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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
andrewza: You said that the reason NATO used HEAT to on there tanks and not HE was because they 105mm, not 155mm. We told you that that is wrong the most common NATO tank gun is 120mm. This has now been proven.

So, cold war is over, the dutch once had a massive force of LEO2 now that have no tanks at all, the ERUO militaries have all been down sizing for some time now.

no your very first source was that a 155mm SPH is a AT system, witch proofs your level of retardation
Show me where I said Palmaria is an Anti-Tank system, show me.

I said Palmaria can do direct fire because it is built with special direct fire system and can d.estroy a tank with a 155mm gun shell 12kg of TNT high explosives double of an anti-tank mine.

RPGs have s.h.ot down helicopters, if I say that, does it mean I have said RPG is an anti-aircraft system?

You will score 3% not even 33%, if you write exam in Nigeria!
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:53pm On Aug 18, 2014
agaugust: [size=10pt]Dude, all you know about military stuff is just what you google today. I look at the far past, near history or records and today, plus the future.

I did not say 105mm guns are NATO standard for tanks, I said they are mostly 105mm guns existing.


I said it and I posted source to prove it, MOST NATO
tanks from cold war era till today ever built, have 105mm guns, and the source said it is because 105mm gun was universal in the whole western world in cold war.



Those guns are not thrown away, they are in reserve and still on thousands of NATO reserve tanks. You think NATO is just Britain , France , Germany? LOL, there are 28 countries in NATO !

Even the German Leopard tank has versions built with the 105mm gun, what NATO does is to allow 'SWAP' of 120mm guns on their tanks if they want it anytime.

"The Leopard 2 tank thus initially used perforated armour, and not Chobham armour as is sometimes claimed. PT-14 used the 120 mm Rheinmetall gun (as eventually did the U.S. M1 Abrams). After this, two new prototype hulls and three turrets were ordered, one (PT-20) mounting the original L7A3 105 mm gun and a Hughes fire control system, a second (PT-19) with the same fire control system but able to "swap out" the gun for the 120 mm Rheinmetall design."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2

The largest number of tanks existing in frontline service or storage reserves in 28 countries of NATO have 105mm guns

You remain Patrick, our resident Dumbo Domingo grin grin

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That is a 100% copy of what I posted yesterday, the bold font was my original argument before you Retaarded South Africans twisted it because your weak brains CANNOT stay focused on subject matter, reason why you fail exams in your country and your foolish educational system keeps prompting you all to the next higher class when you score 33%.

Nation of fools grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:46pm On Aug 18, 2014
andrewza: there is no law stopping us from making spar parts. and the one remaining dauphine can sail, though I would not risk a dive to crush depth.

France produced as in past tense, they do not make them any more.

no the subget matter is that the most common NATO used tank main gun is the 120mm, old tanks that have been discarded do not count.

Any case there are only 250 AMX30s left in France, the rest where sold or used as spare parts, scarped extra extra. France does not list them in her military, stored or other wise. They of zero use to the French military.
I started the argument and my subject matter was NATO production, not numbers in service, you did not start the topic, so don't try tell me what the topic is, that's how you fail exams, you know the question more than the examiner who set or drafted the questions. Foolishness.

Most of the 3,500 AMX-30 tanks with 105mm guns were produced by France, less than 900 tanks with 120mm guns were produced by France.

My very first source and argument was manufacture NOT in service. Don't teach me about what I started with my own head, I didn't borrow yours.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:10pm On Aug 18, 2014
andrewza: your own source says former operator. SA was a former operator of the Daphne submarine, do we still have them? No other than 1.
South Africa is not France, you don't manufacture Daphne submarines and you cannot do whatever you want to do with them, you don't even have spare parts production.

France produces AMX-30 tanks, and only a dunce like you will say a whole France cannot bring her AMX-30 tanks into action because French engineers cannot start the engine.

Then you don't know how to make intelligent argument, the subject matter is about what NATO manufactured in total NOT what is on front line service or what's on reserves/storage.

You people just argue out of context and then try to save your ugly faces after you are proved wrong.

I am not surprised anyway, a whole South African army General failed military exams and keeps getting promotion to command your army, the dude was making arguments off topic and quoting out of context in his military academy exams, that's why he failed.

All South Africans are fools because intelligence is a very scarce commodity in your m.entally backward country that celebrates failures grin grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:46pm On Aug 18, 2014
andrewza: no you stupiid rettard they do not have any amx30s until proven other wise.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-30

France has 1,355 AMX-30 tanks with 105mm gun still existing inside French army amoury, they did not transfer them to South Africa...you are confirmed to be a 100% incurable Retaard !

