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Asidethetruth:
Am just imagining how dirty that place will be......

Coz north is known for dirty environment.....

If an Alhaji or mallam can defecate inside a gutter on the rd without considering peoiple passing.....

Then this dam will be a dumping of all excretra within zaria suburb........

I have been there......so don't talk rubbish or defend I know what am saying

Your stupidity knows no bounds. It's a simple truth.

missyQween:
I only notice the fear.I just hope so because everyone have to plan.

Okay, come with your army husband then.

Plan for what exactly? Besides, the school does not care about anyone's plans.

missyQween:
Just the word army scared you sef.
I saw the calendar too but it kinda look fake,I think it was forged sha.

I only laughed oo, did you read that as a sign of fear?

Yes, the calendar was forged, there's no fixed date for reg yet. I guess it won't come until next week or so. But I'm guessing resumption will be next year. And it might be next month too.

missyQween:
And,I will bring my army husband, I know all your calmness will disappear... Hehehe
Do you know anything about reg ?

Army what?

News going around is that it will start upper week, but there's no concrete news to that effect.

We are waiting for special bulletin now that convocation is done and dusted.

Threebear:
You're forgiven Nwanna, olamide even though you are an Afonja, we have adopted you as one of us. So go and sin no more

I hope you're not talking about Igbos adopting our own viable Son, Olamide?

If so, then on behalf of all Afonjas home and abroad. We reject it

shadeyinka:
Its a waste of time conversing with you! Bye

The feeling is mutual. Enjoy

missyQween:
No,I don't want distraction

Lol, I'll bring calmness and order with me when I'm coming...

missyQween:
I think I will find time to visit this dam...I am always lazy to go there.

We could go together when you return to school

shadeyinka:
You are just bent on argument no matter what.

If you program, do you do low level programming?
How much of microcontrollers have you programmed?

The fact that you do little Java, HTML and C does not make you know what goes on behind the High level language.

If you have done a little assembly language, you would not argue just for its sake

I think it is evident who is bent on arguing here.

You that is assuming I code little Java, HTML, and C, or me that is saying the fact of human and computer interaction.

You don't even know how much of machine learning I have done, you don't how much of IoT projects I have completed, you just for the sake of believing that God exists decide to assume the codes I write and how much of programming I know...

If you cannot discuss without rudeness and odious contempt, you could have just said I should leave your thread.


You don't even know the languages I write and you reached a shabby conclusion instead of making your points, of course, which are pointless.

No wonder you are a theist, Goodbye.

shadeyinka:
1. God as a Spirit is not formed.
2. How does humans pass instructions to the computer?
Is it not through binary electrical signals!? Humans have to speak in the language of computers for any command to it
3. Its obvious you didn't get the pun.
You said


And I said:



Can't you see the obvious in your postulate? I just repeated it in another form

1) If God as a spirit is not formed, then with the same assurance, Energy is not formed.

- If for argument's sake God is not formed, is it the only spirit that was not formed? So God only has the autonomy of not being formed? How did you know that, or is it another belief?

Satan is also a spirit, why was it formed? Why were all other spirits formed.

Since you don't know for a fact, it is possible that other spirits were not formed too since it's a belief. Hence we have many Gods.


2) Humans don't speak the language of computers, instead, computers hear our own language and translate it into their own.

I am a computer programmer and there's no way you can know this more than me, except you're one too.
Besides, another fact is that our keyboards in which we pass instructions to computers have English letters and not binary numbers.

All users of computers don't need to know binary before they use them. Computers receive and process, we don't speak their language. They understand ours instead.


So, no matter what your pun is, it is turned upside down and does not correlate once more.

OkaiCorne:
The unbalanced consciousness sounds more like upgraded level of consciousness. Hence, these witnesses can see what the ordinary eye would not see.

I just like the way you twist things, but the most disappointing part of your twisting is that it always fall back on you.

When consciousness is unbalanced, it is called unconsciousness. And this is a state of loss of senses. You are not aware of anything at all. And now I am surprised how your God would only appear to unconscious people despite being a conscious God. That is the invalidity, the failure of a God, the nonexistence facts and evidence of a God.

A conscious God appearing to unconscious humans only, and can never appear to conscious beings. Very laughable

OkaiCorne:
By the way, you have made a sincere request that you want to see God. I pray from the bottom of my heart and with every fiber of my being, that the Eternal Creator will manifest Himself to you in a way that will destroy all shreds of doubt in your heart.

