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CraigB: For the fake researcher that knows nothing:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R5y5EmCapE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoW1bCHB8-o

Fighter Pilot: Wrong, not all Cheetahs were built from Dassault Mirage airframe and I quote:

Sixteen of the SAAF's 27 Mirage IIIDZ/D2Z aircraft were converted to Cheetah D standard, 16 of its Mirage IIIEZ aircraft were converted to Cheetah E standard, but no South African Mirage airframes were used for the 38 Cheetah Cs.

That excerpt above was quoted from wikipedia.

Msauza: During war it is a greatest possibility that all parties in conflict will be slammed with sanction, most probably arms embago. Now tell me if those countries are in war with South Africa how will they be able to develop weapons if they do not have that capability? Don't you think that SA will utilise such weakness to their advantage.

Msauza: So far we have proved that Nigerian Airforce is not as well equipped as that of its South African counterpart. A country with just 12 Chengdu F7-Ni can never expect to defeat a country 15 Griffins and 26 Hawks in a dogfight. Nigerias Russians Mi-35 gunships have by no doubt proven to be weaker than Denel's Rooivalk. The Denel's made gunship has been proven to be the worlds best top 10 gunship. Our Airforce use better missile technology than what NA has in their arsenal. SA Air force is much bigger than Nigerian Airforce in leaps and bounds, hence it will only be through the use of Juju that Nigerias Airforce will ever defeat SA Air force.

Mike..ZA:
What do you know about military hardware?. Show me any "heavy equipment" your country produces. YOU KNOW NOTHING LIL S..UCKER!!!!!!!!!!

Mike..ZA:
Did you know: France has nuclear weapons and an aircraft carrier which can put more than "12" fighter jets(The Rafaele) in your airspace?. Did you also know: That the Leclerc Main battle tank can take out any Nigerian armoured vehicle or tank?. France can take out Nigeria in 2 months,so don't dare say your armed forces have a chance in defeating France.

Mike..ZA:
You were in your hibernation mode? Cause I already answered all ago. On the issue of South Africa can't produce heavy weapons,If the war winning G5 and G6 guns are not heavy weapons then show any Nigerian made "heavy wespons". And please we(South Africans) have proved on many occasions that South Africa is capable of producing helicopter engines. If our armies were to meet in the battlefield,how will your forces counter the a battery of the G6 gun. Don't talk about planes,cause Nigeria has 12 F7 jets to take on the Griffins and Hawks(which will focus on ground bombings).

Mike..ZA:
Nigeria has never produced any manned war plane. Artillery systems? South Africa is the world leader in designing artillery systems,example being the G7 105mm Howitzer which can put a shell 36km away. Outranging all 105mm howitzers and all 155mm Nigerian guns.

NaijaPikinGidi: Can anyone see Parktown in the map? Simple things by technology seem to be impossible when it comes to CrayFish's level!

saengine: Quest for the Maroon Beret

What it takes to become a SANDF paratrooper. 30 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xsCdTYxHwCs[

saengine: http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6540:fact-file-denel-dynamics-umkhonto-short-range-infra-red-guided-point-air-defence-missile-system-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

"The Umkhonto missile system provides point defence against high-speed aircraft and missiles at ranges up to 12km. The system provides all-round protection, including zenith, and has a “very high saturation level” through the use of vertical launching, automatic flight control together with multi-targeting capabilities."

"The Umkhonto IR is reputedly the first VLS IR SAM and also the first to use LOAL3 and can engage “eight or more” different targets simultaneously, using the ships’ Thales MRR (multi-role radar). Upon launch the missile is said to fly to a lock-on point using inertial navigation. At the designated spot the missile activates its IR seeker and locks on."



So this is your lesson for me? You clearly know absolutely nothing about Umkhonto missile. Nothing at all. Umkhonto SAM has 40G of maneuverability, meaning after launch it can very rapidly change it's direction you fool. You think it turns like a fat cow? Go back to sleep if you are clueless about this topic. Otomat missiles will be picked up from many kilometers away. Will you be firing them at us from 1m away? No. Your imaginary Otomat missiles will not touch any Frigate. This is the official picture Denel released with the Umkhonto SAM. What kind of targets is it engaging in this pic? Stop wasting my time, fool.

[img]http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sam_umkhonto-ir_scenario.gif[/img]

zaandrew: Wow you again just showed you know nothing.

