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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:05pm On Dec 14, 2014
FighterPilot:
Yes, you have a BB but your ordnance of your artillery guns have a 39L barrel. You still need to upgrade it to 52L to achieve a better range of 39-42km.
Oh so now you confess Nigeria has Base Bleed? You denied it over 20 times here few months ago, I trapped you @Patches grin grin

Indian army video showed Bofors with NO 52 cal, it is standard barrel.

Anyway NA, NN, NAF also have AHEAD ammo Chinese/Russian equivalent. Good to go to war against every SANDF missiles now !
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:03pm On Dec 14, 2014
FighterPilot:
Chief, I know and that was only to show you that umkhonto missiles of better range are also still on the way. However, F7 would still not be able to beat that 15 km range. You simply took incidences that happened during the folklands war and completely forgotten that the air defence system of warships has since advanced. in 1982 the only better system that was better was sea wolf with a range of 3kms and still British warships managed to shoot down four of Argentinian fighter jets.

Today, the system has since developed by lessons learnt from that war. Warships are more dangerous than ever against any plans or jet that flies above its roof.
F-7NI jet is a year 2010 3.5 generation jet and is more advanced than the Argentinian Skyhawk jets that have NO radar at all, and NO flares-chaff self defences, yet those old Skyhawks sank British warships that had anti-aircraft missiles by using dumb unguided bombs.

Your Umkhonto missile max range 15km has been rendered useless by F-7 jets attacking from above which is the weak point of Umkhonto, it has maximum ceiling/altitude/climb height of ONLY 8km grin grin

NAF is attacking you from 9km safe from ALL your missiles, carpet bombing you with incendiary, fragmentation, and high explosive bombs untill your Valour frigate is either roasted from above or your Navy surrenders and we take your ships into Lagos Naval base for display to BBC and CNN grin grin

Your Soweto military academy did not teach you that a warship with no aircraft carrier escort is a sitting duck on water for enemy air forces to play with like a toy grin grin

Ya gonna get sunk like a paper boat, ya Valour frigates gonna get sunk by NAF
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:18pm On Dec 14, 2014
FighterPilot:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_(missile)



Operational range 12 km (7.5 mi )(Umkhonto-IR Bl
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15 km (9.3 mi) (Umkhonto-IR Bl

20 km (12 mi)(Umkhonto-IR Bl
30 km (19 mi ) (Umkhonto-E
60 km (37 mi)(Umkhonto-R)

You are lunatic by quoting incidences out of context without having full details of what went wrong. Modern warships are well equipped against aerial attacks.



Umkhonto will crash F7 beyond recognition.
Nope dude, the ONLY VERSION of Umkhonto missile in SAN service today is the 15km maximum range and 8km maximum ceiling version, the rest you do NOT have !

F-7 jet flying at 9km ceiling CANNOT be touched by any weapon existing in the whole of South Africa.....F-7 rocket pods have range 6km

Your navy warships can also be carpet bombed with timed fused bombs to explode at close range below quarter km above your ship spreading and splashing 3 types of munistions, fragmentation bombs, incendiary fire bombs, and high expolsive bombs to shower bath your Valour frigatse in flames and explosives, while the F-7 flies at very low speed at 9km ceiling out of range/ceiling of your Umkhonto missile.

It hurts you Southies how a $15 milliom NAF F-7 jet can easily sink a $300 million over-priced and poorly defended SAN Valour frigate.

There are 3 different ways to easily sink your wishy washy Soweto navy !
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:08pm On Dec 14, 2014
patches689:
First, ammunition transfers are not listed by SIPRI

Second, who makes AHEAD, and who has a factory in South Africa?
SIPRI does not record ammo, so Nigerian Bofors artillery has 42km range Base Bleed shells because SIPRI does not record shells, Nigerian air force also has Belouga cluster bombs because SIPRI does not record unguided bombs, Nigerian army Type 90 AAA also has Chinese version of tungsten ammo used for their own CIWS and Type 90 AAA in anti-missile mode, and Nigerian navy RWS gun has Chinese tungsten ammo for CIWS too in anti-missile role......Now let the party begin....@Patches has walked into a well set trap !


Let the battlefield change from now, WE ALL have AHEAD ammo or it's Asian equivalent ! Thanks bro !

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:02pm On Dec 14, 2014
KLEINBASS:
read the real story b4 u post rubish they will always be peace between blacks an white. It looks like nigerians are realy bothered by the peace between blacks an white in south africa. Dnt worry 1 days they will also be peace in nigeria..south africa belongs to all black an whites an it realy bothers me to see this south africans entertaining the comparism between naija an zuid-afrika because is realy an insult comparing zuid-afrika an any west africa nation..south africa is a rainbow nation developed by both blacks ,indians and whites who live in it. Deal with the fact or go back to africa an leav us in peace with our crime.afrikaner is n african man not a european
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Mandela and Buthelezi Supporters killed themselves black on black mass murder.

