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Thiza: @AUGUSTUS THESE HOUSES ARE FOR THE POOR AND UNEMPLOYED FOR FREE....

....That's the reason why 90% of South African men are lazy drunkards who refuse to work, they want to live like kings just because ANC is in power, can they get free cash and houses free in the days of P.W. Botha ?

Lazy Soweto nation, able bodied men who waste their whole life drinking Koeldrank, drugs, womanizing, web p.orno, smoking...

Waiting for immigrants to come from other countries to the work that is available in South Africa, so that you people can sleep from morning till night waiting for free lunch from Soweto government.

Keep feeding and housing your wasted generation of adults for free, you think that Father Christmas policy makes South Africa great? No, it makes you stink up to heaven, the Bible says "He that will not work, let him not eat"....reason why the Boer-Whitemen still hate you lazy unproductive black South Africans, you are a sucking burden to the whole nation.

The slum people in Makoko Lagos have work or trade they do....and heaven is praising them for the fruits of their labour despite living in a slum.

South Africans have well developed cities but poorly developed human brains

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patches689: So you admit that South Africa is the better country

Nigeria as a nation is 166 years behind South Africa

You also have no world class cities

Quote where I ever said South Africa is a better country...quote it.

You have more cities built with modern infrastructure, that's all I said. Thank your master F.W. De Klerk for your fine buildings and roads.

What makes you better? All South Africa's modern cities are crime infested and unsafe, Johannesburg has been declared as the most unfriendly city in the world.

Nigerian insecurity is limited to the remote, rural border towns with very few people.

99% of Nigeria's modern cities are 99% safe to live in and friendly to the core.

Nigeria's economy is almost double that of South Africa, we have 6 times less debt, and big companies like Nissan, Toyota, Ford are all systematically running away from South Africa to find salvation, deliverance, and prosperity of business in Nigeria.

Lagos business hub is slowly taking the cream and icing sugar off your cake to make Pretoria economically dry and tasteless

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Msauza: The last time I remember there was no single Nigerian who died under the struggle of SA. The Cubans and Angolans have much contribution than you but they do not have big mouth like you.

Lastly, the honour goes to youth of 1976 who fought for the freedom of SA. Nigeria always like to be forward with everything even to where it did nothing. Zim, Moz and Bots all had major contribution than Nigeria, financially and militarily .

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Apartheid in South Africa was not defeated by military or financial power. Cuban/Angolan military fought SADF to a draw, no winner.

South African apartheid regime was defeated by economic sanctions, international isolation and ostracization that cut them off from the rest of the world, grinding the economy and polity of South Africa to a steady halt...that was the intelligent strategy created, effected, campaigned, spread, and led by Nigeria the giant of Africa.

Freedom fighters were wasting AK-47 bullets in the bush....it did NOT free Mandela....Nigerian international diplomatic war did the job perfectly.

Proves to you Nigerian brains are the smartest in Africa !
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MikeZA: Angola Casspir-2000 is the best. It can fit 20mm cannon and take punishment.

Punishment ? One single RPG will tear it to pieces. It also has only one roof turret for combat...weak point. Even Cobra APC carries 20mm cannon.

MikeZA: SA is leading. How many countries operate Chinese MRAPS?

The Chinese MRAP is new in market, Nigeria is the first to test it in battle and it is good. We have opened it to the world market.

American MRAPs are used by many countries, USA, Britain, France , Canada, Italy, Pakistan, etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_(mine_protected_vehicle)

South African MRAPs cannot match the Americans RPG resistant MRAPs

PHOTO : AMERICAN MRAP

https://wwwcache.wraltechwire.com/asset/news/2010/08/04/8081562/The_Pentagon_recently_ordered_75_BAE_Systems_RG-33L_6x6_MRAP_vehicles-496x384.jpg

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Thiza: @AUGUSTUS WHOEVER LIED TO YOU THAT NIGERIA LED OUR FIGHT FOR FREEDOM WAS TELLING A BLUE BIG LIE ANYWAY YOU HAVE A LOOSE MOUTH THAT CANNOT EVEN SUBSTINTIATE FACTS FROM FICTION......ANC FOUGHT TOGETHER WITH SOUTH AFRICAN MASSES....AFRICA HELPED IN MATERIAL, MORAL AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT AND NIGERIA WAS AMONG THOSE COOUNTRY AND NOTHING EXTRA ORDINARY WAS DONE BY NIGERIA.....JUST TO CORRECT YOU MISPLACED AND DISTORTED HISTORY COUNTRIES OF THE SOUTHERN AFRICA PLAYED MORE PIVOTAL ROLE IN FIGHT AGAINST APARTHEID AND NOT NIGERIA......ANGOLA WHERE UMKHONTO WE SIZWE HAD ITS MILITARY CAMPS, TANZANIA PROVIDED SCHOOL, FARM AND ACCOMODATION, ZAMBIA WAS WHERE THE HQ OF THE ANC WAS SITUATED, BOTSWANA WAS USED AS A TRANSIT TO AND FROM SOUTH AFRICA AS WAS WITH SWAZILAND, LESOTHO AND TO LESS EXTEND ZIMBABWE.....@AUGUSTUS NIGERIA ONLY PROVIDED FINANCIAL SUPPORT AS WAS WITH THE ORGANISATION OF AFRICAN COUNTRIES.....SO STOP LYING AND TRYING TO REWRITE AND WHITE WAS OUR HISTORY.

