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Mike..ZA:
The late Lt Gen Deon Ferreira (a colonel at the
time and SADF force commander in South East
Angola) was quoted in the Paratus (SADF
publication) of March 1989 after the Lomba Battle
as follows:
"If defeat for South Africa meant the loss of 31
men, three tanks, five armoured vehicles and
three aircraft, then we'd lost. If victory for Fapla
and the Cubans meant the loss of 4,600 men, 94
tanks, 100 armoured vehicles, 9 aircraft and
other Soviet equiptment valued at more than a
billion Rands, then they'd won."

...tiny Cuba defeated South Africa in war. your soweto nation has NEVER won any war in its modern history from 1940 to 2013 Seleka combat. FACT !!!!

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Mike..ZA:
The late Lt Gen Deon Ferreira (a colonel at the
time and SADF force commander in South East
Angola) was quoted in the Paratus (SADF
publication) of March 1989 after the Lomba Battle
as follows:
"If defeat for South Africa meant the loss of 31
men, three tanks, five armoured vehicles and
three aircraft, then we'd lost. If victory for Fapla
and the Cubans meant the loss of 4,600 men, 94
tanks, 100 armoured vehicles, 9 aircraft and
other Soviet equiptment valued at more than a
billion Rands, then they'd won."

the grandfather of Seleka war propaganda...impossible kill ratio 1:161

tiny Cuba defeated 'big' South Africa in military battle. FACT !!!!!

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CraigB: Therefore, you have no sinks. Ok, thanks.

Next. Air-to-air combat kills, please.

fool, you dont need a submarine to sink a ship....big time fool, you are on the wrong thread

Mike..ZA:
Again don't tell me about small skirmishes Nigeria was involved in. Show me confirmed combat kills from Submarine etc

the biggest Naval battle ever fought in Africa is that of Nigerian Biafran war.

NO submarine war has ever been fought in all African history...fool, real fool

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Mike..ZA:
The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and
have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed
on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy,
including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the
G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during
the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological
booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst
others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at
Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by
the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation
Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive
against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo.
The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale
and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue
and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large
logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about
18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was
broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy
in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban
and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within
one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and
the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG
jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs
were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random
in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air
situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation
was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to
those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the
artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making
observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by
UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush
fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air.
During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5
projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations
launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a
counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation
Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During
this
period two G5 batteries were employed,
playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the
HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great
effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the
opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this
way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were
good
that the tank concerned would be disabled.
The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took
place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.
(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible
owing
to its long range and the convenient top
traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was
not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was
also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage
owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as
the
prime target. One of the factors causing the
MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration
of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as
even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels
but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the
field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to
be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor.
The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in
the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the
inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were
destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June
1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in
December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the
rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as
the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to
be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles

[size=16pt]dont repeat that your useless post again, Cuba defeated South africa in battle. Fact [/size]

CraigB: No one wants to read about a civil war. Don't waste our time.

he asked for it, i gave him, full detailed neutral source. mind your own business

Mike..ZA:
Show me confirmed combat kills Mr. Cause if your military can't confirm kills it shows,your armed forces are an "ill organised boys". And yeah!! Sangomas are better compared to men dancing with wild hyenas,snakes,turtles and monkeys. Back again Stop posting nonsense and show me how many aerial,MBT etc combat kills your have your forces. NIGERIA LACKS EXPERIANCE of joint operations meaning your country can't invade another well organised and equipped country.

you have time to read war history details about Biafra war ? land to land, air to sea, air to air, air to ground combats ? yes, read this...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/SMR.htm

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Mike..ZA:
Did you know: The GV5 artillery system can reach a speed of 16km/h? This gun was used to destroy airfields and destroyed four enemy MIGs.

...the artillery could not win the war for south africa, Cuba defeated you in a major battle, your army was encircled, your pretoria president called for peace negotiation immediately...Cuba, that tiny Cuba defeated south afrian military

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Cuba considerably reinforced its troops in Angola and came to the defence of the besieged FAPLA; the South African advance was stopped at the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale. The bulk of the Cuban forces advanced towards Namibia further to the west, threatening to cut off the SADF-Forces remaining at Cuito. On 27 June 1988, Cuban MiG-23 fighters bombed the Calueque hydro-electric complex at 16.7367°S 14.9669°E, disabling it and killing 12 SADF soldiers.

