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CraigB: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23816186

UN troops in the Democratic Republic of Congo have launched an offensive, shelling positions held by rebels near the eastern city of Goma.

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The UN was responding to shelling from M23 rebels on Goma on Thursday, a UN spokesman said. Congolese officials say five civilians in the city died.[/size]

A M23 spokesman told the BBC it had not attacked the city, blaming the army for provoking the fighting.

south african army is now part of a UN force that kills innocent civilians.

i am waiting for the south africans to post more about nigerian army anti-boko haram operations and civilain deaths in baga and bama towns.

now we are seeing the south african army's sh..i..t hole

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https://www.thescoopng.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Abubakar-Shekau-300x320.jpg

[size=16pt]Abubakar Shekau of Nigeria's Boko Haram 'may be dead'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23761048[/size]


"The intelligence report suggested that Shekau was shot on 30 June, when soldiers raided a Boko Haram base at Sambisa Forest in north-eastern Nigeria.

"Shekau was mortally wounded in the encounter and was sneaked into Amitchide - a border community in Cameroon for treatment... It is greatly believed that Shekau might have died between 25 July to 3 August 2013," Col Musa said."

andrewza: It shows 2 batches both mk1 so unless there was a 3rd batch I don't see it.

Niether sight is a source mearly a relay for a source. And I have seen many mistakes in army reconisnstion. By the way ISS showed the APR21 and SIRP does show the APR21 purches just incorect numbers.

Those boats will not end up on SIRP or ISS or any data base, maybe janes fighting ships has them. They small gun boats.

The numbers are corrected on ISS.

Type 90 are on ISS. Though just has 35mm towed AA. The fact is the firs 2 batches of otmat are reported so why would the 3rd be secriet.

SIPRI has zero record of APR-21 for nigeria, open your eyes when you read, only APR-40 is posted on SIPRI, but wikipedia reported both nigerian APR-21 and APR-40, i have proved my point that SIPRI is not master of all military information. fact !

copy and paste the IISS and JANES sources if you have seen it, stop posting things with no source prove your claims, i have complained about that enough. dont feed our minds with false stories.

NaijaPikinGidi: You finally accept the reality of Otomats in our arsenal? The last time you were talking and arguing crap about the range now you are talking of sailors? NNS Thunder must be auto-sailing to Australia? You keep showing your stupidity! We have more than enough manpower for every hardware and fighting craft in our inventory. What we have ... we use ... no cold storage!!

dont mind that @saengine buffoon, maybe his grandmother has witchcraft powers to wipe off the memory of other countries' military men so that they will forget how to fire their weapons when fighting south africa.

anyway, that soweto grandma's witchcraft failed to work on Seleka rebels, their AK-47 did not miss target..juju pass juju

https://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-17/central-african-republic-seleka-rebels-advance.jpg

andrewza: Your trust of wikpedia is wonderfull. SIPRI shows them to be block one.


And even if the the most modern version they still just a missil somthing that can be target and shot down. Not to menstion the valour is stealth. If countries like germany strugel to locat them how will NNS fare. Does not matter if the have a 1000000km range if you only locat them after you are all ready under fire.

SIPRI does not show all nigerian weapons in detail and even miss out many completely.

it shows Otomat was deleivered in two batches, one batch after Mk 1 was in market, and second batch after MK 2 was in market.

APR-21 mobile rocket launchers of nigerian army are missing on SIPRI and its on wikipedia and army recognition websites.

almost 300 nigerian navy modern in-shore fast attack and assault vessels of years 2008 to 2012 are missing on SIPRI database.

SBAT-70 towed rocket artillery of nigerian army is also missing on SIPRI.

25 of the 49 nigerian army palmaria mobile artillery armoured vehicles are missing on SIPRI, both beegeagle and myself told them to correct it they did not do so.

Type 90 anti-aircraft artillery of nigerian army is totally missing on SIPRI arms sales log....and many other weapons missing.

SIPRI org is not master of all knowlegde, they miss out things you find on Wikipedia.

go sit down men !

andrewza: Again does it matter where tey came from. SA has access to satlights a control stastion and every thing and takes regulaer pics. Now you want to brag about nigeria useing satlights built in other countries and act like nigeria build satlights. Please.

