getting consistent minutes in a top league in Europe. Even then i am with you that Obi should get more minutes.

Amass has played in 3 of our last 4 games.

odizeey:
The club has a history using young players and they are trying to boost that record, that's why you see academy players coming in at useless times.

You expect to see them next game to build the momentum, and boom, you won't see them anymore till God knows when.

Football is evolving. At 17 up, you should be ready to be thrown into battle.

Very well said.

So let us start from Liverpool and go down the league table one by one. Let us see how many 17yr olds were thrown into battle and how many minutes they played?

raumdeuter:
Does Carling cup appearances count? like for Jacob Wright, Kaden Braithwaite and Jahmal Simpson Pusey

Yes.

Let us add all the minutes. As long it was in the period since Amorim got here.

After we finish with Man City we can move to Liverpool. Let us see how they are not protecting their teenagers. We will go through the league today.

We gonna learn something today.

delkuf:
James mactee. Lewis and O'Reilly. And he used some fringe players in fa cup matches

Hehehehe. You don't know what you are saying. James McAtee is going to turn 23 this year.

McAtee was dominating the Under-18 premier league BEFORE we even got Garnacho from Spain. Imagine calling McAtee a teenager. LMAO.

McAtee a player 2 sets ahead of Garnacho is still slowly getting introduced into the Man City senior team while Man Utd fans have already begged for Garnacho to be introduced by fire, fallen in love with him, fallen out of love, and now cursing him on a daily basis.

Rico Lewis turned 20 within 3 months into the season. I wonder how many minutes he played as a teenager. Rico Lewis is 3 sets older than Amass and very highly rated and is still being introduced into the senior team but if Amass does not play every match for us we are protecting him.

I will give you Nico O'Reilly (even though he has turned 20 already).

So apart from the 22yr old teenager and the two 20 yr old teenagers, who are the other teenagers that Pep has used this season.

superfelix:
Pep has used just two and they're currently even 20yrs old. Lewis and O'Reilly (just 7 apps in the league). Man Utd on the other hand have used Heaven, Amass, Mainoo (turned 20 few days ago), Yoro (although not from the academy) and Obi

Haba. I wanted him to answer first now. I don't like people like you that give expo in exams just because you sabi book. I want him to list the numerous teenagers Pep has used this season and compare the number to ours, and their minutes played to ours.

odizeey:
Chido not being ready, my question is to the person who says he's not ready.

We are in a state where we need these academy players to play more. Our first team players are either useless or injured.

You'll introduce an academy player and he turns up but in the next game you won't play him to build up.

See how arsenal are using MLS and Nwaneri?

This is the crux of the matter. You want us to use these academy players not because they are ready or not but because the senior players are useless.

It is better for you guys to go and beg the great senior players to start playing great football, instead of trying to wreck the future of innocent children.

We play more teenagers and give them more minutes than most other clubs and you are claiming we over protect them. LOL.

delkuf:
do you know how teenager pep have use this season.

If someone like yamal is at man u, his career would be in jeopardy by now. Amorim will not even send him

List the teenagers Pep has used this season and how many minutes they have played individually and collectively.

odizeey:
Sincerely.

The guy tries. You can see he plays well. I'm not sure he's played a full match.

I don't know the not ready they are talking about.

Na only our academy players no dey ever ready.

Protect them. Protect them. All the ones they protected, where them dey?🤣

Name 3 clubs that have given more minutes to teenagers than us this season.

After that name 3 clubs that gave more minutes to teenagers last season.

diggz:
You too much Semid! I go ask my Oga at the top Raumdeuter to do giveaway with one Luxury car worth N15milla.

You are incorrigible.

This guy no use Amass sha. FPL points lazzident.

Bring Amass and Obi on.

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Maguire.
SMH X 3.

CapitalCee:
We need to improve on Onana, any well deserved taken shot on target is a goal.

Apart from the shot itself, he was the one who put us under pressure from our own free kick by holding on to the ball and then passing it to a defender under pressure.

maik99:
Don't these players train? Apart from being dominated physically almost always, their passes are always to the wrong foot, cant dribble past opponents. Little technical details that add up and make the difference

Is it possible that pro players are this bad

Not just pro players. Great pro players.

patrickmuf:
Exactly...He should be quick with the substitution come the second half of proceedings.

100%.