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Msauza: Bwahahahahaha! Atleast ours were killed at once and yours are killed very often as if they are sacrificed to Amadioha. Everytime we hear that 15, 20, 25 soldiers were killed in Boko Haram,s attack. I thought your soldiers were strong enough to handle Boko Haram.

Yes you are right, the fearless Nigerian army continues to fight and continues to kill and be killed, same thing happened to us in Liberia and Sierra Leone wars but we won all the wars at last after some years.

Opposite of that is the cowardly South African army that was too afraid to die and their soldiers union refused to go back into CAR war and fight Seleka rebels to redeem the shattered public image of their internationally disgraced Mandela nation's Army and clean up their historical poor combat history of no single victory

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andrewza: A zsu 57-2 shot a tornado and they have been obsoliet since the 1960s.

thank you for agreeing with me that obsolete anti-aircraft defense weapons have been shooting down modern jet fighters. thank you for this confirmation.

when a human being tells lies too much, one day he will unintentionally tell the truth


obsolete ZSU 57-2 anti-aircraft guns below
https://www.military-today.com/artillery/zsu_57_2_l1.jpg

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Mike..ZA:
The Umbani is a glide bomb with a range of 40km.

Tell us its speed because I shot it down here 3 months ago. Post Umbani speed with source...if at all it has entered service as at today.

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Mike..ZA:
South Africa has many combat kills than any other african country. South Africa is the only African country with the bragging rights,of sinking a submarine(U boat).

All south African 1940 world war II soldiers are dead long time ago and its not yet ressurection day according to the Holy Bible I read.

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Mike..ZA:
Here's the conclusion: While the NS Arandu was trying to sink SAS Amatola with "8 missiles",it is wide opened by a torpedo from SAS Manthantisi. Then all your Admirals scream "OMO CHINEKE OOOOO,GODO bringooo black scorpionoo back",the next day Nigeria goes to the UN to complain about "South Africa's aggression". To save your self from the shame awaiting you on this forum you hang your self.

NNS ARADU has a brand new modern radar, and also a new modern anti-submarine detector hull sonar plus it's many anti-submarine torpedoes.

You don't know what I am writing in my new war simulation. I can see all you south africans on nairaland panic and tremble already...good for you


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Msauza: So, how did it come that Boko Haram killed 12 soldiers and 7 policemen?

So how come Seleka killed 13 south African soldiers when supersonic high speed rapid response Gripen Jets and the Rooivalk helicopters were stationed battle ready in Zambia for emergency operations in the region ?

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Mike..ZA:
Nigeria will be badly beaten back to Abuja,if you ever tried invading SA. With only 12 F7 mostly will be left in Nigeria to defend your homeland against any threat,that would mean South Africa will enjoy air superiority. Meaning to protect your ground forces,your commanders will send all your 19 Rolands to give an Umbrella of protection against aerial bombings from SAAF. But just like in the Bush war, South Africa will use the long range of its G5 and G6 to destroy all your anti craft systems. Then all mechanised units hardware,will be prayed upon by the Rooivalk.

You talk before you think.

South African 3,000 km coastline is too long and U-shaped for your tiny army and air force to protect 100%...your borders are too porous...Zimbabweans smuggle in thousands of illegal guns annually....poachers de-horn your Rhinos and export the horns right under your long noses

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Mike..ZA:
Don't lose touch with reality Mr. How will your troops be transported to South Africa,when will your country acquire a replishiment or support ship?. Nigeria's invasion of South Africa will be smashed and pushed back into the sea.

Don't be in a hurry wait for my final war simulation of the south african naval blockade. Nigeria has the support ship you don't know about....do good research...Lazy man !

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andrewza: Unless you can show a F7 that conducted a strike mission in malil back off. All info was to that they did recon. They not very good in the air to ground role.

Nobody will publish details of classified air combat operation in public newspapers until a war has ended, or they did not teach you that in south African military academy ?

