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souldust: sub saharan Africa vs south america
western Europe vs middle East + north Africa + israel
central America + mexico vs Australia + New Zealand + pacific islands
eastern Europe + russia vs America and Canada
far east Asia + india vs Europe - russia

who would win among these people? If my pairing is faulty, i would like you to do a better pairing. Thanks

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/flags-globe-world-map-15999973.jpg


it would take quite some time and effort to answer this question based on the grouping of those continents. however, my own little contribution is this, a list of the most powerful countries in each continent....i hope it helps to guide anyone who is interested. thanks


strongest military forces by continents in the world : ranking

1. ASIA....china, india, israel, pakistan, north korea, south korea, japan, saudi arabia.

2. EUROPE....russia, france, britain, germany, turkey, italy, greece, sweden, spain.

3. NORTH AMERICA.....united states of america, canada.

4. AFRICA.....egypt, nigeria, algeria, ethiopia, south africa.

5 SOUTH AMERICA.....brazil, argentina.

6 AUSTRALIA & OCEANIA....no powerful country

surprised ? africa is not bottom of the world list !

surprised again ? asia is number one in the world, i pity those who laugh at chinese, indian, pakistani made weapons !

china produces a stealth jet fighter, europe has none. pakistan produces JF-17 thunder block II jet equal to a Gripen jet.

chrissy365: I've been begging them to post achievement of SANDF and they've been avoiding my question since.
does it mean SANDF have never achieved anything good on this continent than to pose in front of shiny weapons?

hahaha !!!

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Hezron Lorraine: Chris u are one hell of a sarcastic dude.u know how to drop the lines.
Fellow nigerians,thank you,u are all doing well,well done also to the south africans,u guys also are good at promoting your military though they are better than fashion models in Milan when it comes to taking pictures..
CraigB,na u act die-hard,u don't want to give up yet,anyways u are wanted in ward B,left wing of National hospital for drug collection.

Me I done tire for this thread wey no one end.We keep saying the same thing over and over again
with different points.


Jokes apart,
Thumbs up everybody who has made vital contributions on this thread,u all are wonderful.when real war comes we'll know whose da boss.

Well done bros ! You did a good job during the time you were in this forum. True son of Naija.

I wish you the best of luck...stick close to God and your way will be blessed.

Gun salute !!! Boom Boom Boom !!!

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KidStranglehold: Again its clearly Egypt and South Africa.

Why is this still being debated?

it is still being debated because of new evidence and information like this....

http://www.moroccoboard.com/our-events/5680-f16


[img]http://cfile4.uf.tistory.com/original/143E0A3A4F52F6A8176553[/img]


[size=16pt]Morocco...New Power In Africa[/size]


you need to rank Seleka rebels ahead of south africa

dont even compare south africa with superior military forces of Nigeria, Algeria, Ethiopia, and now Morocco just got new advanced F-16 jets in a $2.5 billion deal for 52 latest version of the jets, her navy just got this year 2013 very modern and powerful FREMM Multi-purpose Frigate from farnce superior to Valour frigates, her army is over 300,000 regular and reserves...you want to fight morocco with the tiny 40,000 man south african army ?

you south africans just like to deceive yourselves....you think only you have modern weapons

Donian007: @CraigB, Please do me a favour and address the comparism made in this post with Mexican Military fighting the drug cartels, Chechnya rebels vs Russian Army, China has deployed fighter jets to watch the Tibetans, etc. Please what do you think about these?

south africans have 33% brain...always remember

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chrissy365: i can forgive you since i understand your poor knowledge of everything in life.

why didn't you send your special task force to CAR to battle seleka or DRC (although your troops are playing sissy there as we speak ) since it is the police job to fight terrorist that are armed with anti aircraft guns, GPMG, RPG and IED.

or why don't you tell Mexico to withdraw troops that are battling cartels on the streets, or ask the US why they had to deploy their national guard to support thousand of SWAT team (world's best) just to fish out two terrorists, or tell turkey to use only their police to fight PKK rebels, or Russia to use only their police to fight Chechen rebels.

