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DoctorAlien:
It was once thought that the gospel of John was no older than 150 years after Jesus' death. However, a papyrus discovered in Egypt, acquired by John Ryland Library in England and dated about 135 A.D. or earlier contained portions of John 18. This means that the book thought to be the latest of the NT can now be dated to at least 50 years of John's estimated lifetime, if not sooner.

William F. Albright, one of the World's foremost archaeologists: "We can already say emphatically that is no longer any solid basis for dating any book of the NT after about A.D. 80" Albright, William F., Recent Discoveries in Biblical Lands, New York, New York: Funk and Wagnalis, 1955, p.136.

It's all these historical conflictions and creationist theories that tickles you. The unfortunate thing is that these lines of arguments further reveal how nonsensical the religious ideas are.

When you're confined within the bible, you go silent. And when your gross limitations in biblical exegesis is revealed, you lack the humility to admit it.

I saw where you said the eating of pork, is still forbidden for Christians. Are you a judaist?

plaetton:
Yeah.

He forgets that all of the world's Religions were built on such fanciful, romantic and grandiose speculations and wishful thinking about the origins of life, the purpose of life, death and the after-life( the after-death, to be more correct. )

The grammatical opulence of the OP is leaning towards that of eck or grailmessage.

I look forward to seeing this illusion come to pass....

plaetton:
Sounds romantic. Sounds reasonable.

But, but there is no evidence for your assertions, if I may call them that.

Until such a time that we have evidence, the above are nothing but speculations, just another subset of illusions that you are attempting to create.

It's very important , my wordy friend, to be clear about your own thoughts, speculations, hypothesis, etc, about the UNKNOWNS, and what are evidence based KNOWNS.

I asked the OP the knowledge Base of his 'refined thoughts', he hasn't responded.

luvmijeje:
Hmmmmm.. .. .. .. .. your question is deep. Since this is a religious section let me quote a verse:

Though I may have the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge. And though I may have all faith to remove this mountain but if I don't have love I have nothing.

If you are a Christian who obey all the laws and is spiritual but don't love your neighbors as yourself then you don't have the fear of God.

Thank you.
Now that you said: the fear of god automatically makes a typical Christian to desist from discrimination, i shall happily then tell you, that it's fear of god that created discrimination.

If you fear god:

* you will perceive me, an atheist, as gentile, lost, fool, demonic and an enemy of your god.

* you will never marry me, in case you're a babe. Even if i have all the best qualities you desire in a man, as long as i am an atheist, you'll NEVER marry me.

* you will rather employ a Christian, rather than an atheist, even if atheist is more qualified. You will rather ask holy Spirit to fill up the deficiency of the Christian.

You know what? The Bible is a trappy (a snare) book, for Christians who are honest and intelligent.

luvmijeje:
Humans generally has that tendency to be racist or tribal. We tend to view people who are different from us with less trust. What will make the difference is the fear God.

Will the 'fear of god' make humans desist from discrimination or romance it?

PastorAIO:
You don't know what The True Scotsman fallacy is.





You try to suggest that someone cannot be a christian because their knowledge of the bible is not as good as yours. You neglect the fact that christianity spread by word of mouth, There was first an oral tradition of the teachings of Jesus before it got written down. And furthermore throughout history most christians have been illiterates so there is way they they would have been reading the bible. They too only had what other people told them.
So it is either that only people who read the bible could be christians, in which case illiterates like Peter the apostle can not possibly be christian, OR it is okay to have not read the bible and still be a christian.

I find this to be very useful explanation.

I have observed that part of the difficulties of Christian apologies, is the dominant nature of religious knowledge in their minds, as against broader knowledge base from which atheists speak from.

I sometimes summarize volumes of knowledge in a sentence, but because these apologists are inexistent to these various knowledge base from which i have summarized, they are lost.

Rather for them to humbly ask for clarification, they arrogantly go into infantile behavior or just fizzle out of the discussion.

Godstraight:
okay I get now

noted

hopefulLandlord:
Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

Person B: "But my uncle Angus likes sugar with his porridge."

Person A: "Ah yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."


to use your example

DoctorAilen: No Christian becomes an atheist

Hopefullandlord: but I was a Christian before and presently an atheist

DoctorAilen: No True Christian becomes an atheist so you weren't a Christian to begin with

Just take DoctorAlien for what he sees himself as - omniscient

Godstraight:
in a sense what,you jusr define racism as discrimination based on race and ethnicity and you went to explain how Christians are racist bringing up possible religious bigotry and indifference

In a sense that if you create a subset of racism, that enclosed mere interpersonal perception and relationships, religious beliefs are elemental to heinous discrimination.