Nigerian F-7 jets are good in simple, basic ground attack bombing role, other countries have used their own F-7 jet for ground attack e.g. Sri Lankan air force against Tamil rebel army and navy.

Google is your friend, study war history...toy soldier

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NaijaPikinGidi: Flew to Zambia and nothing more! No combat, no strikes ... Just the usual tourism by your SANDF. F7s meanwhile have tasted combat and strikes time and again for Nigeria! Empty rant!

F-7 Jets were used by Nigeria in combat in Mali and today's Boko Haram war.

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saengine: Notice how he still hasnt provided the effective range of those rockets on Alpha jets yet he still says 13km. Like i thought.

I don't rush my things. I am doing new war simulation of combined air and sea attack to sink the whole south African navy in a naval blockade grand finale.

Pray hard I don't invade soweto homeland after it. Pray hard.

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andrewza: When has a F7 from nigeria done any combat missions.

This month and F-7 Jet still bombing b.oko h.aram today any minute called upon.

When did your Gripen jet do ordinary one combat mission since purchased 8 years ago ? They never killed one cockroach

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Msauza: Wrong! Umbani is very fast and have personally saw it in Lohatlha

post source of Umbani bomb's 'fast' speed.

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....................[size=16pt]preparing for the final battle[/size]



another quote about Otomat missile and that is the standard. whatever number of Otomat you have on board any warship, 2, 4, or 8 missiles, they are standard configured to be fired against one single target in one single attack :

Quote 1

No particular maneuvres are required by the ship: the missiles are capable of changing course after the launch up to 200° so all the Otomat missiles in the ship could be used against the same target in one attack.

Quote 2

The ERATO (Extended Range Air Targeting for Otomat) system, used by the Al-Madinah class frigates built in 1980.

In this case updated target information is provided to the ship which controls up to 16 missiles. This allows a multi-ship launch (Al Madinah Frigate have eight missiles each) and single ship control of an Otomat salvo for coordinated attack.

Quote 3

It is possible to send up to six corrections for each missile, and attack up to six different targets at once.

Source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat


saudi arabian AL MADINAH frigate is a 1980 warship as nigerian NNS ARADU, both carry 8 Otomat missiles, both can fire all their 8 Otomat missiles in one coordianted/simultaneous attack against one single target or 6 Otomat missiles in a single coordinated/simultaneous attack against 6 different targets

i am going to use NNS ARADU's Otomat anti-ship missile with its superior long range and 50 nigerian Alpha, L-39, MBB 339, and F-7 jets to sink all the four south african navy valour frigates in that naval blockade before i quit this forum.

after this final battle, jacob zuma will have no navy anymore, then nigeria will invade and re-colonize south africa like your Boer masters !


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andrewza: Once again you show you incopotiance. You are fool that knows nothing. The ocean is not the ground. You the biggest fool and liar I have ever met.

okay, the Atlantic Ocean is not on the ground, it is hanging up in the sky, right ?

https://static.asiawebdirect.com/m/phuket/portals/phuket-com/homepage/island/beaches_karon/TopPageContent/0/BigImage/karon-beach.jpg

saengine: If Alpha jets are firing at 13km above sea level while also being outside the 15km arc, it means that Nigerian unguided rockets have a further range than missiles like A Darter and Umkhonto. As an exercise ask him to post the ranges of Nigerian rockets used. Keep asking him the same question and see how many excuses you get.

read quoted post below, see your fellow south african has finally agreed with me, i kept telling you that valour frigate cannot use umkhonto missile to defend against Otomat missile, i told you it uses only one single CIWS 35mm DENEL gun, that is a very big weakness against 8 Otomat missiles fired simultaneously as i prove below with new quotes.

i know sea warfare more than you do, and you keep arguing foolishly with me.

Mike..ZA:
The Denel 35mm Dual Purpose Gun(35DPG) is a close-in weapon system (CIWS) for
warships made in South Africa by Denel Land
Systems. It is currently in service on the Valour
class frigates of the South African Navy.

