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Bolaji21:
Sometimes I keep wondering too, why can't the Fed govt just hang Evans. Everyone knows he's a kidnapper, ritual killer etc, but he's still breathing somewhere.
But then, those of us that understand administration will understand why he can't be hanged immediately. He has to be convicted and sentenced to death by the judge, then his judgement is later executed. Rev Kong has been sentenced to death for years now and he's still alive (not sure). The fed govt can decide to hang Evans immediately, and some of us will applaud them. But some of will know theyve broken the law set by them which is injustice.

You'll say well that's Nigeria, does it have to work like that for God? God before creating, made certain decisions. For example, in Psalms 115:16, scripture says "The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men". The implication of this decision of God is that he'll need the cooperation of a man to do something on earth.

In the same vein, God has set some rules that guides creation and he will be unjust to break the rules he set. For example, he promised Noah that as long as the earth remained, seed time and harvest will not cease. He will be unjust not to fulfill that promise for any reason as long as this earth remains.

There's something we call the spirit realm. I want to assume you agree that there are spirits. God is spirit. Man is spirit, soul and body. Just as there are laws set in motion by the creator that governs the physical world, there are laws set in motion by God the creator that governs the spirit realm. Whoever obeys the law gets the result, and God will be unjust to break the law he sets.

Let me mention that God is not the only who witnessed Satan's rebellion and he's not the only spirit that is. Only a tyrant will keep breaking the laws set by him just because it pleases him to do so. God is not a tyrant. When a pagan King sacrificed his child during battle, the balance tilted in his direction and the Israelite weren't winning anymore. Because he follows a laid down rule of the spirit realm, he needed to get result even though it's not God's perfect will.

I went through all this route to make a point, which is: God had decided the time and how he'll permanently punish Satan for his rebellion. His present fallen state is as a result of his rebellion. But God had also decided when he'll punish Satan forever, and how he'll do it. One of the rules of the spirit is that spirit don't die once created. So, for God to kill Satan is breaking the rule he created. Death was made a possibility for physical creatures, not spirits.


Based on my earlier explanation, there are certain things God has decided that Cannot, for example
1. Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
2. Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
God CAN do everything, but he WON'T do everything

Now, if God had decided that spirits don't die and he had decided and told us when and how he'll punish Satan, wouldn't it be a lie if he does otherwise just to please himself or us?
I hope these few points are enough to convince you.

You tried but your logic came back crashing on you. Your explanations however raised many more questions which I am going to ask below.


Before I ask my question, I want to raise salient points that foiled your explanation.

- If truly you believe God is a spirit, then you cannot explain spiritual affairs with physical affairs.
- For the sake of discussion, let's now assume to explain spiritual affairs with physical affairs. Evans and Rev King erred and they are both in Jail. Is Satan in jail? I hope you can see where your logic is cancelling itself.

Now to my questions, please ensure you comprehend these questions before attempting them.

1) Before God created Lucifer, did he know or not that Lucifer would rebel?
2) If he knew, why didn't he change the creation to one that will not rebel, like Gabriel or nothing?
3) If he created angels with free will, meaning they can do what they want, even rebel. Do you agree that he played a part in the rebellion?
4) If he didn't know Lucifer would rebel, that means he does not know everything(not omniscient). Do you agree?
5) If he also knew that Lucifer would rebel and still went ahead to create him, what do you think?
6) When Lucifer rebelled, what's the big deal in throwing him into a dungeon and leaving the fucking_ world out of their matter?
7) Why do we have to suffer what we know nothing about, is that fair to you?
You said God is just, do you remember when he decided to kill the firstborns in Egypt, firstborns must have included old men and children and newly born infants, but he struck them all at night and killed them, Is that justice? Again, did you say God is just?
9) If this God follows rule of law, whether set by him or by men, then he is not all-powerful(not omnipotent) because the law cannot hold down powerful men. What do you think?
10) The Bible made us understand that we cannot question God, which basically means he is above the law, whether set by him or us. That he is the Law and he is not subject to it. Is this a lie?
11) If God has set the law and how things work according to his will, then why do pray for him to change some things?
12) If God can kill a witch just because you prayed before the time of the witch comes as being set by God. Do you think he is still following the law?
13) If God cannot be questioned by us then we cannot assume that he is just too because we cannot also blame, why did you assume he is just?
14) If God can do everything but will not do everything, do you agree he is malevolent?
15) Can God be a slave to his own will again?
16) If God cannot lie, how does that help the world?
17) A God that cannot lie, is that a God that can do everything?

