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Mike..ZA:
. Stop lying. The USA has prototype of weapon systems,that doesn't any "force backwards". This shows you don't read about modern weapon systems. Ever since the creation of Mike..ZA's account,he has been schooling you Nigerian village boys.

newtons 3rd law of motion cannot be changed by any modern technology. science is fact.

all they do is make recoiless guns that dont throw the recoiled engine part backwards to hurt the user. the backward force remains in the 'air' and pushes weight backwards, you cannot eliminate an invisible force of nature you fool !

show me new sources of new science of physics that says human beigns have eliminated newtons 3rd law of motion from this planet. fool ! one day you will say force of gravity has been eliminated because aircraft fly in the air and dont drop down...fools of soweto

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saengine: A warship being able to fire all missiles does not mean that all those missiles can be fired simultaneously. That is specifically why the person who wrote that wikipedia quote did not put in the word simultaneously. The first time simultaneously and Otomat were used in the same sentence was by you.

have you asked him, and he told you that was what he had in mind for not using the word simultaneous ? show proof.

saengine: I never said it can't be done, I said which stupid air force would do that. Oh so there were 60 jets in the air at the same time flying side by side to attack ONE target? Oh thats nice. Another one of your deluded "facts".

you dont really have many s.ensible human beings in south africa, do you ?

that is what is called wave air attack. 60 jets make 5 sqaudrons. they all take off from an air base heading to enemy target.

only your foolish south african military commanders are the ones who will attack such a dangerous target with only 6 Gripen jets.

it is an intelligent nigerian military commander that will attack a valour frigate thyat can target 8 jets at once, with 16 alpha jets to ensure a victory. y.our b.rain needs upgrade from DENEL.

first photo below is about 16 jets, and second below is photo of about 40 american jets heading for one single wave attack on iraq in gulf war. foolish south african !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_air_campaign

saengine: Then you come with imaginary physics of "backwards force". I'm done

ordinary AK-47 rifle gives a recoil. anything that shoots forward with force produces an equal amount of backward force.

who rated south african education above nigeria's ? that ranking source is either a fool or a white racist.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Newton's Third Law of Motion.

i have to take you into my science classroom again as i always do, 95% of all south africans have a 33% grade brain

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/u2l4a.cfm

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saengine: but they will tail each other and all 8 missiles will be travelling simultaneously at the same time in a long chain/trail/queue but will arrive on target at intervals of some seconds because they were fired at ships command discretion like 30 seconds apart.

I'm done with this crap. Talk about completely making up your own system capabilities from your a.ss. You have yet to show 8 missiles can be fired simultaneously at a target, which I repeat,was your initial claim. Now you're talking about missiles tailing each other. My sources showed that Umkhonto can engage 8 targets at the same time, non of yours have show Otomat can. Then you come with imaginary physics of "backwards force". I'm done

before you run away....answer my question even though you have been disgraced and defeated, try be a man and summon courage...

according to your own source, valour frigate can possibly carry 32 anti-aircraft missiles, but it can only engage 8 enemy aircraft targets at one time. so how will it defend against 16 nigerian Alpha jets including the 12 newly upgraded and specially configured maritime warfare versions flying multiple mass attack ? answer me with proof

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saengine: but they will tail each other and all 8 missiles will be travelling simultaneously at the same time in a long chain/trail/queue but will arrive on target at intervals of some seconds because they were fired at ships command discretion like 30 seconds apart.

I'm done with this crap. Talk about completely making up your own system capabilities from your a.ss. You have yet to show 8 missiles can be fired simultaneously at a target, which I repeat,was your initial claim. Now you're talking about missiles tailing each other. My sources showed that Umkhonto can engage 8 targets at the same time, non of yours have show Otomat can. Then you come with imaginary physics of "backwards force". I'm done

fool, 8 Otomat missiles tailing each other just 30 seconds apart is a d.eadly simultaneous attack.

your 33% b.rain cannot figure out how short 30 seconds is ?

show us how your south african valour frigate can launch all its own 8 Exocet anti-ship missiles 'simultaneously' without any few seconds interval. you dont know the backward 'recoil' force the ship will receive from firing 8 heavy weight anti-ship missiles in exactly one same second.

fool, you dont know basic science of physics in south africa

nice schools buildings. poor brain students.