Its primary role is to defend against attack by
helicopters, fixed-wing aircraft and missiles. It
has a secondary role against surface vessels
and shore targets, both in symmetrical and
asymmetrical warfare.

then you will tell me that you know sea warfare more than i do ? you are a real comedian

i am giving you another quote about Otomat missile and that is the standard. whatever number of Otomat you have on board any warship, 2, 4, or 8 missiles, they are standard configured to be fired against one single target in one single attack :

Quote 1

No particular maneuvres are required by the ship: the missiles are capable of changing course after the launch up to 200° so all the Otomat missiles in the ship could be used against the same target in one attack.

Quote 2

The ERATO (Extended Range Air Targeting for Otomat) system, used by the Al-Madinah class frigates built in 1980.

In this case updated target information is provided to the ship which controls up to 16 missiles. This allows a multi-ship launch (Madinah Frigate have eight missiles each) and single ship control of an Otomat salvo for coordinated attack.

Quote 3

It is possible to send up to six corrections for each missile, and attack up to six different targets at once.

Source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat#Developments


saudi arabian AL MADINAH frigate is a 1980 warship as nigerian NNS ARADU, both carry 8 Otomat missiles, both can fire all their 8 Otomat missiles in one coordianted/simultaneous attack against one single target or 6 Otomat missiles in a single coordinated/simultaneous attack against 6 different targets

i am going to use NNS ARADU's Otomat anti-ship missile with its superior long range and 50 nigerian Alpha, L-39, MBB 339, and F-7 jets to sink all the four south african navy valour frigates in that naval blockade before i quit this forum.

so jacob zuma has no navy anymore, then nigeria will invade and re-colonize south africa like your Boer masters !


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Mike..ZA:
30 second apart. Won't be a "simultaneous attack" like he says.

if 8 Otomat missiles from NNS ARADU flying 30 seconds apart h.it a south african valour warship, your navy will have no corpses available for burial. you dont know how simultaneous or near simultaneous 30 seconds interval explosion will be. fool

let me throw 8 heavy stones at close range directly on your head at 30 seconds interval and tell me if you feel any headache since my a.ttack is not as simultaneous as you wish

Msauza: South Africa has Umbani which can fire upto 25 KM range. There is no much of a difference between Umbani and missiles as it behaves like missiles. The Umbani is a guided bomb which can be locked on to the target just like a missile.

were you in hospital when i shot down all south african Umbani Guided Bombs 3 months ago in war simulation ? Umbani is NOT a missile, it is a 35km/h horse animal speed bomb, damn too slow for Roland SAM or TYPE 90 AAA of nigerian air defenses.

see why i want to exit this forum soon ? i am tired of repeating the same thing 7 times in 70 days to 7 different south africans.

saengine: When arguing with that guy you must learn to ask the right questions, otherwise he'll keep on going round and round. Rather ask him to post a list of the rockets and bombs Alpha jets carry and their ranges. This is what i asked him yesterday but he didnt answer. Instead he just decided to reply with 13km above sea level. Where he got that 13km above sea level from no one knows, but he keeps using it in his subsequent arguments as if it's been presented as fact.

If Alpha jets are firing at 13km above sea level while also being outside the 15km arc, it means that Nigerian unguided rockets have a further range than missiles like A Darter and Umkhonto. As an exercise ask him to post the ranges of Nigerian rockets used. Keep asking him the same question and see how many excuses you get.

reason why only one nigerian civilian has defeated ten south african soldiers and civilians in every combat simulation on this forum. imagine what one nigerian military man will do to all of you ?

please join all your 33% south african brains together and solve my war riddle....