Nigeria saved your Grand Papas' lives from destruction

You these ungrateful coconut heads


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SANDF hollywood demo photos....You could not even catch Rhino poachers, you failed, now moviing all Rhinos away from Kruger park

Thiza: @AUGUSTUS JUST ACCEPT NIGERIA WONT BE ON SOUTH AFRICAN LEAGUE NOT ATLEAST IN YOUR LIFE TIME......MUMU COMPARING CITIES SOUTH AFRICA WOULD DEVASTATE YOU

Nigeria has world class cities, I proved that. South Africa has more of it, yes, thanks to your 5 milliom white-man Boer masters who wasted your fathers' and mothers' destiny in the process of building South African infrastructure for the white-man's benefit.

THIZA, go kiss the shoes of F.W. DE-KLERK

Say thank you to Nigeria, we led the fight for your freedom, now you THIZA can have laptop to post photos, but 30 years ago, can you enter South African airport? No you dare not....Those same Police dogs in photos you have been posting here, will eat you up

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andrewza: Warfar is not conduct on flat ground. Terrian is a issue.

Moveing to far foward puts them at risk of direct fire or being over run.

Well moveing you can can not shoot but can be shot at.

Terrain is an issue for both sides in a war. So, you also dreaming to fire indirect 39km away will be missing target a lot, you cannot see the enemy.

If Palmaria can move forward and get h.it by direct enemy fire, then it means the enemy is less than 10km away, so the Palmaria does not need to move in the first place, it has a gun range of 24km

I have not changed since you left the forum....still Augustine....your boss
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andrewza: You don't have any stupid spy baloon. You plamarie are out gunned, your motriced infantry are out gunned by mechnized and your tanks are out gunned by our armoured cars never mind tanks. Most of your army drives around in hilux pick ups.

Nigeria's spy balloon deployment was posted here for the first time June/July, the army revealed some of it's specs and location in the public address, I posted the story here and nobody could challenge it. You were away from this forum for many months. Do you even notice that this nairaland website crashed and thousands of posts were deleted from this thread?

50 Palmaria cannot be out-gunned by 46 G-6 Rhino.

Nigeria has 660 artillery guns against 120 of SANDF, we have 550 tanks against 250 of SANDF....you are the ones who are turned into dwarfs
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patches689: Which has never been battle tested

The Casspir has almost 40 years of proven performance and is one of the most popular MRAPS in the world

Big Foot MRAP has been battle tested in Nigeria.

patches689: SANDF is hardly involved

Photos and government reports clearly say SANDF is very involved in anti-poaching war.

patches689: No it's not

Apart from better comms what do insurgents have now that they didn't back then?

Taliban/Mujahedeen/Al Qaeda modern combat tactics developed against NATO/USA, anti-aircraft guns, anti-tank weapons, civilian kidnappings as human shield, and suicide b.ombings of civilians at random
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FighterPilot: POACHERS WONT EVEN DARE TO CHALLENGE SANDF IN A GUN BATTLE AS BH HAS DONE TO YOUR RAG TAG ARMY.

The poachers did not need to challenge SANDF is battle, they hardly ever meet face to face, your army and air force was not intelligent enough to find them. SANDF only finds dead and de-horned Rhinos in Kruger park...poacher already escaped to Zimbabwe with your Rhino horns.

andrewza: But it has not happened.

Simply tells you Nigeria and Israel are not facing the same risk level of insurgency. In Nigeria's case, the enemies includes millions of radical extremist and jihadist Nigerian Islamic faithfuls citizens at home inside and all over Nigeria supporting Boko Haram Islamic war against a 'Christian President', Nigerian military also has about 80,000 Islamic faithfuls and some of them jihadists exposing our military operations and plans to Boko Haram. Israeli army does not face this peculiar problem from inside Israel or Israeli army.