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saengine: but they will tail each other and all 8 missiles will be travelling simultaneously at the same time in a long chain/trail/queue but will arrive on target at intervals of some seconds because they were fired at ships command discretion like 30 seconds apart.

I'm done with this crap. Talk about completely making up your own system capabilities from your a.ss. You have yet to show 8 missiles can be fired simultaneously at a target, which I repeat,was your initial claim. Now you're talking about missiles tailing each other. My sources showed that Umkhonto can engage 8 targets at the same time, non of yours have show Otomat can. Then you come with imaginary physics of "backwards force". I'm done

you are running away in defeat

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Mike..ZA:
South Africa has 24 hawks which can stop all your 12 F7 jets. Don't forget the 14 Griffins,and the other 12 can be taken out of storage if SA was threatened.

south africa has no aircraft carrier to fly the Hawk jets and Gripen jets that have ranges of about 850km, for all the distance to support a naval blockade of nigerian territorial waters 5,000km away you fool, 33% south african brain

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saengine: absolutely no confusion has been cleared because you still have not shown that it can fire 8 simultaneously. You just made that up, now all your following links and paragraphs are just you trying to hide it.

Otomat missile is engineered to have all missiles fired agaist a single target by the warship that carries it. NNS ARADU carries 8 Otomat missiles. It will fire all against a single target. That is what the source says, so dont add or subtract from it, leave it as it is, Fisile Bee !

"This allows the ship to fire all missiles against a target regardless of where they are place aboard."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

If you want to know how it does that, fly to Germany and ask the company that built NNS ARADU, it is my business to tell you what a nigerian weapon can do, it is not my business to tell you the engineering of how it does it.

saengine: What kind of st*pid air force would use 16 jets to attack one ship? This is not World War 2. If you allow yourself to use 16 jets, why dont you allow us to use 2 Frigates? Why dont you also post how close those Alpha jets will have to be to a target to release those rockets and bombs.

according to your own source, valour frigate can possibly carry 32 anti-aircraft missiles, but it can only engage 8 enemy aircraft targets at one time. so how will it defend against 16 nigerian Alpha jets including the 12 newly upgraded and specially configured maritime warfare versions flying multiple mass attack ? answer me with proof

show me source that says 16 jets attacking one warship is old world war II tactics, show me. also tell us why America sometimes attacks one single Iraqi position with about 60 USAF jets in gulf war.

show us proofs, we are waiting...fake civilian turned 'soldier'

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Nigerian_Air_Force_Dassault-Dornier_Alpha_Jet_Iwelumo-1.jpg

saengine: you had 3 links proving absolutely nothing. Hence me saying you are wasting time. For the very last time, a few pages back you claimed that Aradu would fire 8 Otomat missiles simultaneously at a South African Frigate. With all your paragraphs and all your links you are yet to prove that claim. Not one single bit of proof. Instead you post links and paragraphs that are irrelevant to your initial claim. You are the one who posts imaginary figures such as 80% and 20%.

"Designed for all-round defence against simultaneous air attacks from multiple targets, the Umkhonto-IR missile is the first vertically launched infrared-homing surface-to-air missile, also the first IR-homing missile to use lock-on-after-launch. Upon launch, the missile flies to a lock-on point, following on-board inertial navigation. The missile then activates its two-colour IR-seeker (variant of U-Darter AAM's seeker) and locks on. Target updates are received via data link, enabling the missile to counter evasive manoeuvres by the target."

english language is your problem not mine. the source on Otomat missile i posted says Otomat is configured to have all missiles fired againat a single target. so, NNS ARADU can fire all 8 Otomat missiles against a single target like south african valour frigate. the missiles can be fired one by one and that means a vaour frigate 50km away will be attacked by 8 missiles fired one by one at intervals, but they will tail each other and all 8 missiles will be travelling simultaneously at the same time in a long chain/trail/queue but will arrive on target at intervals of some seconds because they were fired at ships command discretion like 30 seconds apart.

what makes you believe valour frigate simultaneous firing of 8 Umkhonto missiles means one button is pushed and all 8 missiles take off at excatly the same second and not at intervals even if its a few seconds ? that is a rare thing because of the effect of backward force in principles of physics and more pronounced for a heavy anti-ship missile.

then what is the point about 8 Otomat missiles fired at once ? south africa has only 4 valour frigates.

then the frigates are not sitting together side by side in a naval blockade, or else its not a blockade anymore because niegrian coast is 800km long.

there is only one anti-ship missile defence on the valour frigate and it is the CIWS gun which cannot engage 8 Otomat missiles coming from front, back, left and right positions in a d.eadly multiple NNS ARADU attack.