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:31pm On Aug 18, 2014
andrewza: no I need proof they in storage, storage is not cheap by the way.

Nope the reaming are stated as being in storage AKA reserve, there is no mention of the French AMX30s being in storage.
You lost the root of the whole argument. Topic is, NATO has more 105mm tanks than 120mm tanks manufactured, it's not argument about tanks in frontline service or reserves/storage.

I don't care what's in reserve or frontline, France has 1,355 tanks with 105mm gun, but only 400 tanks with 120mm gun.

My argument stands on the original subject matter....you have gone off topic to save your faces from defeat.

NATO manufactured more 105mm tanks than 120mm.

Proved beyond doubt
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:54pm On Aug 18, 2014
andrewza: that because they in storage, not reserve or stragic reserve or any thing like that, they set in the desert and get zero love. It would take a lot of cash to bring them up to operational level.

AMX30s not in use with France, not to mention it is impobil to say how many AMX 30s are even in France since they sold a lot of them and spare parts need to come from some where.

reserve forces maintain there gear, they get brough out of storage every now and then to be used, they not just abandoned some where. Using you logic sa has over 1500 Eland armoured cars, a bunch of impales, mirage, cheetahs, allouets, buffel MPVs extra extra.
You need a source to prove that 1,355 AMX 30 tanks of France are not in storage, that they were thrown to garbage dump.

Sources say not frontline service, not that they are useless and thrown out of amoury into the garbage dump.

South Africa has only 2 G-6 artilley in service according do defenceweb, means the remaining 41 units are dumped into garbage bin?

You think at all?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:47pm On Aug 18, 2014
MikeZA: Ooh yeah? NATO main battle tanks use 120mm gun. Name operational NATO main battle tank that uses a 105 gun.
Greece and Turkey have thousands of 105mm gun tanks as MBT FULLY OPERATIONAL today 2014. I posted clear proof this afternoon, are you blind?
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:03pm On Aug 18, 2014
andrewza: belguim 50 leo 1s 105mm, to be phased out of severs so in fact it is zero
Denmark 57 leo 2 120mm
Canada 135 leo 2 120mm
Italy 197 Ariete 120mm
Luxembourg no tanks it's army is like 900 men.
Norway 53 leo2
US
USMC 403 M1A1 120mm
army 4,393 M1A1, 586 M1A2, 588 M1A2 SEP all 120mm
franc 406 Leclerc 120mm
UK 407 chanlgers 120mm
Portugal 37 leo 2 120mm 96 m60s 105mm
Netherlands no tanks
Poland 189 leo2 120mm, 132 twardy 125mm 350(plus minus) T72s 125mm
hungry 155 t72 125mm
Czech Republic 123 t72s 125mm
Spain 327 leo2s 120mm
Germany 125 le02 120mm (they sold a lot of them post cold war)
turkey 354 leo2 120mm 397 leo 1 105mm, 4 (1000 planed) Altay 120mm, 1377 m48s(modified) 105mm, 1466 m60 105mm, 170 sabra 120mm.
Greece 353 leo 2 120mm, 501 leo 1 105mm, 390 m48(modified) 105mm
Croatian 76 M84 125mm
Albanian no tanks
Slovenian 54 M84 125, 30 T55 100mm
Slovak 30T72s 125mm
Romanian 895 t55(different versions some heavily modified) 100mm
Lithuanian no tanks
Latvia 3(yes 3) t55
Estonia no tanks
Bulgaria 200+ t72s 125mm
Iceland no army never mind tanks.

many ex warsaw pact nastion still have Russian tanks, so they screw the numbers, even so the 120s out number the 105s
America has 2,385 M1 Abrams tanks in storage with 105mm guns, that is missing on your list...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_United_States_Army#Vehicles

France has 1,355 AMX 30 tanks with 105mm gun in storage, that too is missing on your list.

You can show us source that all the thousands of 105mm tanks in NATO armory have vanished into thin air one cold windy morning!

Let Russia attack NATO today with full tank force and you will see NATO 105mm tanks come out of storage.

Those are called reserve forces. Are you in the Navy or you are a fake? LOL !
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:52pm On Aug 18, 2014
patches689: Former Operators: France
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-30#Former_Operators

Liar
Mumu grin

The 2,385 M1 Abrams tank reserved in American storage that you admitted to exist, proves to you NATO keeps all its larger force of 105mm gun tanks in storage.