Nigerian police is currently supporting NA operations in counter terrorism in the North and to the best of my knowledge, are far better than these clowns you call special task whatever.

so far the achievements i saw were only in the 70's and 80's. what are they doing now that crime has skyrocketed in SA? facebooking?

you lack intellect and i'll keep reminding you how S.TUPID you are.

you know that if the south africans stop writing rubbish, then they are no longer south africans


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https://www.geographicguide.com/pictures/maps/africa-globe.gif............................[size=16pt]best in africa part 3[/size]



the best main battle tank in africa is the T-90 MBT of the armies of Algeria and Uganda. algeria spent almost $1 billion to buy 305 units of this tank from russia.

it is surprising that some countries we think have the most modern weapons in africa are not having so much of the best.

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/4110/images/139732/large/2-t90s-tank.jpg

chrissy365:
is this supposed to be a joke or what

you are lucky i was banned for my initial response to this piece of crap

this boy wan kill me with him mumu o.. make una help me.

so you've been comparing the great Nigerian military to an underachieved SANDF, only to bring achievements of police special task force on internal operations. WDF!!

Nigerian police MOPOL, SARS and anti terrorism squad are busy fighting boko haram in the north, kidnappers in the south, pirates in the Delta, deployed on PKO in Mali, Somalia, Guinea Bissau, Liberia . please don't let us compare them with yours cos they may not be as equipped as your models, but they get the hardest jobs done and are well tested.

please post achievements of SANDF on african continent.

no wonder jealousy wan kill una

i have said it several times that @Mike..ZA is better on a police vs armed robbers thread, not a military forum

Mike..ZA:
Yes,such obsolete military hardware need to be commanded by a "expert General". And do "double face mon.keys hibernate" in Nigeria,during "summer"?

Obsolete equipment ? Nigeria deployed VBL in Mali same as France, plus the latest 2013 Sandcat MRAP we just purchased this year from Israel, then 2012 upgraded Alpha jets, 2012 upgraded Mi-35 Hind Helicopter gunships, 2013 newly developed land drone USV, and other new stuff Nigeria deployed in Mali.

If you call those obsolete then you need more than help, you need to become part of waste disposal materials

nigerian army 35 units of modern Sandcat MRAPS for Mali war purchased 2013

GidiNaijaPikin: You seem to fancy your stup.idity a lot!!

Yea, @andrewza does fancy s.tupidy as a new favorite pastime. I agree with you bro

https://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/rpg-7-launcher.gif

andrewza: The leathal blast raidacy of a grenade is about 15m. SA solders were a lot farther away and in a forfied postion. Grenades would achieve nothing, blind firing a MG would all so do nothing and aiming would expose the shooter.


You assume they had all those wepaons with them. And you do know shooting a wall with a HEAT or AP round does very littel damge to it. There is is a vedieo on youtube of US solders blasting away at a building with those rounds and it acheived nothing. You don't actualy under stand war.

who said AP or HEAT ? ordinary RPG with HE will tear a wall into pieces. types of rounds is common knowledge on Wikipedia and nothing technical. Seleka is no fool.


[size=16pt]can someone help us convert south african military academies to police academies ? [/size]


El Salvador

RPGs were a main tool used by the FMLN's guerrilla forces in the Salvadoran Civil War. For example, during the June 19, 1986 overrun of the San Miguel Army base, FMLN sappers dressed only in black shorts, their faces blacked out with grease, sneaked through barbed wire at night, avoiding the searchlights, they made it to within firing range of the outer wall. Using RPGs to initiate the attack, they blew through the wall and killed a number of Salvadorean soldiers. They eliminated the outermost sentries and searchlights with the rockets, then made it into the inner wall, which they also punched through. They were then able to create mayhem as their comrades attacked from the outside.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket-propelled_grenade

sambos994: I used to think you were the most sensible among your SA comrades. Guess i'm wrong.

