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ThothHermes:
And if am neither?

The God you fight is in your head. "Man made God in his own image"
This doesn't exclude your kind.

I don't care if you're neither. That's obvious!

Have a nice time.

TV01:
Animals form homosexual relationships Yeh sure, they also congregate at gay bars . Who comes up with these arguments? Animals are brute beasts, driven by instinct. A dog will mate with a vacuum cleaner if no female is available. So humans are brute beasts now?

Lmao, you're yet to really understand the human nature. So you haven't seen humans, esp men fvucking a hole on the wall? You haven't seen women, fuvking inanimate objects like bottles and cucumbers? Who told you that humans are not subject to instincts? Are you thinking this through before responding or replying?

Congregating at gay bars is not what defines homosexuality, homosexuality is simply the act when animals of the same sex mate, whether it is done in the bush, water, sky, on a tree or on a mattress doesn't make it less what it is. You need to understand that. Any other thing that is attached to it is a social construct of how different animals socialize.

TV01:
All kinds of beastly behaviour occur in the animal kingdom, Does it follow for humans to? Take your pick, cannibalism, incest and infanticide, to name a few.

And yes, the body does abhor it. The pathologies of same sex relationships are well documented. And it's more than just headaches .


TV

What do you mean by does it follow for humans? I didn't stutter when I said humans are animals, or you didn't read that clearly? Cannibalism, incest and infanticide, yeah humans do these things. Do you need to be schooled or told this in 2019? Name all you want to name, fathers have sex with their daughters, sons have sex with their mothers too, talk more of sisters to brothers. Please don't even respond again. I could see why Tingtinz ignored you now.

Even opposite sex relationship has 100s of pathologies that are well documented, does the body abhor it too? You're just one of the homophobic people who are concerned about what does not in any way affect your life.

elated177:
There is nothing fallacious in saying that homosexuality is unnatural. It is unnatural. Nature abhors it. Plain and simple. The sexual attraction that exists between people of the same sex is unnatural. The body itself abhors it.

The body told you that it abhors it? If it is against nature then why do other animals do it, or have you forgotten that humans are also animals?

ThothHermes:
Pulling assumptions from your behind I see

Read to understand. The words nevertheless and if were used. I want to believe you know what they mean and how they are applied, yeah?

tintingz:
My goodness. This dude does not even understand anything I'm saying here.

Lol

ThothHermes:
Yen yen yen...

You have defined God and now you are fighting your definition.

What if God is emotionless?

What if nonintervention in human affairs is part of the plan?

There are numerous possibilities you have not considered.

Stop shadowboxing!

Please, can you answer if you are a Muslim or a Christian?

Nevertheless, if you're any of the two, then the God you serve is not emotionless, the God you serve is a great intervenor in the affairs of men. And this is documented in whichever holy book you read.

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



You really are quite stupid, you know.

[color=silver].[/color] JOSHUA 1:8.

8. "This Book of The Law
shall not depart out of thy mouth
but thou shalt meditate therein day and night,
that thou mayest do
according to all that is written therein:
for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous,
and then thou shalt have Good success."

[color=silver].[/color] PSALM 1:1-6.

BLESSED is the man
that walketh not in The Counsel of the Ungodly,
nor standeth in The Way of Sinners,
nor sitteth in The Seat of the Scornful.
2. But his delight is in The Law of The LORD;
and in His Law doth he meditate day and night.
3. And he shall be like a tree
planted by the rivers of water,
that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4. The Ungodly are not so:
but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5. Therefore the Ungodly shall not stand in the Judgment,
nor Sinners in the Congregation of the Righteous.
6. For The LORD knoweth The Way of the Righteous:
but the Way of the Ungodly shall perish.

[color=silver].[/color] PSALM 119:97-105.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies are my meditation.
100. I understand more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts I get Understanding:
therefore I hate every False Way.
105. Thy Word is a Lamp unto my feet,
and a Light unto my path.


[color=silver].[/color] PSALM 119:97-105.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies are my meditation.
100. I understand more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts I get Understanding:
therefore I hate every False Way.
105. Thy Word is a Lamp unto my feet,
and a Light unto my path.

FOOLS WHO ARE ONLY 10% CONSCIOUS- OR LESS- AT ANY GIVEN TIME, POMPOUSLY PRESUME THAT THEY HAVE SOMETHING THEY CALL "INTELLIGENCE?"

THE BIBLE taught us the cure for MALARIA since 3,000 years ago!

Here it is:

. DEUTERONOMY 28:49-57.