Nigeria has 40 Otomat anti-ship missiles. South africa has only 17 Exocet anti-ship missiles shared among 4 valour warships minus the missiles wasted according to you in some regular foolish testing and practice, how many Exocets do you have left since almost 10 years ago ?

one day that secret too will leak out like your 12 Gripen jets that are frozen in cold storage, about half of south african air force best jets are not functioning


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Mike..ZA:
Umkhonto missile has destroyed the Denel Skua target drone,on many occasions during training and testing. Soon it will be upgraded to "area defence",meaning a single SAN frigate can protect a whole convoy of ships "riding" together. We all know living standards in Soweto are away better than,those of your best suburbs.

Roland SAM of nigeria's type shot down British Tornado jet speed 2,400km/hr in Gulf war.

south africa can continue practicing Umhkonto SAM vs Skua Drone speed 1,000km/hr.

Mike..ZA:
Stop running around ignoring my post. I have proven to you that Denel's G5 and G6 was used to strike targets 40km to 50km away with deadly accuracy. Counter this by showing me how will your army destroy this mighty guns.....I'm asking you this for the forth time.

Mike..ZA:
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces.

i was just ignoring your above foolish post, south africa used the G6 artillery to attack Cuban position that is a fixed target, an unmovable target, a geographically known airport that is available in a high school student's atlas map/textbook.

its location geographical coordiantes are written on public world maps so you dont need drones or recce or spies to find that kind of sitting duck target and shell it. fool

saengine: Again. Not worth my time. It shows you dont even understand your own link. That link says nothing about being able to fire 8 missiles simultaneously which was your original claim. It only says all missiles can be fired (one be one) regardless of where they are placed on the ship. Again you have failed to prove your claim that 8 missiles can be fired simultaneously, and again you have wasted my time.

i know how to help a south african see his own m.ental c.ase at least for a moment.

now to clear the confusion in your tiny b.rain about NNS ARADU firing 8 Otomat missiles simultaneously, i ask you to solve this riddle below, its a small war simulation and i have taught you more than enough on basic war simulation so dont mess this one up again...

south african valour frigate is 100km away from nigerian coast mounting a doomed to fail naval blockade.

nigeria has about 20 Alpha jets including about 12 new upgrades for maritime/sea operations.

valour frigate has 16 umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles to defend itself.

16 Alpha jets attack the valour frigate with air to ground rockets and bombs including napalm.

show us how the valour frigate will defend itself from the above air attack.


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saengine: If your small village brain cant comprehend the fact that technology evolves, then thats not my problem. You seem to be amazed that South Africa has produced a dual purpose missile. Show me which Russian or NATO naval surface to air missile was fired from vertical launch tubes before Umkhonto (reducing the radar cross section of the ship). Show which Russian or NATO surface to air missile had the lock on after launch capability, before Umkhonto. I know for a Nigerian it's almost impossible to understand the concept of being the 1st in the world to develop something.

i had 3 weblink sources in my post, you had zero sources in your post, so why should we believe what you write from the privacy of your bedroom in soweto ? dummy

i say this the 7th time, stop telling fairy tales and show us a weblink source to prove that anti-aircraft missiles (like south africa umkhonto missile) can be used by a warship to defend against sea hugging anti-ship missiles (like nigerian Otomat missile) fired by an enemy warship. simple. show us weblink source to counter my own source...fool

saengine: Dont even begin to compare yourselves to the them. Do you think the anti aircraft batteries that shot down American jets had never test fired their missiles in 30 years like Nigeria? Dont insult people by comparing Nigerian standards to theirs. Those men knew their equipment well and were well trained on it. I dare you, go ask the average Nigerian seaman what Otomat missile even looks like....they wont be able to tell you. 30 years in storage now you want to pretend you have a chance. Just go back to sleep.