@andrewza's many attempts to cover up and wipe out the seleka vs south african army defeat embarrassment made him become the opposite of what he used to be.

andrewza: It a fact that france and chad saved malil. If nigeria did nothing the out come would have been the same. And now you pulling out.

I never said your genrail said BH was deafted I said people from this forum did.

Malil is falure for nigeria you just don't relize it. You took to long to deploy and over streched your forces at home.

who cares about Mali anymore ? is it nigerians' fatherland or motherland ? is Mali a state in nigerian territory ?

do you know the meaning of the word run away ? if you dont understand english can i help you translate the word run into afrikaans ?

why should nigeria waste its time, money, equipment, and risk the lives of our soldeirs helping a country that is UN member and now get insulted by being put under command a less capable military grade Rwandan army general by the western powers ?

dominating UN ? all those american and NATO countries are a pack of arrogant colonialists who like to mess up african nations that are powerful like nigeria

since when did mali become nigerian's fatherland and motherland for us to sit down there and be insulted ?

Rwandan general to command nigerian armed forces ? Rwanda has no single jet fighter and that general has never seen a BTR-3U at home in his career talk less of a drone UAV, he never trained in israel, USA, germany, china, britain ,italy like the nigerian generals.

the rwandan man is from the same genocidal army generals league that m.urderd hundreds of thousands of people in Rwanda, and he has been known as an indisciplined officer in missions and has been punished for bad conduct.

you too can put all your south african army and air force in congo DRC under a burundi army general to be commanding you in congo DRC.

why did your south africa not go back to CAR ? why did you decide you have a right not to stay in CAR where you were not wanted ?

nigeria is not the first country to pull out of a UN intervention force for good reasons.

nigeria did not go to mali to eat up the poorer country's mineral resources the way south africa did in CAR and is doing now in congo DRC.

nigeria went to help, but if mali cannot tell UN to respect nigeria, we will leave them to their destiny.

only a fool like you will sit down in another man's house where he is giving you insults.

nigeria is not a fool that gets kicked around like south africa whose president zuma bowed down for his sons age mate obama.

nigeria knows its level in the world arena of nations, but you south africans cannot find yours


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andrewza: This was planed. Has they were climing over the wall they were entering a killing field. They only did it once. There was all so fighting out side the walls but the base was not located in a defenbil poststion so was held only has long has needed. And yes the base was surronded by a strong force. Who then requested a cease fire. The base was not there mission and takeing it would have been costly and pointless. Hence they called a cease fire and by passed the base. The heavest fighting did not actualy take place at the base. Not one of her defenders were lost.

seleka is no fool to keep jumping over your base wall and keep getting killed like flies and mosquitoes. they will throw hand grenades over your walls before they enter and tripod stand their GPMG on the wall and spray the inside before they jump in. you are the one that said their commanders has military training in chad, or they forgot how to fight war when they got to your base ?

the entrance gate to south african base or the side walls will collapse with a dozen 105mm far range armour piercing bazooka rockets fired by seleka from 2km away. fool yourself, dont try to fool the rest of us here

souldust: for those saying the robots are the same, why dont you take note of the tyres and see that the colours are different

vanguard and beegeagle used photo of a foreign robot. i wont blame them too much, they just wanted the public to have an idea of what a bomb detonating robot looks like.

nigerian army promised to show us their own robot in public display live...some time later.

chris365: guys please don't mind me derailing for few minutes.

between event management and decoration, and interior decoration. which is better, more lucrative and poses less challenges for someone that wants to shift career.

please anyone with an idea should answer. don't mind the derailing, it's for few minutes

okay a brief diversion is okay to share info.

i had some ex-gir*fr***ds in lagos those days who did all the 3. what they told me then was this :

interior decor could get you 200k in one deal

events management could get you 100k in one deal

events decoration could get you 30k in one deal

there are more decoration jobs in town, next is management jobs, but interior jobs are scarce and need lots of man know man connections.