I know you are a man who does not want to practice a blind faith, but rather, you want to know why you are doing what you are doing.

The Eternal Father sees your heart and He shall answer you accordingly.

I have done my bit. I'll leave the rest for the TRUTH to handle. Until then, stick to what works for you.

All the best.

The only way your eternal creator can destroy every shred of doubt(Although I am not a doubter, I am certain he doesn't exist) in my heart is to appear to me physically and I will perceive him through the senses and sense organs he allegedly created. Then I will know he can do all things and I can touch him while I still live. Else, you know the rest of the story. And of course, when I see him with my eyes and touch him with my hands, then I will know and not believe he exists.

It's not that I don't want to practice a blind faith, I don't even want to have faith at all. I want to know him, know like know something for sure with concise evidence.

OkaiCorne:
By the way, Nairaland has to give you a trophy on behalf of all atheists on this forum. I really admire your tenacity and guile for making me stretch this thread to over 32 pages. This is the thread I've commented on the most since I joined Nairaland.

Guy... you try no be small.

I don't need recognition from anybody. I am just holding onto what I know. I am sure of what I have practiced and tested. I am not just a random guy who is an atheist. I became an atheist when my scientific knowledge took a giant leap, when I saw that science explains the universe and religion does not. I questioned the existence of a God and I realized that I was a product of indoctrination. If it comes to a spirit being behind the universe, then it's a NO NO for me.

Most atheists here, however, don't even have a basis for atheism. They cannot back it up with any fact or theory. Maybe that's why I have the tenacity to drag it this long but you also tried.

shadeyinka:
I see that it is impossible to discuss rationally scientifically with you. You are prone to going tangent to issues by reinterpreting words according to what you hoped to hear.

I will just briefly speak on these direct questions.

Every physical thing has a cause. God is spirit.

The only thing I hope to read from you is pure science, which is not what you have been typing. You have been deviating from real science or hiding under some tenets and hereby refusing to accept established scientific facts.

Back to your answers.

What is the cause of God, the spirit?

shadeyinka:
I said God is not subject to time. Your question is like saying that since humans don't eat fish food, they cannot produce fish food.

My question is not like the description you stated about humans and fish food. Eating is different from God making use of time, please use a correct analogy.

An analogy is this, if humans don't wear clothes, they cannot use clothes. Or if humans don't eat food then they cannot use food. That's simple as ABC.

We are talking about the use of time by God and not the use of time by humans. And again not the production of time.

shadeyinka:
Just like it is evident that humans didn't create the computer because humans don't speak binary numbers.

Didn't humans create the computers? Who did?

Is this another scientific blunder? Your claim is not evident because computers are man-made.

OkaiCorne:
If a teacher like God should be held responsible for his students (humans) failure even after showing them simple answers.

I showed you children's testimony to God's existence, you said it's fantasy. That of adults you said it's delusional.

If God reveals Himself to you...you might think your brain is playing tricks on you or it's probably malaria.

It's well sha...

The irony is that God is not a teacher. A teacher is not supreme to his students.

God's position cannot be logically equated to the position of a teacher, a teacher doesn't receive worship and does not know the origin of his students. Truth be told, I am tired of you bringing unrelated analogies into our discussions. The perception of God is supreme and cannot be compared to any other non-supreme beings.

If God reveals himself to me when I am not sick why not? As I am talking to you now, if I can see God the way I am seeing my laptop, then I will surrender. It will not be a matter of belief to me, it will be known. I will see God and know that he exists.

The children were sleeping when they saw God, the adults died(claimed) or were near death when they saw God.

All the stories had one thing in common. Unbalanced consciousness. How do you want me to believe them? I am bigger than that.

OkaiCorne:
Did you consider the fact that people's ignorance and shallow thinking is also responsible for poverty. Consider intelligence and Consciousness for goodness sake.

If people's ignorance and shallow thinking are responsible for poverty, then why promise them riches when you know it is completely in their hands?

Oh, let me guess, God didn't realize people were going to be ignorant and shallow in thinking?

Or better still he thought he would be able to beat all odds and make them rich despite their ignorance and shallow mind, which he couldn't?

I didn't see the verse where he said I became poor so you might be rich except if you're ignorant and shallow minded.

He said if they believe in him they will be rich, which turned out as a lie.