The whole world knows Southie blood soaked history shocked shocked shocked


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNqHAPVftkA
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:55pm On Dec 14, 2014
FighterPilot:
I do not see any importance of an Ahead ammo on the CIWS. An ordinary R4 round will penetrate F7 fighter.


Meanwhile, The denel™ CIWS system uses AHEAD ammo particularly to fire at missiles.



http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denel_35mm_Dual_Purpose_Gun
Show me where SANDF imported AHEAD ammo from Germany. Gripen jet uses anti-ship missile, yet do you have it? NO !

Your DENEL gun fires locally made ordinary ammo. FACT !
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
MduZA:
most of you Nigerians claim to know everything about SA ....Whatever happened during the apartheid regime is history,we reconciled,for your information ..the very national party which introduced apartheid has been swallowed by the ANC,members of the national party are now advocating ANC policies...black and white south Africans working together for the betterment of their country....if is for you 100 % black nation,keep on bombing each other..thereis god o
You want me to post photo of how your Soweto rats Inkatha/Buthelezi and Mandela/ANC mass killed and mass murdered one another like chicken after the white man handed over power to you? Buthelezi dia ris God o ! You blacks messed up South Africa and the whites are running away to Europe, America, Australia

You live in a glass house don't throw stones.

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:11pm On Dec 13, 2014
jln115:
Yes, i understand your pain, a Black man murdered a friend of mines father, but i dont all of a sudden have a grudge against all black people. He didnt murder a person because his black, he murdered because his godforsaken!
I live where blacks get killed by whites just because they are blacks.

Not all whites are racist, I have a very nice and fatherly white boss, he built my career and made me what I am today.

Just different strokes for different folks. White cops are the worst offenders.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:09pm On Dec 13, 2014
ActivateKruger:
Is that what happens to you when we say SANDF

Don't be shy Aguby, show us the radar onboard your ancient air force F-7.
I am not a push button recycling machine to repead sources 20 times for 20 different South Africans on demand, it does not add any dollar to my pocket, it's just a waste of time. Rather, I will watch TV.

I have said it 3 times today, if you are in for a honest debate, Google Nigerian alr force wikipedia, aircraft inventory. Hey, seems you are not worth replying the way I see it, I get pissed of by open dishonesty and deliberate insincerity.

Enjoy your trolling troll ! You are NOT worth my time...
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:04pm On Dec 13, 2014
MduZA:
good night...dont forget to switch off your generator
15 million out of 50 million South Africans have ZERO access to electricity and TOO POOR to buy generator grin grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:03pm On Dec 13, 2014
GreenandGold:
Agububu, I haven't forgotten about your post, I have waited for months

Google me facts to counter my facts and paste links.... if not, I will haunt you with this list till the end of 2014.
Keep waiting till you grow grey hairs. I have over 6,500 posts on this thread, go find answers there. I am not a recycling machine.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
FighterPilot:
Eish!!! indeed you are very stupidd. That was in the olden days. So what do you think modern frigates carry SAM for? Is it for fun or decoration? Even if your F7 could fire PGMs, it wouldn't have been able to destroy valour class. Free fall bombs needs you to fly very low and is exposing pilots to danger from RPGs, missiles and air defence guns. Your F7 will not even dare to come any close to the valour class, because Umkhonto will crash F7 about 15 km away.
Emotions don't win you a war. It's a game of mutual death, war is kill and get killed in return.

Your navy Umkhonto SAM's weakness are it's range, ceiling, speed, and easy to counter guidance system.

SAN does NOT have a weapon we cannot defeat, we have 'liquefying' solutions to all your 'solids'

We Nigerians will continue to teach you war history from 1914 to 2014......Learn my boy !!!

Argentine air force showed the world how obsolete aircraft like Skyhawk jets and Daggers/Nesher jets including ordinary trainers like MBB-339 light jets can sink navy ships without guided missiles, old warplanes with ordinary free fall bombs and gun fire from cannon destroyed British Royal navy warships that has anti-aircraft missile defenses.

A pity Argentina has old and expired bombs that the air force pilots dropped on target but did not explode, they landed right inside the British warships !

Imagine if the Argentines had 3.5 generation or 4th generation jets with chaff-flares self defense and rocket pods with 6km range which are freely available today, Britain would have lost almost all her warships.