You think France's 1,355 AMX-30 tanks vanished into thin air? They are in storage.

Let Russia attack France today and see if France will not open storage and bring out from its largest force of 1,355 AMX tanks. You may be the only fool that will go to big war with only 400 tanks of 120mm when your enemy has 2,000 T-72 tanks.

Mumu, you don't know how military weapons reserve forces work grin grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:24pm On Aug 18, 2014
patches689: 2,385 M1 in storage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_United_States_Army#Vehicles

[size=15pt]which means that around 55% of NATO MBT's are armed with 120mm guns - hence the 120mm gun armed MBT forms the majority of NATO mbts, while all modern MBTs are armed with 120mm are replacing the older 105mm MBTs[/size]

looool
You said France has 400 tanks all 120mm guns, but France also has 1,355 AMX 30 tanks with 105mm guns !

All South Africans are fools grin grin

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-30

The larger number of tanks in all 28 NATO countries have 105mm guns....all @Patches claims and data are totally wrong.

That's why you remain our Nairaland resident Dumbo Domingo grin grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:12pm On Aug 18, 2014
MikeZA: I believe pat!!! American new tanks use the standard NATO 120mm gun.
LOL ! I don't mind crowning 10 people as joint fools as long as they are all South Africans.

@Patches told a big lie that all American tanks are 120mm gun, but when I bursted his blue balls and he couldn't bear the pain he confessed that there are 2,385 American tanks with 105mm guns.

There are 28 Countries in NATO and he counted only 8. The 20 countries he avoided have thousands of tanks with 105mm guns. The ones counted have thousands of tanks with 105mm guns in storage including France that has lots of AMX 30 tanks with 105mm guns he did not count.

His data is very wrong, France does not have all tanks 120mm guns, AMX 30 started as 105mm, he ran away from that.

He said France has 400 tanks all 120mm guns, but France also has 1,355 AMX 30 tanks with 105mm guns !

All South Africans are fools grin grin

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-30

No country's tank force is limited to frontline service, when war comes they bring out tanks from storage like Nigeria is now using T-55 tanks they never showed us on army day parades until war came.

NATO 28 countries have more 105mm gun tanks than 120mm, you guys in Soweto box yourselves into tight corners and think you can tell lies to escape? No, before I let you go free, I squeeze your balls till you cry for help grin grin

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:15pm On Aug 18, 2014
patches689: 2,385 M1 in storage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_United_States_Army#Vehicles

which means that around 55% of NATO MBT's are armed with 120mm guns - hence the 120mm gun armed MBT forms the majority of NATO mbts, while all modern MBTs are armed with 120mm are replacing the older 105mm MBTs

looool
Nobody believes you again @Patches, you have d.estroyed ALL your arguments by making a fraudulent claim that all 8,325 American tanks are 120mm guns, but now you say America has 2,385 tanks with 105mm guns after I fed your stomach full with humble pie until y.our belly bursted...

Learn to respect Nigerians !
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:24pm On Aug 18, 2014
patches689: There are 4 major NATO nations

America: 8, 325 MBTs - all are 120mm

UK: 407 MBT's - all are 120mm

France: 400 MBTs - all are 120mm

Germany: 350 MBT's - all are 120mm

Italy: 190 - all are 120mm

Poland: 995 - all are 120mm

Turkey: 921 MBTs with 120mm
2 830 MBT with 105mm

Greece: 854 (the Leopard has 120mm fuckstain) MBT's with 120mm
390 with 120mm

So, there are only 6,510 tanks in all the Nations of the EU
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_European_Union

Add to that the 3751 tanks Turky has, as well as the 8325 the US has, and you get a rough total of 18 586 MBTs in NATO

So, of those 18 586 some 12 442 are armed with 120mm guns.

Thus, 66% of all NATO MBT's have 120mm guns - and bear in mind i didnt even bring up the vast array of minor NATO powers who use the Leopard

So, in conclusion:

1. You just had a humble pie enema
2. the majority of NATO MBT's are 120mm
3. REMINDER: YOU SAID NATO DOES NOT USE HE FOR TANK KILLING BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE 105MM BARRELS ON THEIR TANKS

Ahh, man, that was totally worth the effort.

Keep digging your hole deeper and deeper
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LOL !!!

I will d.estroy all that y.our long story garbage post with only one source.

You say America has 8,325 tanks and all are 120mm gun. Sorry you ruined all your argument, America's tank force is M1 Abram tank series, and it is a mixture of both 105mm guns and 120mm.

