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jln115:
HAHAH 3rd world problems! But to be honest south africa is relatively cheap, with $5000 doller you can buy a decent car! ia mean my car didnt even cost $5000

Nigeria now produces brand new cars for $7,000 as Nissan and Peugeot rolled out from last year full scale high tech auto industry in Nigeria
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jln115:
Yes almost forgot about the paramount group, same guys who made this beast:

It has not sold one unit all these years, only one potential buyer trying to come up for the over-priced junk
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jln115:
Imagine if SA and Nigerian Governments just stoped being so stubborn,free trade between the 2 will be great our economy, i mean we both have what the other needs, for example SA has Coal,gold,Platinum Nigeria has OIL(a biggie) and what ever more you guys have what we dont.

Your ungrateful current ANC government created open rivalry and envy instead of open black brotherhood and partnership.

Mandela and Mbeki almost achieved what you said, Zuma wrecked it all
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ActivateKruger:
You don't have the capabilities offered by the SAS Drakensburg we built, it's very dated.

It's just a logistics ship, NAF Alpha jets threat drove your Drakensberg away from Ivory Coast some years ago

Cowards

jln115:
Well built ships have very long hull life

You are sailing around in old fashioned rust buckets. Admit it

jln115:
And iam guessing the Rafale and Eurofighter are also old fashioned and obsolete according to the village idi0t?

Oh ! It hurts you? Your fellow Southie mumus were claiming JF-17 is not modern because it has delta wing of MiG-21, but unfortunately JF-17 does not have delta wing, it is actually the Gripen that has delta wing....I just helped you guys to shooot yourselves in the foot
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jln115:
SAS Drakensberg is a replenishment ship it doesnt need to be stealthy and no Algeria does not have a stealthy replenishment ship, but our valours are of stealth design, know go back to your Village you tw@t!

Stealth-like, I said, don't quote me wrongly, shape is not the only way of stealth, the paint, the ECM defences, the navionics that reduce detection to protect the ship from enemy frigates.

Check out Algeria's new logistic ship ! The Drakensberg is an old ship for generations past !

jln115:
So it only has(HM sight) witch is used for targeting

JF-17 Thunder has HMD.....Proved....Please go sleep on a railway track till the train passes over you

http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Abid_Khan7/publication/230792206_JF-17_Thunder_A_Giant_Leap/links/09e41507a7836cfca5000000

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jln115:
Well built ships have very long hull life, and all the software and electronics of the Drakensberg where upgraded.
www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18321:more-work-on-sas-drakensberg&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

It has NO stealth-like design, and the radar is NOT solid state modern type, it's old. Deal with it, SAS Drakensberg is old, go see what Algeria just purchased for the same purpose, and you will angrily sink your own Drakensberg in anger !
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MikeCZAR:
Delta wing shape.

Not for JF-17....Thunder has a globally unique wing NOT Delta....it's unique. Proved...
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MikeCZAR:
Delta wing shape.

Yes, old fashioned Delta wing shape of old fashioned Gripen jets ! Proved below

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ActivateKruger:
South Africa built patrol boats for Nigeria.... we have built the SAS Drakensburg, your Andoni doesn't compare.

Not for Nigerian navy , SA built boats for a Nigerian Fishing control agency, civilian boat. Nigeria builds armoured boats for oil companies.

You did no big stuff.

Also SAS Drakensberg is an old out-dated ship
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EVarn:
i have recently thought of becoming the nigerian president.who will vote for me?.when i become president,the military would be my first and biggest priority.now who will vote for me on this thread?

@Patches will be your campaign manager

ActivateKruger:
We're building them to suit our needs... that's the SANDF way

Nigerian navy dockyard built 100% of IPV NNS ANDONI, and the second ship is almost ready, a bigger NNS ANDONI sister ship, we build to suit Nigeria's need.

I still don't see any South African made OPV existing, even if we consult an oracle, we will find nothing
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jln115:
China built your ships for you in Nigeria

Nope the Shipyard is owned by Nigeria. We got full technology transfer so we are building 70% of Africa's first stealth warship in a Nigerian owned Shipyard, Port Harcourt
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jln115:
@Patches689 and I have posted numerous sources, you just cant READ.

You just can't prove your claims

MikeCZAR:
1. When?

2. Where?

3. Name thee unitv

4. How you reached that percentage?

SADF had 4,000 men frontline. UNITA group saved you with about 80,000 men frontline.

Your ego has crashed today .

patches689:
Feel free to show us where it says Nigeria is buying the JF-17

Answer now!

Butt Hurt With Burning Envy

Now show me something like this with the name of the OPV South Africa is buying

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patches689:
New IPV's is the first stage of Project Biro

The re-furbed Warrio class only have 5 years left on their hulls and the Mine-Hunters are also nearing the end of hull life, their replacement takes priority before we aquire new capabilities

Its a clear sign that project Biro is moving ahead as planned, and with bigger orders than anticipated.