Algeria has a similar situation like Nigeria, do you know how many Algerian civilians died from Islamic insurgency? 150,000 innocent men, women, and children in 10 years.....and Algeria has the best equipped military in Africa.

Nigeria strong, very few nations of this world can survive what we have survived, most countries will implode and self-destruct
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deji68: are we really outgunned by the BH read this i got it from beegeagle blog[color=#006600][/color]

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August 12, 2014 at 3:17 pm
Sorry if i sound callous guys, but i am afraid what we are seeing is a continuation of the softening of the Nigerian Armed forces. championed by the latest television wars between mis- matched parties
US vs Taliban
US/Allies vs Iraqis
Isrealis vs Hamas etc.

We have become soft, We now believe war is fought from 9am to 1pm, break for lunch resume by 3pm after siesta and finish for the day by 6pm, total casualty count (1 soldier, who stubbed his toe on a rock). Once you run into the enemy, hunker down and call in air support. After airstrike go in and mop up, and resume advance.

I have said before that given the equipment i saw on Sirius thread, the Nigerian Army can be better equipped, but clearly for this war against Boko Haram, lack of equipment cannot qualify as an excuse for what we are seeing and hearing in Damboa, Gwoza etc..

I will attempt to outline everything i have seen in the Boko arsenal based on all we have seen and read , and then i will show on the other side the solutions NA has in its arsenal to counter them:

Rifles
—–Boko Haram (AK 47) vs NA (options of AK-47 or FN), the FN out ranges the AK comfortably (dont know why we now only see them at the annual range competitions)

RPGs
——Boko (RPG 7) vs NA (RPG7, recently sighted semi auto grenade launchers)

Machine Guns
Boko (Chinese GPMGs) vs NA (FN MAG, Chinese GPMGs, RPK Light MGs etc.)

Heavy MGs
Boko (Russian 12.7mm DHsKs) vs NA (Browning 50cals) the DhsK out ranges the 50cal marginally, but at regular combat ranges, the differences of 2-300m are not as significant as we sometimes like to make out. Actually most of the fighting happens at 200 to 400m, comfortably within the killing range of both these heavy machine guns and the GPMGs.

Sniper rifles
Boko (unknown) vs NA (Steyr, and Russian Dragunov)

Mortars
Boko (unknown but few if any) vs NA (60mm, 81mm) covering ranges from 0.5km to 7km. This means that when the technicals sit out at 800m range and batter our positions, a mortar battery of 2 or 3 mortars can give them a really bad day from a position sheltered from fire, either a trench or a bunker

Artillery
Boko (Unknown) vs NA (105mm howitzers, 122mm guns, 130mm guns, 155mm howitzers) able to hit targets as far as 12-25km away.

Air power
Boko (None) vs NA (3 Alphajets, 2 helo gunships) i am assuming all the rest is dysfunctional, which of course cannot be. Grossly insufficient, but should be more than adequate for a point battle like we have now in Gwoza

Armour
Boko (few captured NA or Camerounian APCs) vs NA ( Cobra APCs, Scorpion Tanks, Panhard Sagaie1/2, T55s, Vicker Eagle etc.)

Based on the foregoing, we would probably be embarrassed if we were fighting Cameroon, or chad or Sudan and based on that we need to rapidly re-equip. However, we are not fighting them (yet), so i really dont see why we should not win this current fight and much more easily than we are doing today.

In my view our real challenges are
– In-experienced soldiers, who are encouraged by the political press (sahara et al) to believe that if they make sufficient noise this cup will pass over them

– A public that has not understood that this is a war, same blood, guts and sweat scenario the made Churchill make his famous speech.

The improved equipment will certainly come, in fact we are already seeing it in Sirus pix, but we must win the battles before that with what we have. it will mean higher casualties than if we had improved equipment, but what is the choice really? Wait for Boko to enter Bauchi and Jos, and then counter attack with SU25s, MRAPs and every soldier carrying Tavors? In the mean time what would be the situation of the displaced population? we already have a sorry situation with a few thousands displaced from Damboa and Gwoza.

We need to pull up our socks and fight this war, if Boko Haram can storm into the fight carrying only AKs, RPGs and Heavy machine guns, are our soldiers now so soft that they cannot match them except they are comfortably ensconced in air conditioned MRAPS, with jet fighters watching their every move? To think that the heros of Liberia and Sierra Leone didnt even have body Armour!!! What has become of us?
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[size=14pt]With due respect to the writer of the above piece, you got it all wrong. 50% of the major Nigerian army equipment you listed above are obsolete, outdated, malfunctioning, or non-operational.

Army equipment has broken down or failed to fire sometimes in the middle of battle.