SA uses satlights builds satlights and I gave muiltpil sources.

even the poorest countries of the world pay other rich countries to use their satellites, that does not make it their own and that does not make them put 100 military officers into a foreign country's satellite station in time of war the way nigeria is doing.

you are just a big bag of Afrikaner fraudulence and dishonesty.

i hope you dont graduate from lying to stealing in future.

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this is your post on page 326 at 5:38am June 12, 2013.

andrewza: http://www.sunspace.co.za/home/

Funy how sa is still takings pics after 2010

You still have explianed how it works when it there is cloud cover.

i said south africa has no satellite as at this year 2013, you were twisting the story and lying, why did you not say yes Augustine you are right ? where is your moral uprightness, honesty, and integrity ? you threw away all that just because you want to win an argument on nairaland ?

why were you deliberately mis-informing people when you know the truth ? why ?

i will never trust any south african again in my life....white, black, or coloured !

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andrewza: I point out SA uses satlights, showed a source to back it up. Does it matter where it was made. Non of nigerias satlights were made in nigeria. At least we built home grown satlights. So no I did not lie.

dont think we are fools here that you can dribble like babies. i told you then that even Ghana takes satellite photos using nigerian satellite paid for as a service. you knew south africa was paying some country for those photos using other nations satellite services.

i showed you source of 100 nigerian military officers with MSc and Phd degrees working everyday in nigerian satellite stations for military spy use by nigeria.

south africa has no military use satellite, and you knew it but denied the fact, because you know it means great military superiority of nigeria over south african blind bat military forces that cannot see enemy coming against them from long distance.

you are a big time liar @andrewza, you lost yout credibility on this forum because you tell lies too much.

you lied, and said south africa has a satellite and that photos where taken by it. the whole of this forum knows you told a big lie deliberately despite all sources posted to prove you were lying...until @msauza mistakenly posted the true comment that south africa has NO satellite

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andrewza: Has for the ottomat. It is old and of no threat not to menstion the version nigeria purchsed was with out the data link so no the rang is about the same of a exocetMK40 blok 2 of SA. Only it is bigger thuse easy to pick up on radar and easyer to hit.

Nigerian navy has Otomat Mk 2 Block I, and its range is 180km, while NNS ARADU fire control radar range is 120km which is the point up to which Otomat missile does NOT need datalink guidance.

i hate repeating posts, i proved that already, dont let me insult you again, fool !





QUOTES :

"Otomat Mk 2 Block I : first model with data-link, 180 km range"

"Nigerian Navy MEKO 360H1 class frigate : Otomat Mk2 "

"Finally, over 120 km is where the need for a long range weapon, external targeting platforms and data-linked updates come into play"

"All in all, this missile was and is a very powerful weapon. Without helicopter provided mid-course guidance (especially in presence of enemy fighters), this weapon is still capable of striking well over the horizon"

"In terms of technology and operability, this missile presents a very powerful anti-ship weapon and perhaps the most powerful of all modern western anti-ship missiles"

SOURCE :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

nigerian navy NNS ARADU Otomat missiles will sink the whole south african navy. FACT !



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andrewza: There is a difrence between sailing and operating a SSM. And techncaly a modern ship does have auto pilot. Though most navies shy away from the use of it.


Has for the ottomat. It is old and of no threat not to menstion the version nigeria purchsed was with out the data link so no the rang is about the same of a exocetMK40 blok 2 of SA. Only it is bigger thuse easy to pick up on radar and easyer to hit.


All so NNS thunder is the ex USCG boat where NNSardu is a german Meko boat

every other African country's weapon is not a threat to south africa only according to you.

it took almost 500 pages of this thread to make you agree that Egypt is the strongest military in africa and NOT South Africa.

main reason i joined this forum is to stop you south africans from mis-informing innocent people about military stuff.

it was you that told lies here consistently for many days fraudulently claiming that south africa has a satellite despite clear sources posted to prove that south africa has no satellite....you are an unrepentant serial liar.

sharaaap !!!!

saengine: Showed you the source. You refused to believe it. Denel engineers don't need to specify details just to make you happy. Denel states Umkhonto is a surface to air, and self defence missile. It's superior, world class fire control system doesn't have to prove itself to you. World 1st missile, with superior technology.