I have many more questions, more will follow when these ones are answered

JMAN05:
You see, you think I was insulting you. The thing is that my words were so simple to understand, but you didn't even understand it and you keep harping on empty point unrelated to the logic. That shows you have a gap in ur brain. You just don't think up. Wonder how I can reason with you further. That was the truth not an insult seriously.

You are logical yet you have a belief. Seriously?

If you spend a quarter of the time I spend in thinking and reasoning, your life will be much better. That's what the truth is.

Farewell.

OkaiCorne:
DNA test can be done on John the Baptist's blood...but not on Jesus' blood?

Is this what the Science Community is saying?

By the way,

1) If Jesus did not die...maybe he ascended.
2) Wetin concern me with shroud of Turin...e fit be scam na

There's no need to answer this if you feel I'm imposing my belief on you though.
Cheers

The scientific community is saying they found someone traced back to John the Baptist because he was killed and buried. They found his bones.

Jesus either died secretly, disappeared or he never existed. His relics are not and as it is can't be found. There are so many twists about the "Saviour."

He might have ascended, but that's not just the twist to the story, other possibilities exist.

I won't be surprised if he ascended and descended in another location, there were rumours that he visited India and spent 4 years there. He could have learnt LEVITATION, a common practice in Buddhism.

Seems to me like you have made a good choice. It's all bullshit.

OkaiCorne:
Do you have Scientific evidence to counter this?

That is all I ask for. I do not want any bias before arriving at a conclusion.

The contents of the videos are anti-scientific in all ramifications, There are tons of scientific explanations against it.

The scientific community has not seen the DNA of Jesus to test for its efficacy. And someone claimed a more than 2000 years old blood still remains there for him to test? After which he cried. Lol

For Jesus to be a man at all, God must have found a way to give him 46 Chromosomes, except if he is a magician which is another fiction.

If Jesus had blood at all, then the blood cells must have had complete 46 chromosomes in their nuclea as blood will not form without a complete set of DNA.

The closer they have gotten is the DNA of John the Baptist from relics., who was said to be Jesus's cousin.

The claim was that Jesus did not die, and if he died nobody knows where he was buried.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/features/the-scientists-who-are-trying-to-find-jesuss-dna-a7681651.html
http://theconversation.com/can-we-ever-find-jesuss-dna-i-met-the-scientists-who-are-trying-to-find-out-72296

It would really be unwise to heed to the crocodile tears of propagandist YouTubers who are really jobless and taking this useless route of trying to work Jesus back into our emotions.

https://www.livescience.com/52567-shroud-of-turin-dna.html

OkaiCorne:
One of the videos involved an atheist geneticist.
Or is the atheist also part of the scam?

Why do you believe the story? Is it because you're a theist?

It's ridiculous to me, an atheist saying God exists is just like a theist saying God doesn't exist.

xharles15:
Carry out thorough research before spewing out half-baked opinions. Medicine is an art and a science. Asides diagnosing and treating diseases, doctors are perfectly capable of carrying out credible scientific research in all of your mentioned fields and even more. Unless you are one, do not make assumptions on their behalf.

I think you are the one who is spewing half baked opinions here.

Have you ever carried out a scientific research?

Can you tell us which level in medical school they teach medical students biostatistics?

Can you tell me if medical students studied paramedical courses deeply or they were just introduced.?

I take it you don't know what you're saying, am I right?

OkaiCorne:
Hi Akin1212, I stumbled on these audio and video...

Lemme know what you think;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCLGbhuLtKE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3NvRYUot30


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT3bw0ZdnLM

Scientific Evidence or Scam?

Of course, a big scam. The world is not yet free of Propaganda.