all the 3 require networking and man know man.

if connections are weak, jobs hardly come for many months. if connections are strong, jobs can come every month. the upper middle class is the best target client base.

some people prefer catering/cooking food for parties because even the lower class are a client base.

thats the little i know from those people who have practiced the 3 lines of business for several years. thanks

andrewza: She was in civlians and they did not know who she was. And I see you choose SA media when it suits you. You are a foolish hypcrical liary.

ask liberian/sierra leonean rebels, congo DRC rebels and dafur supporter of APC local militia what they usually do to any 'civilian' woman trapped and captured in their battle zone...dont ask me o ! i am under age 18 years

saengine: Susette Gates is a civilian. Civilians working for the SANDF do not wear uniform. If she was able to convince Seleka not to search her bag carrying R3 million (a lifetime fortune in CAR).....what other lies do you think she told them to let her go? She could have said anything......claimed to be U.S citizen etc etc. Point is, in the eyes of Seleka she was not a captured combatant. The one SA soldier who was captured by Seleka was returned to our base.

rebels ruling a whole country are not fools. they would ask for her ID or travel passport, if not, they will search her down to her p.anties to prove her true identity. they know some south africans are white, and what the h.ell will an american citizen be doing in a french speaking country inside the rebel controlled zone and battlefield ?

seleka let her go because there was a deal to spare south african army and not w.ipe them out.

same reason the captured south african soldier was released according to your post...why would seleka let a south africa soldier go free after he helped to b.utcher 800 of the seleka's colleagues ?

why would a south african soldier be in seleka captivity if he did not surrender to them ?

rebels dont respect civilians of their own tribe, enemy is enemy, why should the respect a south africa army woman because she wore civilian clothes ? you think rebels are fools ? if they are fools then south african army will still be in CAR today. they gave you a smart brilliant shocker for history to be told to your grandchildren in soweto.

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andrewza: 107mm rockets and I don't think we had any Y2 in CAR we used 12.7mm MGs instead. We all so had 60 and 81mm mortas. But at the base they only used small arms and RPG7s to attack them has they climed over the wall.

okay you admit seleka climbed over the wall to attack south african army inside your base.

andrewza: Seleka never over ran our base. So you talking out your ass. I siad they would not let's us fly in our renforments in to CAR.

now you deny again and defeat yourself saying seleka did not overrun south african base, but you just said in the previous post above that they climbed over your wall and used AK-47 and RPG....


seleka were more than you in number and had entered your base climbing over the wall to start hand to had combat...no army survives that easily talk less of b.utchering an enemy force that is ten times more in number.

south african army was trapped in their base, surrounded outside, penetrated inside...outnumbered 10 men against one...outgunned with heavy calibre cannon and rockets....then south african army did surrender and beg for their lives to be spared and safe passage to the airport for french army protection.

you did not kill any 800 rebels, its impossible in that heavily odd trap your army was locked into. hand to hand combat inside your base is the type of craaaaazy battle where the best soldiers in the world get k.illed by the poorest trained soldiers int he world.

bullets through windows, enemy behind the door. assault rifle fire from a man hiding just around the corner. snipers on top of a tree. these are common rebel tactics worldwide.

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andrewza: 107mm rockets and I don't think we had any Y2 in CAR we used 12.7mm MGs instead. We all so had 60 and 81mm mortas. But at the base they only used small arms and RPG7s to attack them has they climed over the wall.

dont change story now mister ! you are the one that said seleka was heavily armed, and i asked you to show us seleka's weapons used against south african army and you replied by posting photos to prove seleka used truck mounted mobile double barrel anti-aircraft guns, truck mounted mobile 105mm bazooka anti-tank armour rockets and truck mounted GPMG machine guns and you said seleka has 2,500 to 3,000 men in the attack force.

now after battlefield simulations proved you could not have used your 200 man force to kill 800 of seleka men who are so heavily armed, you change story again and said seleka used only small arms (AK-47 rifles) and RPG to attack south african army.

you b.looody liar ! seleka does not need to climb your walls to hit target, their 107mm bazooka rockets is anti-armour and it will tear down a huge gateway on all the four corners of the south african base wall, or the wall is not made of cement again ? it is nuclear proof bunker like that of saddam hussein ?