The stalemate at Cuito and the death toll and vulnerability to Cuban MiGs was viewed with apprehension by the SADF and may have had some bearing on the fact that a peace accord was agreed soon afterwards.

United Nations-mediated negotiations took place with the aim of achieving peace in and independence for South-West Africa/Namibia and the South African ground troops completed their withdrawal from Angola on 30 August 1988 before the negotiations were concluded."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Border_War

Mike..ZA:
Show me confirmed combat kills. Not a bunch of rubbish posts like the one above.

all the about 100 aircraft/jet fighters, half a million soldiers, many hundreds of tanks, APC, artillery, frigate warships, etc they were not killing each other, they were all doing beer drinking party all through the Biafran war, a beer drinking party in which 100,000 soldiers died ! fool soweto born fool

go confirm the Biafra war combat kills by looking into a soweto sangoma's spy balloon crystal ball...first class fool



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Mike..ZA:
We all know Nigeria didn't have any air force during that country's civil war,they hired Egyptian to fly sorties for them. In fact it was a war of mercinaries. Nigeria should be ranked 4th,cause they have no experience whatsoever.

the 500,000 soldiers were all nigerians, except about 8 Biafran hired european mercenaries and about 10 nigerian hired soviet/egyptian/etc mercenary pilots.

all infantry/armoured/artillery men were 100% nigerians

all navy sailors were 100% nigerian

all airforce pilots were 99% nigerian.

nigerian air force pilots piloted all our helicopters and transport/ recce aircraft. newly recruited nigerian air force pilots were trained in Russia in 1967 immediately after the war started, we took over the combat flight of most of our Mig 17 and Il-28 jets from 1968 to 1970, the mercenary pilots were used alone ONLY at the beginning of the war to match Biafra's air superiority sincee nigeria had no combat jets when the war broke out.

after about 6 months training, nigerians were flying MOST of our jet fighters in air to air and air to ground combat with biafra. nigerian air force pilots flew jets in combat, from 1968 to 1970, flying most of our MiG-15, MiG-17, MiG-19, Ilyushi-28, L-29 Delfin, all are Jet fighters and Jet bombers.

you dont know war history, i keep educating you daily....say thank you my boy



"Other MiG-17 users

Twenty countries flew MiG-17s. The MiG-17 became a standard fighter in all Warsaw Pact countries in the late 1950s and early 1960s.

At least 24 of them served with the Nigerian Air Force and were flown by a mixed group of local Nigerian and mercenary pilots from East Germany, Soviet Union, South Africa, the United Kingdom, and Australia during the 1967-70 Nigerian Civil War"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-17

here is are some of the many nigerian air force pilots in the Biafra war, most nigerian pilots were trained to fly 5 or more different types of aircrafts/jets at the same time...dont mess around with nigeria ! we are the best black brains in the whole world :

The emergence of Air Vice Marshal John Nmadu Yisa-Doko can be said to have signalled the maturation of the NAF.

He enrolled into the NAF as a cadet in 1962 and was one of the pioneer officer cadets sent to the Imperial Ethiopian Air Force for pilot training between 1962 and 1964. On return from Ethiopia, he was commissioned as a Second Lieutenant in 1964. His other military service training include: Advanced Flying Training (German Air Force), 1965; Type Rating (5 NAF aircraft types), Kaduna 1965-1970;

When Air Marshal Ibrahim Mahmud Alfa joined the NAF, little did he know that he was to later become the first NAF officer to attain the highly esteemed rank of Air Marshal.

