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Msauza:
I repeat Nigeria has never exchange fire with any country other than a long list of peace keeping and enforcement mission under either UN or AU in collaboration with other Countries.

since that Epic post from @patriot4 finally put nail to the coffin of your usual false claim that nigeria never fought war against any country, and your shame multiplied seven fold and you feel like d.ying now with envy, i will help you to d.ie quicker with a few extracts for you to read and cry



In April 1983, elements of the Nigerian Army’s 21 Armoured Brigade of the 3 Armoured Division and the Nigerian Air Force’s Tactical Air Command stationed in the far northeastern city of Maiduguri launched combined military operations to dislodge units of the Chadian military who had invaded and occupied 19 Nigerian islands on the Lake Chad which straddles their common border. The Nigerians counterattacked and reclaimed all 19 islands and went further to occupy 32 islands on the Chadian side. Those Chadian islands were eventually given up by the Nigerians.



In May 1987, Cameroonian security forces similarly invaded and occupied sixteen Nigerian communities near their shared frontier. They were were ultimately beaten back by elements of the Nigerian Army’s 3 Armoured Division stationed in remote Borno and the affected territories repossessed.


In December 1993, elements of the 13 Amphibious Brigade of the Nigerian Army’s 82 Division, invaded the Bakassi Peninsula straddling their common frontier with Cameroon. Thus began a 15-year long militarily opposed occupation of what is now Cameroonian territory which ultimately ended in 2008.



At about the same time as Nigerian troops invaded the Bakassi Peninsula, thirty three(33) communities on the Cameroonian side of the Lake Chad to the Far North were occupied by as many as 70,000 Nigerian citizens who had emigrated from the Nigerian side of the frontier where the Lake Chad waters had receded and established 33 settlements on the Cameroonian side of the shared frontier. All attempts by Cameroonian forces, which peaked in 1994-5,which were aimed at reclaiming the said 33 communities were repulsed by elements of the 3 Armoured Division’s 21 Brigade. These communities only reverted to Cameroonian sovereignty under the terms of the Green Tea Agreement which settled the myriad of contentious issues between Nigeria and Cameroon.


SOURCE : http://beegeagle./2011/08/26/chronicle-of-nigerian-military-engagements-1959-2011/

both military forces of cameroon and chad all retreated after battle with the great nigerian army, champions of africa, they did not want to d.ie to the last man.

"who won test d heavy weight champion...." Song By Tuface

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Donian007: ATTENTION: NIGERIA SHUNS AND PETITIONS UNITED NATIONS, WITHDRAWS TROOPS IN PROTEST www.vanguardngr.com/2013/07/troops-withdrawal-from-mali-nigeria-petitions-ban-ki-moon-un-sec-gen/ www.thisdaylive.com/articles/real-reason-why-nigeria-is-withdrawing-troops-from-mali/153930/ THE TRUTH!

[size=16pt]why nigeria pulls out 70% of its military forces in mali[/size]

QUOTE :

"Contrary to the mis-conception that the Federal Government of Nigeria is withdrawing its troops from the United Nations, UN, peace-keeping force in Mali because of pressing security challenges at home, Sunday Vanguard has authoritatively learnt that the action is a protest against the UN for naming a Rwandan army general as the force commander instead of a Nigerian officer.

Indications have emerged that the Federal Government and particularly the country’s military are no longer comfortable with the politics being associated with the United Nations peacekeeping operations in West Africa.

This is said to be the real reason behind the recent request for the withdrawal of most of the country’s troops from peace support operations in Mali.

The Federal Government had confirmed that more than two-third of the over 1000 troops deployed in Mali would be withdrawn.

The height of what was viewed in official circles as UN politics skewed against Nigeria was the appointment of Rwanda's Major-General Jean Bosco Kazura to command UN Multi-dimensional Integrated Stabilisation Mission in Mali (MNUSMA).

The source clarified that Nigeria did not have anything against Kazura but felt aggrieved over the growing trend of being used by the UN to "do all the dirty jobs without getting any glory or recognition for it".

The source said: "We feel cheated by the UN who used us to do all the dirty works in Mali only to now dump us. We feel aggrieved, cheated and disappointed, to say the least".

Further investigations revealed that even though the Federal Government needed to withdraw the troops to strengthen its forces against the Boko Haram insurgents and combat other internal crises rocking the country, the action was an indirect protest against UN treatment of Nigerian contributions in peacekeeping operations.

The source added: "You remember what happened in Sierra Leone, after our troops had done the major thing, won the war, secured the peace. First came the British to take the glory and then an Indian Lt-Gen. Vijay Jetly was given the command of the operations by the UN. Now they are bringing one Maj-Gen from Rwanda after using us to do the dirty work.

In terms of hardware contribution, the Nigeria Air Force deployed two Dassault-Breguet Dornier Alpha fighter jets and two Mi-35 Helicopters, the C-130 transport Hercules and the medium carrier, the G222, VBL armoured vehicles, Sagaie wheeled light tanks, Scorpion 90mm gun tanks, its brand new BTR-3U infantry fighting vehicles, plus unmanned land recce Drones among others.

"It is an issue of racism and feeling that Nigeria should not be made to feel powerful. It is totally about the disdain for the blackman".

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www.vanguardngr.com/2013/07/troops-withdrawal-from-mali-nigeria-petitions-ban-ki-moon-un-sec-gen/

www.thisdaylive.com/articles/real-reason-why-nigeria-is-withdrawing-troops-from-mali/153930/


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patriot4: enjoy:

On the evidence of its recorded engagements, it would be correct to state that the Nigerian military have comparatively been very active since the time of their transformation from a colonial military outfit to national armed forces.

