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CraigB: Your 98% failure rate army ran from Mali, only to be bliksemmed by Boko Haram. We are in the DRC.

You abandoned your comrades and no one can rely on you. We are out supporting our comrades.

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CraigB: Last time I checked, all we said was that we took out a machine gun nest.

all your south african army can do is to hunt after Rhinos poachers ata home, hunt after ordinary lone machine gun post abroad.

tiny 33% brained south africa army....your military history also shows 33% war success. Failed !!!

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CraigB: So according to you, bright spark, all the men deployed were involved in this one manoeuvre?

And is it google that says M23 has one man deployed?

You are an imbecíle.

I'm wasting my time talking to you. You've embarrassed yourself all day. I'd rather see a movie. You offer me nothing but rubbish.

prove your claims with sources

CraigB: You have listed none. So, please, list one. List two. List three. Simple. Don't make noise. If you have them, you must list them, and you can list them.

So, may we have you list now. Enough stories. Kills and sinks please. List them, you must!

We wait. Where are your kills and sinks?

the street riots south african army if fighting in congo DRC is NOT a war because it is civil strife against ordinary rebels.

also show me how many enemy jets your Gripen jets have shot down as air to air kills since all these months south africa landed there and deployed Gripen, Rooivalks etc.

show me those kills in Congo DRC, air to air and tank vs tank, show me how south african army have destroyed rebel battle tanks in congo

CraigB: Where does it say there where 2000 men against one man in a machine gun nest? Will you give us the link please. No stories.

go google the number of south african soldiers in congo DRC...dumbo

CraigB: You have not posted a single air-to-air combat kill. That alone cancels out everything related to that.

Now back to my question: why must armies leave the terrain that they find and seek out a jungle? Why?

You're on zol. Clearly.

Even I can see that there's no strategy in your statement. As a general, you'd be a disaster.

must all air forces list all their air to air combat lists one by one on a page for the world to see before they are said to be good pilots ? answer me.

must armies have zero casualties in a forest, mountain, and city close range hand to hand combat otherwise they will be said to have lost the war because they lost 15 soldiers in 6 months combat ? answer me .

must a full scale high level war be between two different contries before it can be categorized as a real war ? answer me.

i am waiting for answers to my few questions

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CraigB: Are you smoking dagga?

The question is: must armies leave a terrain that they find and go seek out a jungle? That is the question. I don't know what this other rubbish you are speaking about is.

The question is simple. Lay off the pipe and answer the question.

must all air forces list all their air to air combat lists one by one on a page for the world to see before they are said to be good pilots ? answer me.

must armies have zero casualties in a forest, mountain, and city close range hand to hand combat otherwise they will be said to have lost the war because they lost 15 soldiers in 6 months combat ? answer me .

must a full scale high level war be between two different contries before it can be categorized as a real war ? answer me.

drink from your own bottle now

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andrewza: The machin gun post was holding up the DRC army. Sa cleard it with zero cassulties.

2,000 south african soldiers boasting they defeated only 2 illiterate rebels of congo that manned a single lonely unprotected machine gun post. fools ! show me a real jungle fight you trained for under your new master/teacher Brazil

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CraigB: So armies must now seek out a specific terrain? Ok.

same way you ask for list of nigeria vs biafran air to air combat kills to be listed for you one by one...

same way you say boko haram defeated nigeria because 15 nigerian soldiers died

same way you say biafra war is no great war because it is a civil war

same way i say 2,000 south african soldiers in congo over-powering a 2-man single lonely machine gun post is NOT a war to boast about

show me 1,000 south african soldiers fighting 1,000 M23 rebels inside the thick jungle forest of congo DRC

10,000 nigerian army soldiers fought 50,0000 liberian rebels in the thick jungle forest of liberia and we won clear victory.

show me where south african army has done that in congo DRC

its good so give you a taste of your own medicine...it drives you i.nsane

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andrewza: The machin gun post was holding up the DRC army. Sa cleard it with zero cassulties.

seleka too can do that clearing of a single machine gun post. go inside jungle and fight 1,000 snipers camouflaged as leaves on tree-tops.

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andrewza: http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/08/26/sa-soldiers-on-offensive

South African soldiers engaged in running battles with M23 rebels in the Democratic Republic of Congo overran a rebel machine gun post at the weekend, halting the rebels' advance.

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According to Pikkie Greeff, national secretary of the SA Defence Union, the DRC troops were advancing on the M23 positions but came under heavy fire from a machine gun.

"There are only two ways you can take out a machine gun post - either by sniper or with a stick of men sneaking up to the position and taking it out," said Greeff.

"We do not know what they did but the South African soldiers took out the machine gun post."

South African soldiers are part of the UN's Monusco brigade, which has been assigned to take on the the M23 rebels. SANDF troops, who have been subjected to mortar fire since Friday, are holding positions around Goma.