Chillisauce: PART 5 OF "OPENING PANDORAS APARTHEID BOX":
By Mike Smith

Black cognitive ability. Third Rationale for Apartheid.

Long before studies like “The Bell Curve” or “Race and Reason” were published, before IQ tests were invented, we whites of Africa knew the mind of the black man intimately. Nobody had to prove anything to us. We knew the limitations of the African black and his capacity to break whatever he touches. We knew his strengths and his weaknesses.

From simple, obvious and uncomplicated examples the white man drew his conclusions about black’s cognitive abilities.
The white man noticed that the blacks from South Africa never invented the wheel. Blacks never had any written languages. They had no dug-out canoes, let alone ships. Their dwellings were nothing but single roomed shelters that resembled poor imitations of inverted bird’s nests, made from sticks and grass. They had no woven cloth and were wearing animal skins. They had no maps and no borders. They had a primitive belief system and their tribal



laws were held and changed by “elders” at will after drinking their tribal beer/brew.

They were nomadic cattle herders that never permanently settled in one place for too long. They hardly grew crops and if so, it were small patches of subsistence maize introduced by
the whites who brought it back from South America, the only place where it grew and existed. Yes that is right. Maize, which is today the staple food of all Blacks throughout the entire
Africa, comes from South America and was introduced to blacks by white European settlers. Blacks today cannot even imagine a life without maize, yet they say that whites never brought anything good to Africa. As I said before, blacks needs to go down on their knees and thank the Lord for sending the white man to their evil continent. Because as far as providing for themselves...they are useless.

Blacks have proven that they cannot farm. They hardly understand the principle of irrigation,let alone ever building any dams. When a slight drought occurs one year all their crops fail and they starve.
Whites in South Africa developed commercial farming into a science and built universities such as Elsenburg at Stellenbosh

...blacks who have worked on white farms for their entire lives, for generations, neverlearned a thing and every white commercial farm that was handed over to blacks failed, even after vast amounts of money was thrown at them, training was given and the most modern implements bought for them by the government.
This tragedy is documented in a book by Dr. Phillip du Toit called,
The Great South African Land Scandal. Dr du Toit has made his book available online, free of charge.

Liberals and cultural relativists will be quick to point out that there are many blacks today who are academics, medical doctors or lawyers. They will tell us that the environment determines IQ. They somehow believe that a black child raised in a white household, who went to white schools and who had all the
opportunities as a white kid would magically become equal or better than a white child. It is only the simpleminded who believes this. Eskimos live on the same parallel as Northern European Whites, but have never been able to reach the same level of development and ingenuity as Whites from Scandinavia, Russia or Germany. Blacks who live in Tropical conditions have never been able to build the structures of the Incas, the Mayas or even anything resembling the beauty of Angkor Wat in Cambodia.

Besides, the Australians tried it. They took Aborigine children away from their communities, raised them in wealthy white households, sending them to only the best schools, etc. The
results were that these Abbo children reverted to the same behaviour and sometimes worse than that of their traditional communities. Today we refer to them as The stolen generation.

So what about those clever blacks you ask?...The ones who are doctors, etc...? Anybody who has ever taught blacks anything, lectured to them or tried to jerk them into the twentieth century will understand what I am about to say?

I have to tell you a little story here.

When I was at school in South Africa I had a friend. Let us call him “Manie”. Manie was a hyper intelligent young boy. At the age of eleven when we had the “Rubik Cube” craze, he was solving the puzzle in 50 odd seconds. Later on in high school, Manie produced straight A’s, he could play several musical instruments including the drums, guitar and trumpet. He played Rugby and was also a martial artist of note. Manie became a dentist and
is currently practicing in the UK.

While he was a medical student I once asked him how difficult the course was. He said to me that to become a doctor is not difficult. It is a SHIT load of work to study, but it is not difficult as in Engineering or Physics. I asked him why he opted for Dentist. He told me that when he wants to drive a Porche, he wants to go out there and buy him one. He was honest.
He did not become a dentist, because he had some calling in life...he did it purely for the money. So for blacks to become medical doctors is actually not that difficult.

The black (Zulu) historian and Shaman, Credo Mutwa talks about this in his book, “My People” (1969). Credo says that blacks never had any written language so they have no written history. Their
history is passed down orally from Sangoma to Sangoma. See, the Sangoma is not only the traditional healer, he is also the preserver of the oral history, the tribal laws and the ancient
rituals and customs of the blacks.