Nigeria is richer by far, than Yugolsavia/Serbia a poor and backward European nation that is has anti-aircraft missiles of 1960 generation while nigeria has anti-aircraft missiles of 1980 generation. Serbian air defence is actually 20 years far behind that of nigeria. you just post comments from your pooh pooh hole without any research or brainwork and NO SOURCES AT ALL.....fool

show me source that says Serbia test fires missiles regularly before 1997 when war began to emerge. show me source...fool

your boyfriend and lover @andrewza is the one mis-leading you that missiles stored for 30 years cannot work, i challenged him to post a source to prove that claim and he could not for the past 3 weeks, so you like to follow him into the mud pit because he is your boyfriend and you believe everything he says

@andrewza is the same fool that was posting for many days on this forum that south africa has a satellite in 2013 despite all the sources we nigerian posted to prove him wrong, until @msauza and @fighter pilot later confessed the truth and proved him wrong and fraudulent....thats the man you believe everything he says ? you are two joint fools

i have proved on this forum with the weblink war history source of Bosnia war Serbian SAM-3 Smissile victory over mighty american ultra-modern jet fighters that missiles can work after over 30 years in storage....and i have more proofs i will not waste my time to post for some soweto dumb g.oats

stop posting comments if you have no source to prove your claims, let this forum be a little bit reliable and not mis-informing to people.

saengine: Blow them up with your imaginary Otomat missiles. Lol

show us a source that says nigeria does NOT have any Otomat missiles. simple.

saengine: Keep talking about your imaginary Otomat missiles that haven't been test fired in 30 years. Keep being delusional. I'm done. Have a good day.

there is no military standard rule in the world that says any nation with a 30 year old missile cannot use it.

in bosnia war, yugolsavia/serbia used 30 year old SAM-3 anti aircraft missiles to to shoot down the most advanced american jet fighters including a stealth jet fighter !

i am tired of posting and re-posting the same information. reason why i wish to take a break from this thread soon.


March 27 - An F-117 Nighthawk (Serial Number : 82-0806) stealth ground-attack jet was shot down by a Serbian SA-3 surface-to-air missile during the Kosovo War; the pilot (Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko) survived and was subsequently rescued. As of June 2007, this is the only publicly acknowledged loss of an American military stealth aircraft during combat.

May 1 – An F-16C Fighting Falcon (Serial Number : 88-0550) was shot down by a Yugoslav SA-3 SAM. The aircraft crashes near Šabac, in a rural area of Serbia; the pilot (Lieutenant Colonel David Goldfein) survived and was subsequently rescued.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_combat_losses_of_United_States_military_aircraft_since_the_Vietnam_War

you south africans should stop posting anti-rhino poaching tactics as if its military tactics on this forum

countries with weakest military forces in africa ?

my list not in any ranking order :

Gambia

Comoros

Seychelles

Sao Tome & Principe

Cape verde

Swaziland

some of these countries have no air force combat aircraft and no army tank or artillery...nigerian police can defeat them

army of swaziland in photo below

andrewza: SA is the 16th largest arms seller in the world.

this forum is not about selling weapons but about fighting real war where men d.ie before their God appointed time.

saengine: Utter and complete waste of my time. I'm done with this crap. You can make up imaginary 80% figures in your head if you want, I really don't care anymore. Umkhonto IR was the first VLS IR SAM and also the first to use LOAL. Meaning the fire control and detection system is superior to this imaginary 20% you give it.

I asked you to show me proof that Aradu can fire 8 missiles simultaneously which you have not done. I specifically said please don't just post that it carries 8 missiles which you have done, without showing it can fire all 8 simultaneously which was your initial claim. I specifically said post proof of the fire control radar on the ship which shows it can fire 8 missiles at the same time, which you have not done. Now you talk about ATR Surveyor. Again you have not shown any proof that it can provide the fire control radar to control 8 missiles in a simultaneous attack. No details, no proof, no nothing. You just type paragraph after paragraph thinking you're making sense when you're not.

Keep talking about your imaginary Otomat missiles that haven't been test fired in 30 years. Keep being delusional. I'm done. Have a good day.

when God was distributing free analytical brain capacity to people, you were in the beer club drinking local beer called koeldrank in soweto.

all Otomat missile placed on board a warship can be fired simultaneously by any warship that is configured to carry it, simple fact with source and it does not have to be written exactly using your own words because the source author does not have you in particular in his mind when he wrote this....