These are Christians trying to prove that Jesus existed, aren't they?

Let atheists who don't want to subscribe to faith come up with verifications, not a propagandist who wants to cry. Did you Notice the narrator in the first video cried? What for?

asuustrike2009:
Don't nobody is forcing you not to give but have it at the back of your mind that you have being told. There's no excuse whatsoever when you face Yahweh for questioning

When I'm dead, right? Who gives a Bleep?

mecussey:
[s]Would u prefer I write chinese...? U keep lamenting on English spelling as if na ur papa languge in an online science chat. Now, write your mother tongue let me see how good you are.

You say i keep spelling tought tought now two of us made the mistake and u still didnt write it well. I repeat grow up and focus, if English could not produce ordinary pencil or tooth pick for your country, scrap it. It is better we speak and write chinese instead. Back to the topic, reason everything I told you, open your mind and see the wonders of God almighty though, you need wisdom to understand the scientific part.[/s]

And you say you're a natural scientist?

Don't you know that a natural scientist must be correct at all times? Lol Idiot.

Maybe you should type in Chinese since it is your own Father's language. The whole of Nairaland is shocked right now. This is the last post I will respond to, I cannot be hobnobbing with an imbecile_ in an online forum.

I cannot make the same mistake with you, maybe you should read the post again and comprehend it.

I am not talking about God with an ignoramus, it will never happen. If you argue with a fool, then you are a fool too. Good day, the biggest ignoramus on Nairaland.

mecussey:
lol, you are so pained and bitter and I don't know whats disturbing you. Try grow up. What you do in school is study science. A natural scienctists is born with it. 90% of inventors did not attend any school . Grow up man and be open to ideas. You need extraordinary intelligence to understand more than what you are been tought in school.

Yes, it is paining me that somebody as ignorant as you is claiming to know science. Is that how useless science is now?

You keep spelling taught as tought. Wait, let me ask you, are you one of the natural scientists and inventors?

. Let me advise you, just stop deceiving yourself, it's dangerous.

You have extraordinary intelligence and you don't understand basic science

Please tell me where you see 90% of inventors that didn't attend schools.

I am really sorry for you ooo

savagefinder:
we are supposed to tithe but not in the twisted way our Pastors have presented it.
We are supposed to tithe one every month by bringing our food to God's house to eat our tithe and share with our brethren..

The once in 3 years we are supposed to bring a tithe of 3 years and give to the poor, Pastors and less privileged.. Our Pastors just went to manufacture one to fill their pockets..

By the way, my words are backed by the Bible

Deuteronomy 14 vs 22-29

Is it by choice or it's compulsory.

Are you a THIEF if you don't tithe?

mecussey:
It takes intelligence to understand better than what u are been tought in school. When you reach that level, you will understand.

Shut up your mouth there. You have been screaming school up and down as if you have even been to the four walls of a university. You think we are talking about secondary school science here?

With the nonsense science you know, I doubt if you can pass Jamb at all.

Or you know better than Isaac Newton that said at equilibrium, the magnitude of forces is zero when he postulated Kepler's planetary motion?

Go to university, you hear? I am not on your level when it comes to science. And if you need tutorials, come let me fix you up.

mecussey:
I know your type and promised i wont argue much...u had nothing to say and digressed to Eng. Suprised u didnt see the wrong sentences...did u check the noun and pronoun?? Adjectives nko...am happy you got the msg anyway, pls apply common sense to it, it will help u.

I did not get any message at all, all you typed there were jargons and they don't have a stand when it comes to real universal science.

You have only explained the science only you understand in your head and not the one Great scientists used to win Nobel Prizes.

I am sure you just finished secondary school and you don't know that when forces are at equilibrium, their magnitude is always zero.

I cannot be seen arguing science with you because you are an ignoramus, you don't know science. Goodluck with your studies.

JMAN05:
You got to grow up. No wonder you can't be in true xtenity. Got some gaps in ur brain. Seriously.

Lol, says someone who believes in unverifiable truths.

I think with my gaps, I am better than you by far. You have not been able to think at all given that you are a Christian.

asuustrike2009:
The Bible made it clear on tithing. Don't give your tithe and watch how the accuser of the brethren will strike.