When the physical law is at work and a social standard is at play, God remains invalid. This is the reason the legend Karl Marx became an atheist.

OkaiCorne:
What makes you think I didn't consider the possibility of chemicals in my brain playing tricks and illusion on me? If you never experienced what I experienced, it is very wrong to use theoretical knowledge to counter a practical experience.

It's not a matter of consideration, it's a matter of testing. Did you test if you had illusory chemicals in your blood at that time or you just threw the thoughts in and out like garbage? Oga I am not using theory, I repeat. I am telling you the FACT.

OkaiCorne:
By the way, Akiane Kramarik didn't have a near death experience before seeing Heaven...but oh well, I guess she was just a child with beautiful fantasies and delusions.

Exactly, fantasies.

Of course, I had also seen something in my fantasies too. A place where the streets were painted with gold with beautiful houses and a King on the throne. I clamored on it for years and said it was heaven. I saw Jesus at a point in time when I was in a vision. But all those things were fantasies bro. When I grew and detached from childhood dreams, I realized the power of the mind. The mind is creative and can create what is not there. What makes it an illusion is that, at that point, it is only happening to you.

OkaiCorne:
There's also Robert Liaidon who had a similar experience to Kramarik...his started as a child.

But I'm sure you are thinking he experienced fantasies too.

Infact all children with such experiences are delusional sef...

Nice conclusion there...(no jabs intended)

Did you ask yourself why they were all children? I bet you never did, lol

By December during the festive periods, adults know who is behind the Santa dress, but children usually think it is a mighty fairy Santa. That's the way it works. Some of them even cry for Santa, are those the children you believe their account of fantasy?


Abeg, na beg I dey beg you, can we stop discussing children's fantasies?

OkaiCorne:
What of the people that believes in God and they are stinkingly rich?

Life is not always black and white, you also need to consider the possibilities of a GREY somewhere.

And please don't tell me energy alone is responsible for this.

Cheers

That's why I told you that it doesn't depend on God. God does not exist, if he does then his worshippers shouldn't be poor. In the Bible, they said Jesus became poor so that his followers can be rich, but that's not reality. Once again, another lie it turned out to be.

There are also people who don't believe in any God and yet they are also stinkingly rich.

Energy is already responsible for what it is responsible for, but it doesn's guarantee riches. I told you that, on the other hand, r hand guaranteed riches and good life, and he is woefully failing to fulfil it because he doesn't exist.

...

OkaiCorne:
That's your perception. If you have not experienced what I experienced, you are only using theory to try and counter practical.

I know you are being nice by not telling me directly that I am deluded.

But if this delusion works perfectly well for me and everyone around me... it's either I am the best cunning liar and dribbler you've ever met...or I am telling you the TRUTH.

My conclusion is if God will wait until near death experience before appearing to you then he is the God of the dead.

What is the practical? You saw God in your near death experience when the illusory chemicals in your brain are hyperactive? I dare that same God to appear to you in your room now so that you two can snap a picture and send to me. Brother please just stop this already.

I also know people who had near-death experiences and they also had illusions and confirmed it. That's practical.

If we scientists wait to be in near-death experience before we study what happens there, then we will not move forward. There are known illusory chemicals and once they are being produced in large quantities we know what's happening. It's not theory

So you know I am being nice, right?

This non-delusion also works for me and the atheists I know. We are doing good and we don't need a God for our success.

You see, that's how life works, if you do what you are supposed to do, the consequences will be sweet.

I know many people who believe in a God and they are abjectly poor.

OkaiCorne:
What of people that died and came back to life? Were they also delusional?


I have had a personal experience with death myself, and don't even try to conclude on my behalf that I was delusional based on what I experienced. If you have never had such experience please don't conclude on my behalf.

Anyways...all the best, till we see in December.

Have you seen someone who died and came back? Someone close to you?

You cannot just be believing them say them say. Nobody can die and rise again. Except if the person goes into a deep coma and some quack doctors announce hem dead.

When you are dying, your consciousness is fading and illusions and delusions set in. You begin to see things that are not there, these phenomena have been explained by science, so don't come here and tell me what I know. If God can only be found during a near-death experience, then it is fair to assume he is a dead God. The type that you only find when you are dying(deluded) or when your consciousness is disturbed?

Why can't God be found when consciousness is balanced? Why just when you're dead or near death or in a coma?