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"This allows the ship to fire all missiles against a target regardless of where they are place aboard"

source :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat[/size]


the Germans who build NNS ARADU knows it carries 8 Otomat anti-ship missiles for nigeria and it has to be fired according to Otomat engineered standar i quoted above, the Germans are not fools like you south africans, thats why you go to them to buy valour frigates and type 209 submarines because their German brains are superior to yours.

the germans have put on NNS ARADU, the fire control radar that matches the required standard of Otomat missile simultaneous firing, maybe just seconds apart in timing.

if you say any other thing, then you need urgent Trado-Medical help for your B.rain, you may be under serious local W.itchcraft 'thinking faculty' attack.

i posted world standard weapons used to stop anti-ship missiles, with source, and anti-aircraft missiles is NOT an option to be used. if you have become a navy admiral, please prove it to us that you have invented new sea warfare tactics that even NATO navy admirals do not know

my source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile



show me any source, war history, weblink, combat records, military publications, news report or any other credible source that says...anti-aircraft missiles (like south african umkhonto missile) are weapons to use for a warship's defence against sea skimming anti-ship missile launched from the sea surface by a warship...show me....fool

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Mike..ZA:
Nigerians are sub species of humans,pure monkeys!!!!!!!!!!. When we(south Africans) tell you something you ask for sources and links. When we put links,pastes and "sources". You(Nigerians) say something meaningless like "omo the your copy and paste brain na big". In South Africa "Omo" is a washing powder. I challenged you monkeys to prove how will your ground forces destroy the G5 and G6 guns,which can take out your Rolands in from 40km to 50km away. Like the sam-8 during the bush war.

you were very luck i was too busy at work yesterday. i read your many foolish posts that look like an anti-rhio poacher bush ranger trying to plan a military operation at international level. you are a mumu and mugu at the same time with some maga tendencies in your medula oblongata.

distance for 70km adavantage for south african G6 artillery has been proved many time to be a waste in realities of war.

why did south africa not defeat and crush tiny Cuba nation with this your 70km range G6 artillery during the bush war ?

south africa should have k.illed all the 50,000 cuban soldiers then, and take over angola, but no ! with your long range artillery cuba almost surrounded south african army in pincer attack formation and your best times best era apartheid army saw incoming defeat and begged for peace negotiation just like your current ANC ex-guerrilla weakened plus HIV infected army in CAR begged Seleka rebels for safe passage to hide under the ampit of french soldiers who saved your cowardly lives

if G6 70km wasted artillery range will win a war, the whole world would have bought it in thousands and dumped all other artillery guns with 24km range into the sea bottom. only 150 units of GV6 artillery has been sold in 25 years of production, because all army generals who went to military academy know that the excess range is very unnecessary in real war because you wont see the enemy territory and you wont find details of their weapons positions posted on internet like DENEL weapons list

in jungle warfare and urban warfare, artillery targeting is as difficult as an elephant climbing a mountain.

south africa cannot even fight jungle warfare, so you just send a few men this year to Brazil to learn jungle warfare from a country that has zero combat experience, Brazil is only experienced in football game, you fools

nigerian army is master of bush warfare in africa and one of the best in the world today. from burma, to biafra, to liberia, to sierra leone, to niger delta...we are the most experienced in africa.

artillery is best used at closed ranges 5km to 20km where you can have a better idea of where the enemy weapons are by chance or some foolishness of the enemy like Cuba that has zero war history before fighting south africa and holding you down to a 'goal less' draw.

you say south african recce soldiers will go into the jungle andgypy spy nigerian army Roland SAM and artillery gun locations inside nigerian army occupied territory. so what will nigerian soldiers be doing ? sleeping so that south african soldiers can enter their territory and collect information ?

nigerian army snipers in the tree tops will eat your recce and special forces for breakfast

if you say you can spy on nigeria, then nigeria can spy on you too and know your positions of heavy weapons.