At the outbreak of the Civil War, he commanded the NAF Detachment at Benin. He attended the MiG 15 and MiG 17 Conversion Course at Dakar in the then Soviet Union (USSR) in August 1967.

i wont go further to post more of nigerian civil war pilots like air marshal A.D Bello who was the best pilot in the American air force academy he got trained for the Biafran war, he beat all the white american pilots in the american military academy.

south africans, dont you mess around with nigerian military men ! FACT !

http://www.nigerianairforce.net/nigerianairforce/PastChiefs/AVMYisa-Doko.aspx




small skirmish ? Biafran war is rated by international military analysts as HIGH LEVEL FULL SCALE CIVIL WAR

SOURCE http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/biafra.htm

if biafra war, largest in african history, is a small skirmish, then south africa vs cuba bush war is just a riot of some angry men


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chris365: typical south african.. your behind gets exposed you start to compare Nigeria to SA

Nigeria was never a place for rhinos. so whats your point exactly

maybe some poachers have dis-organized his brain with rifle butt during kruger patrol

zaandrew:
If kenya looses 600 rhionos they looses there entire rhino populastion

So yes we doing better that any other country.

same way Nigerian F-7 jet is better than the air forces of 40 other african countries

can we also begin to compare Nigeria with Togo republic and praise ourselves too ?

zaandrew: that is 367 more rhinos than nigeria has

nigeria is not a natural Rhino habitat and never was, we hardly ever had them live in our hot climate....average temprature 35 degrees annually.

nigeria has more of two horned mammals, not single horned animals, dude !

please dont join nigeria's name with your south african failure....we rank above your bald heads

CraigB: The case has been closed. Too late.

Your fellow monkey has already killed your argument.

that de-horned Rhino in the photo is probably wiser than you, it took a rifle carrying poacher to de-horn him, for you, a single zulu anti-white mugger with machete is more than enough

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chris365: hmm! i see why your boars quickly surrendered south africa to those they labelled terrorists . a civil war would have destroyed you.

glad to see you are angry that Nigeria survived the deadliest civil war in africa which would have turned SA to somalia

5,000 niger delta militants alone will paralyze south africa...pretoria has a plastic backbone

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CraigB:
the poachers are not winning.

https://www.projectrhinokzn.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SA-poaching-stats-2000-2011.jpg

zaandrew: We not talking about your civil war.

Nigeria vs Biafra war remains the biggest and d.eadliest war in African history till today....100,000 soldiers died. fact

http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/biafra.htm


Navy Frigate NNS Nigeria, attacked by Biafran air force B-26 aircraft in 1968, survived and led 3rd marine commando attack on Biafran soil in the biggest marine/amphibious sea to land army/navy/air force battle in all African history till today. FACT !

https://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/391135_10150517512037790_642228228_n.jpg

zaandrew: We not talking about your civil war. You lost that war by the way.

trying to manufacture you, did your father and mother do the 'thing' on a bed where a mad man had slept the previous night ?

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Mike..ZA:
Show me any MBT,Air to air,counter batter,sub marine and howitzer combat kills. Don't tell me about the small scale wars Nigeria,show us the KILLS MR.

Yes nigeria has war experience with howitzers/artillery guns, frigates warships NNS Nigeria/Obuma, Mig 17 jet Vs B26 Invaders, T-55 battle tanks Vs light tanks, many APC's, Bofors anti-aircraft guns against enemy air force attacks and 500,000 soldiers in combat on both sides in one single war, the biggest war ever on African soil till today.

Nigeria Vs Biafra war was a large scale-full scale war according to international standards and reports. educate yourself today :

III. Conflict Aspects

9. Type of Conflict

CIVIL WAR

10. Level of Conflict

HIGH: full-scale civil war

http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/biafra.htm

go kiss your newly de-horned Rhinos in Kruger Park


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zaandrew: were you standing next to the poacher?

you answer me first, i asked you first.

zaandrew: http://thenewage.co.za/105033-1007-53-Minister_mourns_loss_of_suicide_soldier

sucide

your own source says ;

"Zulu allegedly shot himself on Saturday while on duty in the Kruger National Park working as part"

do you know the meaning of that bold word "allegedly" ? it means NO PROOF !

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zaandrew: Solders commit suicide, typically with their rifle. He shot himself in his base camp.

you were standing beside him when he shot himself ?

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NaijaPikinGidi: Mr. Agaugust can you please ignore the idiot on this matter?

yes sir !