49. The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far,
from the End of the Earth, as swift as the eagle flieth;
a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
50. A nation of fierce countenance,
which shall not regard the person of the old,
nor shew favour to the young:
51. And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle,
and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed:
which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil,
or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep,
until he have destroyed thee.
52. And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates,
until thy high and fenced walls come down,
wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land:
and he shall besiege thee
in all thy gates throughout all thy land,
Which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
53. And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body,
the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters,
which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege,
and in the straitness,
wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
54. So that the man that is tender among you,
and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother,
and toward the wife of his bosom,
and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
55. So that he will not give to any of them
of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat:
because he hath nothing left him in the siege,
and in the straitness,
wherewith thine enemies
shall distress thee in all thy gates.
56. The tender and delicate woman among you,
which would not adventure
to set the sole of her foot upon the ground
for delicateness and tenderness,
her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom,
and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
57. And toward her young one
that cometh out from between her feet,
and toward her children which she shall bear:
for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly
in the siege and straitness,
wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.

THIS PRINCIPLE CURES ABOUT 98% OF FUNCTIONAL AILMENTS, AND 98% OF DISEASES.

Humility is required to understand The Bible.

You are a very foolish human being. How does this jargon tell us about malaria caused by a protozoan carried by the vector Anopheles Mosquito?

true2god:
I think you should debate religion and leave science out of it. When you attempt to 'force' science into the Quran, that is a recipe for more confusion. I really don't see any sense you make with this application of an unrelated scientific formula with a Qur'anic verse. You ended muddling up the whole argument.

tintingz:
Are you saying Allah also work with time?

Lol, don't mind the guy, he must have seen the useless equation somewhere on the Internet from websites that promote pseudoscience
As you can see, they had to do reverse calculation by first using the speed of light to get all the non constant values. Najib blindly took the calculation and tried to use it to prove God. The question is, how does the calculation of speed of light prove that the realm of God is different or God is real? Does that light represent Allah? Why was the moon used as reference, why not the sun? The moon is not even the source of light.

I don't blame him though for this desperation, he has further proved that there is no God anywhere and he is just a deluded fellow full of childhood indoctrination.

najib632:
Allah is the God of the living and the dead, the seen and unseen, the known and unknown. Allah is blanced and he had already told us that this life is a test and when we die, the reality will befall us. How we lived our lives will dictate our condition in the hereafter. It is from the grave that a soul will know wether it os destined to go hell or paradise.

Are you saying Allah can be seen while we are alive? Are you saying this life is not reality? What is the mechanism used by a soul to know, can you explain that?

najib632:
Because the test has come to an end and our purpose is not to see Allah but to worship Him and recognise His signs. You will agree with me that there are some functionalities of the brain that are not accessible to the human being, on judgement day this abilities will be accessible to the human and besides the deal is done. The veil between the spiritual realm and physical real will be lifted all dimensions will merge. So all the Jinns and the angels you deny their existence you will see them on that day, aliens or other creations of Allah will be seen too...

What test? Why exactly are we being tested in this body when the body is useless? If the purpose is to be in paradise or wherever, why didn't Allah just created us and put us there? Are we some kind of game that Allah and Satan are playing? You know, like chess where the puns are killed and taken by each player? Can't you see how ridiculous your justification of this Allah seem? This same Allah gave us the ability to recognize his signs and as well the ability not to, abi? How did he expect us to use what he gave us? Are you saying he has destined those who will be in hell already by giving them the ability to reject him? How then is he all-benevolent?

Lol, let's take for instance, my great grandfather who died about 100yrs ago, whose brain had been turned to fossil, how will parts of his brain be accessible? All these are bold claims, provide just one evidence to show they are true, objectively true.
I am not interested in your imaginations, I want truth only backed by facts and evidence.

najib632:
Yes of course!
How ?

Answer the question

najib632:
This reality is a test, we were created and given a choice to worship Allah alone without ascribing partners to Him in worship, those who let the devil misguide them(those who do not truly believe) will realise their stupidity and arrogance. While they were on earth they used to mock those who were not misguided by the devil (those who are sincere to Allah) and see them as fools and treat them harshly and tarnish their image, both will be paid with what they have earned.

This reality is not a test. There are many important things you and I do more than worshipping Allah. You don't worship Allah 24hrs, do you? You work for instance. If we were given a choice to worship Allah, then we were also given a choice not to, the question is why were we given a choice not to worship Allah by Allah who wants to be worshipped? It's not hard to see the fantasy, is it?