nigeria has spy technology 10 times better than south africa, soweto land has no single spy satellite

nigeria has 3 satellites and many spy balloons to track all enemy movements and you will not know nigerian army is watching you from a far away distance, this is one of the main reasons why nigeria is the second best military in africa after Egypt, you came late to this thread, see photo below of a similar spy balloon that nigerian army has manufactured but south africa does not have any and DENEL has no plan to make one.....

you say south africa will use Drones to spy nigerian army positions. i have told that your c.o.c.o.n.u.t head that nigerian air defences will shoot down all south african slow speed Drones with Type 90 anti-aircraft guns or Roland anti-arcraft missiles, you this buffoon

nigeria too has Drones Amebo III that can spy on south africa. what makes you think that in war only you will be doing the actions and no reaction from nigeria ?

see, let me tell you point blank, south africa's tiny 30,000 man mainly untested army will be completely surrounded, totally envelope, and fully swallowed up by nigeria's huge 120,000 man battle tested army with the best war tactics in Africa.

why did i even reply you ? i am just wasting my time repeating what i have posted for your fellow south african dummies many times on this forum. please stop wasting our time, find some new ideas to post.

Mike..ZA:
The French air carrier is still in services. And oh what will Nigeria use to sink French destroyers and Frigates? NN Aradu?. Let me be clear with you,all your air bases can be destroyed within a single night. Making way for ships like the Mistral Class,to bring in attack helos like the Tiger to deal with your armour.

Mike..ZA:
For you to say the French air craft carrier is obsolete,is a bit of a joke. Cause this ship was commissioned in 1994.

patriot4: You are the one in delusion. Just tell me how much North Korea spends on defence.
Yet you agree they will defeat a french invading force without much difficulty, right ?

As I have stated before, Vietnam and Algeria have beaten the french army whle they had no armies.
I am not comparing the french navy to the Nigerian navy, I am stating a fact that is strategically and logically educated: The Nigerian armed forces have the capacity to protect their waters and their land and the french armed forces do not have the capacity to attack the FRN.By the way I am writing you from Paris, I have friends in the french armed forces and in the Nigerian armed forces (very close friends) Now I have to go and read so don't expect a further reply from me.

south african fool ! according to the former president of France, the country's only air craft carrier is a "Half Aircraft Carrier"

the nuclear engine component is leaking dangerous radioactive material...

On 16 September 2001, the French press reported slightly higher than acceptable radioactivity levels aboard Charles de Gaulle, thought to be caused by a faulty isolation element. It was later discovered that the radioactivity levels matched the design, but that the regulations concerning acceptable radioactivity levels had changed. While the United States was preparing its response to the September 11, 2001 attacks in the form of Operation Enduring Freedom, French media complained about the lack of deployable French military power. At the same time, the Defence Commission reported the maintenance of the Fleet to be substandard. In this context, Charles de Gaulle, then under repairs, was again an object of criticism, with former President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing describing it as a "half-aircraft-carrier".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_aircraft_carrier_Charles_de_Gaulle_(R91)#Trials_and_technical_problems

france doe not have current military capacity to deploy in a major military offensive against a distant country like nigeria alone without NATO support, read the quote above, the french people said it.

france can wipe out Mali rebels, not nigerian army. the french will be drowned if they land on nigerian swampy coasts and creeks, they wont know the difference between land and bogland, water and mud, snake creeks and crocodile streams.

see photo below, the white men avoid jungle warfare, more french white soldiers will d.ie from mosquito bite/malaria infection that nigerian AK-47 bullets.

by the way, can we nigerians also post comments about south africa vs china war ? why nigeria vs france ?

ordinary north korea will wipe out south africa, see photo below.

you are just a noise making buffoon who has a laptop to browse internet in soweto

nigerian coasts, natural d.eath trap for french invaders

https://www.earthtimes.org/newsimage/smallcarbon-grasped-mangrove-roots-vastly-underestimated_54.jpg

north korean army too much for south africa, lets not even say china vs south africa.