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GidiNaijaPikin: Seleka never overran your base ... so why did are you blaming France for refusing your retreating troops refuge around the Airport? Why were SANDF nowhere to be found when Seleka were posing and taking photographs in your deserted base?

Who ever told you that telling lies will make you handsome?

this forum has photos and videos posted in march/april of seleka rebels inside south african amry base playing with abandoned weapons and new uniforms.

Msauza: Bwahahahahaha!! Bwahahahahaha!! Bwahahahahaha! Surely theirs will not come any close to that one knowing their limited technical skills. I have also read that they have also asked Brazil for help.

before envy gives you epilepsy, please post and quote where it is said that nigeria is asking brazil to help us build the robot. i know brazil showed interest and asked for joint venture to partner with nigeria on UAV drone amebo III after nigeria alone single-handedly build and uses amebo drones I and II without any foreign help.

you should explain why south african DENEL A-Darter missile begged Brazil for help is being financed and assisted in technology by Brazil..

"Development of the A-Darter started in 1995,however it suffered from inadequate funding and changes to the SAAF's requirements. Mectron, Avibras and Atech joined the program in 2006 after a three-year negotiation process with US$52 million invested by the Brazilian Government in the project, estimated to be worth US$130 million. In that same year, Denel announced that it would use the latest solid-state inertial measurement unit, the SiIMU02 from BAE Systems, for mid course range guidance. The Brazilian company Opto Eletrônica has partnered with Denel Dynamics in the development of the missile imaging infrared seeker for thermal guidance."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-Darter




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saengine: Please post pictures of the Nigerian built bomb robot, not a robot from the USA .

https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6216/6258093630_2aa6aed9c3_z.jpg

that is the picture from vanguard newspapers and beegeagle too, i posted the source and that is the picture they put there just to show people a sample of what the robot will look like, and they did not manipulate anything, both sources clearly said nigerian army says it would later show the public its own robot soon.

try to be more objective with your posts and not sniff around like a hunting greyhound looking for deer's urine in the forest. learn to face facts...even if it hurts you a bit

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[size=16pt]Susette Gates Conspiracy : how seleka rebels spared the lives of south african soldiers[/size]



contrary to claims by south africans that their army killed 500, then 600, and finally adjusted figure to 800 seleka rebels, the truth if logically proved that the south africans actually surrendered or begged the seleka rebels to allow them to escape in peace to the airport to come under french army protection.

QUOTE :

"Parliamentarians also warmly clapped when informed of the bravery of another female, Susette Gates, who works in the South African National Defence Force (SANDF)

She was confronted by the rebels who wanted to take the bags she’d retrieved. But she convinced them that she was carrying clothes left behind. She hitch hiked to the airport with French troops. "


SOURCE

http://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/parly-applauds-heroines-bravery

south african army did not kill any 500 or 600 or 800 seleka rebels otherwise the rebels in anger would have killed Susette Gates out of anger and revenge. only few rebels were killed, maybe about 100.

i had a battlefield simulation done with a retired combat soldier who has real life battlefield experience of infantry warfare, and a good knowledge of the american-somalia rebels firefight called 'black hawk down'.

conclusion was that there is no way south african army will lose 13 men while seleka rebels will lose 800 men to create a new world record infantry combat kill ratio of 1:61, that will be a new world record he said.

we looked critically at the weapons the seleka rebels had :

14.5mm double barrel anti-aircraft guns mobile truck mounted with firing range of about 5km and firing rate of about 1,000 rounds of ammunition in 5 minutes and it can pierce through light armour vehicles, for a human body it will tear the soldier into pieces.