Whereas most of these operations have centred on the Nigerian Army, the Nigerian Civil War, the 15-year long expedition in the Bakassi Peninsula, ongoing counterinsurgency operations in the Niger Delta and in North-eastern Nigeria and the ECOMOG interventions in Liberia and Sierra Leone have been coordinated tri-service operations, involving the Nigerian Army(NA), Nigerian Navy(NN) and Nigerian Air Force(NAF). The Nigerian Air Force similarly participated in Military Operations Other Than War(MOOTW) against Maitatsine elements in Kano and Maiduguri, against the Taliban in the Mandara Mountains and in Panshekara and are active with the Special Task Force – Operation Safe Haven on the Jos Plateau while the Nigerian Navy were deeply involved in the management of the Ijaw – Itsekiri crises in the Warri metropolitan area. Both services, where they maintain a presence, have over the course of several decades actively cooperated with the Nigerian Army in Internal Security Operations (ISOs) geared towards restoring peace to various parts of the volatile federation.

Broadly speaking, the levels of action and/or intervention undertaken by the Nigerian military since 1959-60 when Nigeria became self-governing and thereafter independent, can be broadly categorised as follows:

i. Civil War (internal)/Amphibious/Urban Counterinsurgency Operations – such as the unfortunate orgy of violence that was the Nigerian Civil War, the Niger Delta insurgency and the Boko Haram insurgency in the Northeast.

ii Civil War (external)/Amphibious/Urban Counterinsurgency Operations – such as the ECOMOG interventions in the Liberian, Sierra Leonean and Somali Civil Wars in the 1990s which involved fighting in the Fully Built-Up areas that are Monrovia, Freetown and Mogadishu, fighting in towns and villages in the hinterland and amphibious landings and operations in the marshes around Monrovia and Lungi.

iii. Military Operations Other Than War: These ordinarily ought to be classed as internal security operations but for the fact of their severity or long drawn-out nature.

Examples of MOOTW can be found in the sporadic Maitatsine uprisings of
1980-85, the most serious of which was the Kano episode thereof which lasted between 18 December 1980 and 3 January 1981 and led to the deaths of 4,177 persons. That uprising was put down by the 146 Battalion under the command of a certain Major (later Brigadier General) Haliru Akilu, himself a Kano native. The said 146 Battalion was itself a unit of Colonel (later Major General) Yohanna Yerima Kure’s 3 Mechanised Brigade. In the management of the Kano episode of the 1980s-era Maitatsine uprisings, the Nigerian Army and the Nigerian Air Force cooperated to bring the crisis in the inland city where the Navy maintain no presence, to a bloody conclusion.

In September 2004, the self-styled Taliban staged attacks against police personnel and installations in Northeastern Nigeria and attempted to establish a highland stronghold in the Mandara Mountains straddling the Nigeria-Cameroon frontier in the Far Northeast. It took military action, with NAF helicopter gunships in tow and the use of armour to neutralise the determined zealots after they had gained a foothold in the highlands.

Later in April 2007, elements of the 3 Motorised Brigade of the 1 Mechanised Infantry Division battled entrenched insurgents in the town of Panshekara near Kano where they had mounted a challenge against the authority of the State and instituted a brief reign of terror.

Another example of MOOTW – Nigerian style, can be found in the Boko Haram uprising across a 500-mile belt of Nigeria’s Far North in July 2009 which left an estimated 800 persons dead, spanned a period of one week and saw the airlift of crack troops from Jos and Calabar who formed the core assault group which flattened the Boko Haram stronghold and captured the leader of the group and handed him over to the Nigeria Police. Strange and unfortunate things happened to the enigmatic fellow thereafter, which really ought not to have happened.

Other examples of MOOTW include the Ijaw-Itsekiri conflict in Warri (1996-97 and 2002-3), Tiv-Jukun conflict in the eastern flank of Central Nigeria in the early 2000s and the ongoing Jos conflict which has seen rival ethnic militia using improvised explosive devices (IEDs) and hand grenades and mounting hit-and-run/ride-by attacks against one another. All of these spanned or have dragged on for a minimum of two years.

iv. Internal Security Operations (ISOs): Within the context of our peculiar categorisation and weighed against the backdrop of Nigeria’s long history of insurgencies, ethnoreligious violence and inter-communal conflicts, these are more routine operations undertaken in aid to civil authorities but which have been typically very violent and have variously resulted in hundreds, sometimes thousands of deaths on account of mindless acts of violence and a total breakdown of law and order.

These include, but are not limited to, the Tiv and Western Nigeria crises of 1962-1965, the post-election violence of 1983 in Western Nigeria, Ife-Modakeke conflict of the late 1990s, the 2000 Sharia crisis in Kaduna which claimed thousands of lives. The Nigerian Army also had to intervene in Yelwa-Shendam, Jos and Kano in 2004 to restore peace after well over a thousand persons had been killed in ethnoreligious violence between Hausa muslims and indigenous Christian peoples in the central highlands and reprisal killings which followed in Hausa muslim-dominated Kano thereafter. So serious was the violence that a rare state of emergency was declared in Plateau State.

Some years later, serious ethnoreligious violence broke out and reprisal killings followed thereafter and across broad swathes of Northern and Eastern Nigeria in that order, occasioned by perceived indiscretion on the part of a Danish cartoonist in 2006. In 2011, post-election violence again broke out in some disaffected segments of Northern Nigeria leading to the deaths of over 800 deaths. It took the intervention of the Nigerian Army to restore normalcy to the restive parts of the federation.