Most Nigerian army weapons were purchased from 1975 to 1985 and have become faulty, obsolete, and unserviceable.

Many of the equipment you listed were also purchased in very limited numbers, too few to protect Nigeria's almost 1 million square kilometers of land, and we cannot move all equipment to North East, or else Boko Haram can s.trike in the southern parts of Nigeria and gain upper hand there.

You listed the textbook theory and not the reality in practical.

You also failed to see that 90% of the Nigerian army equipment you listed above are for Conventional warfare, but Boko Haram insurgency is an UN-CONVENTIONAL warfare where the enemy masquerades and mixes up with civilains.

In such cases, 90% of your artillery is useless or else you k.ill your own innocent civilians you are trying to protect.

This is why Israeli army k.illed over 1,000 innocent civilain women, children, men, and new born babies in Gaza withing 30 days of artillery and tank bombardment of Gaza just this July/August.

You want NAF and NA to k.ill 1,000 innocent northern Nigerian women and children? You want to start inter-tribal war in Nigeria ?

Also, you cannot use air force aircraft against Boko Haram fighters that are hiding inside innocent peoples houses and shoo.ting at Nigerian army from roof top and windows, or from well dug in holes/trenches.

Please when you write about war, you have to use a balanced knowledge of military science.

If Nigerian army is well equipped, why did Sirius Black write a new and long list on this forum July 21 ? ...I copy him below :

https://www.nairaland.com/siriusblack/posts/3

SiriusBlack: I hope the pilots were safe....

SHOPPING LIST FOR THE FRONTLINES.

A few months ago, defence blog, Beegeagle., reported that the President, GEJ, had requested that the National Assembly release 1bn dollars for the campaign going on in the North East..we were all estatic and greeted the news with joy...News trickling in, first as rumours, that an Mi-35 Gunship of the NAF. Had crashed has now been confirmed..Makes one wonder, will USD1bn be enough? Here is a "list" of things urgently needed at the frontlines..Mr President, if you are reading this, attend to the plight of your men from your position as Commander-in-Chief...Sir, its time to disregard analysis of ppl who are just trying to keep their jobs by saying that all is well..Sir, all is not well at all for the past 2 months..BH has continued to isolate military units and storm camps in their hundreds..Pls sir...this is what is urgently needed..

1. NVGs for all SF teams operating behind enemy lines...their work is suicidal..yet they go into the Night with songs of praises for the Army..they need NVGs.

2. Tavor rifles for all SF teams in the N.E: Sir, the cameroonian BIR troops, when engaging BH in gun battles, use rifles so accurate, its like taking candy from a baby..our SF teams too need Tavors.

3. Changing from 3mags per man system..Sir, some of the Bulletproof vests, do not have pouches for ammo..pls sir, Mag pouches are urgently need to be worn over vests without pouches...3mags in a gunfight is too small sir, especially with a weapon as inaccurate as an AK..at least, 6 mags per man.

4.Replacing all Hilux vehicles with MRAPs and APCs and relegating Hilux vehicles to mobile supply vehicles..

5.Needed infantry systems: AGLs, UGLs for AKs, NV binoculars, more desert camos, knee pads, elbow pads, and more importantly, ATGMs.

6. Firepower needed: at least 300 BMP-2s along with 600-100 Zsu-23-2 mounted guntrucks...For offensive operations...troops are tired of always defending bases..

7.Handheld drones: even Kenyan troops field them..for Company level surveillance.

8. Mosquito nets, desert goggles, and handcuffs.

9. Prayers of Nigerians.

Thank You.

https://www.nairaland.com/siriusblack/posts/3


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[size=14pt]Nigerian Army Roasts Boko Haram Anti-Aircraft Gun Truck...This is how we move...

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Best MRAP in Africa....Nigeria

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Mister THIZA, Nigeria is building a $16 Billion train network in different phases, this is the Chinese middle class and transport project. A bigger and more sophisticated project is coming after this, enjoy the video...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQv7tM9nvP0

Thiza: @augustus show us the modern road networks throughout Nigeria as is displayed in the South African map........No country in Africa possess such a sophistication of network and these roads are paved and excellent.....unlike YOUR BUNDU COUNTRY CALLED NIGERIA

THIZA de fotografa, Nigeria has world class cities, watch this video and go to embassy, apply for Nigerian VISA now !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDyjbHauOQw

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Thiza: @AUGUSTUS DOES NIGERIA HAVE ANY FORM OF TRANSPORT RESEMBLING WHAT SOUTH AFRICA HAS.....PLEASE NO DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE THAT WERE USED IN THE LAST CENTURY 1950's AS A MODE OF TRANSPORT

HERE BELOW IS SOUTH AFRICA FAST TRAIN.....TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE STATION

My dear brother THIZA we saw photos of the fine electric trains of South Africa you posted yesterday, but you forgot to add this one, so I will help you add it below...enjoy it brother :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2613269/South-African-democracy-marks-20th-anniversary.html

PHOTO : SOUTH AFRICAN MODERN 'SUPER TRAINS' IN YEAR 2014. SO CALLED EUROPE OF AFRICA !