He explains that blacks have an excellent memory that they drill from childhood through stories, rhymes and songs. To remember detail they use what we would call “memory association”.
For instance, Credo Mutwa says that the blacks have a huge respect for the late president of the ZAR, Paul Kruger. President Kruger had an ability to mimic the sounds of all birds through
whistling. Even till this day the township of Mamelodi east of Pretoria, capital city of the ZAR and South Africa is named after Paul Kruger, the whistler. His statue stands on Church Square
in Pretoria.

When one teaches blacks, it is not uncommon to find that they score well to very well in tests or exams where they have to repeat what they were taught. In fact it is almost well
known amongst educators that blacks are better at this than whites. But when it comes to applying knowledge...when it comes to using logic, faultfinding and problem solving skills, blacks fall by the wayside. They just cannot do it.

A black can pass all the theory exams to become a pilot, but put him in a simulator and subject him to crisis situations where he has to think rapidly, then one sees the cogs of the black cognitive system start flying all over the place. And I am talking about the one percent...the best of the best,. The other 99% are only good to dig ditches, provided they do not break the pick or spade.
The proof is in the pudding. It is not as if the world is over run by Nobel Laureates for hard sciences like physics or chemistry. How many black astro or nuclear physicists do you know?

Today much is being said about Black education under Apartheid, but the truth is that in 1987 at the height of Apartheid, six million black children were at school, a new record for South
Africa at the time. In the previous year 1800 classrooms for secondary education were built by whites, with white money for blacks. About 130 new schools were built. If one considers
the schools burnt down by blacks at the same time the education standards of blacks could have been even higher.

At the time black South Africans had the highest literacy rate amongst other blacks on the entire continent. Blacks had eight universities in South Africa producing lawyers, doctors,
teachers, etc of world standard. None of those people would say today that their education and degrees are of an inferior standard. Quite the contrary, they are extremely proud of their education they underwent during Apartheid. Telling them that their education was “Sub standard” would be insulting them.

As I have mentioned before, South Africa was a world leader in medical science during Apartheid and established a unique Medical university called MEDUNSA which produced amongst others on average 200 black doctors per year. MEDUNSA also trained nurses and other medical staff.

The most amazing thing is that no matter how well Blacks are educated, they never let go of their superstitious believes in the Tokoloshe, Muti witchcraft and ancestor worship. Blacks who hold high positions today such as ministers in parliament or judges...blacks who are engineers, still consult the witchdoctor on a regular basis. Blacks still run around and attack everyone, including their own with pangas.

No amount of western education will ever be sufficient to change the African black savage into respectable human beings. They are what they are. We have to be honest with ourselves and with blacks and accept them them for who and what they are. We have to realise that our cultures will never be compatible Just as the Boers never wanted to rule over the Blacks, the Boers will NEVER accept blacks ruling over them.

The previous National Party government was not stupid. They never took any decisions without thoroughly investigating all options. They studied the Swiss Canton system and the
Belgium model with the Flemish and Walonians ...No sytem could be compared to the unique South African situation. Apartheid was not the only option. There were others to consider like
the Stalinist option of just exterminating all opposition in their millions. But BJ Voster asked us to accept the reforms, because the other options were just too ghastly to comprehend for
the pious Whites of South Africa.

snydergp: Mr fool the delusional military boy. Did you know your Otomat MK1 needs helocopter guidance during its cruise faze, now can you tell me whether the NNS ARUDA can carry 1 or 4 helo's and fire so called 8 missiles in second.

By the way there's no anti ship missile systems built in the 1960's that can fire 8 missile at once especially a missile the size of the Otomats which is heavy.

No modern Navy would go to war today with 1960's missile tech.

Lastly without regular live testing of weapons atleast once a year a missile systems especially a relic like the Otomat is already Obsolete.

My boy i see you haven't lost your youthful over zealousness. Go try your dreams of a naval war against SAS ships in Somali waters son

Msauza: You are such a fool! That South African Air force helicopter crashed because of technical problem, the direct consequence of it flying low most of the times.

blackchris: on the contrary, it was shot down by poachers

CraigB: In Afghanistan, idiöT! Not in blerry America!

You were attacked in your own country!

You're embarrassing your children, Humanoid.

Face it. You have no military. You wish you did have one, but you do not.

Oh and another thing: Speak to someone who does have an MBA and ask them to teach how to present an argument. You're useless.