If there is a Devil who is misleading people, then Allah, if he exists is in tandem with him. Why can't Allah destroy this Devil so that his creations can face him alone and not have distractions,can't Allah kill the Devil?

najib632:
Allah is in a reality far greater and higher than ours, a 1000 year of ours is equivalent to one day with Him:
يُدَبِّرُ ٱلۡأَمۡرَ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ إِلَى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ ثُمَّ يَعۡرُجُ إِلَيۡهِ فِي يَوۡمٖ كَانَ مِقۡدَارُهُۥٓ أَلۡفَ سَنَةٖ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ

(Sahih International)
He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count.

-Sura As-Sajdah, Ayah 5

Do you see the equation?
Speed = Distance/ Time


Speed = the affair

Time = day

Distance = a thousand years

Sidereal day = 23 H 56 min 4.0906 sec = 86164.0906 sec =Time

1000 years = 12000 months

Assuming L = The route length of the moon's trip in one month

Distance = 12000 × L where, L = vT
T = Period of moons
revolution
v = Relative speed to
star or universe =
ve.cosX
X = angle formed by
earth's revolution
during one
sidereal month
ve =Relative speed to
earth = 3682.07
km/hr

= 12000 × (ve × cosX) × T
= 12000 × 3682.07 km/hr × 0.89157 × 655.71986 hr
= 25831348035.086 km

Speed = 25831348035.086 km / 86164.0906 sec
= 299792.49 = Speed of light.

Allah's realm is different.

وَقُلِ ٱلۡحَمۡدُ لِلَّهِ سَيُرِيكُمۡ ءَايَٰتِهِۦ فَتَعۡرِفُونَهَاۚ وَمَا رَبُّكَ بِغَٰفِلٍ عَمَّا تَعۡمَلُونَ

(Sahih International)
And say, "[All] praise is [due] to Allah . He will show you His signs, and you will recognize them. And your Lord is not unaware of what you do."

-Sura An-Naml, Ayah 93

Pseudoscience, besides the fact that this calculation has been manipulated and calculated with non constant parameters, light does not represent Allah, light has been made to travel faster that 3.0 X 10⁸, why would you assume L is the route length of the moon's trip, why the moon and not the sun, after all light comes from the sun and not the moon? Do you know that given a set of non constant values your birthday can be calculated trickly. Please, my friend, pseudoscience is not a good thing, desist from self deceit, you need to see how hard I laughed

najib632:
Arrogance! Stop yourself from aging and dying. Infact let's not go too far stop yourself from excreting waste products from your body or design yourself to not breath oxygen or eat food .

Waking up by my might means I keep my health in check. I cannot stop myself from ageing and it's not Allah that makes me age either. I know why you're confused, it's because of your pseudoscientific nature. This baloney you posted up here is nonsense. Ageing can be prevented, we already know what causes ageing. Design yourself to not breathe oxygen, lol my guy your reasoning though

Aging has been reversed in human cells and a living mice. Once again, Allah has diminished.

najib632:
Their test is over...

Allah creates what He wills, only Allah has a will, the humans only have a choice but many do not know. Allah made the child to be a test to his parents, while his test was the discomfort of the ailment, for every discomfort a person suffers and endures for the sake of Allah will reward the person with what he cannot imagine and cleanse him of his sins and forgive him and have mercy upon him. Allah tests the soul with only what it can bear.

لَا يُكَلِّفُ ٱللَّهُ نَفۡسًا إِلَّا وُسۡعَهَاۚ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتۡ وَعَلَيۡهَا مَا ٱكۡتَسَبَتۡۗ رَبَّنَا لَا تُؤَاخِذۡنَآ إِن نَّسِينَآ أَوۡ أَخۡطَأۡنَاۚ رَبَّنَا وَلَا تَحۡمِلۡ عَلَيۡنَآ إِصۡرٗا كَمَا حَمَلۡتَهُۥ عَلَى ٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبۡلِنَاۚ رَبَّنَا وَلَا تُحَمِّلۡنَا مَا لَا طَاقَةَ لَنَا بِهِۦۖ وَٱعۡفُ عَنَّا وَٱغۡفِرۡ لَنَا وَٱرۡحَمۡنَآۚ أَنتَ مَوۡلَىٰنَا فَٱنصُرۡنَا عَلَى ٱلۡقَوۡمِ ٱلۡكَٰفِرِينَ

(Sahih International)
Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned. "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."

-Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayah 286

Balderdash!