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MikeZA: In front of artillery sits a line of infantry armoured,mechanised and motorised. Any advance towards them means,FACs with binoculars which can "operate" and send a "request for fire" to C2 systems or designate targets more than 20km away with laser. Ever heard about Ratel EAOS?

Palmaria artillery is not advancing alone, you are fighting an army that also has motorized infantry and armoured brigades.......and spy balloons watching all enemy movements. You think in a war, only you will be doing things? Like Iraq thought he was going to kick Iran like a kid ?

MikeZA: Let's talk about things separately. If you wanna talk about COIN,just read about SA recces,Polica task force,Koevoet in the 80s. No freedom fighter could walk in South African towns with guns. The SA army isn't leading the campaign.

ANC freedom fighters were not doing suicide bombings of civilains all over South Africa, and they were not willing to use your fathers and mothers as hostages or human Shields against South Africa's white army.

Meanwhile, your 1980s wars are outdated, this is modern 2014 COIN wars where Boko Haram is fighting Nigeria, Chad, Cameroon at the same time, and ISIS is heading for Baghdad while Iraqi army is collapsing and mighty American air force has been called in to lead air attack.

2014 insurgency is 100 times more powerful than your old school bush runs of 1980.

South Africa is 66 years behind Nigeria in many things, am sure you know that.

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MikeZA: The SANDF is doing boarder patrols and helping other security forces with protection. The deployment isn't complete. No,country can totally close its boarders even the Israelis had to build to keep fighters out. But in a war cross boarder raids can be reduced,as South Africa did in Namibia and helped Rhodesia(now Zimbabwe).

Oh really? From you Mike.ZA ? You have been judging Nigerian army on Boko Haram, Chibok girls kidnap, COIN war, cross border Boko attacks....

Now that ordinary Rhino poachers finally defeated your photogenic South African army and air force in battle on your home land soil Kruger park...you change story to explain how difficult it is to fight unconventional enemies

Papa Ajasco, na waah o !

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NaijaPikinGidi: Shut up! Poachers have so overpowered and outsmarted every security operation/measure (by your incompetent SANDF, SAPolice, Game Rangers) ... And just yesterday your weak government officially announced decision to RELOCATE all Rhinos from your Kruger Game Reserve.

A shameful surrender to ordinary, but more superior Poaching force inside the Republic of South Africa.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03004/rhino_3004173b.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/11029393/South-Africa-to-evacuate-up-to-500-rhino-from-Kruger-National-Park.html

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http://mg.co.za/article/2014-08-12-hundreds-of-rhino-to-be-evacuated-from-kruger-park

Bulls eye shot ! Gbosa !

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MikeZA: So says the person who's army slits throats of suspects. Sies.

In that video, the soldier's face, rank, service ID number, corp emblem, etc were deliberately cut off and invisible...go to world court with such a retaarded fake evidence and you lose the case....mumu

Those soldiers in the video could be you and your brother as mercenaries, who knows? You just recommended sh.elling of innocent civilians today.

Mike.ZA the genocide mercenary....m.urderer !
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MikeZA: Weak !!!!! LOL even out ranged by the G7 105mm howitzer.

Fool !!!!!! Palmaria is a self propelled artillery with full armour protection and speed of a main battle rank, it will simply advance forward and close the range gap of your G-7 artillery in 15 minutes or even less.
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MikeZA: Weak !!!!! LOL even out ranged by the G7 105mm howitzer.

Fool !!!!!! Palmaria is a self propelled artillery with full armour protection and speed of a main battle rank, it will simply advance forward and close the range gap of your G-7 artillery in 15 minutes or even less.

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MikeZA: The biggest war human kind has ever witnessed(world war 2) saw cities will innocent civilians targeted. Your post is irrelevant.

One day you will end up in World Court life jail for war crimes against humanity.

MikeZA: South Africa is leading.

China has overtaken you with Big Foot MRAP

MikeZA: You mean the "Weak Palmaria of NA".

Put your head inside the artillery barrel then we test fire it and 'prove' it's weakness
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FighterPilot: Rhinos are not people and ever since SANDF intervention poachers have gone into thin air.

Somebody here just said it was your Rhinos that actually disappeared into thin air.
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