Can't Jesus consciously appear to children or people in a conscious state than seeing him in fantasies?

Santa Claus also exists in fantasies, the spaghetti monster also exists there and so does Jesus.

Until Jesus or God start showing themselves consciously, please don't bring fantasies as proves to me. I'm more than that, please. I have gone beyond that level, okay?

Remanded in Kirikiri until 18 February is too much for an alleged criminal fa, that's over 2 months. He should be granted bail. There is no law in this country. When the law itself is tramping on people's freedom then it's no more law.





Meanwhile, I don't support fraud or scam, it's not a hustle.

OkaiCorne:
Akin1212, whether you believe in God or not, it does not stop me from seeing you as my friend and brother.

I have never met you in person and I am really looking forward to meeting you.

Before we choose to believe or discard the existence of God, let us bear in mind that we are first Human beings that shares an ancestral root from the ancient past.

I have seen a bond (which can be strong) which I do not want to be severed on account of our differences.

If the Sun and rain falls on my head and yours, if we have access to the same air and good things of life...then who am I to decide your eternal fate is to be in a meat roasting, Suya producing facility (Hell)? I leave the Alpha and Omega to judge.

I would have said thank God for letting our paths cross on Nairaland (but unfortunately, you don't believe in the existence of God)

You can say thank Goodness instead. It works well for me.

OkaiCorne:
That God does not exist is your opinion. Your opinion does not mean it is a fact.

I am not forcing God on you. Frankly speaking, I do not care whether you believe in His existence or not.

You have made your decision, but never decide who is delusional or not, if you have not had the exposure and life experience that they had.

What makes my opinion a fact and reasonable is that I can provide evidence for the nonexistence of a God.

I have explained why I can reach the conclusion that people are delusional to you. A doctor does not have to be sick to know that his patients are sick. There are signs and symptoms of delusion too.

And as someone who studies behaviours and experience, I can boldly tell you that they are deluded.

OkaiCorne:
Children's dreams and fantasies? Two unrelated witnesses seeing the same face is still a fantasy? quite interesting. What of the numerous testimonies of others - both adults and kids that died (not Near Death Experience) and came back to life? Were they also having delusional fantasies? Do you have incontrovertible evidences to counter these people and let them know they are delusional? Can you prove to CNN, Oprah Winfrey and the entire world that what Akiane Kramarik and Colton Burpo experienced is a HOAX?

Yes, children's fantasies of 4 years and another toddler, replaying what their parents must have told them about Jesus in their heads. That two different people are in different locations is not a justification that they cannot have the same fantasy. I used to have such fantasies too. In one of my fantasies, I saw Jesus in a vision too, and tell you what? He does not look like that one you posted up there. Now I can tell if someone is delusional, it's not a hard thing to fathom.
CNN is full of bigots, that they report world news doesn't make them a scientific body that verifies claims before broadcasting them. Why can't CNN or Oprah and not the entire world some people in the world be deluded? You seem to think I am the only atheist in the world. The third largest group of people in the world are atheists. Don't get it twisted.

OkaiCorne:
It's not about me being religious, I am giving you reasons for other people's convictions and why they believe what they believe. Please don't miss the point I'm trying to pass across.

You are not in the best position to tell others they are delusional if you have not experienced what they have experienced - that is my point

It is definitely about you being religious. There are no reasons for beliefs other than illusory reasons that something exists and cannot be shown to you. Something exists and created this realm but you cannot see him in this realm except you transgress into another realm, excuse me...

How many people have Jesus appeared to out of the 3 billion believers he has? How many of them can identify him as that painting? Please, give me empirical evidence and not people's visions which were borne out of delusions and indoctrinations. Jesus should appear for once and quench all controversies. He once existed, didn't he? Why is it so difficult to show himself now?

If a psychologist wants to conclude that you are delusional, does he need to be in your shoes? Hell no, if you are not correlating with reality then you're in delusion, if you cannot provide empirical evidence for what you say exist, that's delusion. If you say an ant is on the wall and we can't see the ant, it's delusion. A lot of people have started waking up from the delusions.

OkaiCorne:
They said Jesus is the God the Son who has shown Himself to this world. If Jesus has manifested Himself on earth, what more do you want to see to know that God exists?

You're very funny I swear, can you even imagine the above statement?

Now let me ask you, did you see Jesus? I don't know if Jesus manifested at all because I did not see him.