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zaandrew: no where did it say they where shot at and my post shows it was a suicide not hostile action. do your home work

post the soldier's suicide notes....fool

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CraigB: More embarrassment for you. You don't know what operation corona is. So how about you research that before you shame the whole of Naai-geria. ape man.

your family are all white pigs, your father a boar, your mother a sow, and you their unfortunate piglet

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CraigB: Typical. You've been embarrassed twice in less than 8 hours and now you resort to this. You forget that yellow green exposed you and we all know who's fake around here.

the man Augustine exposed by @redyellowgreen is no fake, that man is an airforce group captain with rank and training 20 times superior to your local champion @andrewza, a low rank navy seaman/recruit.

do you even know the meaning of the word fake ?

if that NAF group captain posts comments on this thread, 99% of the people here will collapse from what they read in his posts.

foolish boy , racist skinhead

zaandrew: if you did more than 3 seconds of research i would not have embarrassed you.

i dont feel embarrassed, i quoted a source. i am not the journalist, so why should i be embarrassed by an incident that happened in south africa where i dont live ? none of my business, i simply dont care.

no source says for sure he committed suicide, south african government says shooting incident, NOT accident or suicide. fool, you should be the one embarrased below :


Johannesburg - A soldier has been killed during an operation in the Kruger National Park, the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) said on Monday.

Private Thabiso Zulu, of Regiment East Rand, was deployed on Sunday with 2 SA Infantry Battalion.

"[He] was allegedly involved in a fatal shooting incident while on duty during Operation Corona in the Kruger National Park," said SANDF spokesperson Xolani Mabanga.

A board of inquiry had been convened to investigate the shooting incident, he said.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Soldier-killed-in-Kruger-National-Park-20130819

Rhino poachers are tormenting south african military in their own homeland soil

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zaandrew: you are a fool who knows nothing, you think chefs are fools who only cook. By the way i am not a chef.

....but you fight war like one

zaandrew: The rooivalk is built to be able to fire AAMs but due to cost vs need (zero need) it is not loaded

notice SAAF rooivalk carrying mokap ATGM and AAM
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And i believe we said the Frigate will shoot them down

Yes but the A darter is certified has in they can carry them and there are A darter in limited supply due to no mass production line.

Yes and you own navy is calling them OPVs not frigate. They OPVs that what the order is for.

Valour have achieved 31knots i know that for a fact. if you puting a larger hanger and not increasing length somthing will have to give.

please could you be honest enough to stop this nonsense you post ? A-Darta missile is not in service with south african military until 2014. the source was very clear, and a respected source at that. you make me feel like stopping making replies to your post for lack of honesty. its getting too much man !

DENEL wepons dont belong to south african military until your military buys and pays for them. DENEL is a profit making company different form South African air force, or DENEL MD/CEO is the air marshal of south african air force ? fool

standard speed for both Type 056 and valour is 28 knots, simple google information. any ship can decide to break its standard speed limit and ruin its engine with excess wear and tear, expensive diesel engines you fool !

standard Type 056 warship is 89m length, nigerian version is already extended to 95m length. reason i tell you the nigerian version is being groomed to be superior, these are insider naval information they wont publish in newspapers, let everybody wait for the ship to arrive....many technical surprises....including plans for extra french navtronics, and an anti-submarine helicopter chinese or french...not Augusta utility.

standard Type 056 warship is 1440 tons full load, nigerian version is 1,800 tons full load. what is the extra load capacity for ? fishes and crayfishes ? fool

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zaandrew: First one was a suicide aka he shot himself, second one was a helo crash

the 15 soweto SANDF who died in Seleka's combat also committed suicide ? abi ? b.loody l.iar

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@Zeus_Ayo...i see you online, how body now ? longest time ! shay una dey kampe ?

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zaandrew: First one was a suicide aka he shot himself, second one was a helo crash

suicide ? source please !

read one of the comments from south african citizens on that story, and go kiss your own a.zz

[size=14pt]AUG 20, 2013
RobinX
It can only be that he was accidentally shot in "friendly fire". Good grief, our troops are incompetent. How poorly they are trained. Really sad, this, but I blame incompetent training officers. SO what kind of military operation is conducted in the Kruger Park? A spot of hunting for the regimental braai?[/size]



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