The largest numbers of M1 Abrams tanks were built in cold war and were almost all 105mm guns for that era of production. The M1 Abrams tanks with 105mm guns are still in American army today 2014.

You just s.hot y.ourself in the h.ead with a 105mm tank gun grin grin

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:45pm On Aug 18, 2014
patches689: The Royal Ordnance L11A5 is a 120 mm L/55 rifled tank gun design. It was the first of NATO's 120mm tank guns which became the standard calibre for Western tanks in the later period of the Cold War. A total of 3,012 L11 guns were produced at a reported unit cost of US $227,000.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ordnance_L11A5

Its like you have a fetish for humiliating yourself on the internet
Standard, Poooooh !

Do you read my post well? Do you know English language? I said is it NATO standard rule that all 28 member must follow?

Most NATO members dumped that your 'standard'...why is Germany building modern Leopard II tanks with 105mm guns against the 'standards'?

Greece has today 2014, about 900 tanks with 105mm guns, but only about 400 tanks with 120mm guns. Greece, one of NATO's biggest armies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Hellenic_Army#Main_Battle_Tanks

Don't make me post the thousands of 105mm gun tanks still in service with NATO's giant army of Turkey in 2014

Add up all 28 NATO countries tanks and over 50% as majority are 105mm guns.

You cannot rewrite NATO production records of tanks, they have been manufactured already...You are a permanent Retaard grin grin

PHOTO : ARMY OF GREECE IN NATO....TOTALS 900 TANKS WITH 105MM GUN, 400 TANKS WITH 120MM GUNS

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:02pm On Aug 18, 2014
patches689: The majority of operational NATO frontline tanks use 120mm.

It's not 1970 anymore, so your sources are irrelevant

The 4 major NATO powers all use 120mm only

Go look at the tanks in service

You cannot dig yourself out of this hole

I must again remind you to think before you post
I have posted 3 sources 3 weblinks, you posted NO SOURCE, you are the one stuck in a hole.

The argument was never about frontline tanks, but rather how many tanks they have with 105mm guns.

I am the one who educated you further that NATO has both frontline tanks and reserve/storage tanks, you did not know that before.

Show us source that says in NATO, 120mm tank gun is a standard , a rule all 28 NATO countries must follow.

I just proved to you with a shocking source that even the modern Leopard II tanks have 105mm gun versions.

Show us a source that says majority, over 50% of tanks built and existing in armoury of all NATO 28 countries have 120mm guns.

You will need to personally enter all 28 NATO armies armoury and destroy all their 105mm gun tanks for you to win this argument.

Alas ! You cannot rewrite NATO's manufacturing records.

If you have no source, then you have to eat the next round of humble pie, this time I give you oven fresh baked...humble pie ! grin grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:01pm On Aug 17, 2014
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South African special forces and 21 Battalion with air force support fail at home !

Civilian hunters defeat the highly photographed 'Bush War' experts in their homeland bush !

Government to RELOCATE Rhinos into hiding in Zambia !

Defeated by local hunter thieves...

'Famous' Special Forces and 21 Battalion South African army surrender...

To Civilian local Rhino hunters

Jacob Zuma seeks refuge for his Rhinos in Zambia...

Botswana too will become South Africa's new saviour ! [/size]

Pooooooh !! The whole nation, police and military of South Africa has failed to defeat hunters with rifles cutting horns off the heads of your precious Rhinos, so now South Africa has admitted defeat by RELOCATING THE RHINOS out of Kruger Park...Olodos shocked shocked

http://news.wildlife.org/featured/south-africa-to-relocate-hundreds-of-rhinos/

Special Forces, Air force, and 21 Battalion deployed and fail.....Zambian and Botswana armies succeed !

http://www.dod.mil.za/operations/poaching/rhino.htm



PHOTO : FAILED COMBINED FORCES OF SOUTH AFRICA WITH RHINO IN KRUGER PARK shocked shocked

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/JOINT/Rhino_horn_treatment_400x300.jpg

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:32pm On Aug 17, 2014
andrewza: Only nigerians doubt it. Funny hey.
RFI France disagreed, Seleka Rebel commander of the battle disagreed, an African national diplomat openly disagreed.

Only South Africans agree among themselves in joint national self deception and ego massaging war propaganda grin grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:28pm On Aug 17, 2014
andrewza: Last brit tank with a 105 was centurion. All no longer in use

Last yank tank with 105 was the orginal M1. All upgraded to 120

German long since got 120s with the Leo2.