These aforementioned MOOTW and ISOs have for good reason been differentiated from the Civil War and amphibious and urban counterinsurgency operations as represented by the Niger Delta and Boko Haram insurgencies.

As a prelude to the spotlight on foreign engagements, it might be necessary to state at this juncture that the Nigerian Army have since the country’s attainment of self-governing status in 1959 (prior to full independence in 1960) been very active in peacekeeping operations outside the country and more consequentially, in PEACE ENFORCEMENT which has typically implied fighting to win the peace.

Beginning in 1959, the NA (then known as the Queen’s Own Nigerian Regiment – QONR) intervened to create a buffer zone and to secure the UN Trust Territory of British Southern Cameroons which was at the time administered in association with and as part of the Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria by the British.

According to “The Bakassi Story II” published by dawodu.com, “in October that year(1959), the Enugu based 1st Queens Own Nigeria Regiment (1QONR) was temporarily deployed to Southern Cameroons for “Training”. However, ‘Union des Populations Camerounaises’(UPC)sympathizers in Bamenda viewed this as a counter-insurgency deployment in support of the hated French colonial administration.

In early 1960, responding to more violence in the area, the 1QONR again returned to Bamenda area in full force, followed shortly thereafter by the 4QONR from Ibadan who were deployed further south to Kumba near the coast. The 5QONR and 3QONR later replaced both battalions respectively – followed later by the 2QONR. This show of military force did not endear Nigeria to certain opinion leaders in the local population.

Therefore, the Southern Cameroons (inclusive of the Bakassi Peninsula), which was now under separate direct British rule as a
trusteeship territory, asked Nigerian troops to leave. A British Battalion replaced them.

However, 1QONR, supported by the new recce unit of the newly-independent Nigerian Army were then deployed in an internal security precaution along the frontier to prevent spill-over of violence. The old Anglo-German border of 1913 was resurveyed at this time by Nigerian military foot patrols to confirm the location of old beacons and new Police Posts were constructed along it for clarity.

Writing in a 30th August, 2003 commentary in the British newspaper, “The Telegraph”, J.F Bailey, a former overseas civil servant who served with the Colonial Office in British Southern Cameroons wrote “when Cameroons suffered terrorism in the 1950s and 1960s, the Nigerian Army, the King’s Own Borderers and the Grenadier Guards sorted out the terrorists and maintained safety for the native people.”

Again commenting in a riposte titled “Cameroon Concerns” and published in the “Telegraph” edition of 31st August, 2003, Eric Cowell of Wicken, Cambs. wrote “The Cameroons were technically a UN trusteeship, administered by Britain through Nigeria. There were terrorists in the French Cameroon, and it certainly was the Nigerian Army that first arrived to deter terrorists from crossing into Southern Cameroon. The tented Nigerian Army camp was located on what was then the Bamenda Agricultural Showground and Race Track. The Nigerian soldiers were replaced by the King’s Own Royal Border Regiment, who were later replaced by the Grenadier Guards, who lost at least one man in a terrorist ambush.”

By a twist of fate, the Nigerian Army was to return to the same precincts several decades later, albeit as part of an independent La Republic du Cameroun, with the December 1993 invasion of the disputed Bakassi Peninsula. The NA remained on the Peninsula with its peak deployment reportedly put at 3,000 troops, until the 2008 withdrawal under the tenets of the Green Tea Agreement which awarded the territory to Cameroon.

Since the attainment of Nigerian independence in 1960, the QONR (as it remained until the attainment of republican status in 1963) in November 1960 deployed to Congo-Leopoldville as part of the UN mission and the nature of that intervention was largely that of peace enforcement as is the case with today’s MONUC in the DR Congo.

Indeed, in his book titled “Nzeogwu”, General Olusegun Obasanjo who served in Bukavu in Kivu Province and in the Katanga Province of the Congo, offers a narrative of military altercations which his unit had with Katangese gendarmes allied to the secessionist cause in Katanga. They had to fight to keep the peace. The NA remained in the Congo until 1964.

Some other famous Nigerian military officers who served in the Congo include but are not limited to Major Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu (who led the first-ever Nigerian military coup d’etat in January 1966), Generals Murtala Muhammed and Sani Abacha (both former Nigerian military dictators) and General T.Y Danjuma, a former Nigerian Army chief and one-time Defence Minister.

It is interesting to note that during the Nigerian Civil War, the comparatively higher-level of professionalism in the operations of 1 Infantry Division was believed to have largely stemmed from the fact that the division had the thickest assemblage of veterans who saw action in World War II, Congo and in the British Cameroons. This reality set them apart from the mostly hastily-trained raw recruits in other army divisions who only gained combat experience as the Nigerian Civil War progressed grimly.