Done. Discussion over.

who will believe you ? nobody.

even nigerian army's 1985 Roland anti-aircraft missile shoots down missiles that come as air threat, not sea surface hugging threats. dont mix oil and water mister !

DENEL has not changed military warfare tactics for the whole world. all DENEL does is to market its products to make money, DENEL fights no wars.

same way you insisted i show show the specific fire control radar range of NNS ARADU with source before you believe that Otomat will fly 120km from ARADU, and i have proved it with source, same way you must show me a source that says umkhonto missile is tested against high speed sea skimming anti-ship missiles successfully, if not, stop talking rubbish on this forum and go home tell lies to your little sons, this is an intellectual adult forum. FACT !

show me that specific source....south african navy warships are already at the bottom of atlantic ocean, your valour frigates are roasted suya meat style

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saengine: Tell me what I was saying about the range. Let's see if you even know what I said.

Keep talking about your favourite topics of education and aids, and I'll stick to mine.....the actual topic of this forum. Not about to waste time on you.

@Naijapikingidi h.it you so hard.... y.our nose bleeds

swanky@vodamail:
No you miss the point we will destroy your NNs ship before they can fire even one of its otomat missile with. Our subs

fool, go back and read my naval blockade simulation on page 236, NNS ARADU is safe in the harbour behind a decoy/camouflage line of cargo ships, no submarine will find her, unless your submarine will fly out the ocean and work as a temporary aircraft with wings of british airways. fool

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saengine: They wont get past Umkhonto SAM. Infact they wont even leave your ship, since non of your current sailors
know how to fire them.

Argument over. Finished.

dont let us repeat old posts, there is no source in the whole world that says anti-aircraft missiles like umkhonto are also anti-missile missiles specifically designed to intercept sea hugging anti-ship missiles.

dont create military combat that looks like kiddies video games you bought for your 5 year old son

notice @andrewza could not argue that fact and he is avoiding this topic because he knows the truth.

the only defence valour frigate has against a sea skimming anti-ship missile is the 35mm CIWS DENEL gun, and it has only one.

show me a source that says anti-aircraft missiles also work as interceptors of sea skimming anti-ship missiles, show me, fool

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Msauza: Bwahahahahaha!!! My salary is R28 000 a month equivalent to N560 000 which probably is equal to Jonathan's salary.

how can we even be sure that you truly have a job and earn a salary ?..you tell lies a lot, we know you

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saengine: The 2nd hand scrap metal heap the U.S donated to you? Yes I saw it

NNS ARADU's world's most powerful Otomat anti-ship missiles will sink that your south african Valour frigate from a far away distance of 120km. fool, your soweto sailors will sink into Hades and their souls will wine and dine with demons after death

40 nigerian navy Otomat missiles, 10 missiles against each south african navy valour frigate...we r.oast your navy like suya and onions

https://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4561/01nu31.jpg

Msauza: It is still amazing how poor our education is when thousands of Nigerians live their shores from all the best universities in the world to relocate to SA and have their own share of poor quality education.

nigerians keep coming into your south African schools to score 83% in the same classroom exams where you south africans are scoring 33% in your homelands. get it ?

NaijaPikinGidi: You can make Nigerians the scapegoats of the obvious and revalidated fact (by the link you provided) that South Africans are lazy, brainless, and despicably of low (33%) brain capacity! They want certificates yet they do not want to spend 12 years earning a valid high school qualification. The law of economics is simple ... where there is demand there must be supply! Your lazy kith and kin want a job so desperately yet they fail to get qualified ... and those two silly but sharp Nigerians have unknowingly helped to reveal what the World Economic Forum Global Information technology Report FY2013 has pointed out ... SA has one of the weakest educational systems in the World. South Africans think they can buy a brain with R2000? Anyways try some other argument! SA is bottom four in world education to be specific!