50 nigerian jets with bombs and rockets fly at 13km above sea level to attack one south african valour frigate and the niegrian jets CANNOT be harmed by any south african umkhonto missile with range 15km. riddle for those who have combat knowledge. slove it, mandela boys, solve it.

photo of L-39 Jet similar to nigeria's flying very high above sea level and seeing all that's on the open sea below

andrewza: And at that rang or altuid will be of zero threat I mean zero.

who will believe you ? we all know law of gravity brings down all air dropped bombs from even 20km altitude to d.estroy ground targets. who will believe you ? you think we are like your 3 year old son ?

i am going to sink all south african valour warships in that naval blockade before i leave this forum...unless your ships run away from nigerian waters

join your little son in sucking your thumbs !

https://www.kreinerdental.com/files/2012/04/pediatric_thumb_sucking.jpg

Msauza: All Roland SAMs are using radar system to lock on any target which can be easily picked up by sophisticated 4.5th generation fighters and stay clear out of its range whereby alternative measures can be taken, such as the use of long range AGMs missiles and guided munitions (umbani) can be used as an option.

south africa has no air to ground missiles, thats why i used Roland SAM to shoot down all your Gripen jets 3 months ago on this forum.

Msauza: Actually, we had one incident where Rooivalk nearly crashed. It was a minor accident that cannot amount to an actual crash caused by the pilot who was flying very low and accidentally collided with electric cables. The Rooivalk dropped to the ground and suffer minor damages with no one injured.

Rooivalk pilot flew into electricity cables in broad day light blind as a bat...nigerian pilots and south african pilots have both been crashing. none is better that the other. crash is crash. fact !

Mike..ZA:
Fact is: Denel can upgrade it to a range of 25km,with an "area defence" capability.

DENEL does not have any range 25km as at today.

want to talk about future ? okay nigeria too next year can put 300km range C-803 anti-ship missiles on our two new Type 056 warships and sink all south african navy from 250km distance away and mandela's country has no navy anymore !

then we invade south africa by sea landing our giant size nigerian army and goodluck jonathan will re-colonize your soweto nation like the Boer !

Msauza: Renewed Airforce my foot. Do you call Alphas and Chengdu F7s forth generation fighters? Damn until you bring forth or fifth generation your Airforce will remain in mess. It doesn't matter whether you have 100 Alpha and 100 F7, because those jets are notorious of falling on their own from the sky without being hit by anything. Even pilots are scared of flying those jets.

no nigerian F-7 jet has crashed since the 3 that happened 2009 to 2011. the F-7 jets have done combat action in mali and borno state and no crashes.

south african jets are not crashing because you dont fly too often, and also your pilots have has supersonic flights since 1987. nigerian pilots switched from subsonic flights of alpha jets to supersonic F-7 jets and the initial change was cause of crashes with new aircraft.

it has stopped anyway several years ago.

south africa too has crashed about 4 Augusta helicopters, 2 Rooivalk helicopters, 1 CASA transport, 2 Dakota MPA, 1 Cessna transport, 1 C-130 Hercules transport. both countries do have air crashes. period

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[size=16pt]NAF L-39 Albatross Jets fully upgraded[/size]

the nigerian air force L-39 trainer/light attack jets are now more powerful for its designed light roles.

http://beegeagle./2013/07/06/nigerian-air-force-l39-albatros-light-attack-jets-at-the-air-expo-2012-world-exclusive-photos-props-henry-a-beegeagles-blogger/

[size=16pt]nigeria upgrades its 12 MBB 339 light attack jets for $84 million[/size]

http://www.xairforces.net/newsd.asp?newsid=238&newst=2#.UgWzPJLvsbg

total of over 50 jets now available fully upgraded or newly purchased in 2008

10 Alpha jets...trainer/ground attack

12 MBB 339 jets....trainer/ground attack

16 (estimate) L-39 Albatross jets....trainer/ground attack

12 F-7 jets.....interceptor/ground attack

solomon111: Fellow Nigerians,there is a report of an "illegal" french incursion into Nigerian territorial waters.
I would like us to debate about the security implications e.t.c.

i hear that it is a harmless patrol to help french oil company Total Nigeria Limited offshore get some protection.

france and nigeria are very good friends now and we fight war side by side against a common enemy as in mali.

anyway, during a naval blockade of nigerian waters, south african navy will sink the french navy frigate

i have always told @andrewza that a naval blockade of nigerian waters will make the foreign powers to attack south african warships and submarines, the americans, europeans, and asians wont let any b.loody south african navy block their oil and gas business in nigeria, fact is fact.