Peace enforcement/intervention missions as earlier on stated which, in effect, saw the NA being involved in full-blown combat operations include the ECOMOG interventions in Liberia and Sierra Leone during the 1990-2000 epoch and the UNOSOM II intervention which was led by the Americans in the 1992-94 era.

v. FOREIGN OPERATIONS:

Since the 1960s and after the expeditions to the British Cameroons and the ONUC intervention in the Congo in the 1960s which were variously of a counterinsurgency and peace enforcement nature and the 3-year long Nigerian Civil War which saw Nigeria’s emergence as the first African country to win a Civil War (a war which has been described as Africa’s first modern war), the Nigerian Army have deployed to numerous foreign theatres of operation for peacekeeping, observer missions and bilateral security operations as follows:

*BILATERAL SPECIAL TRAINING AND SECURITY MISSION IN TANZANIA – 1964

*BILATERAL SPECIAL PROTECTION FORCE IN SIERRA LEONE. 1991-97

*NIGERIAN NEUTRAL FORCE, CHAD (BILATERAL) 1979

*OAU PEACEKEEPING FORCE, CHAD 1981-82

* UNSF, NEW GUINEA – 1962-63

* UNIPOM, INDO-PAKISTAN 1965-66

* UNIFIL, LEBANON 1978-82

* UNIMOG, IRAN-IRAQ 1988-91

*UNTAG, NAMIBIA 1991

*UNAVEM 1, ANGOLA, 1991

*UNTAC, CAMBODIA 1992-93

*UNOSOM II, SOMALIA 1992

*UNPROFOR, YUGOSLAVIA 1992

*UNOMOZ, MOZAMBIQUE 1992

*UNAVEM II & III, ANGOLA 1991-95

*UNASOG, AOUZOU STRIP (CHAD) 1994

*UNAMIR, RWANDA – 1993

*ECOMOG TASK FORCE IN SIERRA LEONE, 1997-99

*UNAMSIL – 1999-2004

*ECOMIL – LIBERIA 2003

*MONUC, DR CONGO, 2003-2005

*UNMIL – LIBERIA 2003 – DATE

*AFRICAN MISSION IN DARFUR – 2004-2008

*UN-AU MISSION IN DARFUR – 2008 TILL DATE

*UNMIS, SUDAN – 2005 – July 2011

*MINURCAT, CHAD-CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC. 2007 – DATE

*UNMISS, SOUTH SUDAN wef 2011

vi. STATE-ON-STATE MILITARY ACTION

In April 1983, elements of the Nigerian Army’s 21 Armoured Brigade of the 3 Armoured Division and the Nigerian Air Force’s Tactical Air Command stationed in the far northeastern city of Maiduguri launched combined military operations to dislodge units of the Chadian military who had invaded and occupied 19 Nigerian islands on the Lake Chad which straddles their common border. The Nigerians counterattacked and reclaimed all 19 islands and went further to occupy 32 islands on the Chadian side. Those Chadian islands were eventually given up by the Nigerians.

In May 1987, Cameroonian security forces similarly invaded and occupied sixteen Nigerian communities near their shared frontier. They were were ultimately beaten back by elements of the Nigerian Army’s 3 Armoured Division stationed in remote Borno and the affected territories repossessed.

In December 1993, elements of the 13 Amphibious Brigade of the Nigerian Army’s 82 Division, invaded the Bakassi Peninsula straddling their common frontier with Cameroon. Thus began a 15-year long militarily opposed occupation of what is now Cameroonian territory which ultimately ended in 2008.

At about the same time as Nigerian troops invaded the Bakassi Peninsula, thirty three(33) communities on the Cameroonian side of the Lake Chad to the Far North were occupied by as many as 70,000 Nigerian citizens who had emigrated from the Nigerian side of the frontier where the Lake Chad waters had receded and established 33 settlements on the Cameroonian side of the shared frontier. All attempts by Cameroonian forces, which peaked in 1994-5,which were aimed at reclaiming the said 33 communities were repulsed by elements of the 3 Armoured Division’s 21 Brigade. These communities only reverted to Cameroonian sovereignty under the terms of the Green Tea Agreement which settled the myriad of contentious issues between Nigeria and Cameroon.
http://beegeagle./2011/08/26/chronicle-of-nigerian-military-engagements-1959-2011/

The Bakassi peninsula is currently occupied by the military forces of Nigeria, which has said it will continue to defend the rights of its citizens living in the swampy land mass jutting out into the oil-rich waters of the Gulf of Guinea.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2481903.stm

this post finally silences the noise maker south africans like @msauza and @fighter pilot

[size=16pt] the above post is Epic ! this is Sparta ! copy goes into my private library...copyright goes to @Patriot4 [/size]

celebration 150 years of nigerian army's existence, its men and women display physical strength....power show !!!!!
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drag_on: global seecurity suggest we got 2 su25's this year,but am not sure of the validity of that,so ill wait until i can confirm that.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/air-force-equipment.htm

SIPRI.org weapons transfer database says the same thing but we have not seen the jets on ground. new information from china says china has just delivered about 20 days ago 6 units of the 12 units new supersonic speed L-15 falcon advanced 4.5 generation jet trainer/ground attack aircraft to an african country. russia's moscow news suspects it is nigeria, but we have to wait because zambia too signed for L-15 jets. america too is for the first time meeting with china to consider buying large numbers of this same L-15 jet.

lets wait for full news from china as president jonathan just signed new weapons sales to nigeria from china during his visit this month

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drag_on: The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) has received the second ATR 42MP surveillance aircraft, after it has been configured to a maritime patrol aircraft by Alenia Aeronautica.
It will be used by the NAF for patrolling missions, such as reconnaissance, Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) control and search and rescue (SAR) operations.
Powered by PW 127E engine and 568F six-blade Hamilton propellers, the 42MP has a maximum cruise speed of 280 KTAS.
The aircraft is equipped with a SELEX developed ATOS (Airborne Tactical Observation and Surveillance System) mission system.
Stations for mission operators, calculators and displays to control the mission, as well as main sensors such as search radar and electro-optical devices are also included.
The installation and integration of the aircraft systems and sensors, to transform it into maritime patrol configuration, was carried out at Alenia's Turin-Caselle site.
The configuration was carried out as part of a $73m contract signed in 2007.
The contract also includes a provision for the necessary training for pilots and operators, delivery of a series of ground equipment (Ground Support Equipment) and spare parts necessary to ensure the airplane’s efficiency and reliability for patrol missions.
The air force is also working on details of a new long-range strike programme.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/news81336.html

thanks bros. its interesting to know this about nigerian air force....

