₦airaland Forum

ActivateKruger:
UNITA fought their wars and the SADF fought theirs.... the more complex battles were fought by the SADF, UNITA didn't have the capacity to do so.

UNITA shot down more MiG-23 at close range than SADF....Means UNITA faced more deadly air attacks than SADF.

80% of Angolan war was fought by UNITA in that bush war era, historical records show that !
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patches689:
Obsolete is obsolete

Yes, like the obsolete 17 year old technology SAAF Gripen C

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patches689:
Ever heard of a figure of speech?

Your technical error is NOT a figure of speech. You failed economics in school

jln115:
Hahaha coming from someone who thinks that air gets more dens the higher you go!

No, quote where I said that.

I said on mountain altitude there is snow and cold ice air is denser than low land. I also posted a source to prove that even on low land on a cold day, our golf ball travels slower in the air because it gets denser as you go up.

I still recommend adult education for you sir, don't be ashamed to be the oldest man in the classroom.

jln115:
Wow 1 Angolan su-27 impressive!

Google search how many aircraft SA-7 has s.hot d.own all over the world till today. SANDF Starsteak has not even shot down a Pigeon since it was produced
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patches689:
[size=15pt]South African Navy OPV and IPV purchase confirmed!![/size]

South Africa will be ordering 3 OPV's and 3 IPV's
http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/start-of-acquisition-process-for-six-new-sa-navy-patrol-vessels-confirmed-2014-03-20

The interesting part

For reasons of seaworthiness and endurance, and to be able to effectively operate a helicopter, the new OPVs are expected to be much larger, displacing perhaps 2 000 t or even more.

Yes, that is right, our 3 new OPV's will all be bigger than Nigeria's new "light frigates" (which weigh in at 1,440 tons), meaning that (by the Nigerian definition) South Africa will have a fleet of 7 Frigates

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*pic unrelated

Bwahahaaha

Whom are you trying to fool ? Your old story article is dated
20th March 2014 by Keith Campbell, how come you are posting it December 2014 and yet no contract has been signed and no model type of OPV has been selected by your broke SANDF-SAN

No wonder you also added a fake photo to represent your non-existent and unnamed imaginary OPV.

Wow ! See what the envy of Nigeria's new jet fighter purchases have done to you in 7 days....boiling envy can lead to epilepsy

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MikeCZAR:
They're being upgraded.

"Wanna put CRAM"? LOL

Show us proof of how many units are being upgraded now
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jln115:
It stand for display as in the sight is displayed on the helmet and not only on the HUD, and as i have clearly stated before a hms and hmsd is the same, hence the reason the word OR was used to indicate that a helmet used for targeting or cueing of weapons can either be called a hms OR hmsd, its 2 different names for the same thing.

Ever heard of a synonym!
Learn to Read!

Go back to school and learn comprehension. You get confused easily.

NaijaPikinGidi:
Gangsters of South Africa doing the country proud across tribal lines! For Mandela's sake they have signed a peace accord hopefully the weapons and ammunition will be retained for when the battle of the townships begin again after Mandela's memorial!

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http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/gangs-sign-peace-accord-for-mandela

Dog eat dog
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jln115:
www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk2.htm
www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=267

You need new eye glasses to read well? I said ALL olifant tanks, about 230 units, show me proof that they all have new engines, not your source that says you upgraded only 26 units to Mk. 2 version.

"In 2003, BAe Systems was awarded a contract to upgrade a stock of 26 Olifant Mk 1B production models to the Mk 2 standard. These are powered by a Continental diesel engine unit outputting at 1,040 horsepower."

Show us the engine inside the remaining 200 tanks !
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Patchesagain:
SAAF/SADF shot down 3 Mig-23ML's in Angola
http://www.mercenary-wars.net/angola/angola-86-89/russian-downed-pilots.html

Nope ! Your own source says the MiG-23 were shot down by army anti--aircraft guns and missiles, not air to air jet combat that I am asking for.

You didn't know that last year @Andrewza admitted on this forum that South African Mirage F1 pilots could not challenge Cuban MiG-23 pilots air to air because the Cubans will wipe out SAAF from the air!