I don't have a belief, I don't believe in they said. If Jesus has once lived, as far as I am concerned he was a man. Who peed, defecated, slept, ate, cried, laughed, gave birth and died. Not the one that was reinvented at the council of Nicaea.

OkaiCorne:
Before you jump at me, there were tests carried out Jesus' DNA which you have said is a scam, what if it is true? Or did all of Jesus DNA disappear from Earth...but it's only John the Baptist's own they could find? What of the tomb Jesus was temporarily buried or the cross He was crucified on?

This is not jumping at you, I don't know maybe you expect me to be in some agreement with you or something. Inasmuch as you believe there is a supreme power at work, you and I can never have a common ground. I DO NOT BELIEVE SOMETHING SUPERIOR IS INVOLVED IN THE UNIVERSE'S PLIGHT.

On the DNA, just don't go there at all. Desperate apologists who were trying to prove the existence of Jesus at all costs came up crying in public that they found the DNA of Jesus which was foiled. I gave you links. I don't even want to discuss that, it's so ridiculous.

OkaiCorne:
If truly we have gone past the insulting stage, there's really no point making a mockery of my perspective OR the point of views of others that have a strong conviction knowing why they believe what they believe. There are theists who believe in the existence of God by blind faith (which is quite a shallow foundation I don't recommend) rather, I am referring to those who believe in the existence of God through INSIGHT and UNDERSTANDING.

Inasmuch as you are believing, you are still exercising faith without evidence. There's no amount of insight or understanding that beats evidence and facts. How can you understand what you cannot see, how can you have insight on something you cannot prove?

We are gone past insulting, and that was not mockery. It's the truth, how can you bring children's fantasies into the argument? You thought it would convince me or what?

shadeyinka:
I can see where we both differ. Masslessness you have defined from rest mass point of view. But not all particles have rest mass or volume.

Are you deliberately rejecting knowledge because you want to sustain your belief in God?

I am not talking about rest mass or rest volume, I am talking about particles without mass whether at rest or not. They exist, just do your research and learn more.

shadeyinka:
Quantum theory is the theoretical basis of modern physics that explains the nature and behavior of matter and energy on the atomic and subatomic level. The nature and behavior of matter and energy at that level is sometimes referred to as quantum physics and quantum mechanics.

Because Quantum theory studies energy and matter does not mean energy depends on matter. Just stop twisting things. There has to be energy before matter can come into existence. Matter can be created and destroyed, energy cannot.

shadeyinka:
Yes, in quantum physics some "matter" have no rest mass and some do not have rest volume. However, I still see them as matter. Matter can be decoupled such that energy is released.

The wave-particle duality of matter states that there is no fundamental difference in the makeup and behavior of energy and matter; on the atomic and subatomic level either may behave as if made of either particles or waves. Elementary particles of both energy and matter behave, depending on the conditions, like either particles or waves.

Wave-particle duality does not state that energy and matter are the same. You don't have to turn physics upside down because you want to prove that a God is behind the universe. Energy is a property of waves and also a property of particles. And that statement up there is not physics, I guess it is what you think.

How can you say the behaviour of energy and matter is the same? And you typed this with your hands? Damn it, it's anti scientific to even read this.

Matter refers to objects, Energy refers to properties that objects should have. Do you need links and academic journals?

shadeyinka:
It is impossible to separate energy from matter and still arrive at quantum physics. This brings the question; did matter exist before the big bang? Obviously not! But energy exists! From where? For energies don't just exist.

Quantum physics or quantum mechanics does not study energy and matter as phenomena with the same behaviour. It instead studies energy and matter as two phenomena that interact with each other. That is, matter can possess energy, etc etc etc. I have stated in my former posts that matter(mass) did not exist before the big bang. But Energy and massless particles existed before the big bang.

Energy has always existed, it is the one thing that has always existed. And it can and has been shown many times by the first law of the conservation of energy. I am surprised you are still asking how energy existed, I could as well ask you how God just exist since you don't believe that Energy can just exist.

shadeyinka:
It is an enigma which is impossible to solve as God is impossible to comprehend. Every form of Energy we know have its source of origin (I stand to be corrected). And the source is usually matter (including elementary particles with either no static volume or mass).

It is not impossible to solve. That is why people like you believe there is a God because you want to fill the gaps. You don't want to look into it. Why would you have faith when you can know? Faith does not give knowledge, it gives nothing.