The air force is also working on details of a new long-range strike programme.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/news81336.html

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Msauza: Brazil fought against Paraguay in South American war.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/08/eliza-lynch-paraguay-brazil

your own source says "The war ended in 1870 with Brazil battered and Paraguay destroyed: "

we are talking modern wars with modern day weapons not ancient musket rifles with gunpowder you dunce

by the way which type of university did you graduate from ? on-line distance learning program for disadvantaged blacks ?

Msauza: I have visited many places from libraries to military museums and even browsed the net in attempt to research about the combat history of Nigeria as independent country. I have wanted to find out if Nigeria had ever exchanged fire in its history of existence with any country other than being used as mercenary by their former colonists. Unfortunately, I could not find any, hence I am appealing to everyone who might be having reliable sources to help in this regard.

sure you know the truth. nigeria has not attacked any african country since independence to fight an external war except occasional self-defence of our territory against neighbours' encroachment. that is the reason why a black man like you can enter a bus in south africa today without being thrown out of the bus window by your white apartheid masters, nigeria fought for african countries to be free and great, nigeria does not fight against its own black african brothers to destroy them.

nigeria fought for @msauza's freedom and that of his born and unborn generation. that is the external war we fought in africa, while your own south africa was busy waging war and killing thousands of africans in namibia and angola during the bush war. nigeria saved you from your white oppressors, read the writing on the sign post below.....and remember where you came from....

https://img144.imageshack.us/img144/819/apharteiday8.jpg

Msauza: Nigeria has no any track record in respect of war with other countries. In Africa we have experienced many wars but I have never heard of Nigeria fighting other countries. Nigeria is very young and almost the age of Mandela and has never exchanged fire with any country other than one of his own who wanted to break away.

Mike..ZA:
Egypt's army was tested in a country to country military show down against. South Africa was tested in Angola. But Nigeria's army has only seen small scale combat against rebels,Nigeria would struggle to defeat any well organised foe.

this topic has been treated on this forum many times. please axe and hammer open your s.kull today and insert this information below :

south africa's master sweden that built and sold Gripen jets to your country has NEVER been tested in any modern war against even ordinary rebels. so can south africa defeat sweden in war ?

south africa's new jungle warfare training master brazil has never fought any war at all as a modern nation. brazil's army has not fired one bullet against any enemy. yet south africa is begging to learn jungle warfare under brazilian army.

will south africa defeat brazil in war ?

turkey, south korea, north korea, ukraine, etc are also on the list of countries ranked above south africa in military power, yet these countries have never fought against any other country except civil wars and rebels.

can south africa defeat any of those countries above ?

see why i sometimes have to insult south african brains for poor thinking faculty ?


army infantry of north korea, nothing but a civil war experiance, can south african army infantry defeat these boys in city/urban warfare ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmxLGhvNyFw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gkiRz_5XJU

zetdee: It's without a doubt a certainty, that Nigeria as a country will not survive this decade, anybody not blinded by patriotism can see that the Nigerian project has been a dismal failure. The question is not whether there is going to be a split or not, but when will it happen, and which region will economically & militarily come out strongest?

please who gave you this 'great' prophetic power to predict the future of a whole nation ? God or Satan ?

kindly clarify so we can know which one of the two spirits you directly communicate with

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Mike..ZA:
Comment of a intellectual poor person. The French sent weapon systems suited for highly mobile desert warfare like wheeled armoured vehicles. Tracked vehicles like Tanks,did not get action. And BH is not as powerful as the rebels were in Mali.

why not invest your time to post educative and informative military stuff on this forum for people to gain from you, instead of wasting your time to attack me. i am not your level, so why d.ie of high blood pressure

okay i have to educate you again today my boy

in my post i never said france used tanks in mali, i said heavy armour. yes heavy armour that the whole super power france could not fly from europe to mali, they begged britain and america for help with RAF ans USAF heavy lift strategic aircraft transport to fly them.

VBL is light armour, france flew that. other ones like AMX-10 in the photo below are called heavy armour and they can only be lifted by heavy lift strategic aircraft that mighty france does not have....and you south african fools are complaining about nigerian military transport....you are all a bunch of fools in that south africa

http://www.armyrecognition.com/serval_operation_mali_french_army/france_sends_more_armoured_vehicles_in_mali_to_answer_strong_resistance_of_islamist_rebels_1801139.html

Mike..ZA:
A single submarine would spread fear in your sailors within that 300 000 sq km EEZ sea waters. It is like a minefield,you know they're there but without knowing where they're can cause much worry in commanders. With a country like Nigeria,that doesn't have a "highly anti_submarine capability". It would be a nightmare for your Admirals to track down and destroy a submarine in that huge area.

nigeria has plan 'B' for any submarine threat. nigeria airforce has one of the best and most modern maritime patrol aircraft in the world, the ATR-42 surveryor with modular capacity to quickly acquire and install very powerful modern anti-submarine hunt and d.estroy hardware and weapons of the ATR-72 ASW version of the same technical configuration.

every country responds to new threat if and when they emerge, its no use wasting money to buy weapons nigeria does not need. same way south african navy has about 30 coastal/in-shore combat vessel while nigerian navy has about 300. get it ?

for now nigeria has NO need of submarine or high level anti-submarine weapons. nigerian navy NNS ARADU, NNS ERINOMI, NNS SIRI class of warships have low level anti-submarine weapon systems enough for the zero level of submarine threat nigeria faces now, no country in nigeria's region of influence have a submarine.

also nigeria has placed orders with france for 12 AS 550 Fennec anti-submarine helicopters from france.

go to back to page 280, all these facts were posted before you joined this forum, i hate repeating old posts and waste my time. reason why sometimes i cannot avaoid insulting you south africans for not using your h.ead above the same old 33% level.