[img]http://english.ahram.org.eg/Media/News/2012/10/6/2012-634851164063889721-388.jpg[/img]

blackchris: dude i am chris(every username that has chris including 2smooth) and i've been following this thread for a year plus now. i have many accounts on nairaland cos my job allows me to have minimum of 6 emails.

you started the issue of sanctions if Nigeria goes to war with SA, since you've seen how your military is powerless against Nigerian. thereby, giving SA a edge cos you manage to mass produce MRAPS and R4 rifles with some artillery guns.

now before i go ahead with you, i've been asking you to present such a resolution cos the UN is not just an organisation you just take to a beer parlor discussion.

is that military enough for you? come on boy, you started. you should be able to see it through.

you know there's nothing bad in accepting your ignorance in some levels

i posted few days ago, evidence of arms sales log showing ethiopia and eritrea buying SU-27 Flanker fighter jets and Mig 29 Jets almost every year of the Badme war 1998-2000, the jets arrived complete with russian and ukranian pilots to fly them. where was UN at that time ? sleeping ? no sanctions !

south africa cannot win any war with DENEL weapons because its main heavy weapons are all imported and need spare parts from Europe, i am tired of posting this comment the 7th time for these south african dummies

Gripen Jet Fighter, Sweden

Hawk Jet, Britain

Valour Frigate Warship, Germany

Type 209 Sumbarine, Germany

Half French Rooivalk Helicopter Gunship, France (Engine)

Half Finland's product Bagder IFV (Not yet in service) Finland (Engine and Chassis/Body/Electronics/Armaments)

UN sanctions will weaken south africa too, remove all the above weapons due to lack of support from manufacturers in Europe and see Angola, Eritrea, or Uganda defeat south africa in one week

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CraigB: What a monkey. As if I want to talk to you.

I will respond to any post I want to respond t. You don't have to respond.

Is this not you below?

Is "built" not the same as "manufacture"?

You're a baboon.

build

Verb

Meaning

Construct (something, typically something large) by putting parts or material together over a period of time.

Synonyms of build
verb. construct - erect - make - raise - rear - found
noun. frame - structure - figure - construction - constitution

source : https://www.google.ca/search?q=build+meaning&oq=build+mea&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3j69i62l2.7993j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

so between you and i, who is the 33% brain Baboon now ? ;

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Fighter Pilot: Here under is the American plane which was used by Israel to integrate its technology to South Africas upgraded Cheetah to fight Cuban MiG-23:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir

i have known that information over ten years ago. do you want me to lecture you on that topic ?

do you know israeli Lavi jet fighter ?

goodnight my small boy toy soldier

Mike..ZA:
The British Challenger Main battle tank holds the record for destroy an Iraqi tank 5km away. Unless Nigerian doesn't have the technology to design target sites,but 5,5km is the maximum distance in the battlefield. That's why the South African Ingwe missile has 5,5km range.

good you have now admitted that about 5.5km is a realistic land battlefield distance, not the wasted 70km range of south african G6 artillery that 99% of world armies have decided to ignore and not buy. say thank you to me for opening your blind eyes

by the way, that was desert war you used as example in Iraq 5.5km possible.

now how does that 5.5km range work in a jungle warfare zone ? see photo below

https://d1.static.dvidshub.net/media/thumbs/photos/1007/295347/450x300_q75.jpg


also how does a 5.5km range work in urban city warfare zone where ordinary rebels d.estroy army tanks of super powers like Russia. watch Syrian army vs rebels below in video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhCdXDGCEFM

Mike..ZA:
Post-war followed Project Klooster, a new target
acquisition and fire control system that built on
the lessons learnt in Angola and Namibia -
"especially the problem of observation and target
fixation," Wilsworth adds. The Artillery Target
Engagement System (ATES) that resulted and is
only now coming into service includes:
the Basic Artillery Observation System (man
portable observation post equipment),
the Enhanced Artillery Observation System (Ratel
mounted sensors for day and night observation
etc),
the Gun Muzzle velocity analyzer for G5 and 6,
the Vulture Unmanned Air Vehicle Observation
System,
fire control computers,
artillery command computers,
digital communications for the artillery, and
and the S700 meteorological system.

show us how that will make you see enemy weapons hidding behind 5 storey buildings 50km away.

your targeting device turns around street corners in a city 30km to 70km far away ? like a twisting snake ? even a targeting radar cannot do that.

show us how it will see enemy weapons in a cleared 12 feet spot in a thick jungle like congo DRC 50km away.

your artillery targeting device has become a spiritual flying demon that moves like lightning and sees through obstacles and thick jungle ? there are too many of your type in south africa, fool, mugu

i wont reply your foolish posts again because you dont know what a battlefield is in reality

https://d1.static.dvidshub.net/media/thumbs/photos/1206/612015/450x321_q75.jpg

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CraigB: Your beettle was assembled in Naai-geria, idi0t.