I am disappointed to read from you that every form of energy you know have a source when it has been established that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, or don't you understand the concept? You just stated the conservation of energy in your previous post and you're here saying the opposite. SMH.
Every form of Energy is a conversion from another form, you don't know any source of energy. How can matter be the source of energy? This is very funny. In fact, for matter to be used or before matter can be useful, it must have energy. How then can it be the source of energy?

shadeyinka:
The same faith it takes to believe that Matter and Energy can spontaneously appear is what it takes to believe that God is.

Now, let's look at electromagnetic energies. The source? Oscillating/accelerating electrons. Electrons are particles of zero volume. So you see, even electomagnetic energies cannot exist without matter.

The bottom line is that both matter, time and energy were simultaneously.

I see that you got to the conclusion or faith that God exists based on confusion and not knowledge (No pun intended).

We didn't believe by faith that Energy and matter can appear simultaneously, we know it. Because we have empirically tested it.

Only God requires faith and not empirical evidence. You can believe that a God has existed all along without needing to see him. There is no such blind faith in science.

Electromagnetic energy does not radiate from accelerating or oscillating electrons. Electromagnetic energies are formed by the conversion of rotational and vibration energies of the electrons. A source of a particular energy is another energy which it is converted from. Solar energy from the sun is the source of the chemical energies in food, chemical energy in food is the source of heat energy in humans. And this is the basis of the first law of the conservation of energy. Matter does not produce energy. It will be a good thing if you stop corrupting science with what you think, sir.

shadeyinka:
There is something like time!

Time is the measure of the intervals between events. In an empty space, time is meaningless. However, when the space contains moving particles or energies time measured as intervals between change in states have meaning.

Before the big bang, its obvious that time doesn't exist. Why? The universe was supposed to be empty of activities.

If time alone is taken out of physical expressions we use in computation, velocity becomes meaningless and similarly almost all the physical constants we use collapse.

Do you see why I said that it is impossible to use our current laws laws of physics to unravel anything prior to the big bang.

So, one of the questions we should ask ourselves is that: what are the physical laws that existed before the big bang and how come these forces just seem to disappear into oblivion? Certainly the 4 fundermental forces cannot account for the big bang.

On time, you just corroborated what I said. Time is our invention. There is nothing as time as far as the universe is concerned.

We are the ones who invented time to separate the past from the future. Time is not a physical law, nothing depends on time.

We only use time to measure how fast or slow an event occurs. How far or close we are to something. It is not a constant. And no physical constant depends on it.

The four fundamental laws are post big bang. I told you this yesterday. They all depend on the existence of matter, which occurred after the big bang and consequent expansion of the universe.

The physical laws before the big bang all depended on energy which is still very much active today. More physical laws came after the big bang, and the ones before the big bang are still very much active too. But because we were not there, we can't measure it nor know, but no physical law disappeared.

shadeyinka:
As a thesist, my conclusion is that
1. There must have been an uncaused prime mover and changer of energy through space. We call Him God!
2. Since time doesn't exist in His frame of reference, He isnt made up of matter.
3. He operates in a law that is completely different from our current physical laws. We call it law of the spirit.

I do not expect you to conclude less than this but then you have questions to answer.

1) If you believe that everything must be caused, then as a rule of thumb you must also account for what caused God, because there cannot be anything uncaused.

- If you answer is that God is uncaused, then it is fair enough to also say Energy is uncaused.

2) That God doesn't use time is your own assumption. If you say no, okay did he tell you that personally? If God does not use time then why has he set a time for judgement? A time for creation which theists believed was 8000 years ago? A time for Satan to be punished etc etc etc

- I cannot guess your answer here, but whatever it is, exolain it clearly.

3) If this God operates in a law that is different from our physical laws then it is fair to say he did not create our physical laws. And how did you even know he operates in any law at all, is it by belief(faith) or empirical evidence that can be shown to us?

analize701:
Is it possible for Muslims to talk about islam leaving Christianity out of it?

Sir, I'm prepared to hear anything, that's why i'm asking. Let me worry about what you have to tell me.

Again, it's not about believing in YHWH or Ogun, it's about salvation that allah gives.

Let me for the last time ask, if you fail to answer me this time, i'll take it that you don't know what salvation is and why man needs to he saved.

What is Sin? We have sinned right? What is that? How does it affect our relationship with allah?