Mike..ZA:
What are you going to gain from China?,cause the "west" trains or manufactures military systems that are strictly made to destroy weapons from the USSR or present day Russia and China.

what did south africa gain from america's obama visit ? publish it here with sources/weblinks while you d.ie of envy

paniki: Hey, I come from halfway across the world, I'm here to search your compound. I can see that there is a door to your house but I don't want to use it. I'm going to blow a hole in the side of your house and enter there. I'm very sorry for the damage that I'm about to cause, but I will give you a card which you can take to the district centre to claim money for the hole I'm about to blow in the side of your house.

Lol, Americans crack me up. Such nonsense can never happen in America

thank God a south african wrote the above comment about american army operations against islamic t.errorists in afghanistan.

if it is nigerian army in our north against b.oko h.aram now you will say they are wicked and harm c.ivilians

only a fool like @msauza and his south african friends think an army can uproot islamic t.errorists hiding and mixed up with civilians without doing d.amage to the innocent c.ivilians too

reason why its hard to respect 99% of south africans...because of the way they think

Mike..ZA:
SAS Charlotte Maxeke on a single hunting missions,can cause a devastating loss to the Nigerian Navy. Besides i don't Nigeria,can succeed where NATO failed. GET IT?

NATO was fooling south african Navy in a child's play war game

is this how NATO trains among themselves in Europe preparing for war against mighty navy of Russia, Ukraine and China ?



the south african navy submarine was used to target 5 old outdated NATO warships and only 1 modern frigate



HOLLAND's naval ship is a 2005 technology stealth ship and is the only modern ship in the whole 6 ship NATO task force. Holland is one of the European countries with No sensible war experience in modern times, they avoid deadly combat.

the 5 other NATO navy ships are much older technology and close to their retirement age, they are :

USA navy ship is 1988 technology and now retired from a service
CANADA's navy ship is 1990 technology
PROTUGAL SICK BABY OF EUROPE's navy ship is 1991 technology
DENMARK navy's ships is 1981 technology and now retired from service
GERMANY's naval ship is an ordinary fuel storage tanker ship with 1977 technology

the SOUTH AFRICAN navy submarine is 2006 technology used against 5 outdated old warships with inferior technology


the NATO navies had better warships but did not bring them to south africa. also, no british, french, german or italian navy warship was present in the NATO force, and these are the 4 most powerful NATO countries in europe.

British navy stealth destroyer warship HMS Daring and US navy Arleigh Burke stealth destroyer warship have both been fully operational since 2006, a year before the so called defeat of NATO warships and they did not come to south africa then for the NATO war game.

nigerian navy too can use our 2012 Type 056 Stealth light frigate warship to missile target lock on that same american 1988 warship because it cannot see the nigeria stealth vessel built with modern stealth technology, then we come to nairaland and boast that nigeria navy defeated american warship !

EGYPT HAS PAID FOR 2 OF THE SAME SOUTH AFRICAN TYPE 209 SUBMARINE

On 31 August 2012, the Egyptian navy commander General/ Osama Ahmed stated that a contract has been signed with the German side to build two type 209 submarines for the Egyptian navy including the latest technology this type has reached.

ALGERIA HAS PAID FOR 2 OF THE SAME SOUTH AFRICAN VALOUR CLASS STEALTH FRIGATES

NIGERIA HAS PAID FOR THE FOUR TYPE 056 LIGHT FRIGATES AND PIPAV TIGER CLASS CLONE STEALTH WARSHIPS WITH YEAR 2012 LATEST TECHNOLOGY.

these 3 african navies are strongly contesting power for the sea with south african navy, and we cannot know who will win the sea war until the navies clash for real war, not just posting photos on nairaland and judging warships you have never seen by posting comments from your bedroom.

stop deceiving yourselves in south africa, your military can be beaten and r.oasted as we just saw now in CAR by local illiterate rebels.


weblink source : google internet wikipedia of all the ships named in this post, and their full details will be confirmed


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https://www.scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/980w/public/2013/07/10/china-nigeria-diplomacy.jpg?itok=Ct2n4_c0

patriot4: Eko Atlantic, financed by billioniars all around the world. All these business men who believe in Nigeria.
Nigeria is 100 years old and is destined to show the light, not only to Africa, but to the world.

below is what obama did not give any african country he visited few weeks ago


[size=16pt]china signs new defense pact and economic pact with nigeria[/size]


China and Nigeria now have signed a strategic partnership to help both countries achieve their respective interests.

People’s Liberation Army is providing training to make Nigeria’s military colonels into general officers

PLAN assistance to the Nigerian navy will provide modernized equipment for Nigeria to meet what it perceives are security challenges in the Gulf of Guinea

China is helping Nigeria to build a domestic arms industry

Nigeria: FG Secures U.S.$25 Billion Investment Deals During Chinese Visit

These include an agreement on defence cooperation between Nigeria and China, and an agreement on economic and technical cooperation.