Give a plausible, factual, testable, reproducible, systematic, empirical, logical, and objective evidence for this your claim of Allah. Telling us that someone did it is not enough. Who created a powerful being auch as Allah, who?

Empiree:
I thought you said "bye"?. Your conscience's killing you?. I can't make you understand anything, buddy. Your past two post got me thinking the bed to revisit replying you back and forth. It is ridiculous.

Lol and your consciousness didn't tell you that the phrase keep it to yourself is another way of saying goodbye? I just had to remind you oh how ridiculous your reasoning or thoughts are..

Michellekabod2:
Easy man,what's going on here?

I think you need to keep that mad man in check under chains. That's what's up.

Empiree:
What is so painful is these fake atheists don't understand anything. Smh it is so painful and I have absolutely no time for explanatory analysis.

You understand everything. In this century and at this age, you still think a spirit wakes you up everyday because it favors you. It's such a pity that your reasoning is still wack like this. Don't bother explaining anything. Just keep it to yourself.

Empiree:
As i said before, i wont engage in endless argument when i know for a fact that you already made up you mind. But deep down you know that you are deceiving yourselves. You may brag all you want now but my posts here are meant to admonish you that it is never too late. You may brag all you want that God doesn't exist and all that bcus you can not see Him. Your case is like that of astronaut who went up there and after a while he wrote from there that God doesnt exist bcus he can not see Him. What he doesnt realize is that he is up there on oxygen. The moment the oxygen runs out before completes his mission, then he would realize existence of God. It is easy for you two to brag all you want but when appointed times comes, you just gonna feel sorry for yourselves. Learn lesson from Ali Banat. When his death was nigh, he realized he had been using natural oxygen for free all his 36 years on earth. But humans (doctors) charged him for oxygen to stay alive and only then he realized he had taken God for granted for far too long. His wealth could not avail him from death. May Allah have mercy on his soul. So continue ranting. If Allah so loves you, He may create situation for you to reflect and return to Him(belief) before you return to Him.

You are just making loud noise. If you won't engage in argument, stop replying. Or are you being forced to reply?

You are too full of ignorance, and it's not even an insult. I will also not go further to responding to you since you have already established that your God is the God of the dead not of the living. The dead might even see Allah and still say seen, next. I will not even respond to the silly oxygen narrative, the stupid meme that has been going round the internet.

You people are the ones deceiving yourselves. When you bring silly points and the points are being checked you will start appealing to ignorance. Go and find something else to do. Goodbye.

Empiree:
Even a great Judeo/christian anti-islam california based radio talk-host personality, Michael Savage ones said "it makes sense that we dont see God. If he shows Himself and the moment disbelievers see Him, the next thing they say is, 'seen, next'".

If that's true, then I guess it's safe to say that God has not shown himself because he is scared or better wary of showing himself because living things won't give him regards?

Empiree:
Defend myself against you?. Hell, no. I m never gonna be defensive. See highlighted?. Thats exactly what it means by zulm (injustice to oneself) and denial of Allah's favor on you.Everything else you said is irrelevant bcus that's your level of irrational faculty. I need not waste my time on that

Why would Allah favor an unbeliever and let a believer die, or why would Allah favor some unbelievers and not others? Unbelievers die everyday. If I die tomorrow now, your narrative will change.

jesusjnr:
That's the most greatest complement someone has ever paid to me on this forum, with respect to the source.

Lol, baloney. This does not make any sense. No wonder you have a spiritual fantasy as a father. You need medical attention. Goodbye madman.

jesusjnr:
No wonder!

It's another case of a Satan zombie trying to lecture a God zombie who is a googolplex times better than him.

Why lecture me on your ignorance and not your knowledge?

Maybe you should restrict your conversations concerning your own father, and master and god, Satan, then perhaps you would begin to talk more sensibly and knowledgeably.

#publicadvertisementofgnoranceandfoolishness

Lol, you're the most stupid thing I've ever come across on this forum

Empiree:
I am not disappointed at all by your responses. Why are you in hurry?. Why don't you wait until you enter your grave, then you will see what's up. I'm not here to argue. I already knew that no matter evidences shown to you they fall in your deaf ears. Do you think you woke up this morning all by your might?. Will you not think?. If He so much wised to terminate your lives He could easily do it while your are asleep. But He returned your souls perchance you may think