In fact the west are putting there 120mm tanks in reserv they have so many.
Same mistake like the other dude, NATO is 28 different countries, not just 3 Britain, Germany, France.

My first source proved that the whole western world including built more 105mm tanks than 120mm, and thousands in storage.

My second source proved Germany still built Leopard 2 tanks with both 105mm and 120mm guns .

I have posted sources that spoke on the general trend in NATO, you guys just like to argue with truth after you box yourselves into tight corner with a lie grin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:06pm On Aug 17, 2014
andrewza: and the big fights took place in the south, south east. That is forest and brush land.
Brush land means dry grass land , NOT BUSH LAND, don't mix them up dude....and don't you dare argue Geography with a Nigerian.

Brush is another name for scrub...and the trees are short, land is dry and solid. See photo below.

I have posted a whole map of Angolan vegetation, it's mostly desert and scrub or brush (not bUsh...bRush), and dry deciduous forest which is a dry type of forest, with lots of spaces and dry land between the trees.

Now stop twisting African Geography as seen in texbooks, maps, and photos of general area's not a selected small village that has mud or overgrown trees, there is mud in New York too, just drive into what we call back alley in spring season and you get thick mud because we don't cement back street alleys for residential estates with detached duplexes
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:07pm On Aug 17, 2014
patches689: [size=13pt]

REMINDER: AUGUGUBGUGUGUG IS SO IGNORANT ON MILITARY MATTERS THAT HE THOUGHT THAT 105MM GUNS WERE STILL THE NATO STANDARD FOR MBT'S[/size]
[size=13pt]Dude, all you know about military stuff is just what you google today. I look at the far past, near history or records and today, plus the future.

I did not say 105mm guns are NATO standard for tanks, I said they are mostly 105mm guns existing.

I said it and I posted source to prove it, MOST NATO tanks from cold war era till today ever built, have 105mm guns, and the source said it is because 105mm gun was universal in the whole western world in cold war.

Those guns are not thrown away, they are in reserve and still on thousands of NATO reserve tanks. You think NATO is just Britain , France , Germany? LOL, there are 28 countries in NATO !

Even the German Leopard tank has versions built with the 105mm gun, what NATO does is to allow 'SWAP' of 120mm guns on their tanks if they want it anytime.

"The Leopard 2 tank thus initially used perforated armour, and not Chobham armour as is sometimes claimed. PT-14 used the 120 mm Rheinmetall gun (as eventually did the U.S. M1 Abrams). After this, two new prototype hulls and three turrets were ordered, one (PT-20) mounting the original L7A3 105 mm gun and a Hughes fire control system, a second (PT-19) with the same fire control system but able to "swap out" the gun for the 120 mm Rheinmetall design."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2

The largest number of tanks existing in frontline service or storage reserves in 28 countries of NATO have 105mm guns

You remain Patrick, our resident Dumbo Domingo grin grin[/size]

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:19pm On Aug 17, 2014
patches689: There isnt much dry land and tarred road in Angola
Every country has some mud here and there. Most of Angola is dry land as in SADC region. Dry land Namib desert in in Southern Angola.

The biggest part of Angola from north to south is dry desert and dry deciduous grassland....see proof.....

Nigerians know world geography, don't mess around with us Nigerians :

[img]http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/angola_veg_1970.jpg[/img]

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:11pm On Aug 17, 2014
Msauza: Touch our beautiful people and you will see the sole of our shoes
Yes we all saw the sole of your soldier's shoes in Bangui when they took to their heels, ran straight to the arms of France your Big Daddy grin grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:09pm On Aug 17, 2014
Msauza: I have said and I still say that Rhinos are not the area of responsibility of defence. Touch our beautiful people and you will see the sole of our shoes
Seleka rebels touched your beautiful hollywood army and slaughtered 15 to 50 of them, wetin you do? Nothing ? You could not go back there cheesy
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:04am On Aug 17, 2014
Msauza: The fact is they are not human and they are not the area of defence but conservation.
Mozambique's hunters are invading your over-rated country and your 'famous' special forces bush war experts cannot stop them in your own home land bush. End of discussion. Gbam ! cheesy cheesy

Next topic please..
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:54am On Aug 17, 2014
Msauza: Is good that is Rhinos (animals) not human as in the case in Nigeria.
If Rhinos have no value to SA, why do you send elite special forces and air force of SANDF to get k.illed trying to save animals ?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:52am On Aug 17, 2014
zaandrew: Yep. Difrince is your averge paching party is 3 maybe 4 guys who get in and out. They all so operating in eastern kruger park. There is nothing there no roads no nothing. We all so have under 1000 to patrol the area the size of israle. And we have been catching poachers but it is a hard battel. Rhino horn is worth more than gold so it is not hard for the poaching sydcits to hire more guns.