China is also demanding nigeria increases crude oil export to china ten times more as a new long tern agreement.

http://beegeagle./2012/08/27/chinas-african-influence-expanding-nigeria-in-focus/

http://allafrica.com/stories/201307151376.html?aa_source=slideout

http://allafrica.com/stories/201307100640.html

Msauza: The Northerners are calling for their turn in presidency or else they vow for anarchy:

http://www..com/talk/topic,97813.0.html

Not everybody who speaks on behalf of the North is actually speaking the heart of the North, and North insistence on 2015 presidency wrong

–says Mohammed

"The National Coordinator, Coalition of Northern Politicians, Academics, Professionals and Businessmen, Dr. Junaid Mohammed, has criticised two umbrella groups of the North, the Northern Elders’ Forum and the Arewa Consultative Forum for their insistence on presidency in 2015.

Not everybody who speaks on behalf of the North is actually speaking the heart of the North. When you check the credentials of these people, who are they to speak for the North? How many times have they won any form of election?” he asked."

http://www.punchng.com/news/north-insistence-on-2015-presidency-wrong-mohammed/

souldust: what about the war in burma during the world war?

nigerian army day celebrated this month is for 150 years existence. world wars I and II are included in our combat experience. nigeria defeated japan and germany in both world wars at locations we deployed estimated over 50,000 nigerian soldiers.

anybody who does not like it can go kiss a naked live electricity cable of 10,000 volts

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seems everybody agrees that Egypt has the strongest military in africa ? can we find out who is second ?

struggle now between nigeria, algeria, ethiopia, south africa ?

thread/topic coming close to an end ?

https://resources.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/homework/egypt/images/sp.jpg


[size=16pt] South Africa Vs Egypt [/size]


Egypt in summary :

american F-16 jets 240

chinese F-7 jets 150

french alpha jets 50

chinese JL-8 jets 120

helicopter gunships (includes 60 american apache helicopters) 200

airborne long range early warning and electronic warfare aircraft 8

anti-tank guns 7,000

anti-armour RPG launchers 180,000

anti-tank guided missiles 6,000

shoulder held anti aircraft missile launchers 6,000

shoulder fired anti aircraft missile warheads 30,000

tanks 4,000

infantry fighting vehicles and armoured personnel carriers 13,000

mortars 10,000

mobile rocket launcher systems 1,500

anti-aircraft guns 4,000

anti-aircraft missile launcher systems medium and long range 150

ballistic missiles range 300km to 1,300km warhead units 1,500

submarines (including 2 german type 209) 6

guided missile frigates/corvettes 12

missile fast vessels 25

anti-submarine patrol boats 8

army regular and reserves soldiers 1.5 million


seems everybody agrees that Egypt has the strongest military in africa ? can we find out who is second ?

struggle now between nigeria, algeria, ethiopia, south africa ?

thread/topic coming close to an end ?

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Mike..ZA:
In North Africa the allied forces were commanded by General Montgomery not General Patton. While the Germans were under the command of General field Marshal Erwin Rommel(Desert fox). I DARED YOU to "white-wash" in military history.

fool. there were two different battle fronts in north africa facing german general rommel's afrika korps. american general patton came through morocco to join the british that were losing in libya/tunisia. i will soon upgrade your knwoledge. british general montgomery was there before patton and he was losing the war until america came to help the european allies to defeat germany.

you just join pieces of information together and confuse yourself

now my school boy, read this for your education in war history and say than you sir, okay ?


"North African Campaign: During the North African campaign, Major General Patton was in command of the western task force of the United States Army. Patton and his troops arrived in Morocco aboard the cruiser USS Augusta while entering the port of Casablanca. Casablanca fell within just four days of fighting. The Sultan of Morocco was so impressed that he presented Patton with the order of Ouissam Alaouite with the citation: “Les lion’s dans leurs tanieres tremblent en le voyant approacher” (The lions in their dens tremble at his approach).

On March 6, 1943, General Patton took Major General Lloyd Fredendall's place as commander of the II Corps. By mid-March, Patton, along with his troops, joined the rest of the British I Army and pushed the Germans and Italians back into a smaller portion of Tunisia. Finally, they were pushed out of North Africa by Mid-May."

http://www.generalgeorgepatton.us/ww2.html

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Mike..ZA:
A single submarine can stop all movement of ships,if deployed against an enemy.

one south african Type 209 submarine of slow speed 20km bicycle speed will police and stop all ship movements in nigeria's 300,000 sq km EEZ sea waters. is your submarine a weapon or flying demon ?

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Mike..ZA:
As cowardly as an army that sends thousands of troops to fight a small number of insurgents,Even backed by fighter jets.

why did france not use sticks, clubs, batons and machetes to fight local rebels in mali ? why did france use its best jet fighter the great Rafale in photo below ? why did france re-inforce with heavy armour and its most sophisticated weapons moved to mali with the help of britain and america ? so nigeria should fight with bows and arrows against b.oko haram insurgents that have anti-aircraft gun and almost shot down NAF Mi-35 helicopter gunship ?

if i insult you now you will say i am bad. see what your mouth just spitted out in your above post.

Rafale jet, the best weapon of france used against mali local rebels
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/02/21/290069/france-and-warplane-mega-deal-in-mali/

[img]http://www.thenational.ae/deployedfiles/Assets/Richmedia/Image/SaxoPress/AD20120224655748-A%20Rafale%20fighte.jpg[/img]

@andrewza banned above for insulting me.