I am reposting again for your benefit:


I wonder when the word "broken" began to have different meanings based on "standards". It that case since our educational standards in Nigeria are far higher than what you have in South Africa ... we must then add "totally broken" to Sizwe's article or Bekezela Phakathi's report for total impact! You claim South Africans don't have to do foundation courses, yet less than two (2%) percent of South African applicants ever qualify to enrol in UK Universities.

To a dull CraigB, a very crisp and succinct article is long-winded when it is loaded with truths like this one:

"The World Economic Forum Global Information Technology report, released this year, ranked the quality of South Africa’s education system 140th out of 144 countries. It ranked SA’s maths and science education second last in the world — ahead only of Yemen."

Excerpts from : Outsourcing plan proposed for SA’s public schools by Bekezela Phakathi.
http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/education/2013/08/07/outsourcing-plan-proposed-for-sas-public-schools

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Therefore readers (Nigerian and South African) please find the complete World Economic Forum Global Information Technology Report 2013 here: http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_GITR_Report_2013.pdf

Waste no time when report is fully downloaded ... go to:

page 324 refer to Table 5.01 Quality of Educational System
page 325 refer to Table 5.02 Quality of Math and Science Education

I leave the rest to your thoughts and analysis!!



Blame Nigerians all you want ... your certificates are worth nothing actually!

difference between a nigerian and a south african :


if you want south africans to run away from this forum, bring up stuff about mathematics and sciences, the mandela boys will run away so fast you will think it is Seleka rebels chasing them .

https://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/vtorous/vtorous0905/vtorous090500010/4827770-mathematics-background.jpg

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AwodwaGyanOniwe: In CAPE TOWN, IMIZAMO YETHU TOWNSHIP
DISA PRIMARY SCHOOL.

oh yes, that computer is being used to upgrade her 33% south african brain up to 39% maximum soweto capacity

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Msauza: South Africa has better resourced schools with better laboratories than Nigeria. That's a fact!! We can afford to hire the best teachers around to come specially to teach our children

...you hired nigerian teachers to teach south africans mathematics and science in your own country. do you want me to repeat that post the 7th time here ?

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Msauza: What is it that is more special about your education than our 33.3% pass system? You education system is a rot and we all know that your poorly paid teachers can simply be bribed to give distinctions to where it is not due. You civil servants are poorly remunerated because your country is damned poor bra, live with it.

There is nothing we fear about your filthy education, because I used to school with many Nigerians who subsequently dropped out because they couldn't cope with SA high standard of education. They even went as far as faking our qualifications because it was not easy to achieve them as it was it Nigeria.

Nigerians faking matric certificates in South Africa arrested.

http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/c033558049318b2aa178ed0f1468ba5f/Fake-matric-certificate-suspects-denied-bail-20111125

2 nigerians out of 250,000 nigerians.

do some maths, calculate that as a percentage and tell us the answer in one sig fig (if you know what that terminology means)

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Msauza: If we do the same to your fellow country men then it becomes a problem. Ghanaians went back and built Ghana to what it is today, the fastest growing economy in Africa.

if south africa expels 250,000 nigerians we wont feel one pinch, many of those nigerians will just head for Europe, then we too will expel MTN and you lose 50 million customers. we expel SASOL and you lose the multi-billion dollar oil and gas business. Jacob Zuma will run to Abuja and beg Goodluck Jonathan saying that it was the devil that pushed him in Pretoria.

you think nigeria is Togo or Congo ? its hard to fight a giant.

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Msauza: If we do the same to your fellow country men then it becomes a problem. Ghanaians went back and built Ghana to what it is today, the fastest growing economy in Africa. Not for long they will be ruling the whole of west Africa and returned back that favour once hungry Nigerians start to flog in their territory. Watch this space!!!

compare nigeria vs ghana...GDP, Dollar cash reserve, Mineral wealth reserve, Market size, Foreign direct investments, etc.

after that, go kiss the nearest housefly

Die*Vluit:
We talk about universal leaders. Small minds talk about Ghana's dance. Small minds have nothing to show. Ghana does not need a dance to be recognised. Just like I said: small minds celebrate small things. Things like dance. It's because of the legacy they were given. The legacy of the absence of light.