All so SA started hot puisuit not long ago. And zimbawe is the wrong country.


Any case if SA can get the law preventing legal horn sale passed we can flood the market in china and veitnam. Supply and demand will result in price dropping. Thus makeing poaching less profitbi.

But the key point is size BH run around in big numbers attacking populated areas with vechlies. Poachers are in small numbers, avoid people and move on foot. Witch is the one easyer to find?
Which one is easier? Go ask mighty Israeli military how easy it was to find the real Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

We have 30,000 troops spread over land mass of North East Nigeria bigger than the whole of Great Britain.

We have Boko Haram that spies on any town or any military base dressed as women covered head to toe in Islamic dress called hijab, if you ever seen one hijab full regalia before.

How do you track them? They are civilians in day time and Boko haram at night.

Spread 30,000 men over Britain and ask them to police every street and see the result you get.

I don't care what countries your Kruger park poachers escape to, they keep doing it again and again.

They invade your country from Mozambique and you can do NOTHING about it.

South Africa deployed your 'highly photographed' Special Forces military with helicopters in support, yet animal hunters overrun South Africa, and your Gripen jet nation of submarines has to remove all Rhinos from their habitat because you are defeated by the Poachers.

"We've got one Intelligence Tactical Regiment from Potchefstroom, which specialises in intelligence gathering. Special Forces and 21 Battallion, both in the park and on the borders," says Colonel Bobelo. The ground troops are supported by helicopters for a speedy chase of poachers. "The helicopters contribute a lot in terms of identifying areas where poachers are operating," he adds. Colonel Says that it became increasingly important to rope in the army when syndicates began using helicopters, night vision equipment and high-powered rifles in their expedition. The army is part of the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure."

SANDF special forces and 21 Battalion with air force support got defeated in ANC homeland republic...by bush animal hunters
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:02am On Aug 17, 2014
zaandrew: Facts remain. BH attacked a nigerian vilage, rounded up 100 people and loaded them on trucks, drove them out of town, used boats to cross in to chad. At no point did nigeria send forves to stop them.

Points remain. Nigeria atcks BH. BH gets away, hapens all the time.
Fact remains, poachers cut off Rhino horns inside South Africa, transport them past your SANDF men and helicopters plus rangers on patrol and guard duty, cross border into Zimbabwe and sell your Rhino horns without South Africa sending army, air force, or rangers to stop them.

Point remains Poachers get away, happens all the time
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:47am On Aug 17, 2014
zaandrew: When nigeria attacks BH is able to flee when chad attacks they rescue 100 kidnaped nigerians.

Maybe nigeria shoud go and train in chad, because letting the insurgets escape your attack means you waisting your own time.
No, dude, you got it all wrong.

Bokos kidnapped Nigerian civilians close to lake Chad border line and immediately used speed boats to carry them across lake water border into Chad. On landing in Chad, they unluckily fell into the hands of well armed and mobile Chadian army special COIN units.

Boko was caught immobile without vehicles, caught by surprise, out-numbered by Chadian soldiers and defeated.

Did your Soweto military academy teach you to study a battle before you comment? No !

Intelligence is a luxury most South Africans cannot afford cheesy cheesy

http://www.punchng.com/news/soldiers-free-boko-haram-captives/

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:30am On Aug 17, 2014
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[size=13pt]Nigerian army sweeps Doron Baga Town...Boko Haram Fighters Flee Into Chad

Entire Boko Haram Base Flushed Down The Toilet

http://defenceinfo.mil.ng/update-on-doron-baga-troops-clear-terrorists-camps-in-counter-offensive/[/size]

Israeli army will soon be in Nigeria to be trained by us in COIN warfare. Nigeria is the best COIN army in the world now !
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LiteratureRe: AVAST!( A Poem For Our Brave Young Frontline Soldiers)- Overhypedsteve. by agaugust:
overhypedsteve: At least someone with sense liked this poetic master piece. Wished i could even like it myself.
That poem got 50 likes in 24 hours ! Good job mister writer, university professors don't get that much likes for a poem in a day at UNILAG.

-Augustine

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