"The rebels have been raining mortars on refugee camps around Goma and the UN forces have returned fire," he said.

Siphiwe Dlamini, spokesman for the Department of Defence, said the South African "force has been retaliating since the shelling of their positions began".

It has been reported that five civilians were killed in rebel mortar fire.

One South African soldier was wounded by shrapnel from a mortar shell but Dlamini said his injuries were not serious.

Monusco soldiers have joined government forces on the offensive against the rebels, Monusco spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Felix-Prosper Basse told the BBC.

"Fighting has entered a new phase: Monusco is now engaging the rebels together with the government forces," Basse said.

The BBC reported that two UN helicopters were involved in the latest operation, which was being backed by the Congolese army.

Monusco and the Congolese army are jointly attacking rebel positions in Kibati, about 15km north of Goma.

President Jacob Zuma said on Friday in parliament that 1345 SANDF troops, who form part of the 3000-strong Monusco brigade, were deployed in the DRC.

The brigade also includes troops from Tanzania and Malawi.

In March, 15 South African soldiers were killed and dozens wounded in clashes with the Seleka rebels in the Central African Republic.

that one is as simple as a police vs armed robbers combat. even seleka boys can take out a single lone standing helpless machine gun post

now, launch south african army full scale offensive and go fight M23 rebels inside thick jungles of congo, then you will know why britain called in 50,000 nigerian army men to fight japanese army in burma jungle...

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andrewza: south african rhino populastion is still the largest in the world (75 percent) and is not in decline even eith the poaching allmost 200 poachers have be captuerd all killed and with new laws and treats soon sa will be allowed to chase poachers accross the boader

hahhahaha so south africa cannot defeat ordinary Rhino poachers....and you said your navy wants to help stop sea piracy off the large west african coast...so stop talking about sea pirates in nigerian waters...go chase your kruger park rhino poachers first. pot calling kettle black

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CraigB: Yes - the losers of Naai-geria have lost their heritage. Now, they want to talk. Ignorant losers.

your own heritage is a Rhino...so you be animal in human skin ? now wonder all the garbage you write here

Mike..ZA:
Don't tell me about wars. Show me
confirmed combat kills.

i dont have it in a one by one list. the source i posted from globalsecurity.org says biafran war had air force combats. i wont look for history in a detail that was not recorded when i was not even born yet !

now show me Cuba's air force combat kills/experience before they shot down south african air force mirage jets as their first time shooting practice combat kills

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Mike..ZA:
"As of 24 October 2011, Gripens have
flown more than 650 combat missions, almost
2,000 flight hours and delivered approximately
2000 reconnaissance reports to NATO."

show me record of Sweden's air force Gripen jet kills the same way @Mike.ZA is asking me for nigeria's own too. nigerian air force too has flown thousands of combat missions from 1967 to 2013.

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andrewza: The block to umkonto has a 15km range. And it a soft ware upgrade that improved the how it flew. Aka they have a 15 km range.

And again have fun hiting anything from that hight.

[size=16pt]your answer is very wrong. toy soldier ! try again my boy [/size]

all you know is weapons copy and paste from DENEL website, you dont know real war/combat tactics . hahahaha

Mike..ZA:
I will do so. First provide me if what I asked you to do all day.

i gave you source of biafran war history .....whatever is on record. read it.

give me cuban war history source too, and balance the equation 50/50, i will take my time and read it to find the cuban combat kills myself

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andrewza: Only they can hit targets 15 km high. And have fun hiting any thing from that hight.

All so the umkonto is a 40G SAM with a a 5gen seeker head. Your jets are not going to survive it hell with the warhead size it does not even need to hit. A near miss will be enough.

south african valour frigates Umkhonto missile CANNOT hit any aircraft flying at 13km above sea level. FACT.

try again, solve this riddle, or else i will insult all south african military generals, admirals, and air marshals, i am warning you now o ! FACT !

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Mike..ZA:
Show us your combat kills. To prove Nigeria is capable of doing this rubbish you posted.

show me Sweden's air force Gripen Jet combat kills records/history to prove that Sweden can use their Gripen jets to k.ill a south african warship.

show me Cuba's history/records of air to air combat kills done anywhere before they used south african air force as first time target practice and shot down your south african air force Mirage jets in air to air combat.

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Mike..ZA:
Ok, Here's the thing Nigeria will never deploy all its fighters against a single target. Cause we know some of your jets are busy with the on going failing operation against BH. The Nigerian jets are obsolete and don't have any stealth features,so a Umkhonto missiles simultaneous defence firing will take out 16 jets. Which will be devastating for your country.