105mm mobile anti-tank bazooka rocket launchers with range of about 2km and its rockets can pierce through heavy armour vehicles.

general purpose machine guns with range about 2km and rate of fire 5,000 bullets in 5 minutes.

AK-47 rifles were also used by the estimated 2,500 seleka force against the estimated 250 man south african army force.

the senior commanders of seleka are said to have at least average army military training in chad before their rebellion.

the south africans were out numbered in ratio 10 men against 1.

the seleka rebels used element of surprise attack because the south africans were not expecting them.

seleka was fighting at home and had advantage of knowledge of all the land and bush routes the south africans could use.

seleka rebels knew all the escape routes the south african army could use to escape and had blocked it, that is why Susette Gates still fell into the hands of seleka rebels who spared her life.

the seleka rebels did not need to get close to the south africans before wiping them out, their base was known and the mobile anti-aircraft guns with deadly amour piercing rapid firepower can tear the south africans into pieces from a distance of 1km away.

we simulated and discovered that with the above, the south african army can never kill 800 seleka rebels and lose only 13 men in about 18 hours of fighting.

as a form of simulation control/comparison, we related the battle of bangui to the american army battle against north korea in 'task force smith' 1950 korean war, where america was outnumbered in this same ratio 10:1, with 400 american specially selected soldiers against 4,000 regular north korean soldiers in the infantry encounter. in a few hours of combat 200 of the 400 american soldiers were dead or wounded and they retreated fast away from the battle field.

task force smith experience in war teaches world armies that you can never have a high kill ratio against a superior enemy unless their hands are tied to their backs with chains. you are more likely to lose the war to superior numbers and superior weapons, you cannot turn that situation around unless you chain the hands of the superior force so that you can k.ill them defenseless

in vietnam war 1965 to 1974, despite the awesome american land sea and air firepower superior to the communists, the kill ratio is estimated at 2:3, in favour of america/allies.

they did fight, but the south african army surrendered after losing the said 13 soldiers or likely even more, to avoid being totally wiped out, they surrendered to seleka and negotiated for a safe passage out of the area, that is clear from the fact that SANDF Susette Gates met with the seleka rebels they were said to be fighting with and she merely talked with them and they let her walk away without any harassment ! surely south african army had begged seleka to spare their lives and promised to leave CAR forever and never come back, for this reason, the rebels did not kill more of them and let them go free.

the south african propaganda kill ratio of 1:61 in their own favour, is a historical fraud in the history of war where the the so called winner is heavily out numbered and out gunned and also caught by surprise in a foreign territory they don not know well


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saengine: Nice try at an amateur editing job. Maybe your boyfriend Patriot will believe you .

Corporal Molatelo Aphinia Nkoana was not confronted by rebels. Corporal Molatelo Aphinia Nkoana led a team of 16 SANDF soldiers to safety after an ambush.


Susette Gates is a civilian who works within the SANDF. She is the one who returned to the base during some of the fighting to retrieve R3 million that was being held at the base. She is the one who convinced the rebels that the money was infact clothes.


2 different stories but you edit it to make it seem like one. What's worse is that you put it in bold.

sorry for the mix up of names, the story from south africa narrated both women's actions at random and mixed it up, no thanks to your 33% brain south african juornalism that did not arrange the story of the two women in separat paragraphs instead of mixing up both at random . i have corrected the names in my post. no big deal, as that does not change the fact and validity of the true story.

i also had no intention to mix anything up or manipulate anything, i clearly posted the photos of both Susette Gates and corporal Nkoana side by side to acknowledge both women were involved. now back to the facts and truth !

@msauza said the rebels would never spare the life of any south african force member in CAR but seleka did !

south african army surrendered and was granted safe passage by seleka , thats what Susette Gates proved to the world !