I decide what I do with my money, and the accuser of the brethren cannot do shit_

What is the accuser of the brethren sef? Satan?

MasterRahl:
You're a real clown bro @ bolded

Lol, can't help it, sir.

mecussey:
well I know your type and I promise I wont argue much.

You were told in school that nothing works at equilibrum[/b], thats correct. However, if you are a natural scientists, you should be able to think [b]deap and observe.

The planet earth you are seeing will not be here if the centripedal force from the sun is not equal to the cetrifugal force of rotation. God created the centrifugual force pulling it away from the sun to equal the centripedal force drawing it to the sun in order to bring it to equilibrum and thats why the earth is still here for life.
God created life and created death to balance each other for the existence of life. More life no death will be disaster and more death, life will go into extinction. Him the lord did it for the sake of beings.

The atom the smallest man is balanced by electrons against the neuclus. It remain nutral because, the have equal and opposite charges/forces. A little excitment on the electrons will jump practically distroy the atom. God made sure they are in equilibrum for the existence of life.

The heavens and hell are there to balance the spiritual home. Only heaven will not make sense to human beings and only hell will not change anything either. God created both the good and evil, heaven and hell, negative and positive, front and back, man and woman, light and darkness. Him the lord did all that and they are all equal and opposite to each other. The earth is practically running on equilibrum.

I seriously should not be seen discussing science with an ignoramus like you. Goodbye.

And please, it is spelt Centripetal and not Centripedal, Equilibrium and not equilibrum, neutral and not nutral, Centrifugal and not Centrifugual.

I tried to bolden some of your errors and I cancelled some. Go and read your O'level basic science well, or better still just change to arts. You can never become a scientist with the jargons you wrote up there.

asuustrike2009:
The Bible is standard for Christians.it's what keeps the faith strong that's why it's being referenced to.

So the Bible which is a standard and a reference for Christians stipulates that you are a thief when YOU decide not to give YOUR HARD EARNED money TO THE CHURCH?

asuustrike2009:
A true Christian will understand better what I just wrote.
A thief is a thief. The Bible made it clear already

The Bible does not and cannot define a thief. The dictionary does.

Whatever is in the Bible cannot be verified because these people are not stealing from anybody.

Instead, it is their money they are bringing forward.

mecussey:
You need extraordinary intelligence to understand better than what you are been thought in school.

You better learn science and stop abusing it.

asuustrike2009:
The Bible is clear on that. Mal 3:8 says it all. Will a man rob me? A robber is a thief based on that verse in the Bible. Now how will non tither make hell is found in 1 cor 6:9-10. A pastor that steals God's money will never make heaven but hell and his judgement will be stricter than every other persons( James 3:1). The Bible is clear on it. If they don't repent they wouldn't inherit heaven.

Oga, a nontither is not a thief. Whether the bible supports cheating the poor or not.
You defined it yourself thief must rob, then how are they robbing the God or the church? Are they burgling the church by not paying tithe?

A pastor who steals God's tithers money while God watches on as he buys private jets and luxurious cars, is that the one that will burn in hell when he had already enjoyed the world and his flesh that can feel pains would have rotten?

Abeg make tithers wake up before it's too late, there's no heaven, neither is there a place called hell.

mecussey:
Yes the lord do all things in order to balance equilebrum. If you are a science student, you will know it is the only way life will work. However, someone has to take the blame for the good and the bad. An MD of a company will take a bad decision and blame his manager for not advising him in time. Here the devil takes the blame for all the bad things. Instead of the devil to take the blame, he pushes the blame to me and you. Thats why you see someone pick a gun and shoot another. The bible now warns, do not allow yourself to be used, always be prayerful.

The bolded above is a big lie and an abuse of science. It is either you don't understand science or you are still a kid studying basic phy chem bio.