Goodnight. Assuming you can have a good anything in Lagos.

sambos994: You think the Taliban was afraid when they attacked the US forces?

saengine: Again....thank you for the essay but get back to me when you have the link of your proof. Umkhonto is a surface to air missile designed to hit aircraft and incoming missile. Excellent system proudly produced in SA. Google it, dont waste my time. Waiting for your link, thanks.

saengine: Show us the technical details pointing out that Aradu can fire 8 missiles simultaneously like you claimed, or shut that hole you call a mouth.

Every credible Navy on earth with a missile firing capability needs to conduct live firing tests to keep their sailors relatively current on the weapons systems.

Not every day, but a few times over a number of years.

Missiles must be fired from time to time, not on a computer screen....in a real life exercise.

Who do you think is more capable or resupply anti ship missiles, Nigeria or South Africa? Who has fired more practice and live missiles in the last 10 years and have more experienced crew to efficiently resupply? I'm sure some of your sailors think Otomat is type of tinned fish they buy at the store, they've never seen one with their own eyes.

Oh shame you didn't know that Umkhonto can fire at incoming/sea-skimming missiles to defend the Frigate? You didn't know that? And you're claiming to be teaching me new things? Go back to sleep my boy.

saengine: hahahahaha.....I thought so. I don't know how many times I must repeat this, I am not that other guy Patriot who believed every single thing that came out of your *ss. There is no honour in this thread. You have called me a fool many times, same way in which I have called you a fool many times.

saengine: Good. I want that source. And I hope your excuse for a brain realizes that carrying 8 missiles in no way means being able to fire all 8 simultaneously and even a few seconds apart. Depends on the fire control radar. Shows us these missiles which will be target practice for Umkhonto SAM....I'm waiting.

saengine: I never asked you about Roland you fool. Dont come here with that rubbish "almost every missile blah blah blah".....they are completely different systems. Show us the technical details pointing out that Aradu can fire 8 missiles simultaneously like you claimed, or shut that hole you call a mouth.

2smooth2shout: i found this comment very interesting, coming from a honest south african


Pierre Schnehage
• 7 hours ago

Come on, Zimbabwe could invade SA in a day. Our army is nothing but a bunch of tax guzzling fatso's riding out the wave.

saengine: Welding is a technology. There are people with Phd's in welding who advise industry on best practices. Manufacturing processes are a technology. There are industrial engineers with Phd's who advie industry on best manufacturing processes and techiques. If your small brain believes for one minute that by 2014 Nigeria will have the ability to design and manufacturw high end sensitive equipment found in missile seekers and radar algorithms keep dreaming. China is only helping Nigeria bolster its ship buidling capabilities. The brain, eyes and ears of ships will be imported into Nigeria for many many more years to come.

saengine: And we're still waiting for you to show how Aradu can fire 8 Otomat missiles simultaneously at a Frigate like you claimed. Still waiting for you to show any technical document which states Aradu can fire more than 1 missile at a time. Still waiting for you to show proof of when last Nigeria went out to sea and fired any missile at any target. 1980? When? Umkhonto will blow your so called missiles out the sky. Assuming you still have any left, which i highly doubt.

saengine: You must be confusing me with your boyfriend Patriot. Show us which 70% Nigeria is building. All China is doing is giving you sheets of steel to weld together. Please don't try impress people with your so called 70%. The most complex parts of any warship are the electronics and engines. Is Nigeria installing any homegrown radar system? Is Nigeria installing any homegrown sonar system? Is Nigeria developing the weapons management and control software? Is Nigeria installing any homegrown engines? Did Nigeria do any of the computer simulations and scale model testing of this boat before production? etc etc etc. What indigenous components in this boat are 100% Nigerian? The pots and pans in the kitchen? All the real hard work was done by the Chinese. They just gave you sections to weld together and you came running here thinking it would impress people. I told you I'm not Patriot. Your country simply doesnt have (not yet) the experience and expertise to develop high end electronic packages used in missile technology and electronic monitoring such as radar. Its a simple fact, just face it.

when you read the BBC weblink, the phrase "TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER" was too advanced for a your south african brain to decode

snydergp: Since when has peace enforcement became War. It seems you Naija lot have no clue whatsoever what constitutes a War.

I can school you lot but I just don't seem to have the patience to deal with amateurs anymore.

Anyway I'm just passing through