Also from your source we see that UNITA takes glory for 80% of the bush war effort as proved below :

October 24, 1987 MIG-23 ML? 1 Cap. Lorenzo Morales Ramos? Shot down by MANPADS (anti-aircraft force UNITA)
40. October 28, 1987 MIG-21 UM Luvuey - Lt. Cor. Manuel Rojas, Cap. Ramon Quesada Aguilar. Shot down by antiaircraft fire from UNITA. Captured.
41. November 25, 1987 MIG-21? ? No data.
42. November 29, 1987 MIG-23 ML Cuito? Felled by G-5 of the SADF.
43. November 29, 1987 MIG-23 ML Cuito? Felled by G-5 of the SADF.
44. November 29, 1987 MIG-23 ML Cuito? UNITA shot down by MANPADS
45. November 29, 1987 MIG-23 ML Cuito? UNITA shot down by MANPADS
46. December 12, 1987 MIG-21 Cuito? UNITA shot down by MANPADS
47. December 20, 1987 MI-8T Tempue 1 1er.Tte. Alejandro Diaz
48. January 14, 1988 MIG-23 ML Cuito - Cap. Francisco A. Doval. UNITA shot down by MANPADS.


South Africa did not do much fighting in Angola, UNITA rebels of Savimbi did all the big jobs ! Proved above . Fact !
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sirjerry:
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...ASPIDE

Thanks bro, I forgot the BVR long range Aspide SAM of Nigeria
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Patchesagain:
1. Swingfire - obsolete
2. Atoll - obsolete
3. PL-9C - Iris-T and A-Darter are superior
4. Otomat Mk1 - obsolete
5. Roland - obsolete
6. SA-7 - obsolete
7. Blowpipe - obsolete

Wow, so impressive

Countries all over the world still use them including major powers and oil rich nations like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt, India, etc.

AK-47 is not a modern rifle but it kills. SA-7 of UNITA shot down Angolan Su-27 Flanker
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Patchesagain:
SAAF has unlimited supply from next year onwards

According to the law of economics, there is NOTHING like unlimited supply in this world when money cost in involved.

The law of economics rather says that HUMAN NEEDS are unlimited.

You are a victim of poor Southie education.

rka1:
Na wah oh bros! E be like say we go soon rival Algeria O! no be small.

I think President Jonathan is sending warning signals to Chad, Cameroon, South Africa, France.

Nigerian air force will beat Algeria soon, we have more combat helicopters and much better ISTAR aircraft, we also have 10 times more combat experience ! Even Egypt will fear Nigeria soon.

Watch NAF 2015 emerging great beyond your wildest imaginations !
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mzilakazi:
Junk Fighter =Scorpion jets. Bwahahahaha.... Anyway I knew that the SU-30s are not for the faint hearted.

ActivateKruger:
There was never a Su-30 on Nigerian soil....

mzilakazi:
You never had SU30s at the first place. Bwahahahaha...

ActivateKruger:
so much for the Su-30..

ActivateKruger:
We would be having a worthwhile debate if you had purchased the Su-30 but its the Junk Fighter not even the Chinese want.

[size=25pt] Nigeria To Buy Russian Jet Fighters !

NAF to become Africa's Most Powerful Air Force !

http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/150158/nigeria-to-buy-russian-fighter-jets

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Patchesagain:
Nope, POS slav engineering did not meet our standards

Nope, your SA engineers did not meet manufacturer's standards of the engine they needed to engineer
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rka1:
http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/150158/nigeria-to-buy-russian-fighter-jets

Thanks big bros ! Allow me to flash your story with a magnifying glass soon oga mi !
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NaijaPikinGidi:
They insult and talk down on Chinese military-tech and socio-economic achievements ... yet these loud mouth South Africans are tightly held in the jugular by the same Chinese people!

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http://mg.co.za/article/2014-12-04-the-age-of-mandarin-is-upon-us

[size=16pt]So China rules South Africa ! Chai ! Okoko-bioko
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NaijaPikinGidi:
A porous Security Establishment is all South Africa has! No more ... no less! Evidence below.