...but your small posts and the small micro-sense in it, shows you are the one that really has a small mind.

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collynzo2: What makes big news headlines about Sub-Sahara Africa is of great interest to western media and western powers that have political interests to protect on the African continent. For the past couple weeks the western media has been making Nelson Mandela into a political saint. And while writers and television commentators were giving all the praises and well wishes to ailing Mandela, Rwanda-backed Tutsi rebels were terrorizing Congolese villagers inside the Democratic Republic of Congo. Thousands of villagers had to seek refuge across the border in neighboring Uganda. And while most television viewers in the western world are familiar with the name Nelson Mandela, they do not know who President Paul Kagame of Rwanda is and what role he is playing in the destabilization of the Congo, even though they might have seen the document “The Rwanda Genocide.” But they are not politically conscious about what is going in most black African countries. They have no idea of why some Congolese villagers are being terrorized by armed men and who is supplying these armed men with the weapons. However, they know that Nelson Mandela is ill and he is getting very good medical treatment from top medical doctors in South Africa. Just recently there was a war of words between Tanzania and Rwanda over the M23 Tutsi rebels’ invasion of Eastern Congo. The Tanzanian leadership has threatened to strike Rwanda for its military support given to the rebels that keep crossing from Rwanda into the Congo and committing crimes against humanity. In addition, the United States president keeps warning the Rwandan dictator Paul Kagame about his role in the
Congo but, based on the western media interest, the ailing Nelson Mandela is of more interest than the suffering people in Eastern Congo. In this big global village we are living in, everybody has a right to give their opinion and say what and how they feel about things that are of interest to them. However, I think that the social and political situation in South Africa since the ANC came to power has not changed in the interest of black people. The ANC government has done very little to empower the suffering black population, but it seems as though the powerful western media is more interested in trying to make Mr Mandela a political saint, because the ANC regime is not interested in making political changes that will affect those big mining companies that are exploiting workers since the days of the apartheid system. The ANC has disbanded its original manifesto and, most likely, behind the scenes the ANC leadership must have bargained some kind of political deal with the former leaders of the racist apartheid system, whereby the ANC will become the ruling elected party with black leadership but they will not interfere with the economic power base established
under the old apartheid system. Unfortunately, it seems as though the media promotion of Mr. Mandela as a god forgiving person has captured the minds of millions of black people globally. Now that Mr. Mandela is very old and sick, there is great concern that his departure from this life will create tension within the ruling ANC. The black political elite that are benefiting from this present ANC regime are scared that other members within the party ranks might want to make some social and political changes in the interest of the majority of suffering poor uneducated black population, who still live in some of the most miserable living conditions, worse than their African brothers and sisters in Brazil ghettos. In addition, some people believe that out of evil come good things in the future but in the case of what is going on in most parts of Africa, especially in South Africa and the Democratic Republic of Congo, it seems as though out of good comes evil. The rich natural resources in those two countries attract envious business people and powerful political leaders across the globe and, due to that enviousness by outside forces, the citizens of those two countries are suffering. Their human values are not respected because they are living on lands that are rich in natural resources. And as we are seeing presently on the television news reports, Congolese citizens are running away from their homes and villages because armed bandits from a neighboring country keep invading their lands, and stealing the rich natural resources in the interest of some big foreign companies, while the United Nations is doing very little to stop the crisis. In South Africa, the situation is almost the same as in the Congo, even though there is no foreign military invasion terrorizing the masses of South African people. However, the power structure that Mr Mandela and his ANC party inherited from the apartheid system still remains the same. The predominately black ANC government is just a group of politicians with darker skin color

wow ! so the black ANC political class is busy R.aping all south africans economically, while Zuma does it physically.

dog eat dog. chop clean mouth.

AwodwaGyanOniwe: Yes ooooooooooo, DOG EATER.

Look at him in full SA kit.

He speaks Twi/Chwi, Sesotho,Zulu and Xhosa, English like me.