@Andrewza your navy man has been posting Project Biro here over 2 years ago, yet NO single contract, NO ship named, NO single OPV, NO single IPV.....NO money.....SANDF is broke
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patches689:
Nope, we have shown that all Olifant Mk1's use diesel not standard petrol engines.

Retaarrd!

Nope, the source did NOT say ALL olifant tanks changed engines, and it is ordinary Wikipedia that any South African can edit and write his private opinions

Give me a reliable source, burden of proof is on YOU ALL

Okay, I know you CANNOT prove it....FAIL .

jln115:
We are building our own unlike nigeria which buys all their equipment!

Nigeria is the first country in Africa to build a modern stealth warship.

Germany built ALL South African frigates and submarines
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patches689:
centurion uses petrol engine

They were equipped with petrol engines, which necessitated the use of an extra externally mounted 100-imperial-gallon (450 L) fuel tank, which was attached to the vehicle's rear.[19][27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_tank

All olifants Mk1 use diesel engines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion_tank#South_Africa_2

All SANDF Olifants were upgraded to Mk1 standard in 1985
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_South_African_Army

If you bothered to spend 5 min on google you would not have wasted everyones time, and furthermore, you would not have yet again illustrated what an argumentative child you are.

Your petulance is tiresome.

Those sources did NOT say ALL Olifants tanks, you added your own private opinion, you proved NOTHING !

I await a clear proof
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patches689:
Or maybe UNITA had better MANPADS because the Americans gave them Stingers

Maybe, Stingers allowed them to shoot down more Mig's because the Stinger was better than what we had at the time?

Stop looking for cheap insults you clown

Truth hurts you butt hurt .

Your 'Maybe' is your private imagination.

Over 80% of Bush War soldiers on SADF's side were Angolan men of UNITA and FLNA rebels, so they get 80% of the glory, Cuban MiG-23 was always attacking them not you !
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MikeCZAR:
ALL Olifants use engines different from the Centurion.

Prove it with clear Source
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patches689:
Just a reminder:

7 "frigates"

Yes,

7

Name the 7 Frigates
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jln115:
READ the other source village idi0t! F0kkit

I read it, and it proved you wrong ! Retaarrd !
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jln115:
Dont no why i even bother posting sources, when you cant even READ them,but here you go.

www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37288:movement-on-the-ipv-front&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

You see why you don't like me?

I said show source to prove your navy is buying OPV, you replied above with source saying you will buy IPV....

See why you had problem understanding HMS/D and HMS ?

Reason why you don't like arguing with me.....
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patches689:
Just like no contract has been signed for your Junk Fighters

Did you not read the artical? The SANDF does not panic buy like Nigeria, we take our time, we study the ships and what is best suited to our needs, we are in no rush. The RFI has been issued, RFQ for the IPV's was issued on December 3rd and the tender will be closed in June, OPV acquisitions will begin thereafter
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37288:movement-on-the-ipv-front&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Not to mention that the number of IPV's to be acquired now stands at 6, not 3.

And unlike your day dreams about obsolete Pakistani knock-offs, our project have clear mile-stones and come with concrete information.

"broke" SADF just outdid Nigeria in one fell swoop, soon orders will be places for 3 "light frigates" that bring our tally up to 7.

Deal with it.

Nigeria named what we are buying....JF-17 Thunder.

You name what OPV South Africa is buying...answer now !
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jln115:
Its you that need glasses go read the sources again...oh wait...you cant READ

No you can't read your own source that says 26 tanks out of about 230 tanks, what of the over 200 tanks? Wind blew them away? Burden of proof is on you ! Prove it....the other 200 tanks
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patches689:
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They didnt specify, so we will happily assume all of them.

Since you happily assume you will be getting 40 Junk Fighters

No we have money, you are broke !

Then buying a brand new fighter is not same as turning an ancient bush war gun into a 21st century air defence system.

How many of the Oerlikon remain in service? Many destroyed by enemy, many unserviceable after 30 years, many written off.

Show us numbers, NAF said 25-40 JF-17, now show us SANDF numbers scheduled for Oerlikon upgrade to CRAM....we are waiting....
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patches689:
54. March 1st. 1988 MIG-23 ML? ? Felled by SADF
55. March 17, 1988 MIG-23 ML Cuito 1 Ernest Chavez
56. March 23, 1988 MIG-23 ML? ? Felled by SADF

Yes by ground fire and UNITA
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patches689:
Moving the goal posts

Nope, that was my original question, ALL olifant tanks is what I asked him to prove, but he could not.