F-7 jet is a year 2008 and 3.5 Generation jet. all those other nigerian jets have just come back from full scale modernization and upgrades costing about $150 million, and Alpha jets are newly upgraded and specially configured for maritime/sea/naval combat.

the nigerian jets are 13km above sea level, the umkhonto missile cannot harm them. FACT !!!

its a big riddle all you south africans cannot solve since last month i posted it. please try again

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andrewza: When were SAAF aircraft flown by any body other than south africans and when where SAN ships saild by any body other than south african. I can show cases where south africans served on board britsh ships and RAAF squdrond but not the other way round.

"By the end of World War II, SAAF aircraft in conjunction with British and Dutch aircraft stationed in South Africa, had intercepted seventeen enemy ships, assisted in the rescue of 437 survivors of sunken ships and attacked 26 of the 36 enemy submarines that operated around the South African coast and had flown 15,000 coastal patrol sorties by August 1945."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Air_Force#World_War_II

the british and dutch military came from europe and helped south african military side by side. FACT !!!!

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Mike..ZA:
That's a combat kill.

Mig 21 vs Mirage F1 = Cat vs Lion = s.tupid example of professional air to air combat k.ill

Failed !!! please try again....

andrewza: Because it is a figmant of your imgnastion.

And cluster bombs? Ok sure if you want a soft kill they could maybe do the trick.

Because it is a d.eadly military anti-shipping tactic from professional jet fighter pilots with air to ground combat experience.

i sink your valour frigate from the air. naval blockade fails. south african navy is deleted. FACT !!!

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Mike..ZA:
South Africa's WW2 achievements include: Production of almost 6 000 armoured vehicles,30 000 logistics vehicles and 600 artillery guns. Munutions were also produced in vast quantities,including 700m rounds of .303 rifle ammunition,40% of what the allied forces' requirements. While Nigerians were carrying heavy equipment on their heads.

my post above proved the british and americans were using their own aircrafts, warships, and men all based in south african territory to lead, guide , and help you in world war II battles with the free weapons they gave you...if not for the british....germany would have deleted south africa from world map in world war II.

also, answer my riddle above...thats the military challenge you asked for...50 NAF jets vs SANDF valour frigate 16 Umkhonto missiles...solve it now !

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Mike..ZA:
I dare you to challenged Mike..ZA on any military topic.

50 nigerian air force Alpha jets, MBB-339 jets, L-29 Jets, and F-7 jets are flying overhead to carpet bomb and sink a south african navy Valour frigate warship with 250 cluster bombs while the 50 jets fly at 13km above sea level. the south african valour frigates fires 16 Umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles that have range of 15km but the missiles were NOT able to harm any of the nigerian jets when fired...why ?

thats a challenge above, solve the riddle now

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andrewza: Your officers were britsh, your gear was supplied by the britsh, they provided air support and there where a number of brith juggel war fare units causing mayem and destrucstion.

Now anserw my qustion.

the bullets that killed thousands of Japanese soldiers were fired from the rifles in the hands of nigerian soldiers in the Burma jungle....or you mean 100 british officers were personally pulling rifle triggers by holding the hands and fingers of 50,000 nigerian soldiers in the battlefield ? fool

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Mike..ZA:
1981-11-06 : F1CZs of 3 Squadron downed two
Angolan MiG-21s in 1981 and 1982. On 6
November 1981, during Operation Daisy, two
F1CZs were vectored by GCI to intercept two
MiG-21s heading south. Major Johan Rankin shot
down the wingman using cannons. On 5 October
1982, while escorting a Canberra of 12 Squadron
on a photo-reconnaissance sortie, Major Rankin
and his wingman engaged two MiG-21s on an
intercept course. He fired two Magic AAMs at one
of the MiGs, damaging the aircraft with the
second missile. The MiG was able to recover back
to base but sustained additional damage in a
belly landing. Rankin then attacked the second
MiG and destroyed it with cannon fire.

hahahaha Cuban Mig 21 jet is a year 1959 outdated jet fighter, South African Mirage F-1 jet is a far more modern 1973 jet fighter with a very wide 24 year technology gap and advantage over the Cuban jets it shot down....what a s.tupid comparison

me too i can use nigerian F-7 jet to shoot down a south african Impala jet now !

try another joke please

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andrewza: Please tell, where was the amrican and britsh help in the simking of u boats by SAN

please tell me where was the british help for nigerian army's about 50,000 soldiers who killed thousands of Japanese army men in Burma jungle battles of world war II

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andrewza: The war ended with a peace treaty in witch both SA and Cuba would withdraw. By the end of the war there wher 140 000 SADF solders in nambia to force home the point.

In a sence it ended in a draw for cuba and SA since both sides agreed to leave.

[size=16pt]thank you for confirming today that south africa has never won any war in its history [/size]

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Mike..ZA:
South Africa is the only African country that has ever sunk a sub marine(U boat).

....in world war II, 70 years ago ancient sea combat, and with american/british help too

please talk modern war of jets flying...at least a MiG-15 up to MiG-29 Jets.

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