Kwasia

oh ! sorry, i didnt know you mean Kofi, your fellow Ghanaian economic refugee in south africa

birds of the same dirty feather...fly together

collynzo2: When people refuse to see beyond their noses, they immerse themselves in their self generated hype. They said it's only Nigerians who don't see Mandela as an African hero, but this Zambian said he isn't even a regional (Southern African) hero and that is a fact!



"When people refuse to see beyond their noses, they immerse themselves in their self generated hype. They said it's only Nigerians who don't see Mandela as an African hero, but this Zambian said he isn't even a regional (Souther African) hero and that is a fact!
Africa must decide who is a hero and who is not. So far, the outside world decides for Africa just like they have pushed the Coca Cola brand toeven represent every other cool drink there is on the market.
Without taking away anything from the ailing former South African president Nelson Mandela, Africa should reflect on other leaders who sacrificed their careers and people for the regional democracy and independence.
Mandela is a hero of course, but can he be more a hero than the people who fought for his release? Yes, the whole of Africa stood by Mandela with the then Frontline States making a lot of noise about his release.
Take Kenneth Kaunda for example. He put his country’s development and the lives of his people on the line just to help southern African countries attain independence.
Mozambican, Angolan, Namibian, Zimbabwean and South African refugees and freedom fighters sought refuge in Zambia where the Rhodesian and apartheid governments would send planes to bomb from time to time.
So where does Africa place Kaunda who obviously saved the lives of many people? Why does Africa not celebrate Kaunda for the help he offered to the region’s independence?
At one time Kaunda fell ill and was stuck in a Windhoek hospital, yet that news was never run on front pages but found itself buried deep in the stomach of the papers.
But when Mandela falls ill, every paper across the world scrambles to get the story.
If at all, isn’t a hero a person who fights for human rights; a person who sacrifices everything for the benefit of others; a person who fights injustice; a person whose life is surrendered for other?
This is what Mandela did but Kaunda did more than just sitting in jail for 27 years but actively fought for the region against apartheid South Africa for the independence of Namibia and South Africa; against the Rhodesian regime for the independence of Zimbabwe; against the Portuguese for the independence of Mozambique and Angola.
If we want to play the numbers’ game, how many lives did Kaunda save and how many did Mandela save? And why does Africa especially southern Africa ignore the man who gave everything for them?
If one fights for the end of oppression, isn’t that person fighting for peace; for human rights; for justice; for fairness?
So is Kaunda not a hero; an international icon and a statesman?
Isn’t that person a suitable candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize which the US president Barack Obama won despite his government still prowling the killing fields in Afghanistan, Iraq and many other parts of the world?
What about Julius Nyerere? He too like Kaunda stood by the continent giving space to people running away from their countries.
He fought for the betterment of others even at the expense of his own country and people.
Without the likes of Nyerere, southern African countries would not have realised the independence dream. Just like Kaunda, Nyerere put
the lives of his people on line because the apartheid
regime would fly its squadrons across the borders just to massacre refuges in Tanzania.
So isn’t Nyerere a hero? Isn’t he a statesman; a freedom fighter; a human rights defender; and an international icon?
Didn’t Kaunda and Nyerere fight for democracy if at all democracy is the key word in defining heroes?
And how does Africa define the late Mozambican president Samora Machel who also opened up his country for revolutionary movements from the then
Rhodesia and SA? Did he not fight for democracy? And just why does he not qualify to be a continental hero?
While Kaunda, Nyerere and Samora fought for the independence and the human rights for millions of people in the region, their contribution is not recognised.
Kaunda’s sacrifices
In a 2001 report titled ‘Zambia Against Apartheid’ compiled by and the Justice Centre for Theological Reflection (JCTR) estimates the cost of southern Africa’s war on Zambia at US$19b.
Of this figure, US$5,34b was incurred fighting apartheid alone. The report notes that 2010 figures ‘should be higher’. “Support for liberation of Zimbabwe and others contributed to Zambia going into debt and through harsh IMF and World Bank debt conditions, staying in debt. “And some forces that for gain supported racist regimes have come through other windows and are getting facilities and resources built by Zambia during the liberation. “In April 1994, when apartheid South Africa changed and Nelson Mandela became president, Africa’s liberation sights were reached. But for Zambia, there were no organised international or local processes of healing from Southern Africa’s war of liberation,” the report further says.