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http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/over-7000-guns-reported-stolen-1.1791331#.VIYNUcanq4Q

One day I will s.teal Zuma's daughters
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jln115:
By that time our defence review will be fully integrated, mayby then we can upgrade our gripens to e/f stan

[size=16pt]Now you admit SAAF Gripens are obsolete 20 year old technology and needs upgrade !

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jln115:
Yes i did say i think the JF-17 is a good fighter for a cheap price that suit NAFs need , but its not in the same class as the gripen in terms of capability Gripen=Merc JF-17=toyota both good fighters but thats way the gripen is more expensive because you get more features for your money! but hey maby NAF will buy the gripen one day if the need arises.

I posted source of why JF-17 is cheap, free technology of J-10 engineering works given to Pakistan almost for free, the whole R & D cost was as low as $500 million !

Gripen costs Billions of dollars R & D.....and also Europeans over-price their products, like the Volvo cost more than Toyota but Toyoto is far more reliable and better all round specs/performance.

SAAF bought over-priced Gripen, thanks to the millions of dollars bribe payed to ANC politicians by SAAB Sweden.

A jet that sells by bribery and corruption must be over-priced and not worth the money !
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jln115:
Applications which allow cuing of weapon systems are referred to as helmet-mounted sight and display (HMSD) or helmet-mounted sights (HMS)" dus targeting of weapn systems not displaying of flight data

HMSD=HMS just two different names for the same thing thats way in the sentence they use
or meaning it can be called both.

Learn to read! Please!

If HMS/D does not Display data, what does the 'D' stand for, Donuts ?

Better go enroll for Adult education classes nearest to your house
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MikeCZAR:
what was the kill ratio Heruburubu?

South African Gripens are slightly different from others.

Yes only South African Gripens have less than one missile each. Guinness Book Of World Records missile shortage
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MikeCZAR:
The missile will first be operational on the Gripens.
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Then when funds become available[/size] it will be integrated on the Hawk.

Can you comprehend?

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Yes, we comprehend that you now admit SANDF is seriously cash broke ![/size]
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ActivateKruger:
Behold : The mighty Gripen showing off her weapons

Gripen showing off it's almost 20 year old obsolescent technology

Your mates are buying 2012-2014 modern jets....Mumu
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jln115:
i posted sources before that clearly states that Gripen c/d are 4.5gen and sources have been posted previously that gripen ng/,e/f will be the first 6thgen aircraft

Now you have gone absolutely I.N.S.A.NE
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Henry120:
SAAF JAS-39D
(click to view full)
In 1999, South Africa became the Saab JAS-39 Gripen‘s 1st export customer, ordering 26 fighters.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-military-maintenance-matters-010956/


Actually, I was correct.

15 years
26 planes
8 pilots to show


Embarrassing

Bwahahahaha
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MikeCZAR:
The Olifant and Centurion don't have the same engine.

Lack of information displayed again.

Show us proof that every Olifant tank has a different engine from the Centurion
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ActivateKruger:
Most of the SAAF fighters were Mirages III and F1s.... they shot down the MiG 21, you probably know that by now.

Shot down MiG-21 with Mirage F-1 and you boast? Lol.

Why did your Mirage F-1 not shoot down MiG-23 in the same war?

SAAF cowards, using jets to chase helicopters, avoiding Cuban teenage pilots of MiG-23
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MikeCZAR:
Missiles operational with the SANDF. 1. Ingwe ATGM 2. Milan ATGM 3. Exocet AsM 4. Mongoose missile. 5. IRIS-T SRAAM

Nigeria: 0

You have none!!! NO MISSILES!!

Mongoose is not a 'missile' really, it's an anti-missile projectile and NOT yet operational NOT in service, it's another Mokopa scandal

NAF, NA, NN have SEVEN different types of missiles .

1. Swingfire
2. Atoll
3. PL-9C
4. Otomat
5. Roland
6. SA-7
7. Blowpipe.

Get it?
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Henry120:
But you signed the contracts in 1999. It means from the time you signed the contracts, you must have sent officers to train on the platform.

So, from 1999-2014, you only managed to train 8 people to fly the Gripen.

"It does get more pathetic than this.".......... by this I mean, only 12 SAAF Gripens are operational.

A true broke/ pathetic Airforce.

SANDF-SAAF is becoming poor like a church rat now o !
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