Naval History Homepage and Site Search


Part of the PRICE PAID (Parts 50-55)

Part 52. BRITISH SHIPS LOST & DAMAGED


Note: If the frequent unexploded bombs (1-13) had detonated on striking some of the ships listed below, the Royal Navy's additional losses might quite possibly have put the eventual success of the British Task Force in doubt.

Saturday 1st May

HMS Alacrity - slightly damaged by bomb near misses

HMS Arrow - slightly damaged by cannon fire

HMS Glamorgan - slightly damaged by bomb near misses, all off Stanley by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.

Wednesday 12th May

HMS Glasgow - moderately damaged off Stanley by unexploded bomb (1) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Bomb passed through hull but damage took some days to repair and she shortly returned to UK.

Friday 21st May

HMS Antrim - seriously damaged in Falkland Sound outside San Carlos Water by unexploded bomb (2) dropped by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. UXB removed but damage took some days to repair.

HMS Broadsword - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6.

HMS Argonaut - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by rockets and cannon fire from Aermacchi MB.339A of CANA 1 Esc, and then seriously damaged by two unexploded bombs (3/4) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Removing the UXB's and carrying out repairs took a number of days and although declared operational, she soon sailed for the UK.

HMS Brilliant - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. (Different attack from "Broadsword"wink

HMS ARDENT - badly damaged in Grantham Sound by bombs - hits, UXB's (5+) and near misses - dropped by Daggers of Grupo 6, then mortally damaged by bombs from A-4Q Skyhawks of CANA 3 Esc off North West Island. Sank the following evening.

Sunday 23rd May

HMS ANTELOPE - damaged in San Carlos Water by two unexploded bombs (6/7) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5. One of the bombs exploded that evening while being defused and she caught fire and sank next day.

Monday 24th May

RFA Sir Galahad - damaged by unexploded bomb (cool and out of action for some days,

RFA Sir Lancelot - damaged by unexploded bomb (9) and not fully operational for almost three weeks,

RFA Sir Bedivere - slightly damaged by glancing bomb, all in San Carlos Water probably by A-4C Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 4.

Tuesday 25th May

HMS Broadsword - damaged north of Pebble Island by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5 bouncing up through her stern and out again to land in the sea.

HMS COVENTRY - sunk north of Pebble Island in same attack by three bombs.

ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow.

Saturday 29th May

British Wye - hit north of South Georgia by bomb dropped by C-130 Hercules of FAA Grupo 1 which bounced into the sea without exploding

Tuesday 8th June

HMS Plymouth - damaged in Falkland Sound off San Carlos Water by four unexploded bombs (10-13) from Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.

RFA SIR GALAHAD - mortally damaged off Fitzroy by bombs from A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5 and burnt out. Later in June towed out to sea and sunk as a war grave.

RFA Sir Tristram - badly damaged off Fitzroy in same attack and abandoned, but later returned to UK and repaired.

LCU F4, HMS Fearless - sunk in Choiseul Sound by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5.




History warns you not to sail frigates into war against an air force that has jet fighters like Nigeria
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We will tactically fly out of your missile defense range and ceiling while we employ long range rockets in pod salvos from safe distance. NAF is the most experienced air to ground attacking force in Africa today 2014, even Egypt cannot match NAF in such skill and experiance

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:56pm On Dec 13, 2014
jln115:
You said and i quote " I just proved that in real war (Which South Africa has not fought since almost 70 years)"
Subject matter was air to sea warfare. Do you know the meaning of 'context' or 'subject matter' ?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:52pm On Dec 13, 2014
ActivateKruger:
Don't get excited, you didn't copy anything as China did you were just allowed to "Place your logo" there..... and you know what? those very same clones exist in other countries trading as different names.