The problem I have with you people and your gods is this enter your grave statement. Is your God the God of the dead or the God of the graveyard? Why must it be only when we die that we will see him? Isn't Allah the one who created reality? Why is he so scared of reality? Why must we die before we see him/her/it/them. If we are evidence of this Allah as you opined earlier, why is this Allah not a reality like us? Nobody is arguing with you, we're done arguing these things, you just have to defend that which you believe, or won't you? You have not shown a single evidence, you're only making claims and cannot defend the questions that arose as a result of your claims. You don't know what evidence is? I don't think I woke up this morning by my might, I know I did. Your Allah did not wake me up. If the job of Allah is to be waking people up, then he is wicked for not waking other people up this morning. You don't know what you paint your God as when you attribute these silly things to him. A child with a hole in his heart died few days ago, why would Allah wake up an old man and let a child who just started life die? Besides can't this your Allah preserve them both. You seem to be oblivious of how and why people die, that's why you think your fantasy character is responsible for death.

Johilo:
according to the holy bible, God is a spirit and dos who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth..... God is a supernatural being and he came from nowhere..

And where is nowhere? And when did God come from nowhere, how long ago?

jesusjnr:
Let me just give a crash lecture.

Whenever you want to accuse someone with respect to behaving or not behaving like another, make sure you know the other person very well, so that you don't end up accusing someone falsely.

If you knew Jesus, you would know that virtually everything I said there was drawn from His own Teachings.

So maybe you should go and do your research on Him first, then you can come back to either take back your accusation or consolidate on it.

First of all, Jesus is not a thing. He's a made up fictional character. And most of the time, the fictional character did not confront people as you're doing, he walked away from confrontation. You are not in any bit christlike. You're just a painted Nairaland Christian champion. So shut the fvck up and rest your fingers.

tintingz:
That dude is just delving into fallacies.

Imagine the cognitive bias he displayed.

So because he wake up alive therefore Allah exist, how he came to that conclusion still amaze me, what a wishful desire thinking. He just feel like adding his own imaginary master to his ignorance.

What about atheists that wake up alive without believing in God, does that also mean God doesn't exist?

Reasoning is far from this people.

Lol, I wish I can laugh out loud. As you can see, he said Allah is favoring us despite that we disbelieve in him, and he chose to favor us over thousands of Muslims who die everyday. Those who believe in Allah, Allah has abandoned them and chose us. These people don't know how silly they look when they try to justify the existence of Allah by using favor or grace or by saying humans are the evidence. It's a position of stupidity and it doesn't surprise me anymore. What would you expect from a simple person? The proof of Allah is for Allah himself to show up, else it's just a claim by indoctrinated people.

Empiree:
Kufr(disbelief), is not all about worship deities other than God. Kufr also means denying Allah's Favors on you. You wake up everyday and go to your various businesses and other activities while there are many out there who slept last night like you but they did not wake up in the morning. Instead they wake up in their graves. A lot more people also slept last night and woke up this morning but they can not move, they can not speak. They are numb from waist down with or without any medical explanation, yet they are breathing and or talking or not talking. This alone is enough for you to appreciate Power of Supreme Being who created you from nothing.

But instead you make kufr to Him by denying His favors on you. You may say "but i ate last night and i have energy or appetite to be up today. I achieved this and that using my brain bla bla bla". You forget that He gave you food and brain you use. If He didnt give you brain you can not use it. Evidences of God existence abound in you not tafsir. With all been said, which of the favours of your Lord will you deny?

Lol, so much stupidity in this single post. Besides the fact that it is full of red herring.

If we waking up and bla bla bla is the evidence that Allah exists according to your reasoning, then other people not waking up is also the evidence that Allah does not exist.

That we wake up is not evidence of any deity, Allah included. You really need to think deeply and desist from fallacy. Allah should do himself a favor and stop hiding. He has been dumb since the 7th century. He should do himself a favor and talk.

jesusjnr:
Lol! Deliberate silence indeed.

You sowed trouble, and you were expecting to harvest peace and tranquility.

You have not even started to receive the harvest of the trouble you sowed, yet you are already complaining.

You know except a seed is sown, it remains alone, but when it's sown it multiplies into a bountiful harvest.

So don't expect to reap just the trouble you've down, but press down shaking together and running over shall men give into your blossom.

Deliberate silence indeed as though you had any choice!

So when next you think of sowing trouble, you should make sure that you have already prepared enough barns to store the bountiful harvest of the trouble you're sowing.

Nonspiritualsense!

Would Jesus have said up to half of all the balderdash you have said to people here on this thread? How exactly are you a Christian?