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[size=16pt]Susette Gates Conspiracy : how seleka rebels spared the lives of south african soldiers[/size]



contrary to claims by south africans that their army killed 500, then 600, and finally adjusted figure to 800 seleka rebels, the truth if logically proved that the south africans actually surrendered or begged the seleka rebels to allow them to escape in peace to the airport to come under french army protection.

QUOTE :

"Parliamentarians also warmly clapped when informed of the bravery of another female, Susette Gates, who works in the South African National Defence Force (SANDF)

She was confronted by the rebels who wanted to take the bags she’d retrieved. But she convinced them that she was carrying clothes left behind. She hitch hiked to the airport with French troops. "


SOURCE

http://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/parly-applauds-heroines-bravery

south african army did not kill any 500 or 600 or 800 seleka rebels otherwise the rebels in anger would have killed Susette Gates out of anger and revenge. only few rebels were killed, maybe about 100.

i had a battlefield simulation done with a retired combat soldier who has real life battlefield experience of infantry warfare, and a good knowledge of the american-somalia rebels firefight called 'black hawk down'.

conclusion was that there is no way south african army will lose 13 men while seleka rebels will lose 800 men to create a new world record infantry combat kill ratio of 1:61, that will be a new world record he said.

we looked critically at the weapons the seleka rebels had :

14.5mm double barrel anti-aircraft guns mobile truck mounted with firing range of about 5km and firing rate of about 1,000 rounds of ammunition in 5 minutes and it can pierce through light armour vehicles, for a human body it will tear the soldier into pieces.

105mm mobile anti-tank bazooka rocket launchers with range of about 2km and its rockets can pierce through heavy armour vehicles.

general purpose machine guns with range about 2km and rate of fire 5,000 bullets in 5 minutes.

AK-47 rifles were also used by the estimated 2,500 seleka force against the estimated 250 man south african army force.

the senior commanders of seleka are said to have at least average army military training in chad before their rebellion.

the south africans were out numbered in ratio 10 men against 1.

the seleka rebels used element of surprise attack because the south africans were not expecting them.

seleka was fighting at home and had advantage of knowledge of all the land and bush routes the south africans could use.

seleka rebels knew all the escape routes the south african army could use to escape and had blocked it, that is why corporal Nkoana went through hidden bush paths and still fell into the hands of seleka rebels who spared her life.

the seleka rebels did not need to get close to the south africans before wiping them out, their base was known and the mobile anti-aircraft guns with deadly amour piercing rapid firepower can tear the south africans into pieces from a distance of 1km away.

we simulated and discovered that with the above, the south african army can never kill 800 seleka rebels and lose only 13 men in about 18 hours of fighting.

as a form of simulation control/comparison, we related the battle of bangui to the american army battle against north korea in 'task force smith' 1950 korean war, where america was outnumbered in this same ratio 10:1, with 400 american specially selected soldiers against 4,000 regular north korean soldiers in the infantry encounter. in a few hours of combat 200 of the 400 american soldiers were dead or wounded and they retreated fast away from the battle field.

task force smith experience in war teaches world armies that you can never have a high kill ratio against a superior enemy unless their hands are tied to their backs with chains. you are more likely to lose the war to superior numbers and superior weapons, you cannot turn that situation around unless you chain the hands of the superior force so that you can k.ill them defenseless

in vietnam war 1965 to 1974, despite the awesome american land sea and air firepower superior to the communists, the kill ratio is estimated at 2:3, in favour of america/allies.

they did fight, but the south african army surrendered after losing the said 13 soldiers or likely even more, to avoid being totally wiped out, they surrendered to seleka and negotiated for a safe passage out of the area, that is clear from the fact that SANDF Susette Gates met with the seleka rebels they were said to be fighting with and she merely talked with them and they let her walk away without any harassment ! surely south african army had begged seleka to spare their lives and promised to leave CAR forever and never come back, for this reason, the rebels did not kill more of them and let them go free.

the south african propaganda kill ratio of 1:61 in their own favour, is a historical fraud in the history of war where the the so called winner is heavily out numbered and out gunned and also caught by surprise in a foreign territory they don not know well