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Msauza: Umkhonto does not even need to hide from Alpha jets. It has got double the speed of Alpha jets and definitely once its sensitive seeker head locks with your Alpha jet, that I am 120% sure your fighter pilot is already with his ancestors in heaven. FACT!

your Umkhonto missile can keep on radar locking and unlocking as many Alpha jets as it wants, fact is that it will waste all its efforts because the Alpha jets will fly at 13km above sea level outside the range of the Valours Umkhonto missiles, or some flying demonic spirits in the air will use their bat wings to help south african missiles fly more than their technical range from DENEL

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Msauza: You know nothing about missiles. Speak about forth generation fighters which always stand 10% chances to manuevre missiles attacks and not the slow Alpha jets. Roland SAMs were specifically developed to stop such jets as Alpha jets.

for the 7th time in 70 days i repeat on this forum that in gulf war iraqi Roland SAM shot down 2 British Royal Air Force Tornado Jet Fighters that have maximum speed 2,400km/hr. Alpha Jet speed is only 1,000km/hr, so how is Roland SAM built to shoot down only Alpha Jet types when it shot down very powerful and sophisticated Tornado Jets ?

are you keeping records ? be counting how many times i put the backs of all you south africans in the mud and made your soldiers on nairaland to drink gutter water

will likely exit forum this month because i am tired of you south africans senseless posts and making me to repeat an argument 7 times in 70 days because of your r.etarded soweto b.rains

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Msauza: What is wrong with you? since when ancient Alpha jets fly more than that range because your 13km is smaller than 15km. How do you do your maths there in Nigeria

hahaha 33% brain ! i set a technical t.rap for all you south africans to fall inside and say what you just said now.

there is a technical combat difference between 15km range and 13km above sea level....take this point as second homework for you tonight, go do research. see you tomorrow my south african students

Msauza: Renewed Airforce my foot. Do you call Alphas and Chengdu F7s forth generation fighters? Damn until you bring forth or fifth generation your Airforce will remain in mess. It doesn't matter whether you have 100 Alpha and 100 F7, because those jets are notorious of falling on their own from the sky without being hit by anything.

you mean they fall down from the sky like this....

Msauza: Your arguments are now growing to bore us because you keep on changing statements like underwear or are you just testing our patience. Recently you were boasting that no plane can hit the target at high altitudes and now you are here telling us that your old Alphas can hit targets at its service ceiling. You really cannot stand by your words mister.

your south african military men on nairaland dont know real life war, so you depend on what i tell you from time to time, and i will never tell you everything i know in one day, not even in one year. it comes from many years of training which you do not have.

now take this homework for study tonight...

there is a big difference between air to land attack like Gripen jet vs Roland SAM, and air to sea attack like Alpha jet vs Valour frigate.

land has too many camouflagues like bushes, houses, cars, shelters, etc and too many land based air defences like battalions of anti aircraft guns and missiles.

sea has no cover, its open, no camouflages, no houses, no shelters, no cars , no trees, no bushes etc and the warship has only limited anti-aircraft defence on board. it is in great danger from enemy aircraft flying outside the limited range of the warships anti-aircraft weapons and the weapons are too few for 10 to 50 enemy aircrafts attacking at the same time.

i am proving to you south africans that real war is 100 times more complex in reality than just to copy and paste DENEL weapons photos/videos.

thats why in real war, all the top admirals, generals, and air marshals have to meet as joint chiefs of staff to plan war tactics and strategy.

this is beyond the knwolwedge level of all you south africans on nairaland.

fact, indisputable world class facts !

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