DoctorAlien:
The bolded: are you lying or are you exhibiting your normal ignorance?

Most All of these folks claiming they were Christians before they became atheists are simply lying. When you behold the magnitude of ignorance oozing from their arguments, you begin to wonder whether they ever opened a copy of the Bible. Most of them argue based on what they heard other people say about the Bible. Nobody who tastes the goodness of Christ ever turns back from Him.

It's obvious that you're unable to realize how irritatingly overreaching you have become, when you talk in this manner.

Do you by any reason think of yourself as omniscient of sort? Even on the exegesis of the Bible you're flexing muscles on, you're just a mere follower of one, out of countless groups of Christian apologists.

Apostle Paul was confronted with folks who outgrown religious idiocy, so he came up with all the craps about apostasy.

Just like every other body of knowledge, religious knowledge can be dispensed with, when it's found to be useless in every area of existence.

DeepSight:
Use your hands to touch your physical head. Touch it all round - from the back of your head, to your ears, to the top of your head, then to your temples, feel your eyes, nose, lips and chin. Circle the jaws and back to the back of your head.

What have you just touched and groped?

A Visor.
A helmet-like instrument designed to help the being within perceive its outer physical world.
This object will be taken off at death along with the rest of the instrument - the body: and the real being will exist in its real transcendental reality.

This is virtual reality. A simulated game we enter into at birth and be done with at death. Nothing you see in this world is real. It's all a simulation which we will step out of at death.

I certainly find this interesting. And pretty sure it's coming from a knowledge base that's not close to Christian religion.

May i know, from which knowledge base are you speaking from?

Revelation1:
Even Philospher David's son acknowledged the fact that God exist. If you think that God doesnt exist where do you think those men of God are getting their powers from? Could it be satan since? if God doesnt exist then the same thing thing can be said about satan. Only a fool will doubt the existence of God when there is a clear evidence.

Simple task for now is present the evidence here and now.

JideAmuGiaka:
Pls don't be carried away by those pastors they represent themselves.

I am in love with Deeper life and The Lord's chosen pastors.
You can't see them in this type of prophecies.
Only repentance is their massage.

Do you mean those folks that wear reflective jacket around?

Revelation1:
Yes it an illusion since you have found the evidence nor proof to back it up.

I want to assume you have read the definitions of illusion, that i posted here earlier.

Now, if you claim that there exist something you call god, it's you who will first prove its existence as REAL, after this i shall either agree it exist or not, based on your presented evidence.

randomperson:
The idea of hell is so silly, I wonder how I managed to believe it in the first place. The bible says we will get rid of our physical bodies and yet our spirits will be roasted by fire. Do spirits feel pain??
Again, how are mad people judged?? They don't have the consciousness or lucidity to make the decision to "give their lives to Christ". So are they just thrown into fire all the same?

To everyone who has rationally outgrown religious idiocy, one can't but chuckle, when one remembers that, once in the past, one held and propagated religious craps.

Like the valid rational point you raised, the religitards will rationalize it. Even though they always rope themselves into more nonsense, they nonetheless hold on to the delusion.

Revelation1:
Illusion of disbelief of existence of God?

While i await the reply of the Op.
May i ask you, how is lack of belief in god an illusion? If that's your insinuation.

DeepSight:
I have been discussing the idea that we live in a simulated reality for some time: an illusion of sorts.

Although i haven't read your prior writings on this topic.
But on the basis of your assertion above, are you of the opinion that in deed, our perceived reality, is an illusion that's being observed by transcendental consciousness?

.[/sup]
Illusion

Psychology. a perception, as of visual stimuli (optical
illusion) that represents what is perceived in a way
different from the way it is in reality.
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Synonym

aberration, fantasy, chimera. illusion, hallucination,
delusion refer to false perceptions or ideas. An illusion is a false mental image produced by misinterpretation of things that actually exist: A mirage is an illusion produced by reflection of light against the sky. A hallucination is a perception of a thing or quality that has no physical counterpart: Under the influence of LSD, Terry had hallucinations that the living-room floor was rippling. A
delusion is a persistent false belief: A paranoiac has delusions of persecution..[/sup]

Sinkills:
You are so, so wrong. Everything God said has come to pass and will continue to come to pass. He promised to heal and He has made short leg to grow out,!

Can you prove (with any form of evidence) the growing back of the amputated limb, by your god?

There's a NLander that's is interested in this your claim.

The charade is the psychedelic drugs that will keep the religious junkies going.

Not giving them is like compelling them, to take the atheistic option.

The religious folks dread religious rehab centers.