Why do we need allah to save us?

How did he save us.

As simple as ABC. teach me Islam pls.


Is there no any Muslim to help his brethren out here?

Can't you see that he has no answer to give you?

OkaiCorne:
Based on the vision Akiane Kramarik had as a tender child. This is the true face of Jesus...considering the fact that she was a prodigy at Painting;

Bear in mind that another unrelated witness (Colton Burpo) corroborated this same face at the tender age of 4 in a near death experience.

When you meet Akiane Kramarik or Colton Burpo and argue with them that God does not exist, based on their experience in the realm of Eternity...they would also think you are Delusional.

You can check out more of her paintings here;
https://akiane.com/

Do you realize how ridiculous you seem right now? Children's dreams and fantasy is what you base your belief on?

Lol, let me just laugh my heart out loud

I don't give a Bleep about what people are seeing in their heads bro, talk more of children's fantasies.

If God is real, let him show himself in this REAL world, else, he doesn't. Or there's something your God cannot do?

OkaiCorne:
Back to the bolded, you are not delusional...neither are theists delusional(well those that knows what they are doing and not just following blind faith).

You have made a choice on where to put your anchor and build your foundation, and you have built your beliefs on that foundation. Perhaps you never had a deep foundation in theism as you do in energy right now. Before you conclude on all theists being delusional, there are theists that had personal experiences and convictions that led them to die for what they believed in (I'm not referring to suicide bombers).

For example, are you concluding that the early Christians that were fed to lions or burned alive in the Roman Empire were delusional? Or the Christian women that were brutally raped by roman soldiers while their husbands watched were delusional? Or those that were tied in a bag full of poisonous snakes and scorpions with heavy stones and thrown into the sea to drown were delusional? NO they had COMPLETE TRUST (faith and conviction) in Jesus and the things He stood for i.e. Unconditional Love for God and man, just like how you have pitched your tent in having COMPLETE TRUST in Energy.

I will share a link on the story of a gifted child artist (now a fully grown woman). Her name is Akiane Kramarik...and please, if you were not in her shoes to experience what she experienced, don't conclude she is delusional

Akiane Kramarik was a child born to Parents who did not have a firm belief in God, but now her Parents are Theists and Christians. Kindly check out her story below;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akiane

Of course, I cannot be delusional because I do not have a belief. But theists are fully delusional because they do, they do not conform to reality. If there is a system that just wants you to believe that something exists without showing you what exists, then delusion is in question.

I did not build my beliefs on any foundation. I don't have beliefs, it's a matter of empirical evidence. I don't believe something I cannot see is at work just like theists do... You should know that too.

People can die for false beliefs, it doesn't make it right. You cannot exempt suicide bombers from the list because they are also dying for their belief.

I don't have complete trust in energy, where are all these assertions coming from? It seems you are trying to force me into a belief system or what? Did I tell you I trust in energy?

I don't need to be in a child artist shoes before I conclude she is delusional. If you claim you have a certain encounter with a spirit, then what do you term that? it's delusion bro.

OkaiCorne:
I'm very happy you can synthesize "God" with many modes and see Him from the view point of nature and science. Keep it up...with time, you'll be able to see more perspectives of "God" apart from Energy and Nature. (I am not being sarcastic here)

Unless you are claiming you know it all right now...

You don't need to force God on me. I am not seeing God from any mode. There is no God and I am firm on that already.

I was only trying to explain Spinozism to you, not my own views. I do not see God as energy, neither do I see him as nature. I see him as nonexistent, and you need to understand that fact.

Lirqur:
Yeah it says that in the Quran. And Allah also allows a lot to happen, we are currently expressing our freewill. He knows the heart of all men.

You are a bag of contradictions sir, you seem confused. According to the Quran Christians are not going to say any Alahu akbar or whatever. They will burn in hell. But here you are saying a different thing entirely.

Enjoy.

Lirqur:
And what is Yahweh's way ?

Salvation is everything you know and believe it to be just as you currently believe now, you're correct. I'm just letting you know you'll still end up saying Allahu Akbar in the end. You're doing exactly what Christianity was intended for. and you're right with what you believe now, just warming you up for the future.

Your bolded assertions are wrong because according to the Quran, anybody who believes Jesus to be God will go to hell.

frank317:
Yap born and bred...more than half of my early life in z town

Wow, that's nice.