In an interview with Harry Kreisler, Executive Director of UC Berkeley’s Institute of International Studies and Executive Producer of Conversations with History, Dr Kaunda admits this fact: “We opened our doors and all liberation movements moved from Tanzania to Zambia. That meant being bombed from time to time by South African war planes.
“Zimbabwe, Southern Rhodesia in those days, the Portuguese in Angola, the Portuguese in Mozambique, the settlers in Namibia, all these were now attacking Zambia because they wanted us to fear that accommodating liberation movements meant being bombed, bridges being destroyed; you build, they will bomb them again, and so on. “Oil places, where you hide your oil, they come and bomb and destroy those. This is what life then was, but it was something we had to do. When God says, ‘Love they neighbor as thyself’ and ‘Do unto others as you’d have them do unto you’ there’s no choice there, if you understood that. We understood that, we accepted it, we worked together.” Dr Kaunda further says his desire and that of the people of Zambia was to see other countries free from ‘people
who did not believe that people of all races were God’s children’. “We were not fighting for independence of Zambia; we were also very much concerned with seeing to it that our neighbours in that region were becoming independent. “Angola, west of us; Mozambique, west of us; Zimbabwe, south of us; South West Africa (Namibia) and of course, South Africa itself . . .” he said.
Considering all this, how honestly can people say Kaunda ran down the Zambian economy?
Nelson Mandela the terrorist
While Kaunda was fighting for the freedom and democratic rights of millions of people, the US and UK had placed Mandela on their terrorist list despite that he was fighting against apartheid.
It only emerged last week that the raid by the apartheid regime 50 years ago on Mandela’s hideout at Liliesleaf farm was engineered by the British.
According to Denis Goldberg, a white communist who was a bomb maker and ended up detained together with Mandela, a British intelligence agent posed as a birdwatcher while spying on Mandela and his comrades.
Goldberg also said the British supplied the apartheid police information resulting in the raid carried out on 11 July 1963.
"We believe that there was a British intelligence agent in the nearby caravan park. Everyone thought he was a birdwatcher because he would climb up a telegraph pole with binoculars every day. But I think we were the birds he was watching,” Goldberg said during the 50th celebration of the raid.
It was because of the British intelligence that Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years and ironically it’s the British today who have become Mandela’s biggest worshippers.
On their part, the Americans wasted no time in place
Mandela on their terrorist list until 2008 – seven years after South Africa’s independence.
This action by both the UK and the USA meant that they supported apartheid even though the United Nations had sanctioned the regime.
It was because of this support for apartheid which, in the eyes of the west, does not see and make Kaunda, Nyerere and Machel heroes because they fought against the very system the two sought to prop up.
Lame excuses and reasons
So far two arguments have been forwarded as to why Mandela is an international icon; that he did not stay long in power and that he forgave the people who wasted his 27 years in jail.
The reality is that Mandela would not come out a belligerent man because his release was negotiated and there is no doubt that one condition was reconciliation and forgiveness.
In any case, nowhere in the region did a black government chase out whites after attaining independence. After a protracted war, Zimbabwe’s independence was negotiated so was Namibia’s and no white man was chased out.
Second, most people say Kaunda presided over a one-party state. But the political atmosphere then demanded that model which was borrowed from the then Soviet Union. Every country in the region from Kamuzu Banda’s Malawi down to apartheid South Africa was a virtual one-party state in accordance to the Cold War Era."

hahhahaha ....truth is a bitter pill to swallow in soweto

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chris365: i've been begging them for months now to give me achievements of their military and the only achievement they have is that their soldiers are in DRC shinning their boots and f*cking prostitutes about. no shots fired since the expiration given by the intervention force for M23 to lay down their arms passed. what a joke they call military

south africa has an army of soldiers unique in the whole world because they fear death but love collecting monthly salary for doing NO good job !


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