The real copy expect is China.... below is all what South Africa can design

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:04pm On Dec 13, 2014
jln115:
Thats unfortunate ,but you have white and black racist in all countries, and its unfair to judge all white men because of a few idi0ts actions.
White cop killed our black kid and walks away free in Fergusson city....We have lived with these things for hundreds of years....never ending story.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:01pm On Dec 13, 2014
FighterPilot:
Eish!!! indeed you are very stupidd. That was in the olden days. So what do you think modern frigates carry SAM for? Is it for fun or decoration? Even if your F7 could fire PGMs, it wouldn't have been able to destroy valour class. Free fall bombs needs you to fly very low and is exposing pilots to danger from RPGs, missiles and air defence guns. Your F7 will not even dare to come any close to the valour class, because Umkhonto will crash F7 about 15 km away.
Falkland war of Exocet missiles was in the olden days?
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:59pm On Dec 13, 2014
ActivateKruger:
Not all the F-7s have the Italian radar, Nigeria's F-7 doesn't.
Oh yes it does. The truth scares you, sure you spied on that Wiki page and your heart beat froze grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:42pm On Dec 13, 2014
jln115:
Why is it always black and white with you? to be honest i think its because you have a low self-esteem and you have an inferiority complex
towards white people, but luckily here in SA we all treat each other as equal and no one feels inferior to anyone.
I live daily among white racists.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:41pm On Dec 13, 2014
jln115:
Universities are judge at the students they produce not their infrastructure fool!
Citation needed
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:40pm On Dec 13, 2014
jln115:
Oh..So the Border war isnt a real war?
You fought bush war with frigates vs jets ?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:39pm On Dec 13, 2014
jln115:
Was it a hostage situation?
Is their task limited to hostage crisis only?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:30pm On Dec 13, 2014
FighterPilot:
Tell me, how will your F7 destroy valour class if it(F7) cannot even launch a PGM?
Go two pages back, I just proved that in real war (Which South Africa has not fought since almost 70 years) Jets use ordinary bombs and cannon to sink modern warships that have anti-aircraft missiles, while the jet aircraf have no single PGM.

I thought you said your Soweto universites have upgraded your brains to top ranking and rating by some senseless rating agency ?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:24pm On Dec 13, 2014
FighterPilot:
I beg to differ, those seats are contested and not rotated. SA can contest for that top positition many a times.
Use any language, it's not a permanent seat, South Africa will end it's term and go, another country will take over your seat, you become ordinary floor member again....get it ?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:16pm On Dec 13, 2014
ActivateKruger:
We said prove to us that the Nigerian Air force has the Grifo radar on her F-7s.
I just told you, NAF Wiki page info. Are you half blind?
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:14pm On Dec 13, 2014
ActivateKruger:
Were they called to the scene? You can be a bum
Exactly my point, you don't see them when you need them.

Fire in Soweto killing all da people !
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:09pm On Dec 13, 2014
ActivateKruger:
The F-7 cannot even locate a Valour class frigate so keep dreaming Mr "ladies man, accountant, military specialist, American"
LOL....NAF F-7NI Italian Grifo 7 advanced radar has over 40km air and 20km ground detection range . It's free info on NAF Wiki page.

How do you think PAF's F-7 ground attack squadrons attack? Even old MiG-21 has radar. Olodo Domingo art thou

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:06pm On Dec 13, 2014
jln115:
SAPs Special Task Force:
100% hostage rescue success rate.
They were of no use to Lucky Dube !
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:04pm On Dec 13, 2014
ActivateKruger:
because Nigeria's graduates use magnets to conduct bio-social experiments.
The guy is right, can gay marriage produce a child born by intercourse of both couples?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:01pm On Dec 13, 2014
ActivateKruger:
- Nigeria has no missiles
- Nigeria's MiGs are fvcked that's why you bought their clones the F-7s
- Your Jaguars cannot fly that's why you use a trainer to bomb BH.
-South Africa has no missiles
-If you bring up your one or two Mirages with Israeli help, we will bring up our 20 MiG-21 with Russian help and our 18 Jaguars with Indian help
-I just showed you Nigeria always has a shocker for South Africa any time
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
MduZA:
surely this is something you don't wanna hear,as we are typing your fellow country men and women are discussing things of national interest on another thread :Nigeria is the second dangerous country to live in,go to that thread and make a valuable contribution
Oscar Pistorious told me that South Africa is the most dangerous place to live in Africa, he adviced me to always wear bullet proof vest while I shower inside my own house bathroom!
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:50pm On Dec 13, 2014
ActivateKruger:
Let's get this sorted out ;

- African Union chairperson : South African
- African Union founded : South Africa
- Pan African Parliament : South Africa

South Africa leads Africa while Nigeria is sidelined as usual
Those seats are rotated among African countries, one day Togo republic will be there in that position you boast about. Fool grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:43pm On Dec 13, 2014
MikeCZAR:
Fantasies.

Popping chaffs while you're flying towards your targets? For whom?

So you're flying towards your target, carrying bombs and rockets. Meaning your nose is facing the ship's incoming missiles, rounds and shells. How's chaff going to help?

You'll fly backward?

The CIWS is automatic and controlled by radar. AHEAD increases its efficiency that's all.
Valour frigate CIWS has no AHEAD ammo. Your freaking CIWS has only 4km max range and only one unit on board.

The bolded part is the magic, yes ! I am flying my F-7 jet backwards, surprised? A good F-7 pilot will sink a Valour frigate, NAF is master of air to surface combat in all Africa today, even Egypt CANNOT match Nigeria in air to ground combat skills and current experience
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