Empiree:
usermane,

and your argument with these two kufar resembles average mainstream argument that you have rebuked time and again. Anyways, i commend your input but know that these kufar have mission, especially this kafir Akin. The way he sounds suggests exactly what Quran says that they will not be pleased with you. Q2:120. The only time he feels comfortable behind his pc is when you can't provide proofs he needed.

So i am just wondering you now believe there is punishment for evildoers unlike few years ago you said once someone dies, nothing is going on in the grave or afterlife if i am correct?. But here you put up mainstream argument with these fake atheists seeking attention. You might need to retract your steps before you condemn orthodox muslims as you call us

Kufar ko, Kepler ni.

tintingz:
They didn't see how they are shooting themselves in the foot.

They don't even understand their weak argument.

- If by accident I mistakenly pour a paint on the floor and turns out to be a beautiful art(or no beautiful art) does that depict intelligence, years later some group tries to replicate what i did with years of investigations and experiments using intelligence does that mean there is an intelligence behind the painting?

- If a painting was found on the floor somewhere and some group did series of investigations trying to replicate how the mysterious painting appear there, does that suddenly mean there's an intelligence behind it?

Dunes in the desert appear beautiful, there's no evidence someone one did it, it's just nature, we don't necessarily need to appeal to fallacies.

Simple logic it's a problem to them.

Lol, I tire o. Logic is actually golden. And theists are immune to it.

Perhaps they expected scientists to randomly investigate or replicate abiogenesis instead of intelligently replicate it. As much as what this randomness yielded was complex, beautiful and good, it also yielded simple, dangerous, ugly and evil things.

Or why would an intelligent designer even create microbes at all?

Hermes019:
Ok,so how did u determine what God is exactly,I mean his features and the rest ?

And if I may ask,are natural disasters also part of this wonderment ?

Wait for it bro, he is going to instead blame man (the wonderment) for the natural disasters. Just wait for it , so it will not be as if I put the words in his mouth.

usermane:
It is difficult to do that. I used to think I could before but I'm not so sure any more.

Okay, good.

So you can't anymore because you can't provide a real proof I suppose.

Goodlyhrt:
I doubt you are an atheists because they are way smarter than this. Call it pantheist or whatever. You can't take the fact that we are wonderment of nature. I subscribe to love and happiness in the advent of the fact that we found ourselves in this conscious state without any explanations or prerequisite towards the happenstance of our birth. We could argue all day.


I posit that there is this fine tuned existence as we know it that we "subconsciously" are part of, as its the case of the less enlightened.


I'm not a God believer as In religiously but rather a part of this God.

Please let us stay on the topic or argument, don't start the ad hominem fallacy. You can doubt all you want, just attack the argument and not the man. I'll like to believe that you're smarter than me

We are not wonderment of nature just because you said it. Explain how we are wonderment. Define wonderment also.

IamPlato:
Bro for Every Proton There Is An Anti Proton... Anti matter Is In Matter

Lol

Like I said, there's too much ignorance here. Antimatter is not in matter, antimatter is not matter.

Anti matter and matter are two separate things.

IamPlato:
Listen Bro, just As We Can Not Comprehend God, we Can Not Comprehend Time, Reality, Space, Soul Energy, Matter, The Limit Of The Human Mind. There Are A Lot We Can Not Fully understand. TIME AND EXISTENCE are Indefinite

No, you should listen.

Perhaps you and others who think like you are the ones thinking time is a thing, a thing that cannot be comprehended.

Time is just an intellectual structure created to measure events and objects. Time is neither an event nor a thing, and thus is not itself measurable. Time is not Existence.

We cannot comprehend God because it doesn't exist. GOD IS JUST A FIGMENT OF THE IMAGINATION OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE IT. It is a factor of fear and ignorance.

usermane:
I really don't know any at this point, to be true. I can't defend everything in the Qur'an. No Muslim can.

Okay, that's satisfactory. And that could as well be the only way to see it.

But can you defend the God in the quran?

IamPlato:
Leave Anti Matter out Of This... 60% of Matter Is Not Visible To Us and That Is Not Just Bactaria or Little Elements...

I brought antimatter because you said everything is matter. That is just one of your howlers.

100% invisible bacteria and microbes are part of your 60% unseen matter(that you have still not shown to be true). Does it mean that God exists because we can't see things with our eyes?

IamPlato:
Bro You Have A Problem With Understanding An Answer... Existence Is Time! You Dont Need A Clock To Count

Existence is not time anywhere. If we eliminate time, do we eliminate existence?
Can time be eliminated or not?

If time is existence then what was before time, or has time always existed?

You are the one who really has a problem here, just think about all these your beliefs for a second.