Mike..ZA:
"When men talk about Rommel they talk about Rommel,but when men talk Montgomery they talk about Monty".General Montgomery commanded the allied forces in north Africa,not General Patton(the man with the white piston on his whist". He commanded the invading allied tanks,but the Soviets reached Berlin before him. General field Marshal Erwin Rommel (The Desert Fox),was even saluted by PM Winston Churchill,a soldier or warrior who was respected by his enemies. Stop with "immature military comments",oh I dare you to "white-wash" me!!!!! Visit the Bookstore please.

we are talking north african german war, you are mixing it up with soviet army in berlin europe .

you all lack brain co-ordination in south africa. you cannot follow a logical pattern of thinking.

Mike..ZA:
Allowing Seleka to capture Damara,without putting any fight. What a bunch of cowards!

yes bros, as cowardly as south african army i agree with you.

andrewza: So you read the memours of a man who all most shot a solder duffring of PTSD and called him a coward. A man that was great at chasing down deafted enemys and bragging about it.

The germans were deated in operastion elamian. The first battel america fought against the germans in Africa was a loss for them. By the time the amercans started to win rommel had been recalled.

You know nothing.

Rommel was withdrawn due to his defeat...he lost. Hitler will not with draw a winner and put a lesser man there. what type of foolish combat training does south african military academy teach soldiers ?

Rwanda will defeat you guys one day o !

see the truth about Rommel, dont tell us to go to bookshops and waste money buy free old time history


"The last Rommel offensive in North Africa was on 6 March 1943, when he attacked Eighth Army at the Battle of Medenine. The attack was made with 10th, 15th, and 21st Panzer Divisions. Warned by Ultra intercepts, Montgomery deployed large numbers of anti-tank guns in the path of the offensive. After losing 52 tanks, Rommel called off the assault. On 9 March he returned to Germany in an effort to get Hitler to comprehend the reality of the changing situation. In this he was unsuccessful. Command was handed over to General Hans-Jürgen von Arnim. Rommel never returned to Africa. The fighting there continued on for another two months, until 13 May 1943, when General Messe surrendered the exhausted remnants of Armeegruppe Afrika to the Allies"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel

andrewza: So you read the memours of a man who all most shot a solder duffring of PTSD and called him a coward. A man that was great at chasing down deafted enemys and bragging about it.

The germans were deated in operastion elamian. The first battel america fought against the germans in Africa was a loss for them. By the time the amercans started to win rommel had been recalled.

You know nothing.

did any witch curse you never to post comments with source weblinks to prove ? stop telling us to go to bookshop and buy books to prove our claims, you navy cook/photographer

Mike..ZA:
I can't not believe this. Blitzkrieg the lighting war comprised of fast moving mechanised units or paratroopers backed with planes(for air superiority). YOU KNOW NOTHING!!!!!

so what ? i said Blitzkrieg is land originated land/air attack and 100% land based. the aircraft took off from land air bases and the army moved from land bases. its all 100% land based. stop making noise about nothing, the whole blitzkreig story is available to the public on internet wikipedia on weblink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzkrieg

you are posting about free wikipedia information and boasting that other people know nothing...about free public information available since 1939 from many books and internet free web pages ?

you gone craaaaazy

nigeria cannot move by land or air to invade south africa, so tell me why you made blitzkrieg relevant to nigeria invading south africa, or you become a first class b.uffoon

andrewza: If you did not know this you a joke. Any body who cliams to have studied milltary tactice would have knowen this infomastion. Stope browsing wikpeadia(your only source and read a book) I recomend rommel by desmond young a britsh officer who fought in north africa. Wrinten in the early 50s.

i read general pattons personally written memoirs, not a second hand story teller british man writing about american general for you to read.

america defeated germany. patton is american, and i am too. i work with retired american soldiers. you are a navy man in soweto waters.

patton defeated rommel, germany was defeated by america in north africa after the british failed there you drunkard .

it is simple war history that the whole world know except you people in south african cage locked up and cut off from the outside world.

andrewza: I see you resorted to your standard tactice when deafted. Insults and a post of no falue. See why I call you a fool.

talk with common sense, or else i have to repeat what i usually say. you say nigeria cannot move 660 guns on home soil, and no food for our artillery soldiers at home defending nigeria, but your south africa can move food and all kinds of materian and ammunition 5,000 km away from home to attack nigeria in naval blockade.

show me why i should not pity your mother. you deserve the 'insult' by talking like a m.oron in a p.sychiatric hospital

i dont ever post your type of i.nsane statements you know

andrewza: Rommel only fought the amercans once in north africa. And he won. Patton actually coppied the german style of war fare.

source please. with quotes and extracts plus weblinks.

andrewza: I never said SA could defeat Nigeria, never mind algeria or ethiopya. It does not change the fact we better.

o ti jewo otito loni, sebi o fe maa pa iro tele tele ni .

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andrewza: SAS drakens burge can carry tones of food and fuel and both the valour and drakenberg have desalnastion plants. A valour can maintain itself for 30 days with out support. With drankenberg it could stay on stastion for a long time.

Do you even releaze how many people your guns will have exluding support.

nigeria has 170 million people who eat food everyday.

nigeria has 200,000 military men.

nigeria is fighting at home.

nigeria has hundreds of thousands of heavy industrial and heavy military haulage and towing vehicles.

nigerian artillery corp is equipped to operate all its 660 guns.

you seem to have more thinking problems that i expected

or maybe you just wanna tell lies....and look like a kid in a day care classroom

i pity your mother she gave birth to a .....