Sinkills:
Human beings are fallible including famed pastors and prophets. But you seriously err by concluding that God does not exist just because some 'prophets' got it wrong. They simply did not hear from Him. "Let all men be liars, yet God remains true" (Romans 3:4).

How did you know that adeboye got it wrong?

'prophet' - are you saying adeboye is not a prophet of God or he's a false one?

How is it wrong to consign your god to inexistent, when everything that have been ascribed, to have been said by it have NOT proved so.

I look forward to an investigation into the appetite of these religious folks, who are hell bent on seeing folks who are not psycho like them burn in hell - could it be that both their gods and them, take a deep delight in consuming roasted human beings?

Godstraight:
as much as u would love your Christian bashing hobby,I need to remind you that racism is generally based on skin color not all these things

Did you notice my first three words - "in a sense", in that post?

Geohafz:
Where u missed it is where u attribute children to Allah. I am happy to let you know Allah is neither begotten nor begot. The 3 Into of the Christians may do. Am not concerned about that.

It's ok, Allah and those who believe in its existence.

Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity.
- Wikipedia

In a sense, didn't Christian religion called its adherents -
* chosen generation?
*peculiar folks?
*spiritual Israelites?


And called those that doesn't subscribe to Jewish god -
*gentiles ?
*wicked and evil?
*lost and fools?
*miserable?
*damned?

In the sense that racism functions where the perception and interaction with fellow humans is concerned, nothing contaminates and messes up humanity like religion.

Godstraight:
maybe in the US ,as someone who lived in the UK let me categorically tell you racism is whole on its whole there are secular Europeans who are racist,neo Nazis and sort of things

There exists religious beliefs, that maliciously conditions folks mind, via indoctrination, to perceive and interact with fellow humans with attitudes that defines racism.


Racism that stems from political, economic and tribal interests, is fueled by the deeper racism created by religious beliefs, which started with religious folks and society from formative age.

The studies only put what naturally characterizes religious groups, into a statistical format.

The Christian god said any human who doesn't accept it as god idea is less human (racism), Jewish god and its children's act of racism is the worst and most horrific.

this Jewish god ordered genocide on folks that rejected it.

The same goes for Allah and its children.

Orunmila and its children.

The end of religion is the end of racism.

Joagbaje:
Why do you think God forbade isreal marry from other nation ? It's because of demonic transfer through idolatry .r]

By this, do you mean that anyone who's not a Christian, is demon possessed?

Like a Christian marrying an atheist, will she be exposing herself to demon possession?

Joagbaje:
Sex is a covenant . It joins two people together .
r]

In an ordinary sense or in a mystical/esoteric sense?

Joagbaje:
1 Corinthians 6:16-18 (KJV Strong's)
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Apart from these biblical references that are just a thoughts formed by unsubstantiated claims, do you have other sources of support?

DoctorAlien:
SCENE ONE

Person 1: I have a GOD. He created all that is seen and unseen. He predated matter, space and time. No one can see Him. He is a Spirit and, thus, invisible. However people who are pure in heart will see Him one day.

DoctorAlien:
You have said it all: my encounter with GOD could be real and genuine.
.

You don't get. How did you come about or "know", that what you interacted with in your "encounter" is named God?

DoctorAlien:
You can't tell. But it will become fallacy on your part to label it alse false/delusion when you really can't tell.

When you come up with the assertion of yours, that i quoted above, without empirical evidence, even a toddler will define you as lower in intelligence compared to him/her.

2dugged:
I would like to point out that this is my personal opinion, I know the bible admonishes us to not be equally yoked with unbelievers,

This shows you're selective on which part of your religious book you subscribe to.

This makes you a skeptic, a very dominant population among religious groups today, especially the Christian religion.

2dugged:
but looking at the pros and cons, it will be more advantageous as a woman to marry an atheist

The relationship between a man and a woman is unique for each couple, whatever is the definition of the relationship.

But the common denominators of average relationships that works are:

*love (void of religious strain)
*respect
*trust

If any couple shares these attitudes mutually, they will make a successful relationship, their religious inclinations notwithstanding.

2dugged:
than to marry from another faith considering that doctrines of religions are anti-women and tend to portray the woman as inferior

There are folks who are adherent of these other faith, who don't take such misogynistic rules seriously.

A suitable spouse can be found in such skeptics.

DoctorAlien:
By the means of my encounter with GOD.

Encounter of this nature i guess?
https://www.nairaland.com/3538407/what-encounter-god

You certainly expected me to take seriously, your singular experience, that can possibly be a symptoms of some psychedelic behavior secondary to organic damage or chemical intercourse with some brain centers?