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.....................[size=16pt]nigeria develops anti-bomb robot[/size]

Fynline: http://www.channelstv.com/home/2013/07/22/airforce-invents-bomb-detecting-robot-to-fight-boko-haram/

Airforce builds Bomb Detecting Robot To Fight Boko Haram

thanks bro, some more sources and photo enlarged below. @THIZA please take note....

http://beegeagle./2013/07/22/nigerian-air-force-invent-bomb-detecting-robot/


https://www.channelstv.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Bomb-Detonator.jpg


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Mike..ZA:
NNS Aradu is not in service currently,it is out for some refit. Has Nigeria ever trained,in any anti_submarine warfare? And that westland Lynx MK89 doesn't have deeping sonar. Your Helos will need to fly from a frigate,it would be a difficult task for 3 helos(with pilots whom are not familiar with sub hunting) ,to locate a sub in a area of 300000 sq km.

some corrections boy !

NNS ARADU is in service after refits at nigerian naval dockyard lagos.

two Type 056 new modern stealth guided missile warships are arriving nigeria next year from china with latest technology including anti-submarine warfare capabilities for modern warfare. i am tired of repeating this ships data/information.

nigerian air force ATR-42 Surveyors aircrafts are long range maritime patrol aircrafts with modular capability for fixing on ATR-72 ASW hardware of latest technology to hunt and kill submarines if the threat arises anytime.

nigerian navy has current and constant modern submarine warfare training with pakistani navy under a defence pact, so nigerian navy knows everything about submarines in this world.

http://beegeagle./2012/02/16/recap-nigerian-navy-personnel-in-pakistan-for-submarine-training/

a lone submarine in 300,000 sq km waters of nigerian EEZ is zero threat to us. our new coming warships and ART-42 surveyor does not need to look all over for the submarine in the s.tupid way you think. they will only create a safe small narrow passage/corridor of patrol and escort for ships to move from nigerian coastal waters into international waters and free to move on to any part of the world.

your lone ranger submarine will just waste its time in the large waters like a lost hunting dog in the forest, when its fuel/diesel finishes it will go back home frustrated to south africa and enjoy a long vacation after a wasted adventure

saengine: Quote a source showing how many of them were killed.

patriot3: The rebels saying what happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucqyy0NDtPY
This confirms the first french report which I posted.
They came in two columnns against the SA boys and they defeated them before moving forward.

anyone to interpret this french language video ?

Masters of propaganda, even the devil cannot tell lies as much as a south african

sambos994: Why send 200 soldiers into no man's land and expect them to defend against thousands without air support?

...because south African army doctrine includes a secret clause they don't usually publish..."thou shall always under-estimate thy enemy"

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sambos994: http://www.mg.co.za/article/1998-09-25-sandfs-chaotic-invasion

I just stumbled upon this....I find it funny.

Funny, so south African army history of fumbling and wobbling is longer than we thought

After work tonite I will post a YouTube video of direct account of a seleka commander on their battle with south African army.

Its been posted once many months ago on this forum but it's in French language, I am hoping someone might be able to interpret it later tonight .

Msauza: In short, Nigeria has never engaged in any war with any country. When I speak about a war I do not speak about a conflict or about a war that was about to start and suddenly come to stop through intervention. I want a real war that take ages 5-20years where even UN or US could not do anything about it. Bush war took about 23years long to finally come to end. Nigeria has got no such war in its history with other countries.

Nigeria's border wars against Chad and Cameroon were always short because Nigerian army had quick victories on the battlefields and the invaders did not want all their armies to d.ie so they ran away.

South Africa's border wars or bush wars lasted 23 years because south African army could not defeat tiny Cuban army despite support you got from Israel, America and China. Cuba and south Africa were just pushing each other around the war zones for many wasted years in a stalemate of mugu vs mumu.....until south Africa almost lost the war and called for peace negotiations.

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