You didn't even have the smarts to check the link that you gave to us when you spoke about the air beetle?

fool. i have read that link many times and used it many times on this thread. show me where i said it was not assembled but manufactured in nigeria, the word built is not the same as manufacture. when you put concrete or cement blocks together after buying them from the brick maker, the world says you have built a house....which you actually assembled.

you need more of your mama's milk sucking to grow better brain cells

i dont want to keep talking to you, you just waste my time, i never gained anything from your posts.

Mike..ZA:
I have proven to you that the G5,G6,T5 and G7 can take out your anti craft system on the ground,from distances ranging from 30km to 70km. Now prove to me how your armed forces,can destroy such systems with your "limited air capabilities".

are you a soldier, policeman, anti-poaching ranger, or total civilian ?

human eye limit of sight is about 3km, with binoculars aid about 12km. so from 30km to 70km away how do you target the enemy nigerian anti-aircraft weapons and know exactly where they are ? you came late to this thread so dont waste my time, let me show you how enemy weapons are hidden in bushes/camouflagues/behind buildings away from your eyes 30km to 70km away...fool

Fighter Pilot: You know what I am such a busy buddy. I cannot do everything for you everytime as if you are a high school student, because sometimes is necessary to vibrate your brain cells by just using a google search icon. Spoon feeding is not a way, anyway wikipedia is your friend.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Cheetah

I hope you will find it user friendly and discover that Cheetah C was, infact the only model of Cheetahs that was not build from Mirage airframe. This is what we have been taught ever since we joined the Airforce.

Does it hurt you to find out that actually Cheetah C is the only model that was not build from Mirage airframe.

hahaha i knew that if you quote the source you will s.hoot yourself in the foot

see what your own source says in the paragraph titled DEVELOPMENT...

QUOTE :

"Most leading aviation publications believe that Israel Aircraft Industries was involved in at least the initial stages of the upgrade, and that some of the upgrades components were sourced from Israel, though the SAAF refuses to either confirm or deny such speculation. However, considering the close ties in defence industry research between South Africa and Israel at the time, such co-operation on the Cheetah program seems likely. Sixteen of the SAAF's 27 Mirage IIIDZ/D2Z aircraft were converted to Cheetah D standard, 16 of its Mirage IIIEZ aircraft were converted to Cheetah E standard, but no South African Mirage airframes were used for the 38 Cheetah Cs."

SOURCE :

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Cheetah


Israel was the one that built the Cheetah Jet upgrades for south africa and was hiding the information due to the apartheid stigma.

Cheetah Jets are actually Israeli products and brainwork in a south african camouflage. south africa built no jets

the longer this thread goes on, the deeper our nigerian microscope goes into south africa's tiny s_hit h_ole


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Msauza: @Agaugust- Nigeria has never even tried anything nor even to copy design of any plane

nigerian air beetle trainer aircraft built in nigeria.

http://malaysiaflyingherald./2013/01/23/made-in-nigeria-trainer-and-uav/

air beetle is the first...photo below

[img]http://malaysiaflyingherald.files./2013/01/naf-076rv-6aairbeetle.jpg[/img]



AFIT-FARAWA aircraft is the next coming made in nigeria aircraft, no photo yet, it is code-named and secret for now.


He added, "The pilots are making significant progress in their training and they now conduct some of their training flights with the NAF AMEBO 11 in preparation for the test flight of the AMEBO 111 and its subsequent series. The institute is also currently working on a project on the development of an indigenous primary trainer aircraft code-named AFIT FARAWA"

http://allafrica.com/stories/201307231128.html
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Mike..ZA:
Let's talk about how South Africa can destroy or crush,the entire Nigerian army with 2 batteries of the G5+ 2 batteries of the G6 howitzers.

same way south africa used that same G6 howitzer to crush the entire Cuban army in Angolan bush war by rushing to the peace negotiation table to beg Cuba for settlement ?

i feel like exiting this thread of fools