- Nothing works at equilibrium in science. Equilibrium is a standstill. In fact, a system at equilibrium has zero free energy. Delta G.
- In life sciences, a dead person is said to have reached equilibrium.
This world is a system, a closed system. If it is in equilibrium, you cannot exist. Stop propagating false science to prove a God that is not there.

thundafire:
A fool remains a Fool,okay save dey grammar into ur throat , create ur humans for them to worship u and make sure u don't believe in Him wen in danger just save yourself superman

A fool calls others fools too, especially those who are wiser than him.

I have been in so many dangers and I have escaped them with my intuitions and logic. It's not even as if God answers people in danger.

Would I call a God who is not there to answer? Go and ask the victims of Ikeja Bomb blast, 9/11 bombing in US, Tsunami in Japan, Hurricanes in California and earthquake in Haiti if God answered them when they called.

walls01:
please explain how God kill people

1.) Do you remember one certain time when God decided to kill the firstborns in Egypt?

The firstborns included many old men above the age of 80yrs, many young children that were just born, and many other people who were all innocent of the captivity of Israelites. God literally killed a lot of innocents old aged and infants at that time. Is that not killing?

2.) Do you also remember the time of Noah? Does it occur to you that there must have been children and newborns at that time?

3.) Do you also remember Sodom and Gomorrah? Does it occur to you that people were destroyed?


Well, since it's all fictional. Let's just assume it didn't happen at all.

asuustrike2009:
You will go to hell if you choose to disobey God's word concerning tithing. That many pastors are enriching themselves isn't an excuse not to pay your tithe.God doesn't condone thieves as they will not make heaven. If you don't pay tithe as a Christian you're a thief and if you don't repent,you're heading to hell. As for the pastors if they don't pay theirs and refrain from stealing God's money,they are going to hell.

But Jesus said the only thing that decides going to hell or not is believing in him and not paying of tithes.

If God doesn't condone the pastors stealing the money and does not even stop the wasting of the money of tithers, then I'm sorry, he doesn't know what he is doing.

If you are Christian and you don't pay tithe, what are you stealing? The money you worked for? What kind of mentality is this? Do you need to be taught the definition of a thief?

How is the money God's money? Are you saying the money we printed here is from heaven? You have to wake up oo.

walls01:
your ignorance of things of God and of life has no limit. the evil the bible means is of course not as you understand. when a man is wicked and do things that bring bad things to the world he create evil for that person. can you in any verse of the bible where God created evil for a good person?

there are reason for everything. even man created guns for a reason. look brother the evil God create is for people who choose evil don't get it twisted

If God created evil for people who will choose evil so that they can have evil to choose, then God wants them to choose evil.

I am not getting it twisted, we are still saying the same thing.

asuustrike2009:
Tithing wasn't woo my dear. Read that passage very well.
The Pharisees observed the ceremonial precepts of the law with all possible exactness, while they utterly neglected the eternal, immutable, indispensable rules of righteousness. Judgment — That is, justice; mercy — Charity, or compassion toward the poor.
So Jesus was saying you don't do one and neglect the other. Our Lord did not object to their paying tithe

Does paying the tithe adjudge you righteous? What are you really defending?

Will you go to hell if you stop enriching your wealthy pastors?

thundafire:
God maketh all things 2 His pleasure and respect no man but man owe Him a duty to fear and worship Him. Jeremiah 38 Iniquity was found in him (satan) and he is dey father of all lies and through him sin crept into the world

God maketh all things including evil, ba? And we cannot ask him why, ba? And that same God wants us to fear and worship him, ba?

It seems you just described one TYRANT I used to know.

RealLordZeus:
I can't really agree its logical, The question still remains, where is Satan, was he casted to earth? Does he walk among us physically or in a spiritual realm? Or is he hibernating somewhere in heaven?

The devil according to the Bible is everywhere, heaven and earth. In the book of Job 1 vs 6, the Devil attended the Townsquare meeting that was held in heaven. Somewhere in the new testament, we were told that the Devil roams about like a lion looking for whom(humans) to devour and that he is the ruler of the world. Abi no be so?

Gombs:
Atheist.


Those who believed all creation are by chance....or some big bang and that we evolved from stupid to intelligent.

As a matter of fact, we didn't all evolve. Christians and Muslims and people like them are still stupid.